First europe then asia then U.S but Europe and asia around the same time. According to twitter...
Wonder what that means for the US?
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according to samsungs uk twitter account there us no release date right now for the us. the link to that is floating around but I am guessing it will be out by christmas
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With something like a firmware upgrade why do these companies bother releasing it in different countries at different times? Why not do just one worldwide release for it?
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With something like a firmware upgrade why do these companies bother releasing it in different countries at different times? Why not do just one worldwide release for it?
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Why not US? Money.
The companies in the United States want money. Plain and simple. Most companies want money, that is true, however the ones here in the US want money more than anything else.
That's why.
How does releasing a firmware in the US later give a company more money? If the firmware has been created funds don't need to be allocated to R&D. I'm in your boat though, it's BS. Can we run UK releases on our our phones?
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I would agree with you 100% there, however...
Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and the worst one of all AT&T have to put their "finishing touches" on them, thus delaying not only the release of the update, but also making sure that funds ARE allocated to their R&D to make those releases possible for their repective services.
In other words, the telecom companies need to mess up the 2.2 release so we all here can go in and fix them.
That's how the Circle of Technology works. ^_^
Why do you say that AT&T is the worst when they were the first to release a Galaxy S device? Just curious.
I would infer that AT&T will be the first U.S. Galaxy S device to get Froyo......of course that could be wishful thinking since I have a Captivate.....
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Why do you say that AT&T is the worst when they were the first to release a Galaxy S device? Just curious.
I would infer that AT&T will be the first U.S. Galaxy S device to get Froyo......of course that could be wishful thinking since I have a Captivate.....
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He's saying that the death star is the worst at branding their phones with crapware. Though I think verizon has done a good job with the galaxy S. My understanding is that they ripped out all google search stuff and replaced it with bing. go figure!
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Why do you say that AT&T is the worst when they were the first to release a Galaxy S device? Just curious.
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where did you come up with that info? T-Mobile had the Vibrant a week before we got the captivate on AT&T.
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Though I think verizon has done a good job with the galaxy S. My understanding is that they ripped out all google search stuff and replaced it with bing. go figure!
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Yes vzw removed google maps and search from the phone. had a customer call today to return the fascinate for just that reason
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Yggdrasil777 said:
I would agree with you 100% there, however...
Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and the worst one of all AT&T have to put their "finishing touches" on them, thus delaying not only the release of the update, but also making sure that funds ARE allocated to their R&D to make those releases possible for their repective services.
In other words, the telecom companies need to mess up the 2.2 release so we all here can go in and fix them.
That's how the Circle of Technology works. ^_^
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Have you taken a look at the Samsung firmware leaks. All of them are fully loaded with bloatware. Samsung is putting everything on themselves. AT&T will probably only test it on their network and then release it.
How do we let AT&T know to not slack on releasing the 2.2 upgrade
I have already wrote to Samsung through their website about releasing the upgrade on time. How do we let AT&T know.
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I have already wrote to Samsung through their website about releasing the upgrade on time. How do we let AT&T know.
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lol...not to rain on your parade, but I dont think it is in our hands.
Can someone link to this tweet? I am curious
It seems like to me that if indeed AT&T is incapable of doing OTA updates (dont know if this is true or not) then it would make sense to package the gps and froyo updates in just one flash and release rather than do it one at a time
Yggdrasil777 said:
Why not US? Money.
The companies in the United States want money. Plain and simple. Most companies want money, that is true, however the ones here in the US want money more than anything else.
That's why.
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If you are so against money (blaming others for wanting it), I'll give you an email address where you can paypal all that you have. Just get rid of it, lead by example....
EVERYONE who is in business is there for the purpose to make a profit. In Europe, Asia or US. However, attributing all the business decisions solely to greed is stupid at best.
Just put the european rom on your phone find it in captivate android dev section its a sticky called how to install I9000
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Yggdrasil777 said:
I would agree with you 100% there, however...
Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and the worst one of all AT&T have to put their "finishing touches" on them, thus delaying not only the release of the update, but also making sure that funds ARE allocated to their R&D to make those releases possible for their repective services.
In other words, the telecom companies need to mess up the 2.2 release so we all here can go in and fix them.
That's how the Circle of Technology works. ^_^
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AT&T isn't the worst... Verizon (The Evil Empire) is. Just look what they did to the Fascinate. Talk about raping a device.
konds said:
I have already wrote to Samsung through their website about releasing the upgrade on time. How do we let AT&T know.
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I have also written to Obama through his twitter account about giving me 1 million dollars. But how do I let the bank know?
mwxiao said:
I have also written to Obama through his twitter account about giving me 1 million dollars. But how do I let the bank know?
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LoL! Well played, Sir.
Pirateghost said:
where did you come up with that info? T-Mobile had the Vibrant a week before we got the captivate on AT&T.
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Not to mention the i9000 was released in Europe far before any of the US SGS phones.
To be honest, I'm content with my phone the way it is. I'd like Froyo (and the speed increases its bound to bring ^_^) but knowing that they will be coming, I've no problem waiting until they are released.
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Hey everyone,
I am one of the device specialists for Cellular South. I don't do any kind of development work, but I will be happy to contribute in any way I can. If anybody has any Cellular South specific questions I'll be glad offer any answers I can. Also, any inside info I get on release dates or anything that may be of interest I'll share that as well.
We are in desperate need of a factory odin flash for the showcase.
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Just when you think you have it idiot proof, they come out with a better idiot.
GStone said:
Hey everyone,
I am one of the device specialists for Cellular South. I don't do any kind of development work, but I will be happy to contribute in any way I can. If anybody has any Cellular South specific questions I'll be glad offer any answers I can. Also, any inside info I get on release dates or anything that may be of interest I'll share that as well.
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so are you here as an Official Rep for Cellular South?
Welcome to XDA, and ditto to what he said above...
You can see my thread where I'm trying to make one (or as close as one as possible) but it would really BE GREAT to have one like every other Carrier has
I will send an email up to see what I can get. Nobody will be in until Monday so I'll keep you posted. I am not here to represent cellular south in anyway and I doubt they would recommend any modifications at all to the showcase. I am just letting you guys know my position and may have access to things that could help advancement and would like to contribute if possible.
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GStone said:
I will send an email up to see what I can get. Nobody will be in until Monday so I'll keep you posted. I am not here to represent cellular south in anyway and I doubt they would recommend any modifications at all to the showcase. I am just letting you guys know my position and may have access to things that could help advancement and would like to contribute if possible.
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sounds good... Well, they may not be willing to just give up the files.. I think the others were leaked...
If you can find out that a factory flash exist or someone that will admit that cell south actually has it, it will be a GREAT starting point
Excellent. I know the guy that would have the answer. But, like you said, it may not be something they have or are willing to share so I'll do some digging and see what I can find.
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GStone said:
Hey everyone,
I am one of the device specialists for Cellular South. I don't do any kind of development work, but I will be happy to contribute in any way I can. If anybody has any Cellular South specific questions I'll be glad offer any answers I can. Also, any inside info I get on release dates or anything that may be of interest I'll share that as well.
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Super Awesome.
I live in Clinton, Ms and a SUPER android fan. I am sure I will have many questions.
1st off. What is the official release date of the 2.2 android for the showcase? and can you get it to me early?
2nd. do you have the ability to activate unlocked CDMA phones , not purchased @ cell south. (thunderbolt looks tasty!!)
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Super Awesome.
I live in Clinton, Ms and a SUPER android fan. I am sure I will have many questions.
1st off. What is the official release date of the 2.2 android for the showcase? and can you get it to me early?
2nd. do you have the ability to activate unlocked CDMA phones , not purchased @ cell south. (thunderbolt looks tasty!!)
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They have not released a date for the 2.2 nor have they shared any other information with employees. From what I understand most of the wait comes from Samsung's end. Unfortunately since we are so small compared to others we tend to be the last carrier the suppliers worry about. We had the same issues with the HTC Hero. Also, with the Hero they went through several versions of 2.1 before they got to one that worked even semi stable and it was released and then a better 2.1 was released a couple months later so if they have a version that they are even testing yet then it honestly probably sucks. 2nd, I do not have the ability to activate unlocked CDMA phones. Cellular South's system uses a method to activate phones that also searches their full inventory. So... If the ESN or MEID hasn't been in Cellular South's inventory at some point in time, the system will reject it and you can't program it. Does it suck? Yes. However, they are supposed to be putting in a new POS system in the next few months. I doubt the conditions change but if for any reason they do I'll let everyone know.
Galaxy S 2 By chance?
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Galaxy S 2 By chance?
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This was copied straight from Cell South's upcoming phones in testing. The only one that is even on the list is the Samsung Gem which is already available.
PHONES IN TESTING
Listed phones must pass testing before shipping to Store locations, dates are subject to change. (Do not promise
dates to customers)
Model MFG Est.
• I100/GEM SAM FEB 2011
phocus said:
Super Awesome.
I live in Clinton, Ms and a SUPER android fan. I am sure I will have many questions.
1st off. What is the official release date of the 2.2 android for the showcase? and can you get it to me early?
2nd. do you have the ability to activate unlocked CDMA phones , not purchased @ cell south. (thunderbolt looks tasty!!)
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I contacted the guy who does our software releases about a 2.2 release date and this was his response:
"Looking like the end of March but we cannot commit to that date yet."
So there you go. And to be honest I wouldn't expect that at the end of March. They always push the date back several times.
GStone said:
I contacted the guy who does our software releases about a 2.2 release date and this was his response:
"Looking like the end of March but we cannot commit to that date yet."
So there you go. And to be honest I wouldn't expect that at the end of March. They always push the date back several times.
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Sounds like us at USCC. I've seen two release dates get pushed already. If I didn't already have it, I'd be sad.
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GStone said:
I contacted the guy who does our software releases about a 2.2 release date and this was his response:
"Looking like the end of March but we cannot commit to that date yet."
So there you go. And to be honest I wouldn't expect that at the end of March. They always push the date back several times.
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Does he need some help?
GStone
You guys getting beat up pretty bad today for this data outage. I call mid morning they had a est. time of 2 hours for it to be back up. It is 3 p.m. still no data; just got off the phone with technical support, they are not giving eta.. This stinks
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GStone
You guys getting beat up pretty bad today for this data outage. I call mid morning they had a est. time of 2 hours for it to be back up. It is 3 p.m. still no data; just got off the phone with technical support, they are not giving eta.. This stinks
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Yea, it's been crazy for sure. This is the last update I got on the situation:
"The re-initiation of data sessions is taking longer than anticipated. Technical is working to get this to speed up."
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GStone
You guys getting beat up pretty bad today for this data outage. I call mid morning they had a est. time of 2 hours for it to be back up. It is 3 p.m. still no data; just got off the phone with technical support, they are not giving eta.. This stinks
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Just received this update:
"Technical is continuing to work to resolve the data connectivity issue. More customers are now connecting but it continues to take longer than anticipated."
New update:
"Significant progress is being made. We are not at 100% but should be shortly if this continues. I’ll update everyone when we feel like we’re totally back."
Definately not 100%.. mine isn't working. I've been running on wifi since it's down..
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Definately not 100%.. mine isn't working. I've been running on wifi since it's down..
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Definitely not. Mine is still down too. But we are seeing some people come back up.
mine just came back up
What's the holdup and what can we do about it?
It's been pointed out that as the owners of this device it's up to us to enforce the GPL.
Does anyone know how to go about applying pressure to HTC?
Anyone a member of EFF.org? I'm getting sick of feeling like HTC's bastard child.
Yeah, WTH.
I feel there's gotta be a reason. They can't just be ignoring us out of laziness... can they? I think I read somewhere that they could take up to 180 days, which seems ridiculous. It's only been 70 or something like that. In Canada anyway... it was released on 4/20.
I guess would could bombard them with phone calls and emails, but I'm sure that won't make much difference.
gunnyman said:
What's the holdup and what can we do about it?
It's been pointed out that as the owners of this device it's up to us to enforce the GPL.
Does anyone know how to go about applying pressure to HTC?
Anyone a member of EFF.org? I'm getting sick of feeling like HTC's bastard child.
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Surely AT&T has something to do with it, and if that's the case, a letter from xda isn't likely to move them.
Also, they aren't yet in breach, yet, right? The phone hasn't been out two months.
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Yeah, WTH.
I feel there's gotta be a reason. They can't just be ignoring us out of laziness... can they? I think I read somewhere that they could take up to 180 days, which seems ridiculous. It's only been 70 or something like that. In Canada anyway... it was released on 4/20.
I guess would could bombard them with phone calls and emails, but I'm sure that won't make much difference.
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their typical canned response is they release within 60-90 days of device release. We're over 60 and approaching 90 for the Rogers phone
Considering AT&T had HTC lock down the bootloader, I'm sure they have also asked them to hold out on releasing source for as long as they possibly can. That is the only explanation I can think of.
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Surely AT&T has something to do with it, and if that's the case, a letter from xda isn't likely to move them.
Also, they aren't yet in breach, yet, right? The phone hasn't been out two months.
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If AT&T was controlling it, then explain why the source for the SGS III is out already.
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Considering AT&T had HTC lock down the bootloader, I'm sure they have also asked them to hold out on releasing source for as long as they possibly can. That is the only explanation I can think of.
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That is my guess as well.
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If AT&T was controlling it, then explain why the source for the SGS III is out already.
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Edit: SGS3 isn't an AT&T exclusive...
AT&T is only one carrier selling the phone and the GPL is international, not just a US thing.
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AT&T is only one carrier selling the phone and the GPL is international, not just a US thing.
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Well, who else has the XL? Rogers, Telus, and Telstra? Their combined market cap is less than 1/10 of AT&T's...
My guess has been they don't want to give Apple any ammo to fight them with. So they're holding out as long as possible.
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Well, who else has the XL? Rogers, Telus, and Telstra? Their combined market cap is less than 1/10 of AT&T's...
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that doesn't matter. AT&T is not in control of enforcement of GPL. They don't own the code in question. AT&t isn't the culprit here I'm sure of it.
Samsung has always been much faster with source code release.
Yeah AT&T is an evil greedy company who doesn't give 2 ****s about their customers, but I'm not blaming them for this.
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that doesn't matter. AT&T is not in control of enforcement of GPL. They don't own the code in question. AT&t isn't the culprit here I'm sure of it.
Samsung has always been much faster with source code release.
Yeah AT&T is an evil greedy company who doesn't give 2 ****s about their customers, but I'm not blaming them for this.
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I do blame them for the BL being locked while Sammy doesn't care. HTC needs ATT more than ATT needs HTC. Samsung I'm not so sure it works that way.
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that doesn't matter. AT&T is not in control of enforcement of GPL. They don't own the code in question. AT&t isn't the culprit here I'm sure of it.
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I do blame them for the BL being locked while Sammy doesn't care. HTC needs ATT more than ATT needs HTC. Samsung I'm not so sure it works that way.
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Well, we're all just speculating here. I'm just saying... AT&T is the only carrier to have them lock the BL ... and they've got the weight to lean on HTC to hold the source as long as possible.
Samsung has leverage HTC does not, as the Galaxy line is in enough demand that they don't need to give in to these kinds of requests.
Okay. I was going to open a new thread about this. But this is easier. Plus no new crazy thread. Subjects would be the same.
I do have a lawyer already on this. You can pm me for stuff if you want it I don't want to get his offices flooded. He wrote a lot of the commerce laws and sales laws the state of California follows today. He's also on the commerce board here in California.
The reason why my lawyer is on this is because of AT&T and their crap between a supervisor/manager and I.
Through a discovery phase;
HTC and AT&T know and are working on the SIM card issue. Yellow screen LCD display (sharps fault). The phone is Gorilla Glass. Not gorilla glass 2. And source will be released 4th of July weekend.
There's little bits of info I know that's proprietary which I can't publically post but is nice to know. Such as a device refresh time with AT&T on the one X**.
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gunnyman said:
that doesn't matter. AT&T is not in control of enforcement of GPL. They don't own the code in question. AT&t isn't the culprit here I'm sure of it.
Samsung has always been much faster with source code release.
Yeah AT&T is an evil greedy company who doesn't give 2 ****s about their customers, but I'm not blaming them for this.
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Source hold up is caused by Samsung and HTC, not AT&T and HTC. It deals with an agreement they have concerning memory/ram components.
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Interesting.
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Okay. I was going to open a new thread about this. But this is easier. Plus no new crazy thread. Subjects would be the same.
I do have a lawyer already on this. You can pm me for stuff if you want it I don't want to get his offices flooded. He wrote a lot of the commerce laws and sales laws the state of California follows today. He's also on the commerce board here in California.
The reason why my lawyer is on this is because of AT&T and their crap between a supervisor/manager and I.
Through a discovery phase;
HTC and AT&T know and are working on the SIM card issue. Yellow screen LCD display (sharps fault). The phone is Gorilla Glass. Not gorilla glass 2. And source will be released 4th of July weekend.
There's little bits of info I know that's proprietary which I can't publically post but is nice to know. Such as a device refresh time with AT&T on the one X**.
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Whenever there is a discussion about source being released someone always says they're talking to a friend who's a lawyer and I always laugh a little inside.
This time seems to be different and I hope so, but when is July 4th weekend? This weekend or the next?
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Whenever there is a discussion about source being released someone always says they're talking to a friend who's a lawyer and I always laugh a little inside.
This time seems to be different and I hope so, but when is July 4th weekend? This weekend or the next?
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Its next Wednesday. But the second is a Monday.
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I got really pissed and sent them this, I believe it is my 7th "comment" to them. I would have made it longer but I ran out of charachters. Does anyone know where I can talk to someone from HTC directly? I need to vent and/or use some choice words.
Anyway, here is the "comment"
I'm sick of HTC trying to dance around this issue. Tell me why this site was created. It certainly is not to give developers and the modding community what they want. If you did that, there would be kernel source code for devices such as the HTC One XL. I am a kernel developer and I own the HTC One XL. I bought this device, thinking that I could create custom kernels for it, and I would learn more about it. I bought this device, knowing that HTC would post the source code, unlike some of your competitors. So far that has not happened. It has been almost two months since the HTC One XL was released.
What am I looking for, you ask? I am looking for HTC to uphold its promise that they would aid the modding community in whatever way possible. I have time and time again seen the response 90-120 days, but I know that it isn't true. There is nothing stopping you from releasing the source now. Give me a definite answer. When will it be released? All the community wants is a definite answer.
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I got really pissed and sent them this, I believe it is my 7th "comment" to them. I would have made it longer but I ran out of charachters. Does anyone know where I can talk to someone from HTC directly? I need to vent and/or use some choice words.
Anyway, here is the "comment"
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Only problem is that the One XL was released more than two months ago.
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-offer-hacker-friendly-developer-edition-galaxy-s-iii
Bit late for lots of folks and $599.
Immolate said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-offer-hacker-friendly-developer-edition-galaxy-s-iii
Bit late for lots of folks and $599.
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Three cheers for Samsung doing the right thing, about a month late.
A better choice would of been, a developer portal website, where we send you our IMEI, you mark our warranty as invalid should we brick our phone, and then give us a file to unlock our bootloader. I'd even pay a reasonable, less than $50 processing fee, for your effort.
Earlier on a conference call with Verizon and Samsung, the following happened.... ( For the Verizon and Samsung suits, the below is satire, if I got it right, it's a coincidence...)
Samsung: Verizon, we told you that you were going to piss off the tech influncers, they're going to badmouth the S3 on your network and people will consider other carriers. Your dumb ass move of locking the bootloader is now costing us support calls, as we try to explain your poor decision. The right thing to do, as we told you earlier was not to lock it.
Verizon: Heck no, we're not doing it. We don't want the warranty and support headaches, besides they're all just a bunch of hacker thieves who will destroy our network, break their phones and cry to us when they brick.
Samsung: Your dumb move is hurting our brand and your brand too. (Thinking: But you're too stupid to see it.) What if we made you a limited quantity of S3's of of the S3's on your network without locking the bootloader.did a developer phone. You could sell it to a limited customer base for a small up-charge and make everyone happy. This way you could limit the amount of so called "hacker thieves" while keeping the influncers happy and give us a consistent message where we don't have to lie.
Verizon: We're not selling it.
Samsung: You'd be able to make peace with the influencers, you know that group that is all excited about our products, and convinces their friends to get it on your network. They'd love you for it.
Verizon: We're too big to have a different process for the phone same phone. We'd have mass confusion everywhere, support, service, retail and we'd loose money on it.
Samsung: You need to do something about this. It's only going to get nastier as you deliver more phones. All the other carriers didn't lock, and you simply look stupid for doing it. Your confusing message sounds like paranoia mixed with PR lies. Nobody is believing you, and you make us look bad.
Verizon: We're big enough. We don't care. Let them whine, they'll quiet down in a while.
Samsung: We'll if you're not going to do anything at least let us do something. Let us build a model with an IMEI which you'll allow on your network, which doesn't have a locked bootloader. We'll sell it, support it, and handle warranty. We'll call it a developer phone.
Verizon: Grumble Grumble.... Fine. This issue is over and the last we'll talk about it. Goodbye. Click. Those Samsung guys need to grow a pair. <Laughter>
Samsung: What a bunch of morons in suits.
Well this is good for those who want to install roms and what not. It sucks for those who are trying to get the Sgs3 as an upgrade on Verizon.
this is awesome thanks! I woulda never though samsung would do this.
They also do not say if you are paying $599 to get the 16gb version or 32gb.
so its essentially the sprint version except it works on Verizon.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/28/atandts-garnet-red-galaxy-s-iii-for-vampires-we-go-hands-on/
So are there actual hardware differences in the Version S3 and the Developers version or is it just in the firmware ??
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So are there actual hardware differences in the Version S3 and the Developers version or is it just in the firmware ??
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I pray to God their isn't and we can just Odin their firmware.
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Taxing Developers?
So now verizon and samsung decide to tax us for being developers? No one needs to buy this. Kexec the verizon version untill we can crack the bootloader!
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At this point i doubt many people will be purchasing this phone. Had samsung released it a few weeks ago then i bet more people would have bought it, but they've waited too long now.
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At this point i doubt many people will be purchasing this phone. Had samsung released it a few weeks ago then i bet more people would have bought it, but they've waited too long now.
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yep is gonna be a failure. And the dev community is gonna be non existent cause no one will have it. All that is gonna be good for is hopefully we can steal their bootloader and such.
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yep is gonna be a failure. And the dev community is gonna be non existent cause no one will have it. All that is gonna be good for is hopefully we can steal their bootloader and such.
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if the bootloader on the dev phone is usable on the locked handsets...thus unlocking them....then the development for this phone will become bigger than ever....
I plan on buying one when it is released in spite of Verizon.
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I plan on buying one when it is released in spite of Verizon.
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When you do I hope you rip what we will need as a community for development.
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if the bootloader on the dev phone is usable on the locked handsets...thus unlocking them....then the development for this phone will become bigger than ever....
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When you do I hope you rip what we will need as a community for development.
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I hope to hell it's as easy as you guys are thinking it will be. Unfortunately I would NOT count on it.
haha that would be hilarious and so awesome at the same time if the whole unlocked bootloader stock image could just be flashed in odin to bypass everything else. I was sayin the devs in charge of the $3k in donations to the bounty for unlocked bootloader should just offer that money to somebody at Verizon...like somebody should email one of the execs, not CEO, but a little lower, execs are ALWAYS lookin to make some extra bucks. Or at Samsung, I'm sure there's some software that can unlock that they possess. I came from the OG and have only this for like 4 days, and I'm extremely missing the freedom I had. It's like moving to North Korea or Cuba, naw more like North Korea
^^you had me laughing at that!
....North Korea!
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yep is gonna be a failure. And the dev community is gonna be non existent cause no one will have it. All that is gonna be good for is hopefully we can steal their bootloader and such.
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We can use it to point out to the fcc that vzw's excuse for locking the bootloader on a block c device is bull crap.
They really are trying to tax us now. This prooves they only care about money, not improoving their products..
http://m.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I535MBDVZW
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I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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Sure hope your right so everyone can enjoy the total experience of the one x.
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This is encouraging. The vp I spoke to didn't know what a bootloader was.
Hopefully she heard this from an official source and isn't speculating. But this is a little reassuring.
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"just hang on something is coming"
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Maybe I'm jaded, and but I'm more likely that something will come from the community before it will come from at&t.
CheesyNutz said:
I sell phones att verizon tmobile etc etc not going to say where.
She's normally pretty good about details on phones plans etc etc. She noticed night had a HOX and asked if my bootloader was unlocked. I said yes and why would you basket me that. She smiles and says there has been lots of calls and emails from people complaining about the locked bootloader. I'm told her yes its cost me lots of sales from people that like to mod. She smiles and says
"just hang on something is coming" I ask what. She says it has to do with the HOX and the bootloader.
The it for what it's worth just thought I'd share it
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Is she hot? Single?
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I hope this is legit. I called AT&T regarding this yesterday and everyone I talked too had no clue what I was talking about and all of them think I want to unlock my phone to use on other carriers. I tried explaining I am talking about software development and if I wanted a phone for other carriers I would have bought the unlocked international version and assured them that I wont be leaving AT&T (10+ years with them) and all I get is, "Well we can unlock your phone today if you pay the contract fee of $325...." sigh.
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I hope this is legit. I called AT&T regarding this yesterday and everyone I talked too had no clue what I was talking about and all of them think I want to unlock my phone to use on other carriers. I tried explaining I am talking about software development and if I wanted a phone for other carriers I would have bought the unlocked international version and assured them that I wont be leaving AT&T (10+ years with them) and all I get is, "Well we can unlock your phone today if you pay the contract fee of $325...." sigh.
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Most reps on phone are reading from a script.
yes i was pretty shocked that she new what a bootloader was lol. she pulled out her NOTE and was running CM10 . she said she knows a thing or 2 about bootloaders and roms lol
Do you sell phones for cheap ?;
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Perhaps a psycholigical move to get you to pass on motivation to potential customers. Increase sales. Hopefully im wrong but a lot of people in higher up positions had their tricks to earn them that spot
Real good info tho! This would be phenominal if at&t gave htc permission to unlock THEIR bootloaders
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Do you sell phones for cheap ?;
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no, phones sales is how i pay my house payment
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no phones sales is how i pay my house payment
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Your honesty is awesome! Its a good thing your in phone sales and not car sales
18th.abn said:
Your honesty is awesome! Its a good thing your in phone sales and not car sales
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lol truth
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This is encouraging. The vp I spoke to didn't know what a bootloader was.
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That sounds about right
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I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I understand that you are upset about not being able to unlock the bootloader on your device.
As is stated on the developer website:
“HTC is committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for HTC devices. However, certain models may not be unlockable due to operator (carrier) restrictions. We continue to work with our partners on this, check back often for ongoing updates about unlockable devices.”
I’m sorry, but this is outside of our control.
Connie Sullivan
Customer Service Specialist
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I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.
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I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.
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The executive replied?
Epos7 said:
I emailed HTC asking about the bootloader, and received this reply:
I used one of the executive emails that was posted in another thread. It would seem that we are not going to get anything.
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I ran into roughly the same thing with AT&T and the Skyrocket. AT&T/Samsung wouldn't give out unlock codes, kernel source, do anything for the dev community until the initial exclusivity period was over. Afterwards it was business as normal.
I'd imagine that the HOX is going to be the same. Once something "else" comes out, and the HOX isn't "one of the phones to have", they'll loosen the restrictions and will let us do what we want.
The Galaxy S3 is a bit different. It's not really "exclusive" to any carrier in the sense the Skyrocket was, so they probably had to change tactics a bit.
I also work for att. I haven't heard officially about the boot loader being unlocked, but the htc rep was in the store the other day dropping off signs for our HOX display and when I asked about it he said from what he has heard from people above him something was in the works to be able to unlock it, but he also stated nothing is official at this point.
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Yeah, that's what our HTC rep said, as well. Nothing official or solid, just rumblings from within the higher-ups at HTC.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - a type c to 3.5mm converter and an accurate release date, which are both costless but important to customers.
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
I am in Canada and is like the US , I still waiting mine.
Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Seriously this is pretty melodramatic because you had to wait a few extra days to get a phone.. HTC never made any promises about the release date to any country. Some regions of Europe got it early, lucky them. HTC doesn't owe you ****.
Knowing HTC phones and US carriers I can almost guarantee that HTC is taking every second it can before shipping to the US to ensure full compatibility with Verizon, T-Mo, and AT&T. There have been issues with the past couple of HTC phones so it makes sense they are trying to get it right.
I am eagerly awaiting my day one pre-order too, but it will get here when it gets here. HTC isn't treating you unfairly or discriminating against you.
5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
I didn't mean US should get everything first. Actually I'm not American. I live and work in the US at the moment though. And I don't think I have the US first attitude.
The reason why I thought the phone would be released in the U.S first is that HTC held MeetU events in the U.S. first. I went to the one in SF and had an opportunity of getting hands on the phone, and at that time when I placed my order it said June 7th would be the release date.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - the converter and an accurate release date.
Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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the only reason they arnt a main flagship carrier in the US is because of bad/lack of advertising while samsung constanly has consistent S series phone line while HTC has been all over the place with naming of phones and Samsung runs ads on television and youtube constanly, HTC just needs better marketing out in the US market, also my few cents here but can all the EU/Germany people cool down when someone from US posts they have a right in their own country to speak freely no matter how you may view their thoughts, so plz be respectful, all the original poster was saying how he feels that germany and all the EU markets are getting the phones first when the US market still hasnt gotten theirs still and even im kinda sad about that as well, it has nothing to do with entilement it has to do with a sense of fairness
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon still says June 21 for ship date - I just checked- at least in the US
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USA is one of the regions where HTC U12+ was earliest announced and the SF and NYC MeetU events were the first two chances where fans had the opportunity of getting hands on the new phone. I thought HTC would treat US customers seriously, but by now it has done everything to make us unhappy instead.
1. European fans have been receiving their phones since last week or earlier, but in the US there's not even an accurate date.
2. European HTC Club members enjoy a fairly good discount, while US TeamHTC members get nothing at all.
3. European HTC Club members get a types-c to 3.5mm converter for free, but US customers will have to buy one by their own...
I really can't understand HTC's marketing strategy. At least it should treat all customers equally, right?
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
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Before I cancelled my preorder, I was to pay £629 with the HTC club discount. With a quick search online, $799.99 is £608. So that pays for the free dongle we get.
As for customer support, my bank card was cloned, and HTC have been just about useless helping me change it to my new card, so I won't get my preorder at all, so I cancelled it. At least I emailed them to cancel it and they haven't replied.
I agree customers should be treated equally where possible, but unfortunately HTC are almost sunk and doesn't seem they have the means to do so anymore.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
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There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got several discounts and gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
* these are only the first three examples I could find via google
this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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Sorry, no. I have no plans at the moment to buy the u12
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Flippy498 said:
There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got severaldiscountsand gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
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Thanks @Flippy498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Thanks @Flinny498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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Yeah sorry my T9 swapped Flippy with your name somehow.
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Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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x1tymez said:
Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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Well, every person I spoke to there said they never had it in stock. In any event, all we can do is wait.