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Adobe Flash 10?

Back in Nov there was news of a flash player 10 for the G1. Well, its Feb, has there been any word on a release or release date?

Adobe is famous for their vaporware. Knowing how Adobe is with ANY updates to flash, I would say that the chances of a version of flash for the G1 anytime this year are slim to nil.

True, but there really are some great minds at Adobe..
It wont be longer than a few months i dont think.

There was an article about a week ago that said that the reason why we haven't seen flash yet is because the 'lite' version for Windows Mobile is too stripped down while the full desktop version is too demanding. They need to make a version of flash that performs well and is feature rich. This takes A LOT of time and effort to complete.
I would say that when all of the features from cupcake go mainstream, Google will make flash a priority. It's probably on the backburner for now.

apple is on the verge of getting flash 10 too it would really suck ig they got it before android users

Google can't do anything about getting flash to us, except ask for it.
Same thing with Apple. It all depends on Adobe and who they like more.
I've seen videos of flash 10 for the g1. I'm guessing it was a WM version, but we'll just have to wait.

Datruesurfer said:
There was an article about a week ago that said that the reason why we haven't seen flash yet is because the 'lite' version for Windows Mobile is too stripped down while the full desktop version is too demanding. They need to make a version of flash that performs well and is feature rich. This takes A LOT of time and effort to complete.
I would say that when all of the features from cupcake go mainstream, Google will make flash a priority. It's probably on the backburner for now.
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Haha dude, that was Apple that said that about Flash for the iPhone. The lite wasn't powerful enough, but the full version was too bloated. Google said nothing like that and they actually have a full version working on the G1.

LPChris said:
Haha dude, that was Apple that said that about Flash for the iPhone. The lite wasn't powerful enough, but the full version was too bloated. Google said nothing like that and they actually have a full version working on the G1.
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And in the end that was just Apple's way of just trying to make a legitimate excuse why Flash isn't on the iPhone, but when you look at their licensing agreements Flash will never be allowed on the iPhone because its a development platform that people can use to side step Apple's Nazi Q&A department to get apps on the iPhone.
Personally I can't way for Flash support and my money is on it'll be here by the end of the year due to the increasing demand.

I'm Sooooo sick of people comparing the progress of the iPhone to the G1!!! iPhone is already getting ready for 3rd generation this summer. Why? Because after two years, it's still outpaced by the four month old G1!!! Once Google gets around to getting this thing up to it's full potential, Apple will have to return to the drawing board scratching their heads. Imagine when the next gen Android phones finally come out!!! Can't WAIT to see what these things will be capable of!!!

I think you mean when the next version of the OPERATING SYSTEM comes out. The hardware is fine as it is.
Regarding flash... don't expect it any time soon. It took them close to SIX YEARS to finally support current desktop CPUs.... in ALPHA.
swfdec and gnash are good places to start if anyone is interested in building an open source flash player for android.

are you saying the working demo of flash on the g1 is a hoax then?
cause if they have even a lite working version of flash currently i dont see what the problem is.

chicojd said:
I'm Sooooo sick of people comparing the progress of the iPhone to the G1!!! iPhone is already getting ready for 3rd generation this summer. Why? Because after two years, it's still outpaced by the four month old G1!!! Once Google gets around to getting this thing up to it's full potential, Apple will have to return to the drawing board scratching their heads. Imagine when the next gen Android phones finally come out!!! Can't WAIT to see what these things will be capable of!!!
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A. The G1 should have been AS good as the 2nd generation iPhone when it was released, because they actually had an example to learn and copy.
B.The G1 is far behind the iPhone in terms of performance and capabilities. It's not outpaced by the G1 by any stretch of the imagination.

Henchman said:
B.The G1 is far behind the G1 in terms of performance and capabilities. It's not outpaecd by the G1 by any stretch of the imagination.
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Haha did you even read this line? The G1 is behind the G1 and its not outpaced by the G1. ROFL

LPChris said:
Haha did you even read this line? The G1 is behind the G1 and its not outpaced by the G1. ROFL
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Hahahahaha. Oops. Little typo.
Fixed now.

Henchman said:
Hahahahaha. Oops. Little typo.
Fixed now.
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Now that that's fixed. You're wrong.

LPChris said:
Now that that's fixed. You're wrong.
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Unfortunately, I'm not.
Maybe you can show me where I can find Google Earth on my G1?
Or as cool a media player as the iPhone has.
Or how about some really cool, arcade quality games?
Oh, and maybe you can tell me how to get my Push email working with exchange.
And multitouch. And the soft keyboard.
These are just a few of the little things.

My opinion: I think a ROOTED G1 is far better than iPhone in potential and capability.
Autorotation YES
Multitouch YES
Soft keyboard YES--already 2 versions available; will get better in 2 months or less
Run from SD card--flexible expandibility YES
Run all apps in background YES
Dont have to pay to do stupid crap like direct dial a contact YES
Open source YES
OS will run on lots of different phones and non-phones YES
Wireless Tethering YES
Significant updates all the time (now at RC33 since RC19 in November 2008) YES
Can use the OS to run a robot YES

Oh, I forgot these as well--
Change look and feel via custom themes YES
Huge cell phone companies like Samsung and Motorola and HTC jumping in YES

derfolo said:
My opinion: I think a ROOTED G1 is far better than iPhone in potential and capability.
Autorotation YES
Multitouch YES
Soft keyboard YES--already 2 versions available; will get better in 2 months or less
Run from SD card--flexible expandibility YES
Run all apps in background YES
Dont have to pay to do stupid crap like direct dial a contact YES
Open source YES
OS will run on lots of different phones and non-phones YES
Wireless Tethering YES
Significant updates all the time (now at RC33 since RC19 in November 2008) YES
Can use the OS to run a robot YES
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Let's see.
Soft keyboard? where?
Multi-Touch? 1 app only.
Autorotation? Not working untill I can get the new droidsans.
Open Source. Big deal. 95% of the Apps are crap. ALL of the games are crap.
Significant updates? It currently is approaching where it SHOULD have been on the first release.
Still not there yet.

"Soft keyboard? where?"
SoftKeyboard just came out this week. AKeyUI has been out for months now.
"Multi-Touch? 1 app only."
Well, actually 2--you obviously haven't seen Luke's Picture Sorter. Also, have you seen Luke's messages to the Google developers regarding multitouch? Seems to me that they were quite impressed.
"ALL of the games are crap."
I like Sudoku, Trap!, and other goofy little games--YZ, PapiJump, ThrottleCopter, Mastermind. These are time wasters when I am waiting in line or sitting in a waiting room. I also like the aReader books, Dracula, Call of the Wild, etc. They are also FREE. Do you think, just maybe, the quality of the games has something to do with their cost and the current ability to charge for them?
"Significant updates? It currently is approaching where it SHOULD have been on the first release."
This will be funny to anyone that knows about large-scale product releases. I will leave it at that, but poke your iPhone in this one. Anyone with the initial release of iPhone can attest to its problems.
Finally you forgot my last two points:
"Change look and feel via custom themes YES
Huge cell phone companies like Samsung and Motorola and HTC jumping in YES"
And you forgot these as well:
"Run from SD card--flexible expandibility YES
Run all apps in background YES
Dont have to pay to do stupid crap like direct dial a contact YES
OS will run on lots of different phones and non-phones YES
Wireless Tethering YES"

Just as I was expecting, Google locking down on open development. (article)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
Looks like the Honeycomb lockout is just the beginning... It's because so many people complained about Fragmentation..
*le sigh*

I thought this was to get 'early' access to code. If that's the case, then I heartily agree.
Besides, I personally think fragmentation is the single, worst aspect of Android on phones.

Yeah, as long as this is for the manufacturers that are getting early access before the source is released to the public, I think it will be a very good thing.

If this removes the ability of Motorola adding it's "moto-blur" on top of Android, Samsung from adding "Touch Wiz" and HTC from adding "Sense-UI".....I'm all for it!

Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own

To me it's just annoying that their whole marketing game about it being an open dev process is just a crock. That being said, I'm glad we have earlier android source available, and I think it would be just dandy if somehow the devs here took that branch and advanced it further than google could do w/ honeycomb .

akodoreign said:
Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own
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I understand where you're coming from, I just think the manufacturers use their additional code as an excuse when users want to update/upgrade. Samsung seems to have taken a lot of flack recently for their delays.
Then we just have to get these OEM's stop bolting their ROM's / code down.
Personally, Viewsonic has built loyalty for me by not locking down their device and (seemingly) encouraging independent development. Combine with nice hardware, I would buy again paying even more if they would use a little better screen the next time around.

captain_fid said:
Personally, Viewsonic has built loyalty for me by not locking down their device and (seemingly) encouraging independent development. Combine with nice hardware, I would buy again paying even more if they would use a little better screen the next time around.
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By far, the screen is this devices biggest failing. Drove me nuts to the point that I tried rooting a Nook Color. That's a nice screen. However, I took it back, the damn soft key thing was driving me ape....

Understandable....but you can make each device your own without the need of a vendor hacking their code into the android AOSP code. .
Different launchers are available, different home screen setup options are easy enough...
Without worrying about this device needing a moto-blur tested app or an HTC Sense tested app can increase updates and stability of apps. It also removes the apps that "only" work on moto-blur or sense-ui, etc... as that was what the platform the developer was working with and used some of those extra library functions, etc...
Vanilla AOSP is best. Make your hardware/price point stand out and people will flock to it. Let the people decide what they want their UI to look like (via launchers, widgets, and such).
akodoreign said:
Maybe I am just a minority when I say I didn't mind fragmentation...
Kinda made each device unique...
I have an evo with sense on it. I have a gtab with launcher pro. and I have a xoom with (motoblur?, honeycomb default?) not sure lol .
But each one is very unique to me and feels like a different device. If everything was the same it would feel like that fruit labeled company
ah well, each their own
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therealkired said:
By far, the screen is this devices biggest failing. Drove me nuts to the point that I tried rooting a Nook Color. That's a nice screen. However, I took it back, the damn soft key thing was driving me ape....
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Agreed. For the price, though, (especially for all those wooter's out there) it is an amazing device.

Got sad at first as I hate to see any amount of extra control being grabbed by Google. After reading the article again and the comments I became a lot more ok with it. Some sort of quality control over what kind of overlay can be put over stock android sounds fair.

The good part is that it's not a limit for the everyday dev, and even for company's doing things with android that it wasn't intended for...
You could still see a toaster come out with Android 3.1 that is custom skinned... but only after the AOSP dropped would the development be able to begin. You wouldn't have that toaster getting preferential treatment by google and early access to the source.

akodoreign said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
Looks like the Honeycomb lockout is just the beginning... It's because so many people complained about Fragmentation..
*le sigh*
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Try reading from more than just one source..http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Rubin says that if Google were to open-source the Honeycomb code now, as it has with other versions of Android at similar periods in their development, it couldn't prevent developers from putting the software on phones "and creating a really bad user experience. We have no idea if it will even work on phones."
"Android is an open-source project," he adds. "We have not changed our strategy."

Honeycomb + Gingerbread + Google TV = Yummy
Google is looking to bring all the deserts back into one.
With an added topping of Google TV.
This is the best of all worlds, so a bug/feature add goes out to all devices, tablets, phones, TVs, Settops, etc..
Sure it will take them a few months or so to get this done, but I think the wait will be worth it.

Here's the way I feel. There is not a single thing about sense/motoblur/touchwiz that should cause the manufacturer to integrate it into the android code. All of these would work just fine with apps/launchers. If htc wants sense on there devices, program a launcher, dont bogg down the code with an extra 100 megs of useless crap. Make the launchers and apps uninstallable.
This whole thing only forces the manufacturers to make their UI's the way they should have to begin with. I'd say this is better for the community, not worse.

ICS theming by manufacturers?

Do y'all think that companies like HTC, sammy etc will theme ICS a lot or will they leave it rather vanilla such as they did with most of the HC tablets?

Small changes like Honeycomb+Touchwiz would be nice.

They will continue to add sense and touchwiz. That is the manufacturers selling point to draw in the average consumer. Without it, they wouldn't be able to build a loyal fan base.

Yep, they will theme it complete with the extra 6 months update turn around...

hmm, long time to go for ics..

One thing i liked about honeycomb was that there was consistency yet there were slight differences (except Gtab) I have nothing against skins but ICS lets you freeze apps right... what if they let you freeze the skin allowing you to use vanilla

MrDrumngun said:
Do y'all think that companies like HTC, sammy etc will theme ICS a lot or will they leave it rather vanilla such as they did with most of the HC tablets?
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No, they'll load it up with Bloatware and horrible skins as normal. Only the Nexus will be Vanilla, or the custom AOSP ROM route as usual.

So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience

vnvman said:
So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience
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Actually the Android OS is under Apache..Google sells Android for commercial use.
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vnvman said:
So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience
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Your conclusion is correct.
People buy into 'Brand Loyalty'. Unfortunately the Android 'Brand' isn't Google. It's HTC, Samsung, LG etc, unlike WP7 which is clearly Microsoft flavour, or iphone, which is clearly Apple flavour.
I bet half of people who own an Android phone have never even heard of the OS. It's funny really. Two of them will meet and start comparing phones. "What's your phone?". "It's a HTC, i think. Yours?". "It says Samsung on it. I guess that's what it is huh?". "Mines got a big clock on it.." etc. Android means nothing to most people. There's just so many Android phones that it's inevitable that it would have a large market share. It has no identity though.

lot of people may find it a little to minimalistic, so customization il 101% sure .. personally i like the way it is vanilla style

Skins would be fine if the manufacturer gave you an easier way to disable them, besides the fact that some are ugly as sin, they're also resource hogs.

ICS is the great smoth view.. i really like it.
but now ICS not yet officially launched.
you can use ICS theme on Market from ADW laucher and Theme Chooser

4 months since ICS release & Not a single phone updated to ICS

ICS was released on Oct 19th 2011. It is almost 4 months and still not a single phone was officially updated to ICS. The closest one was Nexus S which had an update that was pulled for being too buggy.
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
The wide varity of devices cannot be the reason as the team managing a device don't have to worry about other devices. For example, Galaxy S2 team needs to worry about Galaxy S2 and not other hundreds of devices.
Does upgrading in Android world means buying new phone and not software updaye like in iOS & WP7?

Although In part what you are asking makes sense it is in large part a flawed question and premise. I can not speak to windows mobile as I am not terribly familiar so everything going forward is about android and apple.
Yes we are all waiting to see how much each oem can f up ics with their version of android, whether it is tw or sense or blur etc. ics is a major change in how android handles things unlike ios5 which was in reality a very minor update to the system. And it was delayed by about 5 months from their typical release so when it was officially released it was available to most iOS devices true, but delayed all the same.
The delay for ics is caused by the oems thinking they can improve on it and give their own twist. If it was a vanilla update your premise would be accurate. As to the nexus s although the official release was pulled back there are several quality ports across several devices using it as a base

Though the source code was available previously, the first ICS device (the GSM Galaxy Nexus) was not released until mid-November. As mcord11758 mentioned, ICS is a *huge* updated to the Android system and it takes time to get everything coded to work properly.
I also saw some information last night that the 4.0.4 rollout would resume for Nexus S 4G devices today, so take a deep breath and relax

It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about

What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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mcord11758 said:
I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about
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Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.

cdrice15 said:
What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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Independent devs get to release ROMs with a "sorry if it doesn't work, but tough sh*t" disclaimer. OEMs/Carriers have to be able to support the ROMs they ship.

Also have to remember that The CM based roms here use open source drivers that dont use the hardware to the fullest. While OEMs use closed sourced drivers built for the hardware. Once they get the update they have to wait for new drivers to be built to work with the hardware to the fullest.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
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alex2792 said:
Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.
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Wait...are you saying you would rather a quick but flawed update rather than a delayed but more stable one?
Dave
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With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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Carrier IQ anyone?

The reason it takes so long is because all the manufacturers have there own UI to make there phones stick out from the others and with major updates like in ICS they have to rewite there UI to work smoothly with ICS.

IamJAX said:
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
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I have worked at Microsoft on Windows Phone 7 and on Windows Mobile. Going back pre WP7, updates generally simply didn't get released for phones. Microsoft is trying to improve that, but the software has to go through modification and testing for carriers. I don't think any version was ready for acceptance in less than four months, ever.
I suspect it's worse in Android-land (where my phones live), because at least Microsoft has big teams for their for-profit product. The major manufacturers also have teams on-site at Microsoft, working to do the customizations. And Microsoft controls the hardware more tightly than Android; for WP7's initial release, there were really only two hardware package options (e.g. screen size, resolution, camera, processor, etc.) So less to modify.
And then Moto adds their new Blur incarnation, HTC adds Sense, and so on, each requiring more changes and testing.
So the comparison between WP7 and ICS is off because of profit-driven teams, hardware diversity and software customization that MS doesn't allow.

Idk but isn't this site to get ICS before any update??? Lol
I'm running ICS in my Samsung Captivate and I can promise you ICS will never come to a Captivate ... but guess what I've got it!!!
I can point and laugh at iOS and WP7 for their limited OS and customize my device
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To be honest I don't even know why people want ICS.
I was one of the unfortunates to get the update and now am desperately trying to downgrade back to stock 2.3.6 OR even better..load Cyanogen Mod on my phone.
The only good thing about the update is it led me to register and start to poke around this forum!
Bugs in ICS on my Nexus S include:
- Phone won't ring even when it should. It will only vibrate.
- Lags heavily and hangs when pulling up and trying to type a text message.
- Have to write text message most times before inputting contact to send to.
- Runs million processes in the background, thus killing my battery life.
When I upgraded it wouldn't let me sync my contacts and erased over half my names in my contact lists. When I turned on sync, it would continue to delete the names I had recently readded.
Since wiping all data from my phone, it works a bit more like it should and is a bit more snappy, but it still sucks. They need to hurry up and re-release ICS in a workable version, or at least let people roll back their phone to previous version like you could in Gingerbread.
Whatsup with naming their OS after generally crappy dessert items? Someobody in their marketing department is a glutton...

i want to up grade to ics... but i want to learn more first from here...
please give me some advice

SASQ!!!!!!
come on la, use your butt and think....
why android take such a long time to release a update.
because android has just tooo many different model....
while apple only got...umm.....1......
and windows.....ummm....less den android....
so think about it.....

maybe one----huawei Honor(U8860)ANDROID 4.0
the second edition of ICS commercial release

no guidelines, no warranty, no quality

THE PROBLEM WITH ANDROID THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED - OEMs

This is what i think the real and biggest problem with android is, the battle is not with apple, their os or their phone. The actual problem is this-
"Google has done an extremely awesome job with jelly bean, the 'project butter' has really changed the Android experience, experience is fast and ultra responsive, devices dont lag when u turn them on or when u wake them from sleep. Google Now is pretty instant and gives some delightfully satisfying answers which the software is all about, offline voice typing is also pretty accurate, fast and an actual step forward with voice typing, the animations are wonderful, the lockscreen is simple and easy to use and its pretty fast, and what to say about notifications they are just a treat to use.
But all of what google has done is waste, total waste.
Cause OEMs wont be able give JB to their devices. Why? Because they will be busy to make stock JB look ugly, they will be busy to just change the way the UI looks so that their device can look be different no matter if its uglier than stock, they will be busy to add stupid features like 'direct call' when the call button is just their above the messages(I MEAN ITS JUST ONE FREAKING TAP ON THE CALL BUTTON AS ITS JUST RIGHT THEIR, U R LOOKING AT THE SCREEN ANYWAY SO U CAN JUST PRESS THAT FREAKING BUTTON TO CALL THAT PERSON), features like 'Tap to Top' (CAN'T U JUST FLICK UR FINGER ON THE SCREEN TO SCROLL BACK TO TOP, IT TURNS OUT THAT U CAN BUT OEMs HAVE TO ADD THESE FANCY FEATURES TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN DO FANCY 'CODING'), they have to add fancy and weird lockscreen. I know some features are important to add for ur company like various camera settings that google don't add cause they simply dont feel the need of those settings, BUT WHY THE HELL OEMs HAVE TO ADD THEIR FREAKING CUSTOM UGLY SKINS AND USELESS FEATURES.
I think google should do something to stop this madness, i see tons of bulls*** on internet just to compare the iphone and android. Most of the comments is people saying that they have older version of android on their device and 'not the one shown in the video' but on iphone they have latest software that is even in 'iphone4s' so they still think iphones are better. It ALL ABOUT UPDATES, GOOGLE WORK REALLY HARD ON ANDROID AND THE RESULT IS THAT MAJORITY OF ANDROID DEVICES ARE STILL ON '2.3.3.
Its pretty dissapointing to see how idiotic OEMs behave about updates, skins and fancy features. I hope the google PDK help OEMs to give faster update.
Some comapnies are still struggling to push ICS to their old devices and JB is out, they are busy in working on their new devices and some few people from their team work on OS updates to old devices, and the process is so slow because they are busy in adding ****ty skins and features.
P.S. Other OEMs should learn from HUAWEI, they also wanted to add some features that they feel are useful to their ICS phones, but they didnt ****ed the UI, they have their file manager, their cloud services, some additional camera app features in their ICS phones but they dont **** the UI."
This is what i think, i was pretty angry about OEMs and updates so i shared all my thoughts on a g+ post and this quote is the same g+ post.
Here is my g+ profile- https://plus.google.com/117638526643371847672/posts

I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!

You are absolutely right. Maybe not every OEM's ROM is bad, but they shouldn't try to make things better because it takes a lot of time and usually makes the system look ugly. That makes Android different on almost every manufacturer's device...
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One thing that I have decided that I am just going to buy devices that come under Google's NEXUS program. That way even if I may get not the latest and greatest hardware, I am still assured that I will get updates for at least 2-3 years and instant updates is what we are talking about.

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Anger is good
you were right about every single word
OEMs ruin the Android
trying to make it better
while the only thing happening is Android getting S*** taste instead of vanilla taste
well
on my side
i would prefer if the Stock android was available to all phones beside the OEMs one
in that way we have a choice
also
the Android pure Rom is much better than any other
i came to that after a lot of flashing
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yogi2010 said:
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
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Slider +1:victory:

Haha, I also was getting myself worked up the other day thinking about carriers: I'm sure they also have a lot to do with how long updates take to come out. And, they get you on a 2-year contract, and then you're lucky if they support the device with updates for even 1 year!

I'm hoping PDK begins to lock down a bit of what they can do. Also, Carriers are a huge problem too. They don't want you to get updates.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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zelendel said:
You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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I understand what u mean, i have also mentioned in op that many OEMs feel the need of some features that stock android doesnt have and they can add and they should obviously add them but amount of these features are really low, most of the features we see are just fancy features that show that they can also 'code'.
I know a bit about android ICS (stock) as i make themes for theme engine and i made roms earlier. Its divided into two parts or two UIs, one is the dark part or the dominating part that we see across ICS, the grey backgrounds with blue text, other is the light UI, that is the white backgrounds with blue and black text. I am also not a big fan of they grey part of the UI but the white part is just wonderful. Also no OEMs' ui i have seen is better than stock ICS UI so they are clearly making it worse.
I hope google go full on with their white/light UI in next version of android.
Also i agree to the fact that many required features that a consumer wants these days with software these days are lacking in stock android like some settings, options and features in camera app, that actually all consumers these day want. I have seen many nokia users who still buy nokia phones cause they have these small features to mess with in camera app. There are many things that android team have not thought of added in stock android, and i think the main reason for that is the fear of people declaring their OS as 'complicated' and non-user friendly.

What worse it can get. Now Gnexus may get banned.

From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.

Good point.

spunker88 said:
From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
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But still, Google is doing so that OEMs are ready to push updates along with Google. If Google is gonna give them new versions earlier we can assume they will give 1-2 months earlier and they will still be working on it so they will also give new source code later maybe 10-20 days earlier. So OEMs like Samsung or HTC who take 5-7 months for an update will still not be able to catch up with Google's announcements and updates.
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I agree and disagree.. I never used stock roms until i purchased the droid razr. I know blur makes it look better and also realize that motorola has a **** ton of bloatware that i have to freeze but i've been happy with gingerbread and now the ics stock roms. I do however think that needs to include an option to root the device on the configuration when you first setup the device. I think it shouldn't have locked bootloaders or things like that because it is linux underneath the nice ui and you should be able to mod it the way you like without having to hack everything. Long story short, most stock roms do look like crap and are bloated but some do a good job.
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Another thing I forgot about is carriers, they need to get their hands out of the software. My broadband ISP doesn't care what updates or OS I am running, they just provide me internet.
Ideally we would get all software upgrades from Google sort of like Windows, but I'm not sure if this is possible with Android. At least just let us update direct from the OEM, carriers shouldn't have to approve updates.

Guys support me and others who are with me and retweet #OmlyNexus and #****AndroidOEMs .

The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.

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The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.

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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.

ingenious247 said:
I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I don't think a die hard fan of a flagship phone from Samsung or HTC is gonna buy the new flagship phone if the company changes the OS. I know people care about hardware but that doesn't mean they go totally mad about it, not looking the software at all. Btw, play store access is only for Google/android phones.
Also, nobody bought Gs3 cause it just had a quad core or it had a 8mp camera. If Samsung had bada or maybe android 2.1 on it then believe me it would have been samsung's worst selling phone.
Edit: Will u buy a new i7 3rd Gen laptop if it had windows 2000 and a restriction that u can't change it??? For same price that u buy a normal i7 laptop or even higher.