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I really hope Froyo doesn't turn out to be a disappointment

Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.

The Captivate has plenty of cpu power... it seems that most of the lag we are expeirencing comes with the filesystem Samsung has chosen to use and it's poor I/O performance. I'm not sure if Froyo will help too much - but I would expect that once 2.2 hits the custom ROM scene will really kick off, and hopefull somebody will implement YAFFS or whatever some of the other phones (Nexus 1, etc) are using.
We may see better battery life if the system needs fewer CPU cycles to accomplish the same tasks it's doing now.
Don't forget - we'll also receive the new kernal which should double the available RAM from 256mb in 2.1 to 512mb in 2.2 - though the system seems to currently report there is currently 325mb aviable. In either case, it will be a big increase - though I'm not really having any memory issues at the moment.
I'm trying not to get too excited for it, but it does make some impressive promises.

^ Well, Samsung does have its own customized version of Android. I'd imagine that the one they're rolling out in September will contain an improved filesystem (as I've heard that Samsung is currently aware of the issue) and, in combination with Froyo's own improvements, should do a lot to help Android perform better.
I wasn't aware of the kernel thing. I don't see how is that possible, though. The Captivate has a total of 512MB RAM, so wouldn't it need a part of that in order to operate normally?

The new kernel in 2.2 has HIMEM support and supports more than 256mb, which is what 2.1 is limited to. I'm not sure if Samsung tweaked the kernel to support the 325mb we have now or how that figure is derived, but right now we can't use all the RAM that the Captivate packs.

^ I looked up info on 'HIGHMEM' and I see what you mean now. The updated kernel supports devices with RAM greater than 256MB RAM. I thought you actually meant that the kernel will make all 512MB available for the user.
Alright, that sounds good. I guess the additional support may be why there is supposed to be increased smoothness and animation.

8525Smart said:
Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
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I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less about tethering, hotspot or Flash. I never used them and never will. I just don't need them.
The only thing I care about is the speed improvement. I don't really believe it will have 2-5x improvement boost because, well, every claim is exaggerated. But I am expecting something.
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
So as much as I welcome the birth of 2.2, I am not as optimistic as others.
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.

mwxiao said:
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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Since the test roms that have come out are from Samsung and they already have AT&T crap on them, I believe its safe to assume that Samsung is making the roms for AT&T. So, there should be no extra step for AT&T to load their crap...it should come directly from Samsung.

Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.

This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
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I am sure an update is always good. But if it doesn't meet the high expectations, it will be a disappointment. And I think the expectations are pretty high.

mwxiao said:
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
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Whoa, looks like I was a bit outdated. I actually hadn't realize Motorola's Droid 2 was using Froyo already (I still thought the Nexus One was the only phone that had it ).
Regarding the September release, I actually thought it was taking until September because Samsung is currently modifying all of their Froyo ROMs for each individual smartphone/carrier. After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
glio1337 said:
Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
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That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.

When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.

glio1337 said:
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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Really? I find engadget and gizmodo to be awful at everything but aggregating news. Their opinions are always so uninformed and seem to be governed by whatever the fashionable opinion at the time.

Their product reviews are pretty good, or at the very least talk about the things most people would care about.

8525Smart said:
After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Samsung needs to customize it for its hardware and put on Twisted-Wiz UI. It's slow.
That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
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I don't believe a 0.1 upgrade will be considered as milestone. We will definitely see speed improvement. But it's normal for every update. You always wait for the next update. It's always snappier.
glio1337 said:
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
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Of cause it's gonna be a worthy update. It's always worthy to upgrade to the next version. The question is, is it going to be as dramatic as they claimed? Personally, I don't think so.

cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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Gotta love windows haters...
Any way, I cannot wait for froyo because I want to be able to move apps to the SD, to use flash without having to use Skyfire and using the extra memory should help too.
Plus I am expecting a TON of ROMs when it comes out so slowly but surely they phone would be maximize.

shaolin95 said:
...be able to move apps to the SD...
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Quoted for truth

I am more looking forward to an official lag fix and GPS fix moreso than Froyo.

I just read somewhere that JIT was written for the snapdragon processors and that while it may give us a little performance it wasn't really written for the hummingbird processor in our phones...so the chances of Samsung rewriting it just for us is probably very slim

The claims of 2-5x performance increase do seem hard to believe, but I believe these figures came from actual testing on the Nexus One running 2.2. Of course, I think we all know how reliable benchmarks are...
September is only a few hours away... where is our Froyo!!

2.2 vs. 3.0

Would the community rather have 2.2 by tomorrow, with no indication or promise of future updates, or 3.0 almost as soon as it comes out? I'm curious to see the community opinion.

Good question. I know a lot more about 2.2 right now, and the JIT compiler, developer push notifications and Flash in the browser are pretty good things.

I really don't think we're getting 3.0

Without knowing how it runs on our phone or using it, who would sign up for it? This is a loaded question - wait for some reviews then ask the question.
And when you say "when 3.0 is released" - I assume you mean Mid October even though it is not possible for a port to hit our phone for months?
The only logical answer is to say 2.2 now - 3.0 is an unknown - when will it be available and how will it run on our hardware? What features does it add? etc.
And in the end, everyone would say give me 2.2 now and still complain later when they can't update to 3.0.

k2snowboards88 said:
I really don't think we're getting 3.0
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That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.

derek4484 said:
That is correct. Samsung has only committed to one major update and that is FroYo.
Everyone knows how much Samsung hates giving software updates so you can bet the house that Gingerbread is not coming to Galaxy S. They'll be on to their next big thing by then. They refuse to waste software engineers on putting out updates once they already have your money.
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If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.

From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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Samsung is notorious for not giving software updates. Once they have your money they dont care about you.
Ask anybody else who's had a samsung smartphone. Especially anyone with a Samsung Beam, they just announced yesterday 2.1 is as far as its going and its a pretty new phone. Samsung Moment did get one update from 1.6 to 2.1 but thats as far as its going and that phone is still pretty new, its was only released less than a year ago. Other samsung phones never even got a single update they're still on 1.5/1.6.

brandonb81 said:
If that was honestly the case I'd never buy another Samsung product again. I'm locked into this phone for at least two years, it should last at least 4. This thing had better get 3.0 at least. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, I haven't had too many samsung experiences in general.
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I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.

jdsemler said:
From the little I've read, it sounds like 3.0 is more intended for larger devices.
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Thats not true. The next version is certainly designed for phones. Google was bragging about Gingerbread at their last conference.

The carrier is just as responsible for software updates as the manufacturer. If the carrier has no interest, then Samsung won't build it.

cappysw10 said:
I would have to agree. Not only would I never buy another Samsung product but I'd tell anyone that would listen not to buy one either.
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I agree that they should be legally required to give you updates for however long your contract is. But they dont. Samsung has already stated they are going to give us one major update, and that is from 2.1 to 2.2. They'll give maintenance updates but thats it.

I think we will receive 3.0 - the only logical reason we wouldn't would be if another wave of Galaxy S phones came in that were twice as powerful.
Currently we are boasting a 1GHz processor, 512mb of RAM and a 4" AMOLED screen. Top of the line as smartphones are concerned. Now If a 2GHz, 1GB Ram phone came out then I could see us possibly not getting 3.0.... but I personally think it's the reason why Samsung has been so quiet about our 2.2 questions.
The Original Motorola Droid was on 2.2 before the Droid X! - sometimes pre-existence is better ;D

We have the exact recommended specs for gingerbread. Google released them a few weeks ago. I don't see a point release (2.1 - 2.2) as being a major update. Granted, its a nice bump in terms of upgrades and additions but is not what I would consider major.

I would like to see 2.2 as soon as possible, and then maybe 3.0 if Samsung bothers to get it done (which I would only give a 50% chance of occuring).
It's important to get 2.2 onto these phones so the developers can use it as the base for their modifications and ROMs. I think the chances of getting 2.2 in late october or mid november are pretty good, but I wouldn't expect 3.0 to land until next year (if it happens).
I'm really looking forward to 2.2, but I want the newest version of Swype even more urgently. I can't believe I have this device that says "look at me I have swype," but doesn't even have any way of getting the newest version with the text input button. Heck, I would even pay a few bucks to get the latest version, but there's simply no way at all to get it.

Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.

gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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This. Just make this phone actually work and I'll be happy.

I would be happy as hell with ASOP 2.2, anything that has no touch wiz.
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gtg465x said:
Is seriously doubt we'll get 3.0. I would be happy with a GPS fix and 2.2.
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I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.

elgo said:
I would imagine, though, that with Cyanogenmod having brought Froyo 2.2 to the T-Mobile G1, we will get a version of 3.0 on our Captivates even if it is not from Samsung.
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I guess maybe I'm just a pessimist, but what would make you think that cyanogen would bring 3.0 to the Captivate? They havent even brought 2.2 to it yet?

Rumor has it mid-October for official Froyo for Cap and Vibrant

http://www.talkandroid.com/16111-insider-tip-froyo-coming-to-captivate-and-vibrant-really-soon/

Taken with a grain of salt. AT&T will have to get their input before we see a push. Fingers crossed though.
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Yeah i "hope" this is the case but ever since the whole hype of Froyo on September 25th, which obviously didn't happen. We shall all see though.

Sounds good hope thats the case
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I'm not sure we will want it after Att gets thru with it. Frodo 2.2 is nice & they will butcher it.
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I actually hope it takes a little longer. It seems like the leaked version was just a quickly ported test version from the I9000. I want them to take there time and get rid of as many bugs as possible instead of rushing it out to satisfy all of those who whine.

nybmx said:
I actually hope it takes a little longer. It seems like the leaked version was just a quickly ported test version from the I9000. I want them to take there time and get rid of as many bugs as possible instead of rushing it out to satisfy all of those who whine.
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This. A mid-October release infers that the leaked version is the close to finished version, and there are FAR too many bugs to make it a worthwhile update.

Yeah just looking at the "Captivate Froyo Issues" thread it looks like many issues will need to be addressed, hopefully, it just lives up to the awesome glorifying hype!!

I REALLY HOPE NOT!
The benchmark for the leaked version isn't what we want it to be. I would rather have it refined and beating the Nexus One at everything than a half assed one that won't be updated for months and months.

well froyo is till better then eclair but hey rumor also has it that in 2012 the world is ending so you never know

I'd be fine with a mid october release. I know att is going to butcher it any way. The sooner they release the kernel the sooner we get a real FroYo experience...
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I trust nothing from either Samsung or AT&T at this point. I know it's going to happen, and when it does, then I will be happy. Otherwise, I'm content with the current leaked 2.2 we have.

I think mid-october is certainly possible - I would guess that there are close to nightly software builds; and even though the current release has lots of bugs, it is AT&T centric.
The JI6 release could just be what AT&T got for network and feature validation. We could even have a GPS fix that just hasn't been added in yet. If Froyo is this far along, why bother to come up with GPS fix on 2.1.
The build date on this was 2 weeks old when it was released - so we really have no idea what the current status is. I never saw any stability bugs, just problems in the contacts and email - Samsung customizations. GPS and audio out from the headset jack seemed to be the only hardware related bugs i heard about.
I shall remain cautiously optimistic.

SlimJ87D said:
I REALLY HOPE NOT!
The benchmark for the leaked version isn't what we want it to be. I would rather have it refined and beating the Nexus One at everything than a half assed one that won't be updated for months and months.
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Not ever going to happen. The benchmarks, such as Quadrant and Linpack, are designed to benefit the Snapdragon system. We don't use it.
It would be like designing a PC benchmark tool to take advantage of Intel instruction sets while disregarding AMD instruction sets. Of course Intel will benchmark higher. Doesn't mean it's necessarily faster.

Well guys, this is not as far fetched as everyone thinks.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ntt-docomo-gets-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-brings-devices-japan
Japan is getting the Galaxy S at the end of this month and guess what it ships with... that's right, ANDROID 2.2.
I think we are actually getting a final release of 2.2 very very soon.

Did it ever occur to anyone here that these "leaked" versions could be used as a final sprint prior to the public release? Seriously. Who better to find every last idiotic bug than people like us who are nuts about these things? Makes perfect sense to me...

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Did it ever occur to anyone here that these "leaked" versions could be used as a final sprint prior to the public release? Seriously. Who better to find every last idiotic bug than people like us who are nuts about these things? Makes perfect sense to me...
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Are you implying that maybe it's not quite the leak we think it is and we're all secretly being used as lab rats for corporate gain?

Better hope they take their time with the update. Because once they push 2.2 out, there will NOT be another update from Samsung. That's how they operate.

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Not ever going to happen. The benchmarks, such as Quadrant and Linpack, are designed to benefit the Snapdragon system. We don't use it.
It would be like designing a PC benchmark tool to take advantage of Intel instruction sets while disregarding AMD instruction sets. Of course Intel will benchmark higher. Doesn't mean it's necessarily faster.
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What?!? I dont buy that. Both are ARM v7 chips at the core. One has a **** GPU (the snapdragon) one has a good GPU (samsung). But the CPU portion of each is very very similar. One thing that favors the snapdragon is that it has the full 512MB RAM, Galaxy S is limited to 304MB.

derek4484 said:
Better hope they take their time with the update. Because once they push 2.2 out, there will NOT be another update from Samsung. That's how they operate.
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Truer words have never been spoken.
It was the same case with my Samsung Impression. They released the phone with many bugs in the firmware and never released a fix. Not one. That wasn't very good for AT&T because they kept selling that phone for 2 years. It had one of the longest shelf lifes I've ever seen for AT&T.

The Captivate's "useful life" expectancy....?

Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.

Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.

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Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.

SkitchBeatz said:
It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.

A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.

Miami_Son said:
A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory

boborone said:
yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?

The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.

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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.

so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!

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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!

Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
Sent from my captivate on a rock in the middle of the ocean!

I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.

Dante04SRT said:
That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon

cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.

does the n9860 get slower updates than the 986B or F?

I notice that there is a new update to ATH9 for the exynos B version. Do the snapdragon models get slower updates?

yes

And it seems the n9860 gets them slowest of all!

Wanted to ask same question, is there a way to get faster updates?

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I notice that there is a new update to ATH9 for the exynos B version. Do the snapdragon models get slower updates?
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My HK one is still on ATH1 with August patch... Really slow...

Just got the update. Finally

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Just got the update. Finally
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"Finally"?? It's still September, and you already got the September patch! That's INCREDIBLY FAST. Some of us are old enough to remember what really slow updates were like. *Sheesh*....kids today... :laugh:

jtOttawa said:
"Finally"?? It's still September, and you already got the September patch! That's INCREDIBLY FAST. Some of us are old enough to remember what really slow updates were like. *Sheesh*....kids today... :laugh:
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People seem to not realize that even by Google standards, 90 days is acceptable for patch currency.

It's relative to updates on other versions of the 20 ultra.

ekerbuddyeker said:
It's relative to updates on other versions of the 20 ultra.
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I guess I fail to see the point in caring that much about it.
Like are people really choosing devices based on which might get an update sooner in a thirty day window?

pcriz said:
I guess I fail to see the point in caring that much about it.
Like are people really choosing devices based on which might get an update sooner in a thirty day window?
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Just because you fail to see a point doesn't mean there isn't a point.

ekerbuddyeker said:
Just because you fail to see a point doesn't mean there isn't a point.
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Never said there wasn't a point, I said I failed to see it.
But also having a point doesn't make it useful, but thanks for clarifying my previous question.

of course no. Local market for samsung ( korea) has snapdragon, so it makes no sense to update it slower. Other point is that exynos need MUCH MORE fixes especially on when it just started to sale and it must be done before black friday/ christmas etc..

Poliarinis_eziukas said:
of course no. Local market for samsung ( korea) has snapdragon, so it makes no sense to update it slower. Other point is that exynos need MUCH MORE fixes especially on when it just started to sale and it must be done before black friday/ christmas etc..
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Why does the exynos need more fixes and the Korean model is updated later than snapdragons in the states and exynos model. We got our updates usually a week or two after the US.
Nevermind if you look up the firmware, the 9860 model is still on a September 1 security patch where as the Exynos model is on October already. Korea is also on Sept 1

ATJ1 just dropped.

pcriz said:
Why does the exynos need more fixes and the Korean model is updated later than snapdragons in the states and exynos model. We got our updates usually a week or two after the US.
Nevermind if you look up the firmware, the 9860 model is still on a September 1 security patch where as the Exynos model is on October already. Korea is also on Sept 1
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First of all it may depend on market and users (specific servisas ir apps) so because of different date of "security" updates. But let's be honest no body knows what's comes as an extra for that "security updates". It's obvious that exynos version is fail in this generation, so constant updates called "bug fixing " wouobnt be good for marketing part - samsung still denies that exynos is worse that snapdragon, so they need to fix it asap QUIETLY. And know it works even better, because more frequent fixes some people thinks that it gets updates sooner lets be real snapdragon get most valuable markets, so it makes no sense mess it up with late updates . It just no need to fix it so much.. by the way all testing devices which goes to "tech blogging " is on snapdragon Guess why...

Poliarinis_eziukas said:
First of all it may depend on market and users (specific servisas ir apps) so because of different date of "security" updates. But let's be honest no body knows what's comes as an extra for that "security updates". It's obvious that exynos version is fail in this generation, so constant updates called "bug fixing " wouobnt be good for marketing part - samsung still denies that exynos is worse that snapdragon, so they need to fix it asap QUIETLY. And know it works even better, because more frequent fixes some people thinks that it gets updates sooner lets be real snapdragon get most valuable markets, so it makes no sense mess it up with late updates . It just no need to fix it so much.. by the way all testing devices which goes to "tech blogging " is on snapdragon Guess why...
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So what I think I gather from this is you don't know what you meant by exynos needing more updates to fix it up (both chipsets have gotten basically the same number of updates).
You want to come out so hard against exynos (no idea why, it depends totally on region if you have to deal with it or not) that you forget exynos is always the first to update. The Korean Snapdragon doesn't even update before the exynos.
Can we please stick to what we know and save the fanboy speculation for the comments under a sammobile article. Geez Louise.
And late updates? I guess if samsung listed a time that you should expect an update you could classify it as late. But that is different from when you think you SHOULD get an update. Two generations ago we were getting an update every 90 days. Now people are crying over an update coming at the end of the month.

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So what I think I gather from this is you don't know what you meant by exynos needing more updates to fix it up (both chipsets have gotten basically the same number of updates).
You want to come out so hard against exynos (no idea why, it depends totally on region if you have to deal with it or not) that you invite exynos is always the first to update. The Korean Snapdragon doesn't even update before the exynos.
Can we please stick to what we know and save the fanboy speculation for the comments under a sammobile article. Geez Louise.
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It has nothing to do with being fan boy or so. It's just a facts. I have nothing against exynos, it just fact that is it not as good as snapdragon. And now it just a marketing strategies to "solve it" until all that shopping parade called black friday, 11.11, Christmas etc..

Poliarinis_eziukas said:
It has nothing to do with being fan boy or so. It's just a facts. I have nothing against exynos, it just fact that is it not as good as snapdragon. And now it just a marketing strategies to "solve it" until all that shopping parade called black friday, 11.11, Christmas etc..
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The majority of plain jane cell phone owners aren't on XDA at all. Grab a random person on the street and ask them what security update they are on and see what they say.
You're living in this tech blog vacuum where users slap fight over graphite pads vs copper vapor cooling. While the other 90 something percent of users don't even know what you are on about. And that is a very generous estimation when you look at a given generations phone sells compared to the number of registered XDA users.
It's funny you call exynos being updated earlier a marketing ploy but show me one ad that mentions how fast the monthly updates come (compared to other chipsets).
Average users aren't excited to reboot their phones more than once a month for an update, so more or faster or wherever you are saying is a "marketing strategy" seems a bit off the mark.
Let's be real, the only people the updates make any impact on are the people that already have the phone, and even smaller in that community are those that even care.