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Decepticon Boot

Saw this works for us as well as long as on Froyo or Darchdroid. I thought was pretty sweet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6825204&postcount=1

works good the code at the end is just a little big on my screen. maybe we can tweak it

what if youre on fresh :\

primerib said:
what if youre on fresh :\
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then it wont work out the box, you'll have to change it.

What would we have to do to make this work on Fresh 2.3.3? I've never messed with bootscreens like this so I have no idea. This is possibly one of the coolest boots I've seen though.

I'm curious about this also.

I would love to have this for Fresh or RegawMOD
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prezmater said:
I would love to have this for Fresh or RegawMOD
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I think boot.img's are diffrent for sense and non-sense roms. just a guess. cause i see when people make them for sense they say they don't work on vanilla roms or visa versa. so i think you'd have to make a whole new one.

daPorkchop said:
I think boot.img's are diffrent for sense and non-sense roms. just a guess. cause i see when people make them for sense they say they don't work on vanilla roms or visa versa. so i think you'd have to make a whole new one.
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I am new to all of this, so I just read and research until I find stuff that works. I also have to be very careful not to brick my phone.

Thank you for this! It is better than the merging nexus one logo IMO. A little big on the hero, but who cares. If only it had some sound

daPorkchop said:
I think boot.img's are diffrent for sense and non-sense roms. just a guess. cause i see when people make them for sense they say they don't work on vanilla roms or visa versa. so i think you'd have to make a whole new one.
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correct, i ripped apart fresh2.3.3 and he has a boot1.gif in the /system/media/bootanimation folder
on darch and froyo they have a bootanimation.zip in the /system/media folder. my guess is to take all the images in the bootanimation.zip in the part0 and possibly part1 folder stitch them together in photoshop(you can resize here too) make an animated gif, open in gimp and deoptimize then resave as animated gif. name boot1.gif and push to the /system/media/bootanimation folder.

i just adb pushed this to /system/media on zen exp and it works and it's bad ass

I can confirm this works on nfinitefx45 Rom...
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thatguythatdid said:
i just adb pushed this to /system/media on zen exp and it works and it's bad ass
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I can also confirm this method as working by doing the same using Fresh 2.3.3 (a sense UI based rom also). Happy booting decepticons!

I tried pushing this after I installed the CS6 test 4 with no luck. I still get the custom boot that was originally on it and DD2.7. After I push it, it shows that it was successful and give the size of the file transferred, but when I reboot I get the same one.

i pushed a custom gif using the images in this boot and it was either blank or it was small and different pixels like it was a bad res any ideas how to get it to work im using fresh 2.3.3

awesome guys glad you found an easier fix. for the froyo user i pushed it just fine i'm on cm6 test 4. pm me if you need help.

I'll try to retry it here in a few hours when I get off work. If I am still unsuccessful, I'll send you a PM. It's good to find another Kansan on here.

I figured out my problem, since I had just redone my Hero with the new CS ROM, I forgot to turn on USB debugging. Retried the steps and was successful.

Nice glad you got it going.
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I figured out my problem, since I had just redone my Hero with the new CS ROM, I forgot to turn on USB debugging. Retried the steps and was successful.
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Looking for testers

I notice theres no custom roms yet or anything. I'm not a skilled dev or anything but right now im throwing together a deodexed stock rom, as well as a 1% battery mod.
I don't have a sidekick (my girlfriend does) so I cannot test it. Anyone willing to be my guinea pig?
I partially used a script with my deodexing since i dont have much time today so there might be a few FC's on some apps.
Maybe once I get more familiar with kernels and stuff i'll try and make a fully custom rom/kernel. I need a hobby anyways .
Or should I just post it up in the dev forum with giant red warning letters?
"Why are you here if you don't have a sidekick?" I have an epic4g and Learned a bit about android dev from there. The devs there are great and have the job covered. This is a new phone and and empty forum, figured i'd try and start off here and maybe my girl will let me put a rom i made on her phone :3
EDIT: PM me or post for a download link

I'm willing to test
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lol if it won't brick it.. i'm down. just waiting on a new device.. current one is getting returned.

Port the touchwiz from epic 4g!!
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Uploading right now.
It wont brick you, it doesn't overwrite any recovery or anything. Be sure to make a nandroid backup before flashing.
Oh and its prerooted of course.
edit: for a disclaimer i'll put it most likely wont brick you but flash at your own risk in case it does

Alright cool. I finally got clockwork working for me fully. Ready to test this out
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You guys are running CWM 2.5.1.0 right?

blu9987 said:
You guys are running CWM 2.5.1.0 right?
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Yup
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Delaying this until I can look into a few things

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Delaying this until I can look into a few things
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So this is pretty much the same as every other base ota rom? Do we need another?
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Rooster85 said:
So this is pretty much the same as every other base ota rom? Do we need another?
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No it's not the same, it's not rooted or tampered with, and the installation method is different. If you want to completely unroot your phone go flash the stock ruu
We don't need people like you complaining about roms you don't like, but you don't see me posting about that now do you?

The rom link is finished, and please don't flame me for sharing this "stock" "untampered" ota rom, thanks!

Thank you sir.......

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Thank you sir.......
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Np, I worked hard on getting the updater script to where it needs to be
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sparksco said:
No it's not the same, it's not rooted or tampered with, and the installation method is different. If you want to completely unroot your phone go flash the stock ruu
We don't need people like you complaining about roms you don't like, but you don't see me posting about that now do you?
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Me? Talk ****? Nahh never! Did you just get butthurt about the interwebs? I was simply asking if your rom was different than the other 6 new OTA roms we have. You got offended, not my problem!
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Rooster85 said:
Me? Talk ****? Nahh never! Did you just get butthurt about the interwebs? I was simply asking if your rom was different than the other 6 new OTA roms we have. You got offended, not my problem!
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I already answered your question, and the answer is yes
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Rooster85 said:
Me? Talk ****? Nahh never! Did you just get butthurt about the interwebs? I was simply asking if your rom was different than the other 6 new OTA roms we have. You got offended, not my problem!
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You did ask if we needed another. A RUU is essential for every official update IMHO

Yeah TBH, I just made this for myself to safely flash the official ruu to see how it runs without loosing my eng spl and custom recovery. And I must say it does seem to run very well for me
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sparksco said:
Yeah TBH, I just made this for myself to safely flash the official ruu to see how it runs without loosing my eng spl and custom recovery. And I must say it does seem to run very well for me
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If I flash this will I return to full stock (no cwm recovery and s-on)? Sorry to ask but I just wanna be extra sure. Thanks for your hard work! Your aosp kernel is a beast! Unbelievably fast!
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drob311 said:
If I flash this will I return to full stock (no cwm recovery and s-on)? Sorry to ask but I just wanna be extra sure. Thanks for your hard work! Your aosp kernel is a beast! Unbelievably fast!
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No you will not loose those things. The first post describes how to get into bootloader after flashing the update. Only your system partition (rom) and kernel will be the official ruu images.

I just noticed there may be a problem with the name of the .zip. There is a gap in the name so you will probably have to rename it and delete the gap in order for the recovery to be able to flash it.
I will work on fixing it later on but for now renaming it won't hurt the update at all

Thanks again, you have just created my new "fall back plan"...
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Yeah this is good to unroot back to the latest factory update
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This is also good for devs to get a chance to try the stock ota if they want to mess around with it. That was the main reason for this update. Hopefully someone will help to get the bootloader unlocked for people who buy a new evo shift . But luckily this update doesn't already have the locked bootloader in it
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I just flashed this, and with all my problems, it flashed, but when i reboot, i get to the sprint splash screen, and it just blinks there. So I am currently restoring back to my problematic rom. How can I get the blinking away? That's the only problem.

Are you wiping your system partition?
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the updater-script wipes system, data, so that is strange.
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If I had to guess id say hardware issues, either that or RUU and see if the problem still [email protected]
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[Q] got adb and sdk up now need some quick assistance ;)

hey guys i am new to the htc game been in the moto game for a while took a step down from the bionic to this not the best idea but no choice was doing a bit of developing working on the miui port for bionic and plan to try and get a ics miui port over here!!!
question here is i am trying to get this baby rooted and do some modding and see what is going to have to be done to get some roms on this baby!!! and release some.. I am actually got sdk and adb set up finally trying to follow this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1558532 and not sure on all of the detail do i need to put both the img file and the taco-root file in the rot of the sd and how do i downgrade or do i actually need to do that and cwm?? do i just flash that via rom manager and unrooting proccess is that pretty simple?

Bfitz26 said:
hey guys i am new to the htc game been in the moto game for a while took a step down from the bionic to this not the best idea but no choice was doing a bit of developing working on the miui port for bionic and plan to try and get a ics miui port over here!!!
question here is i am trying to get this baby rooted and do some modding and see what is going to have to be done to get some roms on this baby!!! and release some.. so i am on andorid 2.3.3 sense 2.1 software 2.76.651.5 kernal 2.6.35.10 build 2.76.651.1.5 i know sometimes software versions differer in how to get rooted and the proccess of full s off can some one please point me in the direction of rooting this baby!!? with of coarse cwm or amon recovery what every you guys use over here.. ill make it worth your while i promise..
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This post has the best links for ya... I personally prefer to do the downgrade manually.
You won't regret this device, trust me ... It says 800mhz on the box but I run at 1ghz and most shifts are overclockable to 1.8-1.9ghz. Sense isn't too bad either, i.m.o, way better than blur. Look forward to seeing ya around the forums! :beer:
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don't think you understood the question..

Bfitz26 said:
don't think you understood the question..
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Since you are on 2.3.3 you will have to downgrade hboot and root from froyo. The link I posted goes to a post with links. The first link of that post is the one you are looking for...
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ok sorry not familiar with down grading i usually just flash a tar file or run a windows batch file that automatically roots and runs the scripts automatically for you..

Bfitz26 said:
ok sorry not familiar with down grading i usually just flash a tar file or run a windows batch file that automatically roots and runs the scripts automatically for you..
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There are some batch scripts made by the developer Indirect... I believe the first link I posted has a link to that script as well... Its not difficult, just take your time and be patient...
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the first link goes to a paypal site 2nd link is going to just a general xda site and the third goes to a hboot downgrade..

Bfitz26 said:
the first link goes to a paypal site 2nd link is going to just a general xda site and the third goes to a hboot downgrade..
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Check this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255474
Or this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1357157
And there's one more link to a script but I cant find it right now.
Like Drob said, to be able to get full s-off you'll have to downgrade your Hboot using one of the above mentioned methods. Or you could upgrade to 2.3.4 and use HTC's half ass unlock tool.
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cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..

Welcome to the shift section. We are the best community around . Enjoy unleashing the beast within. The shift is extremely underrated
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Bfitz26 said:
cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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I guess technically you dont have to use sdk/adb.. Im sure you could use terminal to temp root and push the misc.img, then use ShiftRR (an automated root for 2.2.) once you have ruu'ed.
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crump84 said:
I guess technically you dont have to use sdk/adb.. Im sure you could use terminal to temp root and push the misc.img, then use ShiftRR (an automated root for 2.2.) once you have ruu'ed.
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Yes, but in the long run it's going to be better to have all that ISH set up anyway .

Just a question and please dont take it the wrong way, but how does one plan on working on deving/porting miui or anything for that matter without the sdk/adb? I feel it is VERY important to have adb setup.
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Bfitz26 said:
cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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Let me know if you have any issues with the bootloader, I've been messing around with it a bit.
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Bfitz26 said:
cool man thanks look like no other way other than use sdk tool and what not slows my pc down whitch is why i don't really like it a whole lot.. at least we have a unlock bootloader..
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There's no need to use the unlock bootloader thing from htc, Indirect (over in the dev section) has a root method for 2.3.4 (if you choose to update to 2.3.4 anyway) that doesnt involve using the unlock tools

one_love_420 said:
Just a question and please dont take it the wrong way, but how does one plan on working on deving/porting miui or anything for that matter without the sdk/adb? I feel it is VERY important to have adb setup.
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thanks for the advise actually i have all tools set up running ubuntu right now have ported miui on bionic still bugs so i am really not a noob at all i am a noob to htc though..

jesuscash said:
There's no need to use the unlock bootloader thing from htc, Indirect (over in the dev section) has a root method for 2.3.4 (if you choose to update to 2.3.4 anyway) that doesnt involve using the unlock tools
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cool man do youy have a link on how to do this ? actually taking my stock shift in for service today phone is constantly freezing on messaging app home screen where ever it feel the need to piss me off might be talking them into giving me a different phone if possible... haven't decided what not the evo though had that phone and returned it in like 5 days!!!

Bfitz26 said:
cool man do youy have a link on how to do this ? actually taking my stock shift in for service today phone is constantly freezing on messaging app home screen where ever it feel the need to piss me off might be talking them into giving me a different phone if possible... haven't decided what not the evo though had that phone and returned it in like 5 days!!!
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Well if your taking it to Sprint. Upgrading it to 2.3.4 is probably one of the first things they'll do. Before they even trouble shoot it . if you end up keeping the device, and they upgrade it. you can use the method suggested above. The link is below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23895078
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i took it to sprint they didn't give me a new phone sigh... and they did some stupid test whitch i know i could have done myself being a hacker and all.. i noticed phone freezing lagging like crazy my epic at the time was wonderful.. but they didn't upgrade firmware at all.. so i guess how would i upgrade to 3.4 ??

Setting>system updates> firmware update.. rooting does solve all the problems that the phone has
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[Q] Stock rooted ROM

I wanted to ask how I could go about taking a rom.zip (pulled from an RUU) and turn it into a stock rooted rom. The phone flashing would be rooted, of course
And if possible, for that process, is it generic? As in, would it work for any phone/stock rom? Or only shift?

CNexus said:
I wanted to ask how I could go about taking a rom.zip (pulled from an RUU) and turn it into a stock rooted rom. The phone flashing would be rooted, of course
And if possible, for that process, is it generic? As in, would it work for any phone/stock rom? Or only shift?
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Well it would be stock Shift so unless modded it would only work for the Shift. Not sure what you're trying to do.

bilgerryan said:
Well it would be stock Shift so unless modded it would only work for the Shift. Not sure what you're trying to do.
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Well what I mean is if I took an equivalent rom.zip from the RUU for another device, then I want to be able to follow generally the same process to make it a stock rom that won't compromise root
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CNexus said:
Well what I mean is if I took an equivalent rom.zip from the RUU for another device, then I want to be able to follow generally the same process to make it a stock rom that won't compromise root
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Good luck with that, it seems like you are doing way too much work for what you are trying to achieve (which I am still a little confused on). Essentially you are trying to port a "stock" ROM from another device, and then rooting it... why go thru all the trouble? That sounds like a headache for no reason. What is the device you are taking the RUU from? Why not just port a rooted stock ROM? Like RemICS for example is basically the stock ROM for the SGS3.

bilgerryan said:
Good luck with that, it seems like you are doing way too much work for what you are trying to achieve (which I am still a little confused on). Essentially you are trying to port a "stock" ROM from another device, and then rooting it... why go thru all the trouble? That sounds like a headache for no reason. What is the device you are taking the RUU from?
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Wait what...noooo thats not what I mean lol
What I'm asking is that lets say I have stock rom.zip for some device, how do I make a rooted version of that rom.zip (no porting, no other mods)
All I want to do is basically be able to reset everything to stock using that rom.zip, but without losing root on the device I'm flashing to
So like this:
Device N's rom.zip > rooted rom.zip for device N > flash rooted rom.zip to device N
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You want to pull the stock Rom out of an RUU, and use it sort of as a wipe Rom? Does that about sound right ?
TEAM MiK
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If all you wanna do is what I did with the latest ota. Download the RUU.exe and open it to its first screen but don't go forward. Then open a the start menu and go to run. Once at the run box type %temp% and hit enter, then find the location of ROM.zip and move it out to the Desktop and close the RUU.exe. now inside the ROM.zip are a few images the RUU uses to flash, so now your gonna wanna take the boot.img and system.img and place them in dsixda kitchens original update folder, then open the dsixda kitchen in cmd and setup a working folder from a ROM and choose the boot.img and system.img. once that's done use the options to add root and busyboox, maybe data/app if you want and that's your rooted stock ota zip :beer:
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If all you wanna do is what I did with the latest ota. Download the RUU.exe and open it to its first screen but don't go forward. Then open a the start menu and go to run. Once at the run box type %temp% and hit enter, then find the location of ROM.zip and move it out to the Desktop and close the RUU.exe. now inside the ROM.zip are a few images the RUU uses to flash, so now your gonna wanna take the boot.img and system.img and place them in dsixda kitchens original update folder, then open the dsixda kitchen in cmd and setup a working folder from a ROM and choose the boot.img and system.img. once that's done use the options to add root and busyboox, maybe data/app if you want and that's your rooted stock ota zip :beer:
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Too good
I knew I had to use dsixda's kitchen because I saw someone mention that in a post but they didn't specify...
But awesome, thanks strapped
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CNexus said:
Too good
I knew I had to use dsixda's kitchen because I saw someone mention that in a post but they didn't specify...
But awesome, thanks strapped
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Not a problem, anything else I'm floating around somewhere most of the time and get email notifications.
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Hey guys, I just asked a question to the EVO folks the I remembered this thread is where I got the idea. What I've done is what Strapped said and took the ROM from the ruu for the EVO and ran it through dsixda's kitchen. It's been running great on my EVO 4g but this morning I had some time and thought I would do some themeing and found there is no systemUI.apk? I even went back to the kitchen and rechecked what I had done earlier but there just isn't one that I can find. Has anyone heard of this before? I would think that with that missing it shouldn't be working at all right?

That doesn't sound right . Are you sure your seeing all the files? I had this happen once, I did not have my settings correct on the Laptop.
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Yea I'm sure. Could it be hidden somehow? Maybe in some odd folder... No one at the EVO is taking me seriously assuming I'm asking a noon like question. :-/
Edit: just for fun, I flashed a modded systemUI last night for this and its in there but nothing has changed. It's the weirdest thing I've come across Android wise.
EDIT2: is it possible the file got mixed in with something else when I deodexed it?
Edit3: I just went through the process again (I'm off work until tomorrow) and there is still no systemUI.apk? What settings on the laptop were you refering to? I can see that file in other ROMs. This is just odd...
Edit4: Ive been looking into this further and I am finding the icons from the systemUI mixed in both the system/framework/framework-res.apk and system/framework/com.htc.rescources.apk so I'm guessing somehow I mixed things together...

That is some creepy stuff
As in how it somehow got chucked in a blender with the framework files
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I can't figure it out. I'd upload it for folks to look at but its for the EVO 4g and no one there is interested.

Chad The Pathfinder said:
I can't figure it out. I'd upload it for folks to look at but its for the EVO 4g and no one there is interested.
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Yeah I saw....man, that community is going extinct even faster than we are
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CNexus said:
Yeah I saw....man, that community is going extinct even faster than we are
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There are still a lot of users, just not many devs... and most of the users are noobs

Chad The Pathfinder said:
Yea I'm sure. Could it be hidden somehow? Maybe in some odd folder... No one at the EVO is taking me seriously assuming I'm asking a noon like question. :-/
Edit: just for fun, I flashed a modded systemUI last night for this and its in there but nothing has changed. It's the weirdest thing I've come across Android wise.
EDIT2: is it possible the file got mixed in with something else when I deodexed it?
Edit3: I just went through the process again (I'm off work until tomorrow) and there is still no systemUI.apk? What settings on the laptop were you refering to? I can see that file in other ROMs. This is just odd...
Edit4: Ive been looking into this further and I am finding the icons from the systemUI mixed in both the system/framework/framework-res.apk and system/framework/com.htc.rescources.apk so I'm guessing somehow I mixed things together...
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Glad you got it sorted. Had way to much on the plate today. Sorry I couldn't get back to you. Had a messed up day.
CNexus said:
That is some creepy stuff
As in how it somehow got chucked in a blender with the framework files
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That one is completely starnge
Chad The Pathfinder said:
I can't figure it out. I'd upload it for folks to look at but its for the EVO 4g and no one there is interested.
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I still have an OG EVO . Tester.
CNexus said:
Yeah I saw....man, that community is going extinct even faster than we are
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bilgerryan said:
There are still a lot of users, just not many devs... and most of the users are noobs
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Yes it is. Quite a few Newbs . Hopefully some will step up and start doing for the community. As happened in the Shift community .

prboy1969 said:
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Yes it is. Quite a few Newbs . Hopefully some will step up and start doing for the community. As happened in the Shift community .
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It's understandable, anymore it is a relatively cheap device to obtain for a starter into Android. I just wish people would read and search before posting... that should be a rule. And this guy (me) should be getting an OG soon.

bilgerryan said:
It's understandable, anymore it is a relatively cheap device to obtain for a starter into Android. I just wish people would read and search before posting... that should be a rule. And this guy (me) should be getting an OG soon.
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Nice . Glad to hear that. As for the reading thing. It is oh so true . But unfortunately most do it later, than sooner.