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[Q] Custom ROMs on Tablets

Is it possible to install a custom ROM on a tablet that is NOT listed on many of the sites listing customs ROMs for cell phones or on the app ROM Manager list? Is there a way to compare a cell phone ROM (native OS?) with a tablet ROM?
Is there a way to install Android 2.2 (Froyo) on a tablet running 2.1 (Eclair) w/out installing a custom ROM?

cBirdR said:
Is it possible to install a custom ROM on a tablet that is NOT listed on many of the sites listing customs ROMs for cell phones or on the app ROM Manager list? Is there a way to compare a cell phone ROM (native OS?) with a tablet ROM?Is there a way to install Android 2.2 (Froyo) on a tablet running 2.1 (Eclair) w/out installing a custom ROM?
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You can't install a cell phone rom on a tablet. If you do.. then something bad will happen. You would probably have to wait for the official froyo update for your tablet since you wouldn't want a custom one. If you did, then you could get froyo the unofficial way. And for the cell phone rom.. you would have to be a developer/hacker to modify it (key mapping, resolution, etc.) and customize it to make it able to run on your tablet.

Ugh. Wished I'd have asked two days ago! Wasted hours stumbling around websites. No hope of an official update for the SmartQ T7.
What do you mean, ..."get Froyo the unofficial way"?
Oh, and thanks for saving me more hours and a bricked tablet.

cBirdR said:
Ugh. Wished I'd have asked two days ago! Wasted hours stumbling around websites. No hope of an official update for the SmartQ T7.
What do you mean, ..."get Froyo the unofficial way"?
Oh, and thanks for saving me more hours and a bricked tablet.
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Glad I helped. Anyways by getting it the unofficial way, is to get a custom built rom from a developer, but the bad news is that your device is not a category around here so no developer would publicly make a custom rom for it here.

[Q] ASOP Sidekick 4G ROM?

Am I the only one who is unhappy with the slim pickings of ROMs that are available for the SK4G?
Does anyone know anything about an ASOP ROM?

It's AOSP (Android Open Source Project) and you're not the only one not happy with the current SK4G options. I personally want MIUI or CM7, but seeing as we're currently stuck with Froyo, we'll have to see what the devs can cook up.
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For future reference, questions go in the General forum, not the Development Forum.
As for AOSP or MIUI, I know that AyoTeddy and Revolution are currently working on separate MIUI roms, and for AOSP, I'm working on that, but not sure exactly what you want from AOSP that's different from what we have?
If you are unhappy with the selection of ROMS here, you are always welcome to make your own, android is open source for a reason.

sduvick said:
For future reference, questions go in the General forum, not the Development Forum.
As for AOSP or MIUI, I know that AyoTeddy and Revolution are currently working on separate MIUI roms, and for AOSP, I'm working on that, but not sure exactly what you want from AOSP that's different from what we have?
If you are unhappy with the selection of ROMS here, you are always welcome to make your own, android is open source for a reason.
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If they want the real miui we will need some sort of aosp gingerbread to start with and a custom CM7 kernel or something.. Since we dont have either yet I guess we'll have to make the best out of what we have now like we have been. But those wanting a taste of miui may like what I have planned for my next release.
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ayoteddy said:
If they want the real miui we will need some sort of aosp gingerbread to start with and a custom CM7 kernel or something.. Since we dont have either yet I guess we'll have to make the best out of what we have now like we have been. But those wanting a taste of miui may like what I have planned for my next release.
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And so anticipation had set in, i can't wait ayoteddy. im very excited. SMX was great, and SMGC was awesome, and now with this? whewwww. think i better go lay down, lol.

I'm also interested in porting CM7 to Sk4g cause I'm used to when I had G1 and now I'm using Sk4g without it.
I have programming skill and understanding of linux architecture. I've read about android architecture and AOSP and how to build Cyanogen from source. I'm running a tech firm (about 30 employees) - we are developing games that's why I don't have enough time to port it faster but I'm going to do it in a month or two.
So, I need help from experienced dev for android who is willing to build AOSP rom for Sk4g.
Here is what I'm going to do:
1) I'm gonna try to build Kd1 rom from source (there is an opensource code from samsung) and flash it to my Sk4g
2) Change the platform in original source to AOSP 2.2 and remove all TMOBILE apps - then build and flash
3) I'll try to find all hardware specs of the phone to compare with other samsung devices. It can help to exctract proprietary drivers of the phone. I think that the drivers are commonly the same, but I need to identify it.
After that I'm gonna upgrade to AOSP 2.3 but I don't have enough knowledge right now. Can some experienced devs answer the questions:
1) Are the linux kernels of AOSP 2.2 and 2.3 identical?
2) Can I use device drivers from 2.2 on 2.3?
If someone is interested in this project - please let me know and let's start the job. I think that my progress wouldn't be fast due to lack of time.

Thank you for joining the Sidekick 4G section , & we welcome you but if you want you could pause the game's for the ROM if anything & Question 1 is a no & Question 2 no cause they have to be compiled with the 2.3 kernel .
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jmpz said:
I'm also interested in porting CM7 to Sk4g cause I'm used to when I had G1 and now I'm using Sk4g without it.
I have programming skill and understanding of linux architecture. I've read about android architecture and AOSP and how to build Cyanogen from source. I'm running a tech firm (about 30 employees) - we are developing games that's why I don't have enough time to port it faster but I'm going to do it in a month or two.
So, I need help from experienced dev for android who is willing to build AOSP rom for Sk4g.
Here is what I'm going to do:
1) I'm gonna try to build Kd1 rom from source (there is an opensource code from samsung) and flash it to my Sk4g
2) Change the platform in original source to AOSP 2.2 and remove all TMOBILE apps - then build and flash
3) I'll try to find all hardware specs of the phone to compare with other samsung devices. It can help to exctract proprietary drivers of the phone. I think that the drivers are commonly the same, but I need to identify it.
After that I'm gonna upgrade to AOSP 2.3 but I don't have enough knowledge right now. Can some experienced devs answer the questions:
1) Are the linux kernels of AOSP 2.2 and 2.3 identical?
2) Can I use device drivers from 2.2 on 2.3?
If someone is interested in this project - please let me know and let's start the job. I think that my progress wouldn't be fast due to lack of time.
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Revolution, thanks for relaying my responses.
jmpz, I tried building the source before, but was unable to build it completely, but that was possibly because of some errors with my dependencies. The kernel compiles fine from source, you just need to pull initramfs, or you can get it from Dr. Honk's github.

Thank you for your answers.
So, can anyone enumerate the list of drivers which we should extract from kernel?
I can name these:
1) Keyboard
2) Mic
3) 2 speakers
4) buttons
5) front camera
6) rear camera
7) trackpoint
8) lcd
9) digitizer
10) 3.5 jack
Please correct me and add missing
If I understanding it rightly the key problem is getting proprietary drivers from the kernel. Right?

nope, the key problem is trying to build the system entirely, without any errors, which may be easier with someone following a stock designed build environment. I don't use Ubuntu which is what has the listed dependencies for every tutorial I can find. You can get the drivers out of Dr. Honk's voodoo kernel ramdisk here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145139
There shouldn't be any problems if you just set up a build environment following the directions in any of the tutorials, then add the platform from the samsung source.

I'm a linuxoid - so these tutorial are for me. Thank you for the link.
By the way, drivers are in Linux Kernel, so I don't think that I need to use Samsung Platform from the source. Instead I wanna use platform from AOSP or Cyanogen. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think that grabbing drivers from kernel source from samsung would be enough to build the rom.

jmpz said:
I'm also interested in porting CM7 to Sk4g cause I'm used to when I had G1 and now I'm using Sk4g without it.
I have programming skill and understanding of linux architecture. I've read about android architecture and AOSP and how to build Cyanogen from source. I'm running a tech firm (about 30 employees) - we are developing games that's why I don't have enough time to port it faster but I'm going to do it in a month or two.
So, I need help from experienced dev for android who is willing to build AOSP rom for Sk4g.
Here is what I'm going to do:
1) I'm gonna try to build Kd1 rom from source (there is an opensource code from samsung) and flash it to my Sk4g
2) Change the platform in original source to AOSP 2.2 and remove all TMOBILE apps - then build and flash
3) I'll try to find all hardware specs of the phone to compare with other samsung devices. It can help to exctract proprietary drivers of the phone. I think that the drivers are commonly the same, but I need to identify it.
After that I'm gonna upgrade to AOSP 2.3 but I don't have enough knowledge right now. Can some experienced devs answer the questions:
1) Are the linux kernels of AOSP 2.2 and 2.3 identical?
2) Can I use device drivers from 2.2 on 2.3?
If someone is interested in this project - please let me know and let's start the job. I think that my progress wouldn't be fast due to lack of time.
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I 100% support your efforts. I want Cyanogen on the SK4G badly, but I'm not sure what kind of help a non-programmer like me could do, but do have some experience with flashing phones and such, so if there is anything you need let me know.
If you do get rolling heavily on this, I'd be willing to donate monetarily to your efforts.

If anyone can get CyanogenMod 7 on the Sidekick they would definetely get a donation from me. Id be thrilled. Glad to see its going to be worked on.
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Does Android need ROM to work ?

As I have understand ROM is only manufacturers " own look". So is it possible to somehow delete ROM and use "naked" android ?
Im using Motorola DEFY 2.2.2 (nordic nonblur version)
This could be stupid question. But yes, Im beginner in Android world

Even if you use "naked" Android, this would still be a ROM. This is what's commonly referred to as 'stock' Android.. And yes it is possible, just do a search for a 'barebones' ROM. Here's one.
A phone without a ROM is like a computer without an operating system. It may as well be an empty box.

Motodefyuser said:
As I have understand ROM is only manufacturers " own look". So is it possible to somehow delete ROM and use "naked" android ?
Im using Motorola DEFY 2.2.2 (nordic nonblur version)
This could be stupid question. But yes, Im beginner in Android world
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a custom Rom (like cm7) is just a modified android firmware which has his own look and the "unnecessary" System Apps are deleted, the whole android system is customized, you have more settings...
i hope i could help you.
sorry for my bad english!
Julian

juli9797 said:
a custom Rom (like cm7) is just a modified android firmware which has his own look and the "unnecessary" System Apps are deleted, the whole android system is customized, you have more settings...
i hope i could help you.
sorry for my bad english!
Julian
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Ookay. Thanks. Im not gonna install any custom ROM yet coz' Im not sure about all these things whitch you need to do to install custom ROM. But maby in future when Im more vise...
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I've always wondered why they still it a ROM. In early days, smartphones and PDAs had a read only memory area which stored the Operating System(OS) of the device. This is how the word ROM came. I think this is not relevant anymore and a OS would be more descriptive.
If you swap the word ROM with the word Operating System(OS), everything will be clear. Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS.
All devices come with a preinstalled ROM designed by the manufacturer. This is called stock ROM.
Then, there's vanilla ROM or AOSP ROM. These ROMs have the Android OS in its purest form as developed by Google. Most manufacturers add a custom interface and software in the stock ROM.
Finally, we have custom ROMs. There are extensively modified ROMs which have features and customization you can't find in custom or AOSP ROMs. These are usually for the people who want to push their device beyond its limits. It's kind of like getting a tattoo. Famous examples include CyanogenMod, MIUI and MCR.

nibras_reeza said:
I've always wondered why they still it a ROM. In early days, smartphones and PDAs had a read only memory area which stored the Operating System(OS) of the device. This is how the word ROM came. I think this is not relevant anymore and a OS would be more descriptive.
If you swap the word ROM with the word Operating System(OS), everything will be clear. Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS.
All devices come with a preinstalled ROM designed by the manufacturer. This is called stock ROM.
Then, there's vanilla ROM or AOSP ROM. These ROMs have the Android OS in its purest form as developed by Google. Most manufacturers add a custom interface and software in the stock ROM.
Finally, we have custom ROMs. There are extensively modified ROMs which have features and customization you can't find in custom or AOSP ROMs. These are usually for the people who want to push their device beyond its limits. It's kind of like getting a tattoo. Famous examples include CyanogenMod, MIUI and MCR.
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"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..

Motodefyuser said:
"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..
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No. You still need a ROM, just think of a rom as the operating system. You can flash a rom that's what you're looking for. Look through your phone's development section & see if you can find something that you like. Then if you don't know how to flash custom roms, read about that until you understand. It's not hard to do, and I bet you'll like your phone even more once you find a rom that you like.
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plainjane said:
No. You still need a ROM, just think of a rom as the operating system. You can flash a rom that's what you're looking for. Look through your phone's development section & see if you can find something that you like. Then if you don't know how to flash custom roms, read about that until you understand. It's not hard to do, and I bet you'll like your phone even more once you find a rom that you like.
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Okay. Thanks mate !

Motodefyuser said:
"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..
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You can *replace* the MotoBlur ROM by Motorola with a AOSP or Vanilla ROM for your phone. This is specific to your phone and you should see the development section for your phone.
A phone will not function without a ROM. It's like the Windows or Linux in a PC. ROM is just another word for Operating System.

nibras_reeza said:
You can *replace* the MotoBlur ROM by Motorola with a AOSP or Vanilla ROM for your phone. This is specific to your phone and you should see the development section for your phone.
A phone will not function without a ROM. It's like the Windows or Linux in a PC. ROM is just another word for Operating System.
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Okay. Thanks! Then one question coz' you know about these Do z4root work? And is it safe?
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Motodefyuser said:
Okay. Thanks! Then one question coz' you know about these Do z4root work? And is it safe?
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No rooting or modding procedure is 100% risk free. There's always a slight risk although it's very minimal.
Most often, even if something goes wrong and you can't use the phone, you can usually boot into bootloader/fastboot/recovery and use a PC software that came with your phone to restore it to the factory state.
I have used z4root. I don't prefer it but it's relatively easy and works on all 2.1 phones, some 2.2 phones and very few 2.3 phones. If your model is listed as supported, it will most probably work.
Nonetheless, this question is specific to your phone and you should ask it in the Motorola Defy forums or another Defy user.

New to rooting with this phone

I have rooted 3 phones prior to this one. I have it all set up and running Refuse 1.7. I have seen that there are a good load of roms available for the infuse 4g. Many of them say 2.3.5, etc. Is that the android version needed by the phone before installing the rom? I am on 2.2.1 and am worried about installing any other rom, than one which has froyo in the name leaving me with only 3 choices. Any help would be appreciated I want to try a miui rom or something else from here but am worried that since I have 2.2.1 when I install one that has 2.3 in its name I will brick.

Cjohns8792 said:
I have rooted 3 phones prior to this one. I have it all set up and running Refuse 1.7. I have seen that there are a good load of roms available for the infuse 4g. Many of them say 2.3.5, etc. Is that the android version needed by the phone before installing the rom? I am on 2.2.1 and am worried about installing any other rom, than one which has froyo in the name leaving me with only 3 choices. Any help would be appreciated I want to try a miui rom or something else from here but am worried that since I have 2.2.1 when I install one that has 2.3 in its name I will brick.
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No bro, the " 2.3.5" or "2.3.6" its that ROMs Android version, not the one needed to install it, still you do need a modified recovery to easily install a custom rom. I would personally recomend this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220088
as a good guide for new guys trying to install custom roms since the instructions are very detailed and hardly would give you trouble. After installing that rom you would have gathered the necessary knowledge to choose your next rom like MIUI or CM7 or another samsung Infuse rom or Samsung port to Infuse.

[Q] Aosp and Kernel

I am building an aosp ROM for the galaxy player 5.0 as an independent study at my school. I have the stock kernel for it that I extracted out of an odin image and I was wondering, do I have to build aosp around the kernel because I heard aosp kernels aren't good with the drivers and I need every function to work. I have found many tutorials for aosp and I am not going to use Googles since I can't understand that as much as other ones on the internet. Can someone enlighten me on the subject so I'm not going to fail, its due by january and I am still on the fence about whether I can do this. I just need some guidance and not to have somebody do it for me.