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Task Killers and Android

My friend just got the Captivate last week and we were discussing everything Android could do. I have been using Android for almost a year. I had the Hero and now the Evo. This has allowed me to learn how Android works. Especially how the operating system handles processes/apps.
The day he bought the phone, the ATT rep told him he needed a task killer and installed it for him. This really upset me because I have learned that this is not true due to the way Android handles programs and resources. Simply put Android assigns a number to each process running and starts killing off apps based on those numbers once it drops below a certain amount of RAM.
Task killers often do more harm than good.
Many new Android users have a Windows mindset when it comes to the operating system of the Captivate. You know if it is running it is sucking up resources and slowing everything down. With Android, even though it is listed as running in a task manager does not mean it is sucking up resources. It lies dormant for a while using little to no CPU. Some apps the need to run to keep your phone working correctly and getting those notifications. A lot of people complain that apps restart right after killing them. That is because the system was not done with them. So they restart using up more CPU and more battery. I hear a lot of people say that a task killer saves then more battery but I am still not quite sure how. Could be a poorly programmed app they have downloaded or stuff syncing too often that was causing the battery drain. I had a task killer the first week I had my Hero and once I removed it I saw better overall results.
If anyone would like more details, a developer and friend of mine has typed up a more detailed description of how Android manages its memory on its on. Here is the link. http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
I hope this was educational and helpful because knowledge is power.
-Ken
Also, for those that are rooted, download an app called AutoKiller. It changes the factory values in which Android kills off apps so that they get killed off sooner. It has presents within the app. I keep mine at aggressive. For those who are not rooted, download Spare Parts and go down to the Process Manager and turn it on Aggressive. It does the same thing in a way as AutoKiller but seems to be much more aggressive at killing apps off. Too aggressive for my taste.
All grammar and spelling mistakes were done on purpose. Thx. ;P
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Unless you have an application that is broken or improperly coded (like the Facebook app issue recently), you wont need a task killer ever.

MikeyMike01 said:
Unless you have an application that is broken or improperly coded (like the Facebook app issue recently), you wont need a task killer ever.
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I agree, and if an app is crappy enough to need killing,i uninstall it (ie savvyshopper).

MikeyMike01 said:
Unless you have an application that is broken or improperly coded (like the Facebook app issue recently), you wont need a task killer ever.
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I would have to disagree to certain extent, with my ignorant and limited knowledge
Imma a call a teenzy weenzy bs too.
I have experienced memory ill effects with my captivate. I could have killed the few apps that I hadn't previously removed. A lil while later suffer some phone abnormalities that seem to vanish when I kill the proggies that started on their own, that weren't even previously killed. The ram would be sitting fat and happy at around 50 megs, until I kill the apps that I don't use. Out of the blue, my phone starts working normally after that.
The op is campaigning against these app killers but uses a proggy of the same variety, just a different flavor.
I didn't read the link, just basing myself on the 2 posts before mine.

a_fuegon said:
I would have to disagree to certain extent, with my ignorant and limited knowledge
Imma a call a teenzy weenzy bs too.
I have experienced memory ill effects with my captivate. I could have killed the few apps that I hadn't previously removed. A lil while later suffer some phone abnormalities that seem to vanish when I kill the proggies that started on their own, that weren't even previously killed. The ram would be sitting fat and happy at around 50 megs, until I kill the apps that I don't use. Out of the blue, my phone starts working normally after that.
The op is campaigning against these app killers but uses a proggy of the same variety, just a different flavor.
I didn't read the link, just basing myself on the 2 posts before mine.
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The app I mentioned does not work the same way as the others in the market. It literally changes system settings within Android so that apps are removed from memory sooner. As for misbehavng apps, uninstall them. Find a replacement. The Facebook app was a good example. But I just used an older version until the wakelock issue was resolved. Don't get me wrong in those rare cases a task killer will be a temp fix. However, once the phone is upgraded to 2.2, there will be a built in settings menu to access the running processes. Thus completely eliminating the need for a 3rd party task killer.
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notasimpleway said:
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Best sig ever.

I installed AutoKiller this morning. What's equally interesting is that the same author has an app called Autorun Killer. The following apps were starting up on their own:
AT&T Hot Spots
AT&T Navigator
Daily Briefing
Instant Messaging
Swype
ShopSavvy
The Weather Channel
WeatherBug
etc.
I've disabled each of these from auto loading during each startup. It may or may not matter from an operational standpoint, but it makes me "feel" better. A control issue? "I'll tell you when to start!"
A tiny bit OT, but I thought it might be useful.

However, once the phone is upgraded to 2.2, there will be a built in settings menu to access the running processes. Thus completely eliminating the need for a 3rd party task killer.
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Android already has that in 2.1. Do you mean they are improving it?
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this is totally true
i definately had that windows mindset, but ive learned better
now i use watchdog light(monitors processes for high CPU usage rather than mem)
watchdog is designed around this idea, and i highly recomend it
on the other hand i still have atk to kill things at startup that i never use, like car home and desk home

k2snowboards88 said:
Android already has that in 2.1. Do you mean they are improving it?
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Well, yes. It is much better. I think the memfree settings are a little higher. Not sure.
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Jack45 said:
I installed AutoKiller this morning. What's equally interesting is that the same author has an app called Autorun Killer. The following apps were starting up on their own:
AT&T Hot Spots
AT&T Navigator
Daily Briefing
Instant Messaging
Swype
ShopSavvy
The Weather Channel
WeatherBug
etc.
I've disabled each of these from auto loading during each startup. It may or may not matter from an operational standpoint, but it makes me "feel" better. A control issue? "I'll tell you when to start!"
A tiny bit OT, but I thought it might be useful.
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I use a paid app for that called AutoStarts. I like both. Let's you complete stop programs from starting not only at start up but even when a certain event happens. Such as for Sprint phones we have a navigation program that auto starts in the background when we get a text. I can see. Say we get an address and want to get directions, it will be ready to go. But it is not needed. So I disabled it. Other apps do this with other conditions. I like control over thinks so I feel you. Just be careful on what you disable. You can mess some things up. And some things will restart anyways because the system needs them.
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dewt said:
Best sig ever.
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I just thought since I use the Evo this should be my signature.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Unless you have an application that is broken or improperly coded (like the Facebook app issue recently), you wont need a task killer ever.
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While I do not doubt any of the claims that android does not need a task killer, i did a little testing(not really testing, more comparing) since i have 2 captivates at my disposal...me and my wife's. My buddy stopped by with his iPhone 4 who thinks it is the fastest phone to ever be released. Now i know the android browser is just flat out faster than the ios browser since I've owned every one and returned the iPhone 4 for the cappy. He wanted to do a browser speed test so i agreed and we raced. I beat him 9 out of 10 times but just barely. It seemed like my captivate was being a little laggy and I'm running sre @ 1.2ghz with the ext4 lag fix. So i compared mine to my wife's bone stock cappy and hers beat mine by a little bit. So for ****s and giggles i redownloaded advanced task killer and killed about the 10 thing that were listed besides the things i wanted to run and bam, back to screaming speeds. Faster and snappier than my wife's cappy and even more faster than his iphone. So while I'm not sure if their absolutely necessary in my case it did make a noticeable speed difference.

di11igaf said:
While I do not doubt any of the claims that android does not need a task killer, i did a little testing(not really testing, more comparing) since i have 2 captivates at my disposal...me and my wife's. My buddy stopped by with his iPhone 4 who thinks it is the fastest phone to ever be released. Now i know the android browser is just flat out faster than the ios browser since I've owned every one and returned the iPhone 4 for the cappy. He wanted to do a browser speed test so i agreed and we raced. I beat him 9 out of 10 times but just barely. It seemed like my captivate was being a little laggy and I'm running sre @ 1.2ghz with the ext4 lag fix. So i compared mine to my wife's bone stock cappy and hers beat mine by a little bit. So for ****s and giggles i redownloaded advanced task killer and killed about the 10 thing that were listed besides the things i wanted to run and bam, back to screaming speeds. Faster and snappier than my wife's cappy and even more faster than his iphone. So while I'm not sure if their absolutely necessary in my case it did make a noticeable speed difference.
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Well, you will notice once you get 2.2. Task Managers just won't work. They removed the command that they use to kill apps. They just restart. Restarting apps will mean more battery consumption. I was trying to educate because knowledge is power. Here is a really good explanation. http://www.tested.com/news/android-task-killers-are-deadheres-what-you-should-be-doing/923/ But if you feel it works, by all means, continue. I stopped using one back on my Hero running Android 1.5 and never looked back.
Since you are rooted, why don't you install AutoKiller? Give it a chance and delete ATK. Trust me. Set it to aggressive. And run another test. You will never have to manually kill apps again. Well, unless you have a rogue app. Msg me if you need some help.
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[Q] How's that HTC Inspire?

I have the Atrix 4G and am having too many issues with it. So I was thinking of transferring over to the Inspire.
Few questions:
-Hows the battery?
-Are the data speeds any better than the Atrix?
-Does the UI and the OS run smoothly?

UI is solid and runs well. Battery is good if you treat it nicely as far as wifi, data and brightness. Can't tell you anything about data speeds vs. Atrix. What kind of issues are you having with the Atrix?

Androidude said:
UI is solid and runs well. Battery is good if you treat it nicely as far as wifi, data and brightness. Can't tell you anything about data speeds vs. Atrix. What kind of issues are you having with the Atrix?
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The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.

Magic_Bunny said:
The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.
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HSPA+ wont be deployed til next month.

Just picked mine up today. LOVE it so far. Noticed that it seems to charge much faster than my friend's Incredible and doesn't seem to drain as quickly. This phone is infinitely better than the Captivate I returned. The only thing I miss at all is Swype. Gonna install that later today.
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there are people installing swype and they are saying it works well. I personally have never got to the point where I liked it. It just made me have to think too much when trying to compose anything but to each thier own...

I've had the Inspire for almost a week now.
Hows the battery?
- The battery isn't as bad as I thought. You still have to babysit it, though. Turning the desplay down and staying on top of Bluetooth and Wifi usage will help. I can get through the day with only 1 charge. 1 Push email, 2 other emails @ 30 min. syncs, half dozen calls, moderate texting, and moderate web browsing.
Are the data speeds any better than the Atrix?
- Don't have the Atrix to test. There are reviews on the web that have tried and tested both. It'd be best if you try to find those to make a conclusion. Keep in mind though, data speeds are only as could as the carrier. In this case, we're dealing with the Death Star. Read into that what you may.
Does the UI and the OS run smoothly?
- The US and OS run as smooth as warm butter over toast. Many reviews online also report the same. I see no lags. The 2nd generation Snapdragon processor definitely helps. You won't be disappointed in OS speed.
As for switching between the Atrix, you may need to look into battery life depending on how you use your phone. As far as data speeds, do a little research as I don't know the answer. You won't be disappointed with the Inspire though. I LOVE the phone!

I exchanged my inspire and got the atrix; big mistake. I had to go back to radio shack to get my inspire back. The atrix is not for me. I like HTC and sense.
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I am absolutely loving my inspire. Especially since I rooted and installed a custom Rom and overclocked kernel.
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I've never used the Atrix, but the Inspire is amazing. I took my phone off the charger this morning at ten and still have 48% left. This is with moderate texting, web browsing, market, and just messing around with the operating system, so the small battery doesnt affect me that much.
I'd go with it.
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roidsmith said:
I've never used the Atrix, but the Inspire is amazing. I took my phone off the charger this morning at ten and still have 48% left. This is with moderate texting, web browsing, market, and just messing around with the operating system, so the small battery doesnt affect me that much.
I'd go with it.
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I use my phone A LOT. I text, video chat, download apps, listen to music, call people, play games, and watch movies. So I think ill stick with the bigger 1930mAh battery in the Atrix.
Thanks though

Magic_Bunny said:
The "HSPA+" is the same or slower than the 3G that my captivate had.
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That is not your phones fault. It's att they locked it out of hsupa untill may. Same with inspire.
Battery is better than with mycaptivate. This phone rocks.
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Hows the touch screen keyboard?

SilverSavage said:
Hows the touch screen keyboard?
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I've been attached to a physical keyboard for years. I decided to let it go cause I wanted the Inspire, and I've found the keyboard very easy to get used to.

Magic_Bunny said:
I use my phone A LOT. I text, video chat, download apps, listen to music, call people, play games, and watch movies. So I think ill stick with the bigger 1930mAh battery in the Atrix.
Thanks though
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The Inspire "only" has a 1230 mAh battery, but it's also a single-core, extremely efficient CPU. Talk time is rated about the same for both phones, but the standby on the Atrix is much, much lower (372 vs 250 hours, according to gsmarena). What does that mean? I suspect it means the Inspire is much kinder to it's battery.
Having said that, I rebooted my (mostly) stock phone today, and noticed the battery life was much, much worse. Loading Advanced Task Killer** I saw there were about 30 running apps, with about 111mb free. Killed the non-essentials, and things seem better now.
** I don't advocate task killers, and I never use them in automatic mode-- they are useful occasionally, though.

homeslice976 said:
I've been attached to a physical keyboard for years. I decided to let it go cause I wanted the Inspire, and I've found the keyboard very easy to get used to.
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Ok, I was asking because its the same with me. I really prefer a keyboard but I dont really think I want the LG Quantum (I have an upgrade coming up and I think im gonna go with the Inspire) so the inspire is the phone I'm considering, but I was never big on touch screen keyboards because of response and ease of use. Plus, all of my recent phones have been windows phones, but I wanna try an Android powered phone. As long as I can sync my contacts from Outlook and create word docs im fine.

i have the inspire and love it
im watching this right now
youtube com/watch?v=bf_w_BC-I68
apparently i cant post links

I really enjoy the Inspire. My battery life was ok until I loaded CM7 on it. Once I did that, my battery life improved astronomically. I'm torn between my iPhone 4 and Inspire. I wish there was a way to cross them because there are aspects I truly love about both.

Task killers are gay, they don't anything helpful. Not with Android 2.1 and up... they're useless. Android operating system.knows what processes to keep and kill when needed... freeing up RAM on an Android OS is not necessarily a "good" thing. Just saying.
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mcca555 said:
i have the inspire and love it
im watching this right now
youtube com/watch?v=bf_w_BC-I68
apparently i cant post links
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Great link.. I don't regret my purchase

Battery Optimization

So, with all this talk of over clocked/undervolt kernals, smartass gov, setcpu, and juicedefender, I was wondering what the definitive way to optimize battery is (without doing a bump charge).
I dont need any crazy quadrant scores or anything. I just need a phone that can play the occasional game here and there, surf the web, and text message; all while being lag free.
I have done all the "normal" battery savings like turning off 4g (live in 3g only area anyways), backlight lowered, no live wallpaper, ect. My question is what is the "best" method for squeezing out the most juice?
I know there are MANY opinions as to what the best is, but I thought I would poll the masses here and get their 2 cents on the subject.

Well, I pay attention to my current widget. There's certain areas where battery drain is a problem with mobile data turned on. I turn off mobile data when I'm in those areas. Being mindful of that has been the #1 battery saver for me. In fact, I even run with automatic brightness instead of a very low brightness setting and I get better battery life now than before.

I seem to get better battery on lower, mainly because when I do auto, it goes full blast most of the time, and likes to switch about 20 times from high to low while im texting.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.) works best. I know kernals seem to give better performance and battery to some, but I read some of the kernal builds have some hiccups still.
Just wondering what you guys have found is best and most stable of the "detailed" methods.

footballer62 said:
I seem to get better battery on lower
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Of course, I do as well. I was just saying that turning off mobile data in the areas that tend to cause my phone to draw 700+mA saves a significant more amount of power than turning the screen to low.
I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
My main question here is out of the more detailed methods (new kernal, setcpu, ect.)
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Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.

NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.

Zshazz said:
I'm currently planning to try out setting Tasker to automatically turn off mobile data when connected to problematic towers.
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I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!

Zshazz said:
Well, I'm running BAMF 1.3 with the smartass governor. It saves quite a bit of power and has very little setup (you don't have to set up profiles with setcpu).
The newest Tasker adds CPU frequency control support... it doesn't currently work on the ROM I'm running ... but I'd imagine when we get CM7, it'll work. Presumably you could use that to always scale down the CPU until you open up specific apps that benefit from additional clockspeed. It could save a bit of power.
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Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.

hehe...
This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???

squeeze said:
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Never mind. I guess the thread title was fine "battery optimization". But those gas/hybrid nerds (like me) love using the term hypermiling.

I like using setcpu profiles or custom kernels
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n2imagination said:
Hello guys, Im coming over from the eris/custom rom to TB this past week. I was wondering what kind of life you are experiencing with the custom roms here like BAMF. I haven't rooted it yet but am planning to since the current battery life is not acceptable in my daily life. I love the phone but need to figure out if I can keep it or not by helping my battery life. I have 4g disabled since it is not even avail in my area yet but still only getting 6-7 hrs. Thanks for any help, opinions, or redirects.
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6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
squeeze said:
This is great. Reminds me of hypermiling with my car/hybrid to get the most gas out of it. Well...it's about that time again with fuel costs going up.
So what is the equivalent term of hypermiling for handhelds/phones? Hyper-???
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Battery optimization is just a term I figured work, but hypermiling sounds pretty sexy Increases your battery mileage of course!

I'm using Superpower to disable data connection when the screen off. Seems to be working well.

footballer62 said:
6-7 hours? Jeez. I have a fairly stock rom (perfect storm, which is more or less just bloat free) with 4G off, backlight to around 35%, only one gps running - the google one for the HTC weather, I use wifi when at home, I have nothing that pushes except my main gmail and the htc weather, do texting all day, and about an hour of internet a day. With this setup after 16 hours I have always had over 50% battery.
How many things do you have pushing data? Facebook or twitter? And if so what is the interval? Also, how much on the net are you, and how often do you game?
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Never game, 2 gmail accounts, fb few times a day, no twitter, net 2-3 times a day. This is stock sense on the phone though. Thats why I was looking into the dif roms to see what battery life was like with dif kernel on it. I will prob root and toss a rom on there to see if it gets me better life (which im sure it will), but considering waiting until the 16th (rumor out that fairly big update coming and want to see if that may help at all).

distortedloop said:
I purchased Tasker a while back just because it sounds cool, but I've never really found useful tasks to run with it for how I use my device; still looking though!
Yours sounds ideal for some areas I go to. Please remember to share the Tasker profile you come up with for that functionality.
Thanks!
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Tutorial on Tasker CPU profiles can be found here

jbh00jh said:
NEW APP in the market - LTE OnOff - switches phone from 4G to 3G to save batt.
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This really is the best way to save battery at the moment.

I made my battery last the whole day after I installed Automatic Task Killer from the market. It kills selected processes as long as the screen is off. I get home after 9 hours at work and I still have ~40% battery left. Before I installed Automatic Task Killer my TB was dead after 9 hours.
There is so much random bloatware on the TB from vzw that it eats the battery fast. I just need to root I had a Eris on a custom ROM before the TB and I could go 2 days easy without a charge.
This seems to be a fix for the time being. Too bad there is no way for developers to make a one click root like on the Eris. I will have to bite the bullet and do it the old fashioned way.

Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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chanmannn said:
Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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X2
and what is suppose to happen with this update?

I use an app called System Panel that's got all kinds of nifty information available to the curious.

chanmannn said:
Can you reference where you heard this "April 16th update" rumor? I'd like to read about this one and see the credibility behind it.
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They are all just rumors (like any other update/upgrade "news") but...
http://htcsource.com/2011/03/rumour-htc-thunderbolt-to-get-gingerbread-update-in-q2-2011/
http://technology.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979166628
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/03/27/htc-thunderbolt-getting-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-in-q2/
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-thunderbolt-getting-gingerbread-by-summer-20110326/

Juice Defender feedback vote needed

To all G2x community,
I am having problems with juice defender, to be more specific whenever I hang up from a phone call there is a delay in the hang up process, usually takes 5 to 10 seconds after I press end call. The issue is posted on the Juice Defender feedback forum, and I just wanted to call on you guys to pump up the vote tally for this issue. So if you can, just click on the link and give it the max 3 votes I'd appreciate it.
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forum...ns/2257272-no-data-connection-while-on-phone-

Edit: Whoops.

I get the same problem, I also have a problem with WiFi calling constantly polling my phone as traffic even with WiFi disabled with the phone set as WiFi Calling on Enable/Screen Off.

I always wondered why there was a delay on hangup... Never knew it was a JD thing though. Hope they address it quickly

I don't use these types of apps, but a while back I noticed a new similar app in the market. I'm curious as to how it compares to Juice Defender, has anyone tried it? It's called Go Power Master (by the same devs who made GoSMS and Go Keyboard etc.)
Sorry if this is a thread hijack

PhantomRampage said:
I don't use these types of apps, but a while back I noticed a new similar app in the market. I'm curious as to how it compares to Juice Defender, has anyone tried it? It's called Go Power Master (by the same devs who made GoSMS and Go Keyboard etc.)
Sorry if this is a thread hijack
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Looks like the same idea... I may give it a shot as I use go launcher already and like their products (some of them)
Edit: That app is nowhere close to as customizable as juice defender and its ui is really ugly hahaa defiantly sticking with jd
Pin it to Win it.

Are you using a specific rom or just stock? I have ran into this issue with or without jd on certain roms (can't recall exactly such ones atm) but it may be a conflict also. I run jd on tsugi right now and use the 2g/3g since it still doesn't work radio wise with that version. But I have jd ultimate for the wifi capabilities, and have on all other roms for the past year and a half.
I have used certain roms along with certain kertain kernals without jd and had that issue though. I understand when its disabled things goto normal, so I guess are you running froyo, gb, 2.3.7 or ics?
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I'm running Weapon G2x 3.0_R1 ROM with the stock kernel and using Juice Defender Plus.

I'm running stock firmware non-rooted with JD plus and getting delayed hangup.

JD is pointless, all it does is turn off data when the screen turns off and on when the screen is on. This can be done by the touch of a button easy.
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theking_13 said:
JD is pointless, all it does is turn off data when the screen turns off and on when the screen is on. This can be done by the touch of a button easy.
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True but it fires does make it easier and more automated
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TheCoutures said:
True but it fires does make it easier and more automated
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Thing is i WANT the data to stay on even during screen off, its not like i have a lot of traffic going on 24/7 anyways, its gonna update stuff like facebook, messenger, email twitter etc only, which uses very little traffic anyways.
I tried to set it updating everything whenever i turn screen on and all it did was cause some minor lag whenever i unlock screen.....not a very good idea to me lol
And to the OP, juice defender actually made my battery WORSE.......it kept trying to close some background stuff for me and ended up using a lot more power than it should be. All you need to do is flash a better rom/kernel, underclock (and undervolt if your hardware allows it, mine doesnt but its good enough so it is fine on stock voltage underclocked).
I did a test recenly, exactly 20 hours and my battery stayed at 97% with very little activity, which I consider as very nice. The next day I used my pone for about an hour on talking, roughly 30minutes on games, and probably an hour for web browsing, and i still have 59% left at the end of the day
Regular battery too, i did not buy a powerful battery replacement.
So yeah SCREW JUICE DEFENDER!!!!

If you wanted data to stay on all the time, JD is completely useless to you. Seriously.
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I've used JD Plus for well over a year. I'm really starting to think the app is hype. I see no major difference with it or with out it. Pointless.

If you read back some threads before on JD, you would find out that JD off the market (at least it still is) does not work on the G2X for some reason. You have to install a beta version of it that was linked on these forums a while back and use that.
The market version was not able to shut off data at all whereas the beta version does.
I was able to get about 27 hours before my battery depleted just on a new ROM and not having to UV/OC any settings. I still use it on my GB ROMs. Doesn't really work on the ICS ROMs.

I have had it for a long time, and noticed quite a bit of difference compared to without it. GB did change that until the beta. And with ics, it does work for me. I use it for the data shutoff + automated wifi enable/ disable. If I really need an email that I'm waiting for and can't miss that extra 5 min of duration that it takes, I turn it off. That's where I notice the major difference, especially with the newer kernels for ics builds. But obviously it doesn't seem to work as well for some people, or some people just don't like it. That's why theirs different versions of everything.
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I'm giving this thing the bump!... I'm impressed with the votes, the vote total is in triple digits. We need some more votes to get this thing pushed through. It's the only thing that bugs me about JD right now, and I'm sure there are alot of people in the same boat.
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forum...ns/2257272-no-data-connection-while-on-phone-

Don't use it, it doesn't help.
For me the battery life on my settings was so good it decreased it due to my phone being woken up every 30 minutes.
This is my battery life on stock battery without JD
http://db.tt/5BIfrIAd
With JD I probably would've only gotten 18 hours.
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I don't know if JD does drain battery a lot or not. But I always have trouble with it connecting to Mobile Data quickly. I unlock the screen, it shows the 4g icon plus the four white bars, but it's usually connected only when the bars turn blue. And it takes forever for the bars to turn blue, like a 10 second delay, any way to fix it?

NekoNyapii said:
I don't know if JD does drain battery a lot or not. But I always have trouble with it connecting to Mobile Data quickly. I unlock the screen, it shows the 4g icon plus the four white bars, but it's usually connected only when the bars turn blue. And it takes forever for the bars to turn blue, like a 10 second delay, any way to fix it?
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No. It may help in some cases, but for me it is not needed.
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[Q] specific slowness on Sensation 4G

I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?

wjcarpenter said:
I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?
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Hi,
6.7.2 is quite old ,now.
Have you considered upgrading?
7.3 has just come out,with very few problems reported.
What does your bootloader say?

malybru said:
6.7.2 is quite old ,now.
Have you considered upgrading?
7.3 has just come out,with very few problems reported.
What does your bootloader say?
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Long ago, on another phone, I was one of those guys who regularly flashed ROMs in chase of ... something (I forget what ). Now, I'm just a guy who wants to use his phone every day with the zillion little application customizations and preferences and whatnot. If I decided to endure the pain of setting everything up again (and I'm probably exaggerating that pain in my brain-pan), I'd probably just flash back to stock. Although the ROM might be the problem, the specific nature of the two problems makes me hope/think/wonder that it might be just some setting somewhere that needs a punch in the arm.
Thanks for the suggestion though. Maybe I'll go poke around the changelogs for Android Revolution and see what's to see.

wjcarpenter said:
I have a Sensation 4G running Android Revolution HD 6.7.2 (bought used, came with, never changed it). I'm generally pretty happy with this situation, but there are two specific situations where it just slows to a crawl. As far as i can recall, it's always been this way for these two situations. (I've been using the phone with this ROM for about a year.)
The first situation is when I install any new app or even an update for an app. For several minutes after that, everything is very sluggish. I can still use the phone, but it's a huge pain. This is true whether or not I try to use the just-installed app or update. My best guess about this (and it's only a guess) is that the slow-down is due to populating the Dalvik cache for the new/updated app. Still, that seems like it ought to be a background thing with only minor impact on foreground performance.
The second situation is when I run the Chrome browser. Other browsers (native, FireFox, Puffin) are just fine. When I run Chrome, things really, really, really tank. When I use the developer option to overlay the load average on the screen, I've seen it go as high as 65. I don't care what kind of phone hardware you have ... if your load average is 65, you are not having a good day. Anyhow, things stay zonked pretty much forever, even if I don't actually do anything in Chrome, and even if it's in the background. I've waited literally hours hoping that something just had to "settle", but no luck. I often resort to a battery pull after Chrome experiments because it's too sluggish to wait for the power button long press. (I have Chrome on a couple other mobile devices, and it behaves just fine there.)
Anybody got any clues about things for me to try to alleviate by undeserved suffering?
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The first issue is because of our slow internal memory. The stall happening when updating/installing an app is because of long I/O waits it probably might happen over other custom roms you try here too but not as long as you said.. I used to have sluggish behavior couple of seconds after app installation (max 10 seconds). Now the only roms which were able to bypass this issue were the sense 4+ jellybean roms viz revelation / viperS 3.1.0 roms. If you want to prevent this annoying issue then change to either of those above roms.. Somehow jellybean roms were able to keep those I/O waits less.
Now to the second issue.. Sensation by default has less ram (yes 768 MB is not enough for ics/JB roms). Now when you fill your device with apps due to true multitasking nature of the Android lots of apps keep on running in the background (even restarting by themselves when killed). And Chrome is one Ram eating b***h it at least needs 50MB of memory (where other browsers like dolphin browser can run smooth over 20MB ram) so it's always slow for me takes ages to open up properly. So my suggestion is switch to different browser or install an app called "greenify" (rooted app.. You need to give root permissions) . The advantage of using this greenify app is it can hibernate persistent apps.. Thus giving you enough ram and battery. Greenify is one acclaimed rooted app which does what it says. Try it and see how the device is doing after this
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FWIW, I decided to take the plunge and upgrade to the latest ARHD. At first glance, it seems to have dealt with these two performance items. However, I'm still installing/configuring some of the assorted junk I had before. I'm on the lookout for the one thing that clobbers me and will report here if I find such a thing. (I'm also working through a couple of FCs of system stuff, but that's not for this thread.)