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No NETFLIX for Thunderbolt?

I just saw a video on Engadget stating that The netflix app need PRE-INSTALLED keys on a snapdragon chip. And if thee keys arent installed by OEM you cant play netflix on the phone.
Way to go Android!!
I guess iphone has had the keys for a year now! Wow Steve Jobs has these companys by the balls!
Fragmentation sux!!! Now im second guessing getting the thunderbolt.

The TB isn't even out yet so don't make assumptions, besides I'm sure it still possible in the long run
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Check the video on engadget. Also the app is months away. So it 100% the keys arent installed. The guy in the video clearly states that the HTC EVO cant do Netflix!
HUGE BUMMER!!! Windows Phone 7 has netflix and with a 00001% user base but android doesnt???
Come on man!!

BigBonkers said:
Check the video on engadget. Also the app is months away. So it 100% the keys arent installed. The guy in the video clearly states that the HTC EVO cant do Netflix!
HUGE BUMMER!!! Windows Phone 7 has netflix and with a 00001% user base but android doesnt???
Come on man!!
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The app not being out yet has nothing to do with the keys being installed or not. Qualcom has stated that there chips will support Netflix, not sure where you are getting that the keys will "100% not be installed".
Also the chip in the EVO is completely different from the one in the TB. The TB has the 2nd Gen SnapDragon. So the EVO not being able to do Netflix has nothing to do with the TB being able to do it or not.

The problem with Android is it may be less secure, you know with people hacking apps and flash, help we have hulu for free on Android because of it so maybe netflix is a bit weary
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I remember a quote saying that qualcomm chips would be the first to see Netflix on android. I imagine it's possible that they've been installing the required keys on the latest processors, but that kind of forward-thinking benevolence doesn't seem very realistic, unfortunately.
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Its just heart breaking man. I really dont give a snot about netflix but its the point....i want the option. WP7 doesnt deserve it!!!!

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I remember a quote saying that qualcomm chips would be the first to see Netflix on android. I imagine it's possible that they've been installing the required keys on the latest processors, but that kind of forward-thinking benevolence doesn't seem very realistic, unfortunately.
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I would think though that they have been talking about this since it was in development, this has probably been in development for a year or two at least. I don't think Netfix is going to release an app for android without the phones to support it. That would be horrible for business, you would want the most amount of people possible to be able to use your product.

Its the fragmentation and Androids unwillingness to protect The DEV's products with DRM and such

What is the big issue with hulu and netflix? Surely there are alternate places to get your TV show fix since we have flash enabled, right?

i am on the iphone 4 but looking to get the thunderbolt or bionic and this is one of the reasons i dont want to switch yet i know its a small reason but i'd rather love the phone than like it

According to the spec sheet, I picked up today from Verizon, VOD will include Blockbuster.

Netflix only requires DRM security on the chipset which the TB has. However, I dont think Froyo supports DRM as the DRM SDK/API is only available on Gingerbread and Honeycomb. I dont know if there's a software work-around for this though. I'd expect the TB to have Gingerbread by summer and Netflix is still a few months out from release anyhow... plenty of time...

Actually i think netflix streams a video........blockbuster app downloads it then plays it. I had it on my droid x....you pay per flick..... its not a monthly thing.... Complete garbage and the wait was horrible.

CHOPES: That's not the issue. Absolutely there are other places which are...dubious at best. The issue is that Android (meaning Google) doesn't want to stand up to the MPAA who are putting pressure on Netflix to make sure the environment is locked down against all us "thieves" out there. ;-)
It's the same attitude that linux users, myself included, have to battle all the time. Just because we choose to use an OS that's not there's and some people have busted their copy protection that means all of us will do that.
I'd blame delays in the software development as much as on the handset development. I would sure hope that ANY 4G phone would be capable of streaming Netflix eventually even if they currently aren't.
Robert
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I would agree that once the software is sorted out the TB oughta be able to do it. this article http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/lg-revolution-dumps-tegra-2-chooses-1ghz-snapdragon-msm8655-ins/ says that lg used the Revolution as their phone to demo Netflix, AND it is using the exact same Snapdragon (MSM8655) that's in the Thunderbolt, so it seems to me that the Thunderbolt should have the DRM stuff in the chipset too .

I can't believ e people are *****ing about playing movies on a phone lmfao

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I can't believ e people are *****ing about playing movies on a phone lmfao
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1) This isn't just a phone, "it's your phone after your next phone" -- couldnt resist, sorry....
2) Some people come in here and laugh at people who want to play games on their "phone" and say that's what a PSP or DS is for....
Really, it isn't just a "phone" or everyone here, including you, would own a standard flip phone. We buy and pay for these phones to get the MOST that we can out of them. We want a do-it-all phone... or at least the best that current tech can provide.
10 years ago, people were paying $200+ for portable 4-5" TV players.
With all your posts, I cant believe you'd come crashing into this thread so harsh-like.
edit: ALSO you're a rom builder, the elite of users who want the most of their phone... that makes your harsh statement that must more odd and confusing.

kenyu73 said:
1) This isn't just a phone, "it's your phone after your next phone" -- couldnt resist, sorry....
2) Some people come in here and laugh at people who want to play games on their "phone" and say that's what a PSP or DS is for....
Really, it isn't just a "phone" or everyone here, including you, would own a standard flip phone. We buy and pay for these phones to get the MOST that we can out of them. We want a do-it-all phone... or at least the best that current tech can provide.
10 years ago, people were paying $200+ for portable 4-5" TV players.
With all your posts, I cant believe you'd come crashing into this thread so harsh-like.
edit: ALSO you're a rom builder, the elite of users who want the most of their phone... that makes your harsh statement that must more odd and confusing.
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Dude I was only kidding relax.. just cuz I don't use it for that I understand people do geez.. was just joking
fueled by Red Sox Nation

tazzpatriot said:
Dude I was only kidding relax.. just cuz I don't use it for that I understand people do geez.. was just joking
fueled by Red Sox Nation
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My bad... Boston will do that.

[Q] Should I Buy?

So I have my G1, and it's getting old. Support is there, but the hardware can only do so much. So I'm considering getting a MT4Gs. A good friend of mine got it, but she's want's an iPhone. So whats a good price to pay for this phone? I was thinking $200-350. Is this phone even worth buying? I'm getting it because I love hardware keyboards, and a good camera. Does this phone truly have that? Any help is good help.

Yes the keyboard and camera are great, and anywhere around $300 is a great price if it's in good condition!

For that price I would seriously consider buying a second one.
If you like video games, then you should take a gander through the tv-out thread. The future of video-gaming is here now, in this phone.
With a dual-core 1.2 snapdragon processor and enough ram to handle multiple anything you throw at it, this phone is insane. Anyone who's seen firsthand what I can do with it wants one.
If there's one of these in the hands of someone who wants a (comparatively) crappy iPhone, rescue it.

Yes get it. You still have your G1? Man you know how to take care of a phone.
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Get the doubleshot. It's an awesome phone. And its smooth as butter. Stock ROM sucks ass but a custom ROM fixes that issue right up.
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I actually think the stock rom isn't that bad, but I did change my launcher to Launcher Pro.
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I actually think the stock rom isn't that bad, but I did change my launcher to Launcher Pro.
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I can second this. Now that I'm using Pure Calendar, I've got to see about using Launcher Pro again. The only issue is that I can't use the Sense Weather widget on LP+

raduque said:
I can second this. Now that I'm using Pure Calendar, I've got to see about using Launcher Pro again. The only issue is that I can't use the Sense Weather widget on LP+
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I also am bummed about the Sense Weather widget..but I have been using Fancy Widgets...the paid version....tons of weather clock skins....

I have one for sale in the marketplace. I decided to stick with my sensation. It's perm rooted and s off if anyone is interested.
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I say go for it. I'm loving mine. Stock works great, but it's really awesome when you de-bloat it. Smooth as heck, won't be obsolete anytime soon (hopefully not).
And why hasn't anyone mentioned the super awesome CAMERA? Major selling point there as well. No lag.
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I had a G1 before this phone and this phone is a huge leap ahead of the G1. If you can get one for that price I wouldn't hesitate.
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I have seen several on CL in the $300-$400 range

I pm you about the phone.
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This is the best android phone (with Keyboard) I found on the market... 8MP Camera + Many other features... a must buy for new comers + old ones.

First of all let me say that I'm Really glade I found this site! Kudos to all of you.
My motorola cliq got wet and died the other day and I was really trying to find another phone w/ a d-pad but they seem to be a thing of the past. I'm seriously considering getting the slide(Doubleshot), I really like the dedicated keyboards...I will say that if HTC had put a d-pad on the left side of the keyboard this phone would be a total no brainer!!!... Even better, put 4 or even just 2 dedicated game buttons on the right hand side and there would be no stopping this phone..can anyone say nes emulator godsend? Unfortunately the cliq's processor couldn't handle games and for some reason motorola deiced to do away with the d-pad on the cliq II, Why motorola, why? Wonder how easy it would be to swap in a d-pad on the slide, although my soldiering skills are a bit lacking. One can dream though

maxwil said:
First of all let me say that I'm Really glade I found this site! Kudos to all of you.
My motorola cliq got wet and died the other day and I was really trying to find another phone w/ a d-pad but they seem to be a thing of the past. I'm seriously considering getting the slide(Doubleshot), I really like the dedicated keyboards...I will say that if HTC had put a d-pad on the left side of the keyboard this phone would be a total no brainer!!!... Even better, put 4 or even just 2 dedicated game buttons on the right hand side and there would be no stopping this phone..can anyone say nes emulator godsend? Unfortunately the cliq's processor couldn't handle games and for some reason motorola deiced to do away with the d-pad on the cliq II, Why motorola, why? Wonder how easy it would be to swap in a d-pad on the slide, although my soldiering skills are a bit lacking. One can dream though
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Don't even have to go that far.
My complaint lies along the lines of yours, which is no d-pad, but more specifically - no arrow keys.
Fear not, XDA to the rescue with a solution.
If you slide open the keyboard, you will notice at the bottom that you have 4 buttons:
Genius, Back, Menu and Home.
These are the same 4 buttons you have at the bottom of the screen on the front face of the phone.
When the keyboard is open, both sets of buttons work. This means that if you just took out the 4 duplicates on the hardware keyboard, you wouldn't lose any functionality of the phone.
Solution is at hand: Remap the 4 buttons at the bottom of the hardware keyboard to correspond with left, right, up and down.
The way I ended up making it was:
Home = Up ... It kinda looks like it's pointing up...
Menu = Down ... This one picture-wise is just off...oh well...
Back = Left ... It looks like it...
Genius = Right ... The tail of the G points right, right? ....
I can't tell you how much time, effort and energy this has saved me since i've done it.
Read through this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192282
It has everything you need to do what I just described. It's much easier to edit on the device with Root Explorer.
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Also, about game emulators - I picked up some a while back, to play my old NES and SNES games with on my Nook - this phone takes it to a whole other level. RCA cable plugged into the TV from the headphones jack, and the phone becomes an interactive controller for the game on the TV screen.
Original mario, contra, tetris? yep. Looking at the useless NES game cartridges physically sitting in front of me, with no system to play them on and my phone breathes new life into games I grew up with.
Starfox ... on my phone ... on a TV...I don't have to take my SNES with me to play it at a friends house...just my phone.
This phone is the future of gaming, right now in your hand. I've said that a few times, here and elsewhere, but it's true. The CPU and GPU on this device were built with precisely this idea in mind, to put the console/controller in the persons hand with direct access to a market 24/7. It works great for the consumers and the producers. This device is the first phone capable of this act interactively, with a live screen, and so sets itself apart as the prototype for a generation.
I am blown away with what this phone can do, and once we get kernel source it's gonna be a whole new game.
I ordered a bluetooth controller, should be here in a few days. I know it won't work, but that's going to force me to figure out how to make it happen. I dislike having to pass around my phone as a controller. For myself, that's fine...but at parties...
I also refuse to play games like mortal kombat, where i'm trained to use pressure while playing. I don't want to use too much pressure on the screen, and won't let others play who I know will. A bluetooth controller solves this problem, because then I could plug the phone in to the TV and leave it by the TV, and just pass around a $16 bluetooth generic controller. Much, much preferred.
Meantime, the phone acts as a fantastic controller, and with an ipod A/V cable you can plug into any monitor with RCA ( red, white, yellow ) connections.

Yea, I will definitely check out the tv thing sounds promising, I have read a few things about using a wii controller thru blue-tooth, looks promising...im not completely against re-mapping a few keys(easy enough to do) but I still think diagonal positions would be hard seeing as you would have to press 2 keys at once. That and growing up w/ a nintendo controller I have just gotten use to a d-pad. It would really suck to have to drag around a controller every where you go tho just to play a game here and there. I know I cant be alone in the thinking that the slide has plenty of room on the keyboard to put a simple d-pad and 2 game buttons on the other side, not really sure why the phone manufactures haven't figured this out as well, seems rather simple to me.

[Q] Mytouch 4g or mytouch 4g slide?

What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?

Mytouch 4G slide it has a better processor and runs overall way more smooth
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES

armo4444 said:
Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Get the Slide, Its better all around and yes you can remap the keys once you s off and root. Go here http://revolutionary.io
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.

armo4444 said:
Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Go here for more info http://revolutionary.io
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Ill explain. S off is a short for secruity off. Htc devices have a secruity radio in them to prevent modification. Once this is off the phone is open to rooted apps kernals and custom roms
You want the slide for sure it has a dual core processor. I game a lot and have not had any lag issues ever.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.

armo4444 said:
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it's no doubt to choose slide.
better cpu and the smooth QWERTY

I'd go with the mt4gs because it has a better processor, screen, and other "updated" features from the mt4g. The gaming would be nicer because of the better processor, dual core, etc.

Blue6IX said:
Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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dung8604 said:
How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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Yep, you got it.
You won't find any official documentation on it (but if you do, please share!) - the TV-out capability is what finally sold me on the device. ( I wanted it anyway, but that was the clincher)
Couldn't be happier with any other piece of cellular technology then this device, and the TV thing really is just plug and play...i'll plug in to the TV in the middle of a game without lag and keep right on cruising.
I keep saying that this should have been the selling point for the phone, and yet...not a whisper about it from HTC.

yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.

leoilios said:
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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I'm definitely thinking that the bluetooth controller is the final answer. I don't like the idea of passing around my phone as the controller to other people. It's fine for my use, but out and about other people want to play too...I don't like handing this device over to other people.
I keep having other things spring up in front of me that have to be handled first with this phone, but seeing what's up with the bluetooth controller issue is very close on my list. Sometime in the next week a person I work on android stuff with in my neighborhood is trying to bring his wii controllers over so we can sit down with our phones and tablets and make a day out of learning what we don't know.
Ultimately, i'd like to get a sixaxis controller working on the device - for all I know it works out of the box with the market app, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think I remember someone posting about it a few weeks ago - and looking into it briefly it seemed like a dead end without kernel source.
Now that we have it, a lot of postponed projects are being woken up in sequence, and having someone to sit down and bounce ideas off of with for a solid day or three is something i'm really looking forward to.
Because really, that's the answer. Walk up to the TV and plug into the audio/video, set the game up, and leave the phone by the TV and play from the couch with a bluetooth controller.
Just like in the old days, when you had to walk up to the system to change games and stuff.
Also, I refuse to play things like the original mortal kombat where i'm trained through and through to include excess pressure on the buttons. Since it's a much more delicate device then an old 8-bit controller...I know i'll break it.
Having a real controller would solve that problem and let me play some of the games on my emulator that are staring me in the face sitting here. All the games I grew up with...and no hardware to run it on. Then this phone comes along, and I can play my old console games on the TV again.

Love this website.
Gotta love how the makers of the phones and os's spend all this time tryin to lock people out from changing them and then there is this website where all these people know how to do almost anything to these new/old phone. I love you guys lol, this is by far the best website to be on to get info about your phone.
If it wasnt for all of you my tilt2 woulda been borin I meen more boring..
I have recently upgraded (lol) to a mytouch 4g slide and it is a very nice phone.
A whole new ballgame for me to figure out how to make it custom, should be fun

Don't worry you came the the right place. The sticky in general has information on everything you'll need to know or click my sig. Welcome to the mt4g slide
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MT4GS or Vision

I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.

i had (have) a g2, i just got a mytouch4g slide this morning and got it rooted already, their isn't much dev works since the kernal source hasn't been released yet. the g2 has alot of great roms out for it, i loved it. im missing miui sooo much till i get on the mt4gs, but i'll wait and play with my dual core and camera for a bit. =]

Just my luck
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?

Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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Doubleshot is far superior to G2 so I would get it.
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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...

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but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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Get the Anker batteries mentioned in the Accessories board. Also, give the AOSP team time to create a vanilla/CM build for the Doubleshot.

elamarkant said:
but the battery...
If I play my doubleshot for an hour HSPA and an hour games like asphalt/abdcution, it'll be hard for the battery to hold on before I'm off my work...
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So bring an extra battery or a charger and your problem is solved

ChocolateShein said:
HTC released the MyTouch 4G Slide's kernel source just an hour ago. Does this mean we'll see much more development for the phone?
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yep! that's what it looks like is going to happen. time for some overclocking on this processor =P

god, im ready to really unleash the power of this dual core phone.. =D

ChocolateShein said:
I looked up some GSM Android sliders and the Doubleshot came up as the latest and greatest Android slider. I wanted to buy it, except browsing these forums showed little to no development on it. No CM7 or MIUI, or anything. I want to know if the superior specs of this phone make up for it over the HTC Vision.
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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.

Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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Droidmoder said:
Forgot to mention tv out. I love this feature and didn't even know I had it until I messed around.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.

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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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Not practical are you nuts? I watch netflix on my tv everynight not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games.
Not to mention a longer cord can be purchased. As well as rca 3 prong will work with older and new tvs hdmi will not unless another adapter is purchased. The picture is great quality too.
If we use your logic, looking at this small screen for an hour is just as bad as sitting six feet from a tv. Talk about a bad case of blurred vision ,headache and possible decrease in long range vision (nearsighted).
No offence but that was a dumb comment and I rarely say that.
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If it had an HDMI output (that worked in 1080p60), and the ability to decode and playback a reasonable variety of media formats, that feature would be worth mentioning, because it would actually have a use.
Sitting 6" back from an NTSC TV is bad for your brain. Why not just look at the phone screen? The TV out on that hardware is simply not practical.
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I just got another cord to extend it. I can sit up to 18 feet back now.
Even when i'm not using it, it's still hooked up to a tv i've gotten and placed next to my desk in my work area (i've never owned a tv before...leave it to a phone to make me want one). I play music through it on the tv generally.
It's also good to have the system up on a larger screen sitting next to my computers so I can work with it more efficiently.
The idea of being restricted to a 6 foot cable is not so great, but it's a very cheap and easy solution you can fix at any radio shack, best buy, walmart, etc...
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... not to mention emulators I play as well as going to test out a bluetooth controller as some other members are doing for games....
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Are you interested in working together on this?
I have someone (finally...no real-life computer friends...) who is willing/able to sit down and figure it out with me. He wants to attach his wii controllers to his phone, so I have that piece of hardware to work with and two phones + a Nook Color to test it out on.
I ordered a sixaxis controller, but the order got all screwed up and i'm gonna have to deal with paypal to get my money back. I hate ebay, and usually stick with amazon, but the price seemed too good. When I can afford to try again i'll get one.
I haven't actually sat down and put all the random info together yet, but i've got a pile of raw data waiting to be sifted through.
Shoot me a pm if you're interested and we can go from there, but i'm gonna sit down with my new computer friend next week and spend a whole day - maybe two - working on this exclusively.
It may just work right away with no tweaking (lol) but if not we'd need kernel source to fix the problem. Now that we have it it's worth looking into, and this is one of those projects that got put on hold until source dropped. Starting to dust off the old ideas and run them now.

If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.

dhkr234 said:
If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Its not a crazy hack lol. Droid does.
I guess some people don't understand the true potentials android has to offer.
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If you're that diehard about your video games, grab a console, $100-$150, and it works proper, not some crazy hack with a phone. As for netflix... same game console does that too.
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Why should I buy a console that either has a history of hardware issues or a EULA that is offensive in the extreme? Particularly when I have a phone that will do the same things?
There is nothing any console on the market has that I want that my phone can't already do.

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Personal point of view on this question;
I have an HTC VISION. I got it at xmas time last year, its an excellent phone, excellent knowledge base, excellent development, and I am totally satisfied.
As the owner of an HTC VISION, I don't see any particular reason to change the hardware at this time. Not to an HTC DOUBLESHOT or to anything else.
The HTC VISION and DOUBLESHOT are fairly similar phones. In many respects, virtually identical. Consider the DOUBLESHOT basically as the upgraded VISION. It has a faster processor, more RAM, and a FRONT FACING CAMERA. If the details of the standard camera are of particular interest to you, it is also enhanced over the VISION, but for my use, this is irrelevant (I use phone camera for emergency stuff, like if some douchebag crashes into me, I use it to take evidence shots, etc., all my *real* photography is done with a REAL CAMERA).
Now my GF, amazing as she may be, had some stupid fruity piece of crap when we met, I don't know, it was labelled something like iTurd. Anyway, a few minutes of exposure to my HTC VISION, and she suddenly realized what a piece of garbage her phone was, so off to buy an HTC DOUBLESHOT. Nice phone, very slick, definite upgrade from VISION and highly recommended IF YOU'RE PURCHASING NEW. The difference isn't *that* big that I would actually be willing to fork out any money to upgrade, but there is a definite difference.
Of course, it came with that SENSE cruft. Though still better than that iCrap, it is a definite downer. Undeadk9 saved me a WHOLE LOT OF WORK by building his mostly-senseless system image (THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!), which makes the phone *bearable*. The kernel source now being available, hopefully this will move right along and we can get a TRULY proper system image for this excellent hardware, but it isn't there quite yet.
At this point, I would DEFINITELY recommend that acquisitions be of HTC DOUBLESHOT rather than VISION, though both are *excellent* phones. For anybody who ALREADY HAS an HTC VISION, keep it.
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Thanks for the info. I'm purchasing the phone new, so the Doubleshot sounds nice. The camera is a welcome feature for me, since I don't want to have to carry around an actual camera. Unfortunately, most of the Doubleshot's camera features come with Sense, although I don't mind sense too much.

Hardcore Gaming

So I am a huge android gamer. I do not have a pc except at work and i do not have any console systems at home. I am really loving the development that is going on with some stuff Ive seen. Unity 3d and cloud gaming is gonna be huge i think.
My goal with this thread is to try to gather some of us android gamers together. I play all day at work and at home. I need something more than Modern Combat 4 haha. Its a great game but im looking for some huge sprawler. I have seen wildblood from gameloft, looks amazing. I am trying to figure out what people are playing on this device. maybe develop a little support thread for us gamers to unite and share what we have found with each other. I havent really been able to find anything about it anywhere for our device. seems all the attention is always on the one x. our phones are powerful....lets unleash it!

I agree. I'm down to play whatever multi player/coop games we have. Let me know!!
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I would be too. I guess MC4 multi is only on wifi, but im sure there are some good things out there. I really am sort of enjoying Aralon. Played it?

Am i to assume that really no one plays any games on our device?!

Its too small to do any serious gaming on

What do you mean too small? I play stuff on it all the time. Classic games for sure. I even tried OnLive and demoed the free demo for Darksiders 2 and it worked awesome. Im trying to figure out pairing my ps3 controller for better use, but you could even do mhl out and play dead trigger and whatnot with a ps3 controller. Havent heard of the Ouya? well our phone is powerful as well, i see no need to buy a console when i have one in my hand.
Figuring out compatibility with games that I know the unit could run, i.e. Horn and Six Guns. Let me know if anyone is interested in this as well, I think we should work together as I see no real gaming support community out there. If anyone knows one please let me know.

Too small: When using touchkeys, your fingers covers half the screen and you cant see where youre going
Controller, sure, but unless you have one that can dock the phone, you face another problem - the screen is too far away and therefore too small.
Now a tablet on the other hand have plenty of space for your fingers and can easily be seen when using a controller
So, therefore: The One S is too small for serious gaming
Edit: Whats wrong with six guns? Seems to work just fine?

gameklip acttaches phone to controller. i can play fine with touch controls, maybe youre not a good gamer.

woa that was uncalled for. In that case - maybe youre an 8 year old girl with paperthin fingers?

maybe, im just saying that why should i have multiple devices? i already have a powerful device.

No one said that. You asked if you were to assume nobody played games on the one S, and I answered "its too small" as the reason as to why I dont play 'hardcore' on it.
And Im sure Im not alone.

well thats a great answer i guess. Now as far as people that would actually like to do so? any input there?