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Hi there,
I used to use a SonyEricsson Bluetooth Stereo thingy to listen to music and while the quality was decent (no skipping) the battery of the earphones doesn't last long enough to make this a good solution if you are on a long travel. The other problem is that you can't use bluetooth earphones on a plane.
So, since the HTC standard earphones are awful, I bought this adapter
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=142091
and I am now using my Sennheiser earphones.
As you can see from other customers' comments this adapter is really crap and as soon as you touch it the sound becomes muffled and you need to readjust it so that the contacts work again. Basically you can't listen to music with the phone in your pocket.
So the question is: what is your solution to listen to music? Is the HTC wired remote reliable in terms of having good contacts with the body of the phone? Is there another adapter that has more stable contacts.
This is becoming a major drawback for me and I am not sure I want my next phone to have all the hassles that the HTC proprietary connector implies.
Thanks in advance!
A.
PS: I know there is another thread about this but my point here is that I don't care about having or not having a microphone, or what Expansys is selling.... I want to be sure that someone is using something with good results!!
I have a very cheap adapter with a short cable, found it on ebay.
Works flawless, as it has a cornered plug.
http://cgi.ebay.at/Stereo-Headphone...ihZ002QQcategoryZ3728QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
esackbauer said:
I have a very cheap adapter with a short cable, found it on ebay.
Works flawless, as it has a cornered plug.
http://cgi.ebay.at/Stereo-Headphone...ihZ002QQcategoryZ3728QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
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Thanks for your reply. It is indeed quite cheap so I will give it a try. I really hope the L-shaped plug works better!
A.
http://www.bluetake.com/products/BT420EX.htm
got these
cant use them on a plane
makes me look like lobot
http://swg.stratics.com/content/lore/personas/images/lobot.jpg
but their sound is pretty good
esackbauer said:
I have a very cheap adapter with a short cable, found it on ebay.
Works flawless, as it has a cornered plug.
http://cgi.ebay.at/Stereo-Headphone...ihZ002QQcategoryZ3728QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
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I have just received the adapter from Hong Kong. It works great! No comparison with the one sold on Expansys. This one fits well into the USB socket and there's no problem with the sound disappearing when moving the phone.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I have the I.Tech Radio Clip
http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02050
Works like a charm, no issues, and battery life on it lasts 6 hours, enough for me.
Best thing about it is the ability to skip music and pause and play music without taking your device out of your pocket or holster, bad thing is everytime you do, your device goes on and battery can drain if it doesn't switch of soon or other buttons may be pressed when it is on in your pocket or holster.
Another good thing is also the radio, and I know that it is just a perk, but good enough, if your sick of your songs, listen to the radio.
nice gadget
On my previous phones diamond and hero i've used the HTC RC E100 remote. It was quite handy, allowed me to control the music player without getting the phone out of my pocket, and the best thing was i could just use my own headphones!
Unfortunatly it has a mini-usb connector. Now that the desire uses a micro USB connector i am looking for something similiar.
Control for music, volume, phone (incl. mic) and where i can plug in my own headphones.
I just love those in ear headphones and don't want to use the ones that came with the desire.
Does anybody know about a remote that would fit my desire and my needs?
Thanks everyone!
chaos42
Maybe something like these: http://www.lgmobileshop.co.uk/go/ac...10m?NAVID=2DE6D616-3005-BC57-7F4D79DFC6BE490B
Not sure how good/bad they are in terms of quality.
Mastoid said:
Maybe something like these: http://www.lgmobileshop.co.uk/go/ac...10m?NAVID=2DE6D616-3005-BC57-7F4D79DFC6BE490B
Not sure how good/bad they are in terms of quality.
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Allthough they are missing those msic control buttons, do you know if it will work with the desire?
chaos42 said:
Allthough they are missing those msic control buttons, do you know if it will work with the desire?
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The Desire uses a standard micro USB (5-pin micro-USB 2.0) connection, I am just thinking whether or not the Desire even supports audio through the USB...
As far as I know, the Nexus One uses a standard Micro-USB connector, which has no audio support. The only way to listen through an amp is Bluetooth or the headphone jack.
Mastoid said:
The Desire uses a standard micro USB (5-pin micro-USB 2.0) connection, I am just thinking whether or not the Desire even supports audio through the USB...
As far as I know, the Nexus One uses a standard Micro-USB connector, which has no audio support. The only way to listen through an amp is Bluetooth or the headphone jack.
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thank you for the provided information. as the nexus one and the desire are very similar, i guess the desire will miss the audio support via usb as well. in all other phones where audio via usb was supported, HTC has used a non standard usb port.
i will keep on searching for a remote that plugs in via the headphone jack. if someone has an idea
cheers,
chaos42
I think I have a solution.
Jabra BT3030 bluetooth headset. A2DP and AVRCP so you get your stereo sound and also utilise audio controls. Plus it has a 3.5mm jack so you can plug in whatever headphones you want.
Google it. I've got one on the way.
I've been looking for head phones too, and these look like the best offer so far. I am a bit worried about the blue tooth running down the battery though. But let me know how you find these. If all the buttons work with the desire I'll probably get myself a set.
I've been using my Jabra BT3030 and the controls do work. There is a small time lag between pressing a button on the Jabra and it responding.
One good thing I found about the phone (with or without headphones) is that the volume control on the phone works even when the phone has gone to sleep. On my HD2 that didn't happen and it really annoyed me.
norm2002 said:
I've been using my Jabra BT3030 and the controls do work. There is a small time lag between pressing a button on the Jabra and it responding.
One good thing I found about the phone (with or without headphones) is that the volume control on the phone works even when the phone has gone to sleep. On my HD2 that didn't happen and it really annoyed me.
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So how is the Jabra overall? Worth buying? I've been reading the amazon reviews and some issues have been raised, like the buttons not working with music after you get a call. Do the volume buttons work, and how is the sound quality? Lastly, how bad is it on the battery?
Thanks in advance.
H00pyFr00d said:
I think I have a solution.
Jabra BT3030 bluetooth headset. A2DP and AVRCP so you get your stereo sound and also utilise audio controls. Plus it has a 3.5mm jack so you can plug in whatever headphones you want.
Google it. I've got one on the way.
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i think i will give it a try, the only thing that worries me is the fact that i would have another thing to charge. I was also thinking about soldering a headphone jack into the standard htc remote that came with the phone. i will keep you up to date.
cheers,
chaos42
these look interesting, i've been thinking about looking for some headphones with music controls too...
how is the sound quality with the jabra bt3030, is it just as good as having headphones plugged into the phone?
does running bluetooth hammer the phone battery?
yea i like the look of it, the ability to skip tracks without whipping ur phone out seems great. that always annoyed me with the iphone.. but as i listen to music for hours on end at work (Without a charger handy), i wanna know how much the BT will effect battery life?
id imagine it would decline pretty quickly ?
I have a Jabra BT 3030 which I used extensively with my G1 because I hated carrying around a MiniUSB to audio jack lead.
However I haven't even tried it with my Desire, like someone said its just another thing you need to remember to charge, and as the Desire has a headphone socket (and a micro usb) it would mean carry two leads, or an adaptor to keep them both charged.
That said the Jabra has a fairly decent battery life as long as you remember to turn it off when your not using it.
The sound quality is perfectly acceptable for listening to music unless your a real audiophile, though its obviously not as good as a direct connection to the phone.
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I use a pair of Sony DR-BY20NX Bluetooth headphones with my desire. headphone battery life is 11hrs.it also has audio controls and can answer call.
fairly cheap but discontinued and becoming hard to find. well worth it though.
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If you guys want a good pair of headphones that dont cost the earth and sound as good as phones twice as expensive then look no further then this
http://amazon.nuforce-icon.com/NuFo...fic_src=GB&utm_medium=CSE&utm_source=GB&id=uk
I was in CPW last week and the guy who was serving me also had a desire, he was using the Nokia Bh-214 (iirc), its a bluetooth remote with a 3.5mm plug. I tried it out and it sounded good, it has full controls including volume. Its around £40 and available
Also, I have been searching about and found the Sony MW-600 its a bluetooth remote with a 3.5 mm jack, it also comes with headphones and has a built in FM radio. Also has full controls, its around £40 and not out till May.
Personally I am going to wait till the Sony one is out, it has positive reviews and i trust Sony more when it comes to music and the like. Just annoying having to wait!
I am using a cheap BT A2DP, and it works very well. It can be used as BT handsfree or stereo earphone, also has a remote to skip and back the track, that works fine in TuneWiki (but it not for HTC player). The quality of the sound is still far below my KOSS earphone though... but for 26USD and free delivery that thing is really a good deal.
This is the link, but I just found out that is sold out at this moment.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12286.
They have another one, almost the same spec but I don't know whether it works as good as the other one.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9035
Hello,
I know Google made a care dock, in fact I have the Desktop Dock.
But I read a couple of reviews and the results were not satisfying.
So I need your advice !
What is the best Care Dock for the Nexus One ?
I want to use it as GPS/phone but not media player.
Best regards,
rXp>!<
None. Theres only one that's from google or htc. Same thing anyways.
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I have the google car dock (and the Google desk dock), and it is superb. That's what you want.
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rXpCH said:
Hello,
I know Google made a care dock, in fact I have the Desktop Dock.
But I read a couple of reviews and the results were not satisfying.
So I need your advice !
What is the best Care Dock for the Nexus One ?
I want to use it as GPS/phone but not media player.
Best regards,
rXp>!<
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I have the Nexus Dock that was sold by Google. It's great for GPS and I have to say it is OK at best for hands free phone. Maybe in a quieter car (Chevy Blazer here) but I have a hard time hearing people even at maximum volume. My car is a little loud though so maybe someone else may have better input for that issue I have. It seems with some of the older roms on my phone I had a few connection issues(random bluetooth connection drops) but on some of the newer roms I haven't had that problem at all. As far as a media player.. meh If you like listening to your music through a CB radio speaker then this is the dock for you! It is very well made as far as construction. I've had mine almost a year now and it still works with no issues. In all reality the music player doesn't sound terrible through the speaker but it doesn't sound great, the phone feature is OK and navigation is great. It is a good product but just like any other product it is not perfect.
flappjaxxx said:
I have the Nexus Dock that was sold by Google. It's great for GPS and I have to say it is OK at best for hands free phone. Maybe in a quieter car (Chevy Blazer here) but I have a hard time hearing people even at maximum volume. My car is a little loud though so maybe someone else may have better input for that issue I have. It seems with some of the older roms on my phone I had a few connection issues(random bluetooth connection drops) but on some of the newer roms I haven't had that problem at all. As far as a media player.. meh If you like listening to your music through a CB radio speaker then this is the dock for you! It is very well made as far as construction. I've had mine almost a year now and it still works with no issues. In all reality the music player doesn't sound terrible through the speaker but it doesn't sound great, the phone feature is OK and navigation is great. It is a good product but just like any other product it is not perfect.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't have a car dock, and the htc website is out of stock now),
but can't you set your phone to use bluetooth A2DP to connect to a bluetooth capable car stereo automatically when you put it in the dock? Or is that the situation you have where you talk about bad audio quality?
Also, can't you get car stereos/kits that give you handsfree speakerphone using your stereo and an external mic?
For me, the dock is little better than a car charger if it doesn't auto connect to such newfangled wizardry to solve these problems automagically (the dock does actually CHARGE the phone too, right?).
tonyx3 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't have a car dock, and the htc website is out of stock now),
but can't you set your phone to use bluetooth A2DP to connect to a bluetooth capable car stereo automatically when you put it in the dock? Or is that the situation you have where you talk about bad audio quality?
Also, can't you get car stereos/kits that give you handsfree speakerphone using your stereo and an external mic?
For me, the dock is little better than a car charger if it doesn't auto connect to such newfangled wizardry to solve these problems automagically (the dock does actually CHARGE the phone too, right?).
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The dock's built-in speaker has not so great audio. You can connect it to a bluetooth capable stereo, I just happen to not have one of those. I am sure there are kits out there that do all of the above. Yes it does charge the phone as well. The phone connects to the dock's speaker via Bluetooth and that's what I meant about the previous random bluetooth drops. For what I use it for, mostly navigation and charging it serves it's purpose.
flappjaxxx said:
The dock's built-in speaker has not so great audio. You can connect it to a bluetooth capable stereo, I just happen to not have one of those. I am sure there are kits out there that do all of the above. Yes it does charge the phone as well.
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Oh, the car dock has an extra built in speaker? I kinda assumed you were talking about audio coming from the phone's built in speaker. I see. Thanks for the heads up, in any case.
Arkon has good universal car mounts. The good thing is that it is future proof assuming that phones don't get super wide.
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gonna try out one of these
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/universal-car-windshield-swivel-mount-for-htc-g5-39882
please know that if you order it, it ships from China. With all the Chinese New Year festivities going on there it will probably take 4 weeks to get here.
From Amazon
I bought this dock: http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-K3...h-Compatible/dp/B003Y3BEV4/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
And although is supposedly for the iPhone, it works great with the N1. I modded the base, so it will hold the tip of this charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA/ref=oss_product?ie=UTF8&redirect=true
The dock you can either put it in the windshield or in one of the vents. I put mine in a vent, because it is closer to my hand and I don't have to reach to the windshield to operate the phone, when I am using the car home.
I hope that this info helps.
I've had no issues with the Google car dock.
Happily rockin' the Google Car Dock as well. I love the docks with this phone!
I used this tutorial
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744728&highlight=diy
did the job nice! and cheap too!
I have been looking for a dock and the google dock is no longer being sold by google and is only available on ebayor amazon, there is a buy now on ebay for $79, and it costs $185 on amazon! It looks really nice though, it original sold for $55, so I may shell out the premium to get the only really nice dock i have seen
If I didn't already have the google car dock, I'd probably give this a go:
http://lifehacker.com/#!5747897/how-to-build-a-car-mount-for-your-cellphone-from-office-supplies
I'm usually a cheap bastard.
DumbUglyDragon said:
Happily rockin' the Google Car Dock as well. I love the docks with this phone!
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It rocks until it breaks.
Check out proclip usa.
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I'd love to hack an audio out port directly only my official N1 car dock....other than that, it's fantastic.
I have the official Google/HTC car dock, and am satisfied with it. The speaker in it is OK, but not great if you have a loud vehicle. Communication between the dock and phone is via Bluetooth, despite it being physically clipped in. I had a small issue where I found that music would play via the dock speaker, but phone calls would only play on the phone's speaker, oddly.
Also, after taking a road trip with my N1 as a GPS unit before I got the dock, I found that a standard car 12v --> USB adapter with a microUSB cable did not provide enough juice to power the phone while using Google Nav with GPS. It would slowly discharge the battery over time. This happened with 3 different 12v--> USB adapters, so maybe most of them out there don't put out enough amps.
Anyways, I got mine last fall from HTC's site, which was (and still is) backordered. I did eventually get it, though.
Because I'm an xda forum noob, it won't let me post the URL... but just Google "shopamerica" and "HTC" and find accessories for the Nexus One from the HTC America site.
the only problem with non Google Car Dock/Car Mount is that phone dialer never show in landscape
is there any trick to emulate google car dock to allow dialer to be in landscape ?
thanks
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I have the official Google/HTC car dock, and am satisfied with it. The speaker in it is OK, but not great if you have a loud vehicle. Communication between the dock and phone is via Bluetooth, despite it being physically clipped in. I had a small issue where I found that music would play via the dock speaker, but phone calls would only play on the phone's speaker, oddly.
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there is a little workaround for that - the MOTOROLA T505 (google it) hands-free device works miracles..it has a decent, loud, inbuilt speaker, communicates via bluetooth with the N1, and transmits via FM to your car-stereo. it searches for "least used/weakest signal" on the entire FM frequency band, announces verbally the FM frequency you need to set your radio to, and off you go. as a bonus, it has an inbuilt rechargeable battery so you can take it anywhere.Works for making calls and music 'broadcasts'
This little adapter is really well-reviewed on Amazon. Satisfied users mention Droid, EVO 4G, Incredible, Nexus One, etc. but no Charge.
Seems reasonable to expect it to work given such widespread Android compatibility but does anyone have firsthand experience?
I have had that one for a while now. It worked great on my D1 and now I use it on my Charge. Streams music and it sounds great. It has a volume control on it also. You can charge your phone at the same time. One of the best buys I have made.
Thanks, mon. I'm off to order now.
Just so I understand, you use the headphone jack for audio, USB to charge.
Rather than playing through the USB alone?
If I had an easy way to connect in my car, I'd go ahead and sub to spotify. This could be it.
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Actually I only use the bluetooth connection for sound. That way I can stream music and if I get a call I can hear it over the car speakers. I use the USB to keep the phone charged. I have never used the audio cable. Have you received it yet and if so how do you like it?
I'm thinking of picking this up, I'd probably wanna use a cig splitter since I don't particularly care that the usb port on this is only 650mah. Is it strong enough to run music and nav and keep the phone charged? or recommend a cig splitter so we can use the official cig charger from verizon?
I can't answer that question yet. I should get my car dock today and I haven't used it for nav yet. I have used it to stream music and voice.
Received mine yesterday but haven't had a chance to mess with it. I'm really hoping it charges effectively, I'm getting ready to search and/or post here about how HUGELY I'm disappointed in the Charge's battery life.
let us know hehe, thinking of either this or getting a new head unit for my car with bluetooth built in. Right now I use the aux jack on my radio, but I want to get rid up as much excess cabling as possible. Any fan of cable tidyness would agree hehe.
lol I am a total nutcase....was going to get this accessory but figured...why not just upgrade my head unit to one with bluetooth......and while at it picked up new speakers to replace the stock ones......ARGH, coulda just spent the ~$50 and been done with it instead of the $478 for the new HU, speakers, and install (which is tomorrow ^.^)
Don't follow in my tracks, save your money and get this LOL
Now that is one approach to a problem I am not sure I would have even thought of, lol.
Let's see... spend $50 or 10 times that??????
I can see your dilemma.
ya but spending 10 times as much nets me a much nicer audio systems with integrated awesomeness.....hehe I get it installed in an hour I'll report back.
Anyways to keep this post on target...we need more testers for that fm transmitter! Get on it folk!
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ya but spending 10 times as much nets me a much nicer audio systems with integrated awesomeness.....hehe I get it installed in an hour I'll report back.
Anyways to keep this post on target...we need more testers for that fm transmitter! Get on it folk!
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where are you getting it installed? im thinking of getting a headunit too but i dont know how to install it and im really bad with cars.
ya, get the professionals on that one...even if it is best buy...at least if they **** up its on them. After using my new stereo for 2 days, I have to say this....nothing beats the aux input cord.....bluetooth streaming is too poor, wicked hissy. still nice to have the bluetooth only for phone calls though.
Funny, I have never had the hissy sound over bluetooth. My streaming with the GOgroove Flexsmart X2 has always sounded as good as the radio and I have the Bose system in my Trailblazer.
thats weird. it may be the bluetooth adapter I have *shrugs* it sounds beauuuutiful through the line out on the car dock into the aux in on my HU, but if I only use it for calls oh well, it works hehehe
I'll chime in to say that bluetooth streaming in a rental Ford was superb. No static or hissing, full Spotify goodness.
I'd take my unit it back, if I were you. Shouldn't be problematic.
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ive been using this one from walmart
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Scosche-FM-Transmitter/16652629
its inexpensive and works really well. I bought a few others from bestbuy and they always sucked and had poor sound quality for double the price, i saw this at walmart one day and said "what the hell" and picked it up, i was very surprised at how well it worked. It has a small profile, and even plays mp3s off an SD card if you want, though I have never used that feature. It has a remote as well.
I just bought a 2nd one for my wife, and ive been using mine for about a year now, its rock solid.
highly recommended. Also... its walmart, if it ever breaks just bring it back
It looks like that one from WalMart is a FM Transmitter only. The one we are talking about in this thread is not only a FM Transmitter but also a Bluetooth connector to our Phones so we can hold a conversation and hear it over the vehicles radio system. So it looks to me that it does everything the WalMart one does, except for the memory card slot, and much more.
I was provided with this Anker Bluetooth Headset free of charge in exchange for my open and honest feedback.
The Anker Wireless Bluetooth 4.0 Stereo Headset is by far the best Bluetooth Headset that I have ever used or owned. Here are a few reasons why:
1. The Anker Headset uses Bluetooth 4.0 providing higher quality sound (if you have a Bluetooth 4.0 device, as I do) than previous versions of Bluetooth.
2. Speaking of sound, this puppy pumps out enough volume to give you one ringing ear after listening to loud music for an extended period of time. You can of course adjust the volume from the device or the volume rocker on the headset itself.
3. The battery life is quite acceptable, giving the 4-5 hours advertised by Anker. This is something that I've noticed about Anker thus far...they don't advertise 10+ hours of battery life just to get you to buy their product...they advertise real specs and give you a quality product!
4. As with most Bluetooth Headsets, Anker includes multiple ear gels (4 total - 2 small, 2 large) and also 2 detachable ear hooks. I have not needed to use the ear hooks at all in my testing. The Anker Bluetooth Headset fits securely and is more comfortable than any previous headset I've used!
5. The dock that comes with the headset is actually quite spectacular! It's so cool that Anker thought of a storage location for your Bluetooth Headset that can also be used as a charging dock! It comes with 2 mounts; 1 to mount it to your vent in your vehicle (GENIUS idea) and 1 to mount it just about anywhere else (using 3M tape). The coolest thing about this dock is that it puts your Headset into sleep mode and wakes it up automatically, whether a charger is hooked up or not! If your phone starts ringing, you pickup the Headset from the dock and by the time you get it in your ear it has turned on, connected to your phone, and automatically answered your call for you! How SWEET is that??? I was initially skeptical about the practical use of a Bluetooth Headset charging dock, but man oh man, that was a GREAT idea Anker! VERY pleased with this feature!!!
6. You also received a micro USB charging cable that can be hooked to any USB power source (car charger, wall charger, computer). The cable can be plugged into the charging dock or directly into the Headset...the dock is NOT required to charge the Headset. Thanks to Anker for that as well!
There was very little I didn't like about the Anker Wireless Bluetooth Headset. Here are a couple of things that didn't quite measure up:
1. The manual included with the Headset had one mistake about the color of the LED on the charging dock, with it listed as Yellow (page 6 of the manual), when it is in fact Blue. This was a welcome mistake, as I love Blue LEDs...however, I wondered momentarily if my dock was defective and not charging the Headset...as if the LED was supposed to change from Yellow to Blue after the charge had completed. This was not the case and the dock was working just fine!
2. The Answer/End button on the Headset is a little loose. While this does not impede the functionality of the Headset in any way whatsoever, I noticed it almost immediately, and it took away ever so slightly from the otherwise impeccable build quality that I've come to expect from Anker.
3. Much of the finish on the headset and dock is a polish black plastic. I found this to be a fingerprint magnet and somewhat detrimental to my OCD tendencies to have my devices fingerprint free! LOL! I would have liked those areas to have had a brushed aluminum look or a rubberized coating. This is, of course, completely subjective to me and my preferences.
Overall, I can't help but give this Anker Bluetooth Headset 5 stars! The functionality, features, and quality of this Headset are superb! I would happily buy this headset at it's current price and believe it will be one that you can enjoy for years to come! Plus, with Anker's 18 month warranty, you can rest easy knowing that any problems you were to have would be remedied quickly and efficiently! Buy this headset today! You won't regret it!
Get it here: http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Blue...g-Microphone/dp/B00CIRGHQO/ref=cm_rdp_product