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This question is for the moderators....
I think this board is great, but I think it needs a newbie section. somewhere newbies can go to get an overview of what with the phones.
I'm asking for this just because I am a real newbie I inherited a XDA phone from my nephew because he upgraded to the XDA III I think and I have no Idea what is going on.
I think there are common things between all the phones that can be explained such as rom versions, design etc.
thanx
If you take a look at the top of your screen, you will see an link to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/
Ever tried this?
HTH
Stefan
we are all start from a newbie...
what i'm doing is to read and read then search...
anyway welcome...
Hi everyone,
So I've seen this issue resurface many times in many different threads, most recently in the updating inspire thread. My requests are simple:
IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE FORUM, PLEASE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION. IF THEN, YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND, FEEL FREE TO ASK (AND MAKE SURE YOU MENTION THAT YOU TRIED).
IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO FLAME SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T SEARCH, BE POLITE. If you want to answer their question too, go ahead.
If someone doesn't answer their question but asks them to search first, please don't flame them either. It's absolutely useless to redo the debate that's been had many many times before. Some people prefer not to answer questions in these cases while others don't. Let's all live happily ever after and not get on each others' backs because we're all experienced and veteran users trying to help others out. There is no need to get testy or question why someone does or doesn't answer a question. To each their own.
Now, back to my ORD (obsessive rom-flashing disorder for you newbies)...
Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
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Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
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I never feel bad about it.
I've been living in forums for far too long to fret over this. I have a whole like 15 posts here but started back over a yr ago with my Rhodium. Now I'm getting into the more modded styles and am enjoying passing on what I've read here even gotten a few other friends to join. All cause this forum has a huge database of knowledge with an actual small amount of flaming.
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I never feel bad about it.
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I've noticed. Your one of my heroes, actually.
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
There is now excuse to reading; almost any answer is already posted. when I first joined XDA I spent 2 days solid just reading. If one does half as much as I did, you end up with a good sense of how rooting, flashing, customizing the Inspire is done and also use the IRC chat rooms.
Guys don't let up! I never got hurt by anyone here, it only inspires to search, read, AND LEARN!!!
Holding someone's hand never encourages or lets them learn!
This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
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This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
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LoL. It is ironic. I have already seen numerous threads about using the search button first.
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Carlrobling said:
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
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Glad you posted this,cause I missed your response. But dude,once in a while,someone could read over something easily. I shouldn't post this here,since this thread goes against flaming,but you were out of line. And by the way **** face,I unchecked the tell HTC box,it didn't work. But not being the newby you treated me like,I figured it out on my own. Your vision on someone not searching or being lazy,is outta this world ****ed up bro. You are the type of user who completely does not care about anything but trying to prove there intelligence. Here is what a user should do when having a problem:
1: read,read......read!
2: read over all you read,again
3: do a couple searches
4: retry what you did that caused the problem
5: after all that fails,ask the question you need an answer too
I DID ALL OF THAT YOU ASS.
I read all 200 and something pages of the thread before i ever asked my question,and as hard as it is for you to beleive,I read over what I was looking for.
And before any of you write this up as flaming,his whole post here was flaming me. Have a nice day captain douchebag
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Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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We need to start this thread over new every week just to vent and let everyone have at it and get it out then close it, delete it on Friday and open it up fresh on Monday. LOL
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Lets just get it stickied
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mattmiller said:
Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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LOL! I think you posted that video in that thread too.
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
knarfl1 said:
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
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I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
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I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
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Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
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Your rite. See knewbs can be aggrivating,but we were once all one our selves. And yes,knewbs should search and read first,and if they have a problem,then ask a question. But someone shouldn't jump down there throat off the bat,assuming they didn't search first. I mean,sometimes I have a hard time finding something by googlin it and my gf will find it with one search LOL. So its not just the knewbs clustering the place,its also people who Jump down there throat and cause an argument that lasts 2 pages worth of thread. Here's an example of how I think it should be done
Knewb: " i tried to install android evelution and keep getting reboots"
Member: " did you search?"
Knewb: "yes and I can't find anything on it"
Member: "ok try full wiping,then reflashing. If that doesent work,post back here and im sure we can help you out"
See,like give them an easy answer ya know? And if they cone back saying it didn't work,then its time to be the members of a great forum,and help the guy,atleast tell him what to read through to resolve the problem. On the other hand,if a knewb comes off like there not even willing to try and help there selves,then don't even respond. In the long run it will save a lot of space on the forum. Instead of being jerks,we can guide the knewbs to being a intelligent user,that way they will be the ones answering questions down the road. Of we did that,then it would save time for the more experienced users to make great stuff for us here at xda. I'm not taking up for knewbs here,I'm just saying that there not the only ones clustering the place. And I'm not talking about the guys who come off as a jerk because there responding to something over the internet,I mean the ones who snap on a knewb,without leaving nothing but an half ass answer,and a rude comment that leads to a huge argument.
My 2cents,I have plenty more
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Scott_S said:
That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
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Rite. See the users that have knowledge,need to guide the knewbs so there will be more experienced users to do so. Sometimes I come off as taking up for the knewbs,but its just that the people that's been here a while or have intelligence about all this,can make this place better,and control situations if we just do like you said,and say hey "try searching a little bit next time bud" instead of "omg you rlidiot,go search before you post" ya know?
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ok ok i know im new hear but first impressions. i dont fell welcome.
the problem isnt the users hear. they are great..........its the moderators.
all i see is threds less than 24hours old with no replyes are closed. threads that need to be talked about. also threads that where closed for no reason. or some one has made a mistake and rather than fix the problom they just close it.
why are they doing this?
also after meany pleas from alot of users. they still refuse to make an xperia pro (not mini) thread or a sony tablet p thread
we cant "just use the xperia arc or xperia s forums" as they are still verry different when it comes to rooting ect,
this place moderated in the wrong way. this isnt supposed to be a dictatorship
im shore im going to get band for this but it only proves my point
just a few examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642936
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644487
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644233
also they keep crying "USE THE SEARCH".........im sorry but the "search" needs some work in a big way
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so did you just post this trying to make your way to the 10 post rule? im just saying... it looks that way because its just a few pages that your talking about, but any way... i just sign up because i got the HTC one x and android forums dont have people on it yet to help with the AT&T X. but you could always try them out... ive always gotten alot of useful info from AF.
Grow up. XDA is free. Most of us here, including mods, do this for NOTHING, except the occasional press of the thanks button.
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I'm sorry you feel that way dude, but you have to remember that the primary goal of XDA is development. Lot's of friendly people do their best to help the less tech savvy work their way through how to do things, but the primary purpose is to make it as easy as possible for the developers to develop. That means spam needs to be kept to a minimum.
I'm sorry, but that's just the way things are, and the majority of users are ok with this because they see that the results of this Iron Fist is faster and better development for all.
Isn't that video a part of the sign-up process anyway?
I don't believe so, but it should be. And if there was any place to vote on that, I'd vote for it 100%. I really, really believe it would help cut down on threads like these, especially since it has some humor in it and not everyone knows how to use a forum from the get go.
Hmmm.......I think this forum is great....
Half of the threads that are posted in different sections don't belong there. It's annoying seeing "Why is my phone rebooting?" with a very vague description of the problem, in the General section.
That's why most are closed, they're just in the wrong section.
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Go watch 'the video' sparky
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Thread closed. If you have a problem with the moderators, this is not the place to take it up with us.
Hey so I am pretty new to the xda forums and what not and would really like to contribute something. I'm broke too broke to donate. all I have that can be any help is an HTC one s I'm too afraid to mess with anymore and an awful computer that I am willing to use to help people on here. Any suggestions? I just want to stop being a leech and a noob.
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This is the worst thread I've come across what do u need lol?
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You could start by reading up on everything related to Android development. Everyone started out as a noob, Google and these forums are your friend. If you can't donate, hit that thanks button at the bottom of the posts.
Or help answer questions in the Q&A section.
k1llacanon said:
This is the worst thread I've come across what do u need lol?
This is probably the worst comment ive read here, this is a community and a member wants to help and give a little back and your hating. If we would have more members that try and help and give something back xda would be a much better community.
To the op, theres guides on the development thread on how to develop for our devices, if you want to help you should read or you could probably pm a dev for more info, their very nice and they know a lot, could learn a lot from them.
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Try and obtain knowledge about the device, how it works, how you can tell what it's doing, etc..
The ways to do this are: search and browse the forums, google outside of xda, look in your device.
Then you can either go for a specific goal, like s-off, your favorite missing feature, better battery life, etc.. and focus your searching and reading in that direction, or more opportunistically, come up with tweaks and tricks based on what you come across while dissecting the device.
At first it will seem daunting. Try and follow guides and how-to's and try to understand what they do and why that works.
As you become more familiar with how the device and related tools work, you can help out other members with their problems and questions.
Thanks for your interest in contributing.
Good hunting!
-Jobo
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You can help by posting in the correct section. Please post all questions in the Q&A section
Like the title says hiw do i get vanilla ICS on my desire S. thats all i want. Plain old ICS. Is it possile?
steste01 said:
Like the title says hiw do i get vanilla ICS on my desire S. thats all i want. Plain old ICS. Is it possile?
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Is this a QUESTION? Would it, maybe, be better off in the Q&A forum?
Also do yourself a favour and read before asking questions that are simple to find the answer to please.
Thanks for the helpful reply.
If I understand you right, you'd like to remove Sense. To do this, you need to "root" your Phone and install an ICS-only-Rom. In this thread you can find many different ROMs, even Jelly Bean-ROMs and an instruction on how to root your Phone.
Hope I could help you
Written in very bad English on my PC
Sanguinus
Try CM9 or IceCreamSaga ROM.
Simon is always very "helpful"
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Fredericosilva said:
Simon is always very "helpful"
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Sarcasm - well done you prat. If the 'Thanks meter' is anything to go by, then I am helpful - but when people ask such stupid, pointless questions as the OP without bothering to do any reading or searching first then they deserve the reply I gave. ANd what is wrong with me telling the OP that he has posted in the wrong forum? If people actually bothered to read or follow the rules of XDA then it would be a much better, more civilised place.
Once again - people who don't bother to read run a much greater risk of screwing up their phone permanently because they don't understand what they are doing, why they are doing it or how to fix it if something goes wrong. XDA is not a support site for people to ask daft questions - it is a Developers site. I appreciate that it has become overly popular and now everybody feels they have a 'right' to root their phone with no issues and a full expectation to treat the people on here as free tech-support, but that is not the reality of the situation.
If you have a problem with me then take it to PM and we will deal with it there, otherwise wind your neck in before your head gets taken off.
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Sarcasm - well done you prat. If the 'Thanks meter' is anything to go by, then I am helpful - but when people ask such stupid, pointless questions as the OP without bothering to do any reading or searching first then they deserve the reply I gave. ANd what is wrong with me telling the OP that he has posted in the wrong forum? If people actually bothered to read or follow the rules of XDA then it would be a much better, more civilised place.
Once again - people who don't bother to read run a much greater risk of screwing up their phone permanently because they don't understand what they are doing, why they are doing it or how to fix it if something goes wrong. XDA is not a support site for people to ask daft questions - it is a Developers site. I appreciate that it has become overly popular and now everybody feels they have a 'right' to root their phone with no issues and a full expectation to treat the people on here as free tech-support, but that is not the reality of the situation.
If you have a problem with me then take it to PM and we will deal with it there, otherwise wind your neck in before your head gets taken off.
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I don't have any problem with you, I'm only trying to say that you sometimes are a little bit uncomprehending with people that don't know so much as you. Don't get me wrong, you are great to this community, but sometimes you overreacted. You can scold and give advice but can respond debts, are nonsensical or not.
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Fredericosilva said:
I don't have any problem with you, I'm only trying to say that you sometimes are a little bit uncomprehending with people that don't know so much as you. Don't get me wrong, you are great to this community, but sometimes you overreacted. You can scold and give advice but can respond debts, are nonsensical or not.
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It isn't a matter of whether people are new here or uncomprehending - it is a simple matter of following the rules of XDA. Search before asking questions is one of the first, if not the first rule - yet nobody seems to bother doing it anymore.
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It isn't a matter of whether people are new here or uncomprehending - it is a simple matter of following the rules of XDA. Search before asking questions is one of the first, if not the first rule - yet nobody seems to bother doing it anymore.
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You are right about that, but like steste01 did not like your answer the others also does not like. As I said, you can answer too.
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Fredericosilva said:
You are right about that, but like steste01 did not like your answer the others also does not like. As I said, you can answer too.
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You're quite right - he didn't like the answer because he doesn't like the rules. That doesn't mean that I am wrong to point it out to him.
Maybe we should apply the same attitude in society as a whole - I can just go out and break whatever laws I want, and if I get arrested I'll just tell the cops that I don't like the rules.
Simon is right here. Anyone wanting to root their phone, must at least take the pain to understand the process and the risks involved rather than jumping into flashing straightaway.
The problem is everyone is just too lazy to read and gather information and knowledge.
In fact everyone who has been on this forum for a while would have already spent quite some time reading about stuff before jumping into it.
As the warranty of Desire S has gotten over for a lot of people, we are seeing some super noobs around here.
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How i root my phone was, i htcdev unlock, didnt know after this i could root my phone, i went straight to s-off it, bump into error 155, pull my battery a few times, stucked not at htc logo, but a red exclamation mark. bump into more issue, slept late, in the end i manage to root.
thank God i didnt brick my phone in the process. it was less than 3 months when i did that, and now i am a bit regretting it, as i unlock using htcdev and voided my warranty.