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What is the deal with WM7?

I have heard so many bad things about WM7, that I just have to ask someone to confirm this!
The things I have heard are:
1. No copy/paste (Even Iphone has that now!)
2. The apps we have now for WM 6.X cant be used in WM7
3. Most apps for WM7 will be web based (What if you cant afford an unlimited data plan or you are somewhere where you cant get coverage?)
It sounds to me like they have taken all the bad things from the iPhone and implemented into wm7!
Why would anyone want to cripple an OS like that?
Please tell me if I have misunderstood all of this, or if it´s true?

1) i believe it's in the os but from what ive heard it's disabled in the shipping version.
2) the code itself would work, the interfaces however will not. so yes, they won't work.
3) i havent heard that.
you should be more *****ing that the iphone now has multitasking and wp7s doesnt. this is why im still using wm2003/wm5.

cheapusenet said:
1) i believe it's in the os but from what ive heard it's disabled in the shipping version.
2) the code itself would work, the interfaces however will not. so yes, they won't work.
3) i havent heard that.
you should be more *****ing that the iphone now has multitasking and wp7s doesnt. this is why im still using wm2003/wm5.
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Wait, you are telling me that WM7 will not have multitasking either? (I have not heard that, otherwise it would be on the top of my list!)
If all of this is true then it will be more restricted then iPhone! (YAAAY, way to go microsoft!)
Guess I will be switching over to Android very soon, unless microsoft change their mind before WM7 official release!

also it will only work with .net apps faster native apps will not be available
and only place you can get apps will be ms marketplace

Ok then, can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?
To me it feals like we are taking a few steps back instead of forward!
I mean, for a guy like me, that loves technology and wants to be able to do everything with the device, I just feel a little bit frustrated not being able to do so anymore! What is the point in locking everything down like this?
Are the devices we buy even ours anymore, or does microsoft own them?
I am sorry, but I am so angry right now, that I cant think of anything good to say!

"can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?"
who are saying that?
personally every phone I had apart from 1 have been wm phones but my next phone will most likely be an android

Rudegar said:
"can someone please explain to me why some people think that WM7 is so great?"
who are saying that?
personally every phone I had apart from 1 have been wm phones but my next phone will most likely be an android
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Some of my friends thinks that it is going to be the best OS yet!
But I guess that they dont have all the facts, and that they are basing their opinions on what they have seen on the Windows 7 (PC) OS! (Which is in fact very good!)
But just as you said, Android is going to be my next phone too! I just have trouble dealing with the fact, that all my purchased apps & games wont work anymore, and that I have to start buying them all over again! (If I can find equalent stuff!)

maybe when android phone inc in processor speed later on wm6.X emulators will be a reality but not likely soon enough to help you if those apps are stuff you need often / soon

branko.savic said:
Some of my friends thinks that it is going to be the best OS yet!
But I guess that they dont have all the facts, and that they are basing their opinions on what they have seen on the Windows 7 (PC) OS! (Which is in fact very good!)
But just as you said, Android is going to be my next phone too! I just have trouble dealing with the fact, that all my purchased apps & games wont work anymore, and that I have to start buying them all over again! (If I can find equalent stuff!)
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A lot of apps on android are free so at least you wont have to pay much (the most expensive app i've seen was $9.99)

I'll be upgrading to a HD2 in May, so until it dies any future upgrades (unless M$ come to their senses) will be ebayed, might as well make some money if O2 are willing to give me free useless tat.

I couldn't wait for WM7 falling more behind, so I took the plunge to Android in January. Best move too open source & I have not looked back!

IPhone trying to ban sales of Galaxy phones in Europe

IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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The major selling point of the s2 is the fact that it's the only hardware accelerated android phone. Throw cm7 or miui on there and its just another mediocre android device that's completely unimpressive. Unless either miui or cm plan on writing brand new drivers and Samsung intends to offer some sort of licensing deal then there's no real plus side to it.

Apple is pretty obnoxious. Their patents are ridiculously general

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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Not trying, actually doing. This time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.

MartyLK said:
his time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.
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No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.

Gusar321 said:
No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.
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its still just another laggy android phone without samsungs drivers.

Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this one is getting boring.

Gusar321 said:
Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this is is getting boring.
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nonsensical post first of all, second of all android did seem smooth til I got something smoother. Now every time I try to use an android device, gs2 included, I notice these little catches that I wouldn't have even seen before but now make the phone feel like I paid 500 dollars for feel cheap.

Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.

protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.

Gusar321 said:
Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.
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I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense. Android is slow which is one of many faults in it, I like a phone that just works, nothing I have to crack flash roms to, nothing I have to download 40 apps to before it has basic functions, and certainly nothing that lags relentlessly and force closes on me. I just wanted a device that works how a smartphone should without spending days or weeks making it do so before the phone became moderately useful.

just to make sure you guys don't forget, considering my last reminder was on page 1:
don't feed the troll.

I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.

lowandbehold said:
I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.
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iPhones are horrendous aside from the app market, the UI is more cluttered than android though admittedly more uniform, and the hardware offers no choices. I am a long time winmo user and for a year and a half used android, I still have 14 android phones that dont get used. I'm just always on the lookout for the best. I'm a fanboy of no OS, whatever is best is what I use.

z33dev33l said:
I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense.
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Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
z33dev33l said:
I'm a fanboy of no OS
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You're capable of saying that with a straight face? Impressive. Very impressive. Oh, and LOL.
z33dev33l said:
of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.
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Oh please. You have a brain. Use it.

pmcqueen said:
protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.
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Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.

Gusar321 said:
Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
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of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.

oka1 said:
Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.
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so they're combining the efforts of the xda community, google, and all of the OEMs to make an OS work almost as well as wp7 and (sadly) IOS do? Of course people will still have full system access to slow it down.

z33 i perfectly understand the point you wanna make here. I know you're not a simple troll, just a quite informed and very very picky user (like i am after all). Tbh i wasn't really likely to pick another android phone in the latest months, because i was (and i actually still am) disappointed about how the aosp is managed by google. After a year of usage i came to the conclusion that android os has many, MANY flaws. I started considering other devices, like wp7 phones, the iphone and even the new bold 9900, but after a lot of reflections i came to a quite simple conclusion: sure android isn't perfect, but jumping ship to any other os would have still felt like a downgrade to me, being used to what android offers to users: it simply felt like not having a real choice. Basically i (re)discovered that messing up my phone and being able to plug it to every pc or mac as a mere mass storage is actually something i like and need. So a couple weeks ago i looked around, checked which one was the most up to date and powerful android phone and picked up my sgs2, simple as that. Now i'm running a simple aosp rom, and i can say i'm not bothered that much about not having samsung's hw accelerated ui (which is a bit of a lie actually: if you load the tw launcher with a few widgets it actually lags): i use opera mobile for browsing, which is totally fast and smooth (buttery smooth), and launcher pro plus as a launcher, which is virtually lag free on this device, regardless how badly you load it with widgets.
It's true, you can see it from what i just said, android is all about workarounds to avoid flaws and bugs, but honestly i prefer *****ing a bit more with my phone to get it running as i like rather than getting any wp7 or ios device that takes no effort to "customize", but at the end of the day is like a wife telling you what you can and can't do
That's the way i see it at least...

Gusar321 said:
No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
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And the Tab isn't included
I expect an update from Google reasonably quickly which will prevent Apple trying the same trick with other companies.
In other news, Nokia have won against Apple, meaning they'll earn royalties from Apple.

Fragmentation is the reason we don't have official gb

I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.

jasonk1229 said:
I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.

Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!

diablo009 said:
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there

Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.

spirikitik said:
Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".

Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.

MikeyMike01 said:
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.

MikeyMike01 said:
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.

I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Kevinr678 said:
I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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slapshot30 said:
Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.

Ryanscool said:
There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.

Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.

I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/

Ice cream sandwich ( ICS) might be worst for android?

I just read this article, a good eye opener for those craving for ICS
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394929,00.asp
Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right. Compared to the grinding misery of the Android non-update schedule, Microsoft's transition from Windows Phone 7 to Mango is going pretty smoothly.
Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different OEMs and get its software approved by carriers. Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different form factors—phones with physical keyboards and without, for instance.
Yes, Apple gets it right too, but that's a little boring; Apple has only one OEM (itself) and a handful of models, so it's much easier to push out updates to iPhones and iPads.
Earlier this year, Google and its OEMs formed a consortium to pledge to deliver prompt updates, but absolutely zero concrete work has come out of that group. Every single U.S. Windows Phone will update to Mango within weeks. Two-year-old iPhones can get iOS 5. But owners of Android phones and tablets just a few months old have no clue when, or whether their gadgets will get Ice Cream Sandwich (or for that matter, sometimes still even Gingerbread.)
Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset, and doesn't allow manufacturers to skin the OS. I don't want to see Google take on the first requirement, as competition between chip manufacturers has been a major force driving Android's advances. But even if one chipset at a time got Android updates, it would still be a major step forward.
If manufacturer skins are really stopping updates, it may finally be time for Google to find a way to punish OEMs that can't keep up with the pace of change. Google likes to trumpet its openy-ness, but the company has always blessed and punished OEMs by giving or withholding the Android Market and Gmail apps that are necessary to have a decent Android device. Google needs to set a time limit for OEMs to implement changes.
Ice Cream Sandwich looks great. So when can we get it, how can we find apps for it, and how can app developers address the widest variety of Android devices easily? That's what Google needs to answer clearly and concisely.
and it made me think alot.
I'm an android fan, but i feel this author's opinion is quite true.
whats the point of having a good and new OS but its just available on a over priced nexus phone?
android updates are slow (i mean around 6 months or probably never). and silly manufacturers are further delaying it by their custom UI. This is just sad sad news for android.
i better stop reading news about ICS, just to make myself less miserable.
in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.

I agree, that's probably the biggest stumbling block of Android. When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
One thing though, Microsoft controls the hardware specs of WP7 phones very closely. Sure there's differences here and there, but not as far reaching as a Galaxy 3 vs a Galaxy S2.

Well, heres my opinion about this subject:
No, it will not make things worst, i have been using android since donut with an HTC Magic, from which i had tried 2.1 and 2.2. Never resourcing from HTC's official releases.
I'll put it simple, for someone who needs a smartphone, almost every verion of android will do, you get to manage emails on the go, music, photos, market+apps, you get the point.
Now for someone that takes "what version of android i'm running" into consideration, there are solutions to run the latest. Me for example, i do take it into consideration, and i'm running 2.3.5 on a LG2X which only has 2.2 officially.
If this was real reality, what about X86 OS's? i mean, win3.1, win95, win98, win98ME, win2K, winXP, winVISTA, win7 and now win8... And im only talking about microsoft.
Theres no such thing has fragmentation. As for the development problems regarding which target android version will "I" develop to. Cmon, theres good coding or bad coding. OFC theres some API's that are only available since version X of the android version, but still, good coding would prevent the use of this API even if it means having less functionality.
I believe android is in the right track, ICS looks to have some nice improvements, although the main development i saw was design ("Make me awesome"), i believe there has been some improvements regarding stability+smoothness+usability.
Next stop is: "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right." Wait a second, google has made the most successful mobile OS and it needs to look to Microsoft for *whatever*?
"Yes, Apple gets it right too" No! if in Sascha's opinion Fragmentation is a problem, Apple is having the same issue, but it is coming later than android, mainly due to the 23454345672384 OEM's android has versus the 1 OEM Apple has! I mean, 1 oem, 1 OS = iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPod Touch Xgen, iPad, iPad 2.. FFS! fragmentation? a single oem has made more devices than most android OEM's has! (not true, but quite)
[EDIT] Sorry im berserking.
"Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset" if this was done in the Android habitat, there would be no sense in making different versions, varying prices, and so on. Fragmentation is good in some aspects, one of them being the different prices devices can get.
As for the version and updates problem, how about attacking the OEM's itself instead of Google? Since google is the main "victim" of this article, google has made all it can do to get it "corrected" (if this is a problem) and it even does not own the OEM's companies! All phones launched by google have had some nice updates, keeping it with the most recent OS all the time. (Yes i'm talking about the nexus lineup, Nexus One is 2 years old, so i guess it will not get ICS, still iphone 2G will not get iOS 5 neither.)
[EDIT2] Now i'm haywire.
Just take a look at the article comments, the writer ends up having no arguments. FFS He's calling WP7 an example for updates! saying that the OS provider has the obligation the get OEM's in line...NO! thats the good thing about Android, it is free, free to use, and free to transform. Every OEM is responsible for what they do with the devices they sell, and the OS they ship it with.
Thats like saying that my Dinossaur pc doesn't run windows 7 and call it Microsoft's fault, because my PC only have 96MB of Ram! Isn't that almost Apple-fanboy talk? The os provider must develop the HW for it to run properly.

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When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
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That is true, except for one thing. There is a response.
If you want iOS, you have the choice of black or white. If you want Android then you have the choice of hundreds of different devices. It's a trade-off that I am more than happy with. I prefer choice over regular updates, especially when the OS is already good enough anyway.

Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs. Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.

Sorry but there's no apple fanboy like Joshua Toposlky, he is the only one in the world (sarcasm =P) that can see the bright side of both sides of the war.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs.
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Thats why i did say that for a smartphone user, every android version will sufice.
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Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
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This is almost not noticeable in the android environment because of the OEM's, not google's fault
[EDIT] OMFG! Now this is stupid, this is SO STUPID! Check this out, he makes a table of the new features that the new iOS can do, an compares it to other OS's... so lets start:
Location Based Reminders: Only iOS
Quick Camera Acess: iOS and WP7
Advanced Photo Editing tools: Only iOS
Advanced Voice Commands: Only iOS
My answer to this is: I am not going to open another URL coming from PCmag

The way Android works is that Google do not have that much control over it after the OS is designed, it gets open-sourced then it is down to each individual OEM to build a rom and get their carrier partners to approve it.
Google have deliberately chosen to not do it the more formal way as it will defeat the entire original purpose that android had.
Obviously there is more complicated steps in the process when it comes to the licencing of Gapps....
However google and the other major partners have expressed their wish to reduce fragmentation and move to ICS as soon as possible, but that article was right in that we have not been given any strict words. However any phone currently running android 2.3 and is still getting worked on (i.e. not EOL) should receive an ICS update. I know that samsung are working on very quick timetables and the SGS2 rom should be out very quickly, but based on the past experience companies like HTC may take a very long time.
in WP7 Microsoft give a rom to the OEMS to do very minor tweaks, this is then approved and released.

I think what people are missing
Here guys is the fact that android os is the only open source os out of three three majors!
This means that u don't really need the oems to have latest up to date os version. As we can c clearly in the case of cynogenmod project. Moreover, the android build it's reputation on being the most comprehensive os with most capabilities to consume the most of the hardware. This is a big plus for everybody.
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Ray1 said:
in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?

svceon said:
I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.

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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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Ray1, i'm not upset, don't get me wrong =P i just thought you were saying that you wanted ICS now, and that you were frustraded that you didn't had. i'm only upset by PCMAG by it's acumulated stupidity.
As for the updates, there are a lot of 2.3.4/5 roms in the SGSII development sub-forum, why dont you try to flash one?
Another thing about firmware and OEM's updates:
When i buy a car, i dont expect it to be upgraded when the next generation of engines are released. When i buy a car i bought it because i needed it or i wanted it as it was being sold.

If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.

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If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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This doesn't make a lot of sense

Ray1 said:
I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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There is no Google talk video call in 2.3.4 nor 2.3.5..

the fact that the author wrote "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right" made him lose any ounce of credibility that he had (if he had any to begin with.)
they released WP 7 without half of the proven needs on a smartphone (eg. cut and paste), released an "update" which was basically a primer for your phone to be able to OTA update when the new "patch" was released. and it didn't even adress the issues that had people *****ing about the phone. Mango was promised to be released last year, and it's already october 2011. I got rid of my windows phone within 3 months of buying on.
so what if apple releases iOS 5 to all iphone users? half of them probably doesn't even know what's on the new OS. the other half are still marvelling over siri as some technological breakthrough. it has got to be the most boring OS i've seen. everyone holding an iOS phone/tablet/ipod looks the same as the other person holding it. oh great, you can change the wallpaper...whoopdiedoo...and buy a 200 dollar case for it! wowie.
i was a loyal windows mobile user for many many years, having used them since O2 still manufactured awesome products. I loved it for how much I could customize it to suit how I'd like it to be. I'm not paying 1000 bucks and have the company tell me how I should want it to look. I'm sorry, but a homescreen with 16 icons on it just doesn't look appealing to me. I have been blown away by what the android OS can do.
how ICS release can be bad for android users baffles me. I bet the author was wetting himself when apple launched the white iphone.

This ''issue'' can be avoided by installing CM7. This way your phone is like a nexus and has the latest updates.

Umm this isn't really google's fault by any means; whether or not ICS comes to our devices is up to the manufacturers, and it's is up to us as consumers to let them know that we don't want a customized UI, but standard android instead.
Vote with your wallets and send manufacturers complaint letters and you shall have what you wish for. Just look at the locked boot loaders issue as an example of what can be done when enough people complain and commit to a cause.

1) don't rely on Official Roms all the time, plenty of leaks for 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 have surfaced
2) Just because you are not yet on 2.3.4 doesn't mean you won't get ICS, you don't have to go up every single OS step in order...

Again Android liberty. You can pick the OEM. If you want the fastest update buy a nexus. Slower OEMs will sell lesser product in the future. And I didn't get the idea of the article. Is limiting the OSs with resolution and chips a good thing? If so what are we doing here?
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Sad orphan Android device SUPPORT, guys buy wisely alright.

Consumer are on the loosing end ;(
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support

Android users unite, demand upgrades
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.

Danwsim said:
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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Yeah this is true, I'd definitely have to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, but there are some things I wish they would fix. Like the caller waiting feature, it should be updated to be more user friendly. Why should you have to hang up and wait for the automatic call back? They need to rebuild that part of the ui where you can.

Very interesting article. Very true also. It is a sad and troubling issue unfortunately for us. Software support and updates seem to be getting worse and worse for us Android users.
Good thing i got my nexus handset...kind of helps as at least i know google will keep rolling out the updates for at least 18 to 24 months.
The problem is with the big phone manufactures...they skin android too deep and take too long to clear up their mess in order to update the builds. Also they just want us to buy new phones every few months it seems. I intend to see my nexus s contract through to the remaining 12 months for sure. Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious by the way!
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.

Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it

Dark lord me said:
Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data

spirikitik said:
If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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Yeah well when we were going to get the phone it was a cheap slider dumb phone and we walked out with one of those and with froyo it brought speed increments which help on the phone and i mean my moms not the kind who even uses data just games and such

Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.

z33dev33l said:
Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.

ICS is too late for it, but I hope J(ellybean) functions more like a launcher and its theme. Just mass update the background OS for all phones (whether through OTA or through website), and let manufacturer/telcom update their skin independently, so that consumers don't have to wait for the (unreliable) promise from manufacturer/telcom.

You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
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Are we guaranteed by policy that the phones need to be updated? If anyone can check the sales agreement, is it mentioned anything about the future software update?
I have not checked, but I think there is no such obligation from manufacturer. So, in essence they are not breaking the law. We buy a phone on what it has presently, not speculating about future enhancements.
It would be great to have manufacturers give more attention to this update issue. But I doubt anyone could hold them accountable.
It's also obvious that if any of these get updated, it would be only the premier ones, not the budget models.

zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt

spirikitik said:
You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).

zeekiz said:
Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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You got me wrong, it is just this fact hurt your ego about the stat of updates and you see it and still don't believe it, you are the android fanboy and for that makes you blind, and your intelligence, stay stagnant like a swamp.

zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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this is the attitude of a fanboy. "Oh, you don't like my OS? You must be a wp7/iOS fanboy."
Gotta say, I'm a fanboy for no OS and have them all but as far as hardware goes, I'm slowly becoming a Nokia fanboy

Lol z33 you really are funny. And quite the fibber.
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spirikitik said:
All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
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So do you have iOS5 installed on your iphone, iphone 3G?
Which app is exclusive to gingerbread?
I think you should go back to iphone. It looks like you've made up your mind.
As for updates, US carrier versions tend to be slower and no surprises there with all the bloatware and restrictions they have to build into the firmware
Also there are ton of posts on xda where users with 2.3.3/2.3.4 devices complain about not receiving 2.3.5 updates and same goes for 3.0/3.1 users not receiving 3.2 update without knowing what that new revision brings to the table

As corps begin to adopt smartphones, the first thing a CIO will ask, "What's the Product Life Cycle?"
3GS gets iOS5 but the Nexus One won't get ICS!? Lowe's just ordered 42,000 iPhones, I would have too. Pull your head out Google!!! It's not just the kids who want updates but the grown ups too!
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