Canalys Q2 2010 smartphone market share figures are out: http://www.canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010081.html
According to them, Android is now the number one smartphone platform in the US, with 34% market share vs. RIM's 32% and Apple's 21.7%.
Worldwide, Android sales grew 886% from last year.
Worldwide Android sales numbers were not disclosed, but the 886% growth suggests 9.7 million Android devices sold (up from 1.1 million in Q2 2009), vs. Apple's 8.7 million iPhones, which would put Android in third place behind Nokia with 38% worldwide market share and RIM with 18%.
According to Google, 160,000 Android devices are now activated each day, which add up to over 15 million devices per quarter. Thus, we could see worldwide Android market share surpassing RIM's within a few months and even approaching Nokia.
HTC is also a big winner with 14% of the US smartphone market, only behind RIM (32.1%) and Apple (21.7%).
I understand that Windows Mobile is declining, but I wonder why it wasn't even mentioned. Also, why was HTC listed when they are just a hardware manufacturer?
Because the top three hardware manufacturers have been mentioned and HTC is number three:
RIM 32.1%
Apple 21.7%
HTC 14%
Windows Mobile has fallen too far behind.
windows mobile is not a hardware manufacturer
Are these figures only indicative of 2010 Q2? I'm curious what would the figures be if they included all old devices still in use. Would Android still be #1?
No, not yet. But sales numbers are more important, the give you an idea how many people will use it in the future.
FWIW, here's an article that lists statistics for marketshare of all existing devices.
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/android-wins-battle-iphone-still-winning-war/2010-08-05
The future is looking good for Android. It's interesting what a rapid decline there has been for WinMo. I feel like Windows Phone 7 will be too little, too late to save WinMo, especially with the lack of backwards compatibility. BlackBerry is still #1. It's the one smartphone platform I've never tried, though the hardware and screenshots have never looked impressive enough for me to even consider it.
Blackberry is only good if your company uses the blackberry servers for email, other than that, the only nice thing I can say about them is that they have nice keyboards. Horrid web browser, though.
In that case, I'd never bother with Blackberry because web browsing is what I use my phone for most.
FWIW, here's an article that lists statistics for marketshare of all existing devices.
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/android-wins-battle-iphone-still-winning-war/2010-08-05
The future is looking good for Android. It's interesting what a rapid decline there has been for WinMo. I feel like Windows Phone 7 will be too little, too late to save WinMo, especially with the lack of backwards compatibility.
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couldn't have said it better.
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wish people would stop refering to windows 7 phone as "winmo". The only simularities are that its made by Microsoft. Pretty much totaly diferent. WinMo sadly is dead. Win 7, totaly new and nothing like Winmo.
edit: btw, iPhone sales dropped coz of people waiting for iPhone 4 I would imagine
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wish people would stop refering to windows 7 phone as "winmo". The only simularities are that its made by Microsoft. Pretty much totaly diferent. WinMo sadly is dead. Win 7, totaly new and nothing like Winmo.
edit: btw, iPhone sales dropped coz of people waiting for iPhone 4 I would imagine
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To correct your post yes WM is dead,,, just like XP. And in your edit I believe you mean phone sales dropped coz of people waiting for the iphone 4 to be fixed.
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one sales dropped coz of people waiting for iPhone 4 I would imagine
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thats true , i dunno why ppl tend to not use their brain ...
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To correct your post yes WM is dead,,, just like XP. And in your edit I believe you mean phone sales dropped coz of people waiting for the iphone 4 to be fixed.
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no, i mean why would people buy a 3gs when a mystery new super phone was due to be released by Apple (the 4). I think the survey is based on statistics pre-iPhone 4 launch.
I actually doubt the Antenagate saga has had any real affect on iPhone 4 sales. I know of at least two people who bought it even though they knew about the reception issues.
No, Monty, the first week of iPhone 4 sales is included and as we know, half of the iPhone 4's first months sales happened in the first week.
Apple announced that they sold 3 million iPhones in the 21 days after the iPhone 4 launch.
That's 143,000 a day. And that includes the launch days, where ten times more iPhones are sold than on normal days.
There are 200,000 Android phones sold each day and that number is increasing fast.
Fair enough, then its probably as good a representation as we will ever get.
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There are 200,000 Android phones sold each day and that number is increasing fast.
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I doubt that figure! At that rate there won't be much of the planet in 5 years that won't have an Android phone!!! Seriously, there is no way that rate of sale can or will be sustained, can there???
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Fair enough, then its probably as good a representation as we will ever get.
I doubt that figure! At that rate there won't be much of the planet in 5 years that won't have an Android phone!!! Seriously, there is no way that rate of sale can or will be sustained, can there???
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Monty Burns said:
Fair enough, then its probably as good a representation as we will ever get.
I doubt that figure! At that rate there won't be much of the planet in 5 years that won't have an Android phone!!! Seriously, there is no way that rate of sale can or will be sustained, can there???
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Easily. world population is in the billions. Thats just selling 28,000 units a day per continent. Thats 146,000,000 phones in 2 years. Way less then the population of adult americans. Then figure most people buy a new phone every 2 years. I'd say that number has a big chance of growing higher.
Your making some assumptions (and getting some stuff wrong).
There are between 5 and 7 Continents of the world.
http://www.countriesandcities.com/continents/
Second, your assuming everyone in the world can afford/choose to afford a new phone. Can you guess two countries where the majority of populations may not care about a new mobile? Not dificult, just work out two of the most populated countries on the planet (most of the cheap sh*t is made in them) -
Clues:
Chi... population of Chi...
Indi...Population of Indi..
So, out of around 7 billion, your down a significant portion. Now we also need to include Africa. And then not everyone in the UK will want a smartphone (and I imagine the same for every other "first world" country)
Remember, I also said "Choose". Many of my work collegues are still walking around with real simple mobiles because, and lets be real honest here, battery life on smartphones stinks. They will easily get a full week (including talking) on one charge. No smartphone will do that.
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sorry, clarification, ofc I mean population being poor not the goverments of the countries. I don't think anyone in any sane state would accuse China's goverment of being poor!
I also doubt that 50% of Americans will have Android phones in 2 years (Population of USA (estimated) to be 310mi)
Hopefully I can tinker with a newer android device, and have it work better. Like so many things the iFAIL (any of apples products really) is one of those trendy things that even a monkey could use.
But like the RIM software I dispised the first gen android os. Altho, I would take a crackberry any day over an iFAIL. WM powered devices I have had the most success with. I can definitely see why android is such a huge hit, especialyl since a lot of providers are offering lower priced Android devices vs the apple i FAIL, which is CANNOT be covered by insurance for physical damage or loss.
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Yet you come here claiming that the Iphone 4 or yet to be release Iphone 5 is "the number one phone", by who's standard? Sales? Yes, Apple has an outstanding marketing department.
I agree the Iphone "can" be a great phone, once it is jailbroken... But the proprietary of the device will turn others away in these forum. You know your in an Android forum right? Get prepared to be flamed.
I am glad the Iphone is doing well, and I am glad the Iphone is no longer exclusive only to AT$T. Which in turn for us is a great thing. You will see in the upcoming months what Android smartphone has to offer. You'll end up having buyers remorse.
Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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I think ya pretty much nailed it X..
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
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lmao! XD
anyways, i personally think the quality of apps in apple are way better than in android....but ther's way more customisation in android.....i am a rom-ohlic myself....flash new roms like everyday....android community is way better
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
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Besides trolling, what are you talking about?
Enjoy being locked into the Apple way and the constant cycle of not updating as you wait for jailbreaks.
And Apple never brought the price of Smartphones down... $199 on contract was the standard price for WinMo phones long before Apple. And they had expandable memory and removable batteries.
I would or could not ever go back to an iphone after owning a quality android phone. There really is no comparison in user experience
Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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Lets wait and see how they "change everything" without making a meaningful change of anything
Dell2 said:
Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
leetpriest said:
I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I feel ya on the last line. I think it spends too much time reporting back to steve jobs I have a droidx than an iphone. Sheep just plain sheep.
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Prices of phones outright from Rogers
Iphone 4 16gb- $649
Captivate- $549
X10- $549
Prices of phones on 3 yr contract from Rogers
Iphone4 16gb- $159
Captivate- $99.99
X10- $49.99
How exactly is android powered phones more expensive than the iphone?
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the iOS isn't even the world's leading smartphone platform...I don't think it's ever beaten symbian. android, however, has passed symbian and is now the leading platform.
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You also have to take into account that the iphone is the only phone with ios where as android had dozens of phones. allowing people to pick what works best
Customization > conformity
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leetpriest said:
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
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Unless you own a Cliq XT...
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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FLAC Vest said:
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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If you a bored with android you will commit suicide with ios
Sales numbers don't make something better lol microsoft os's are not better than apple os's but out sell them and are the most sold os out there. Not to mention iphone gained popularity way before google released android and just has a huge fan base, plus popularity of the ipod helped out a lot to.
Don't get wrong I'm not bashing the iphone it definitely has a place in the market for people , old people who can't figure stuff out , middle age people who can't figure stuff out , teens cause they have to have what there friends have and noobs in general lol
Open source never gains the popularity that the big company's gain ( Linux for example ) but all power users will tell you the same thing and if you don't know what that is then you definitely belong with your iphone
And for those who get bored with Android, what the hell are you gonna do on an iphone , jail break it lol , get real lol
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If you a bored with android you will commit suicide with ios
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Amen to that!!!!!
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I'm sorry but.......
"Shipments of Android-based phones reached 32.9 million in the fourth quarter, while Nokia sold 31 million Symbian phones worldwide. Apple was third, shipping 16.2 million iPhones, while Research In Motion (RIM) sold 14.2 million BlackBerrys. Nokia held on to its lead in global market share with 28 percent
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/01/android-becomes-top-selling-smartphone-platform-worldwide/#ixzz1DJqwKjuR"
MS says Google's Motorola division violates its patents. Looks like MS is angry they didn't get to corner Google in that Nortel deal and is doing an Apple.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...la-s-android-phones-infringe-its-patents.html
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MS says Google's Motorola division
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That sale went through quick.
I'm sick of lawsuits...
We seriously need some patent reform...
"Microsoft, with less than 2 percent of the market, is counting on an agreement with Espoo, Finland-based Nokia Oyj (NOK) to put Windows Mobile on its phones to increase market share."
Goodbye SymbianOS?
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We seriously need some patent reform...
"Microsoft, with less than 2 percent of the market, is counting on an agreement with Espoo, Finland-based Nokia Oyj (NOK) to put Windows Mobile on its phones to increase market share."
Goodbye SymbianOS?
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old news, go Microsoft. Its about time we have a good OS to sale phones rather than "oh the HTC herpderp has a dual core processor and so much ram." doesn't matter if the OS isn't optimized.
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old news, go Microsoft. Its about time we have a good OS to sale phones rather than "oh the HTC herpderp has a dual core processor and so much ram." doesn't matter if the OS isn't optimized.
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Cool story bro.
Smart move by MS with the tiles and such, must've saved a lot of money to hire some first graders to design the home screen!
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Cool story bro.
Smart move by MS with the tiles and such, must've saved a lot of money to hire some first graders to design the home screen!
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Pwnage of epic proportions!
Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.
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Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.
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Lol your fanboism is actually comical. Carry on, I like to laugh.
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Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and turn it into something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.
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Fixed it for accuracy
The stupid thing is, MS could have been market leader 5 years ago if they only took their mobile operations seriously. They never have and I doubt they ever will. They just needed a decent interface, a deal with a book wholesaler to supply their reader, a deal with a music reseller and an app store so they could have bought handango. To bad instead they chose to take a giant leap backwards.
In all fairness, when Microsoft actually recovers from that 2‰, Android will already be in a new generation. Motorola is but a fraction of the massive companies that are backing Android and they all are contributing constantly to better innovations for the OS.
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I think MS have to stock up there device pallet , the devices are cheap ( thats why i bought them ) but today a mobile phone became a status sign( Iphone ), so MS have too make there devices ,,cool,, , means they have too send some phons for free to ABC VIPS ( Iphone ) and the the problem is solved . But i hope the price will stay cheap as in the moment ^^ but with a market who google has to defend android phones get maybe cheaper too , cool for android and wp users ^^. Before the Iphone everybody look where i get the most features for the best price but today sm changed and i dont know what ^^ some answers plz
Software patents are the biggest load of **** I've seen in a long time. If you learn how to write, for example, a search algorithm in college and then use it in a commercial app, too bad if the guy sitting next to you in class has been granted the patent for it. Doubly bad if you invented it and weren't smart enough to get to the patent office before them.
Seriously Apple own patents for such inane **** as "method for interacting with a portable device via touchscreen" and "power management of portable devices". So watch out if you produce a touchscreen phone with power management. If you put any code in there which acts similar to Apples they will sue you sooner or later.
It's about as stupid as allowing Ford to take out a patent on having four wheels on a car.
I'm also pretty sure the Judges who hear these cases know so much about programming they can make informed judgements of these cases ... not. It's all about which legal team can spin the must bull**** to befuddle the courts.
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Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's boring, bleak, and has no apps.
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I don't follow you... I like customizing my electronics and personalizing them. But if the whole one size fits all thing works for you, then great! (You're in the minority on that one)
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I don't follow you... I like customizing my electronics and personalizing them. But if the whole one size fits all thing works for you, then great! (You're in the minority on that one)
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28 percent of iPhone users have still not added even a wallpaper to their phones, over 90 percent of android users are still running the stock rom and im sure if the study was done you'd find that a large portion of them haven't done much more than add some icons to the homescreen and perhaps toss up a wallpaper. People as a whole by android because they're the free phones you get at most carriers. Your choices are either a feature phone, blackberry, or one of the 30 android devices they have up (or perhaps the one or 2 wp7 devices that they have there but most in-store carriers are still running those at 99 with a 2 year contract.) iPhones are a status symbol. I'll never understand how a phone who's only redeeming quality is pixel density and a junk filled app market (how many tap the trigger to fire a gun games do you need?) got that way but hey, apple is good at marketing. Microsoft wanted to build an OS that sells phones, not the other way around. They hit the nail on the head, unfortunately my toothbrush is more intelligent than the average consumer so well continue to see blind, stupid purchases until Microsoft either gets a marketing team that's not largely run by chimps or they saturate the hell out of the market like android has.
I'll agree about the average consumer in the USA being an idiot. It's clear that not many actually research a product before buying (especially like a phone that will be used every single day for around two years). Beats and Apple are perfect examples. But I just don't see MS ever catching up. Look at all the brands that make Android phones and how many varieties are out there. You're right, so that is why Android sells more because of vast selection. The selection on Android phones will continue to grow. The iPhone's popularity will inevitably grow. I just don't see any room for MS in the mobile market... Especially with the lack of marketing put forth as oppose to Apple and Android. Hell, maybe someone will see a commercial with the WP7 tiles and say "Hey, that looks cool, I want to check it out". But that won't happen, because they never see those commercials. I agree with what someone said before, MS just doesn't seem to put enough effort forth, just like before with Windows Mobile.
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Microsoft wanted to build an OS that sells phones, not the other way around.
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Wish they had.
There were some adverts for WP7 over here but they didn't last long, they may have been pulled by the ASA due to the false claims they made or due to lack of interest.
MS have even resorted to using the US version of their "We turned your front room into a W7 shop" rather than the short lived UK version.
The I'm a PC campaign (not the "and Windows 7 was my idea" ones) was really good, it didn't derride other computer systems like the awful mac/pc ones, so their marketting team can get things right, they just need a decent product to work with though and WP7 just isn't inspiring. Of all the smartphone users I know only 2 have WP7 devices. Over here handsets are often free, even the iphone so price doesn't really come into it.
z33dev33l said:
Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
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They haven't though, have they?
Motorola already had patents saved away for whatever reasons, probably saw this coming and it was an entrepeneurial decision to hold company value later. Al Google did was take info from a dying company and carry it on. Let's face it, If Google let Apple get hold of such info it would privatised and charged for, for many years.
Android is the only way forwards, Nokia were the biggest phone manufacturer say 10 years ago and now they're a distant memory. Apple were only successful because of compatibility within their network of products... people pay for convenience. Once other manufacturers adopt this policy then Apple has no advantage. I know Apple have a patent for technology where hovering your finger above the screen is sensed by the device and selects whatever 'tile' your finger is above. There's no call for it right now but in a few years? If Apple go bust in that time (I know, VERY unlikely) then it's this type of stuff they sell to stay afloat. What if MS bought such info? MS fanboi's wouldn't grumble
Microsoft will be an irrelevant company over the course of the next 10 years.
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They haven't though, have they?
Motorola already had patents saved away for whatever reasons, probably saw this coming and it was an entrepeneurial decision to hold company value later. Al Google did was take info from a dying company and carry it on. Let's face it, If Google let Apple get hold of such info it would privatised and charged for, for many years.
Android is the only way forwards, Nokia were the biggest phone manufacturer say 10 years ago and now they're a distant memory. Apple were only successful because of compatibility within their network of products... people pay for convenience. Once other manufacturers adopt this policy then Apple has no advantage. I know Apple have a patent for technology where hovering your finger above the screen is sensed by the device and selects whatever 'tile' your finger is above. There's no call for it right now but in a few years? If Apple go bust in that time (I know, VERY unlikely) then it's this type of stuff they sell to stay afloat. What if MS bought such info? MS fanboi's wouldn't grumble
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I'm sorry, you just defended android with the argument that people "pay for convenience." that alone is comical.
And that's exactly what google did...
I doubt... If so, when? This year is ending, and nothing, no nokia...
And bada ist crap
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Trolling, stupid, or both.
For some reason people associate sales figures with quality, I never understood that...
Look at cinema as an example, or music, to demonstrate how demonstrably fallacious that is.
Just to point out the Lumia 800 is sold out pretty much everywhere in the UK and most stores are on their 3rd or 4th delivery.
Said it before and will say it again, the Lumia 800 is Windows Phone's Nexus One. I'd be very surprised if we don't see a jump in WP market share by the end of the year.
Not so fast
http://www.mobileburn.com/chtml/mob...ia-800-sales-lower-than-expected-say-analysts
That's with free Xbox give aways
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Not so fast
http://www.mobileburn.com/chtml/mob...ia-800-sales-lower-than-expected-say-analysts
That's with free Xbox give aways
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what's your point?
Android does two for one deals and free phones, gift cards, etc..
^ all phones have those sells.
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^ all phones have those sells.
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exactly..
Lol
So you saying the lumia is only selling out because of the free Xbox is fallacious
I never said it was a bad thing. Dont be so hostile over your beloved product.
Did you even read the link?
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I never said it was a bad thing. Dont be so hostile over your beloved product.
Did you even read the link?
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I only had this a week haha
I had android for two years..
I like them both equally honestly, for different reasons
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I only had this a week haha
I had android for two years..
I like them both equally honestly, for different reasons
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Nokia's great smartphone hope, the Windows Phone 7.5-equipped Lumia 800, was released earlier this month to rave critical reviews and much fanfare. However, a new analyst report says that all of the hubbub surrounding the Lumia 800 hasn't resulted in mind-blowing sales numbers, and that Nokia has only sold a relative handful of Lumia 800 smartphones.
According to the Pacific Crest Securities analyst firm, Nokia may have shipped less than 1 million Windows Phone smartphones for the quarter, with only 500,000 sold to end-users. This is a bit of a surprise, as Nokia itself has said in the past that the Lumia 800 has been very popular and well received with consumers. Nokia also has the backing of most major carriers in the markets that the Lumia 800 has launched, so its supposed poor sales performance is disappointing in light of that as well.
The report of lower-than-expected Lumia sales has caused Nokia's stock to tumble by about six percent. The Lumia 800 retails for about 420 EUR (US$567) in the markets where it is available. It has not been announced for the U.S. market yet, but Nokia says that it will bring a portfolio of smartphones to the U.S. in early 2012. [via Bloomberg]
Actually, sales numbers are a fairly good indicator of some quality of success, assuming there isn't a government contract or other bogus (event giveaways counted as sales; shipped devices to retailers counted as sales, etc) things are mixed in. For example, when Google claims 500,000 activations per day, that's proof of a success. When Apple claims 4 MILLION activations in a weekend, that my friend, is success.
Microsoft has still not released -any- sales numbers from their wp7 division. This is an indicator of a failure at some point in the chain.
One of the comments is bang on, 500000 in less than a week.
I'd like to see androids initial numbers as well for the first year.
Rome wasn't built in a day
Don't look at it as just negative, 500,000 for any WP7 is good. That's probably more than all the other OEMs combined.
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Don't look at it as just negative, 500,000 for any WP7 is good. That's probably more than all the other OEMs combined.
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So make it one less and return yours, Troll.
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I never said it was a bad thing. Dont be so hostile over your beloved product.
Did you even read the link?
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Sequence of events:
Lumia sold out. This is the Godfather of Windows Phones (Nexus reference).
Vetvito: Not so fast. Links an article that says Nokia sales of Lumia 800 lower than expected and cause stock to drop. Threw in a comment about giving away consoles.
No, you never outright said it was a bad thing, but we can read into what you wrote. Don't be so friendly with your hate-filled news.
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Lumia sold out. This is the Godfather of Windows Phones (Nexus reference).
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I don't understand why people speak so highly of Nokia Lumia. Nokia Lumia is never the Godfather of Windows Phone, what about HD7, Omnia 7 and Optimus 7?
I don't think Nokia Lumia 710 and 800 is that great and should be made reference to the Nexus, at least not yet. Lumia 800 is more like the HTC Dream for Android.
In other words, the Lumia 800 just can't set itself apart from other WP7 phones yet. (For the record, I owned the HTC Radar now. Personally I don't like Nokia Lumia's design)
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Sequence of events:
Lumia sold out. This is the Godfather of Windows Phones (Nexus reference).
Vetvito: Not so fast. Links an article that says Nokia sales of Lumia 800 lower than expected and cause stock to drop. Threw in a comment about giving away consoles.
No, you never outright said it was a bad thing, but we can read into what you wrote. Don't be so friendly with your hate-filled news.
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ok let me understand how this world works. If I'm not kissing up to this platform, I'm spreading hate?
I just want to be clear, posting facts like the N8 sold more than the Lumia, is hate.
Posting news like
http://m.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/23/nokia-lumia-800-iphone-4s?cat=technology&type=article
is that hate?
It's interesting that the analyst released his predictions on the same day that Nokia increased it's orders from Compal for Lumia handsets due to "higher than expected sales".
It's also interesting that these analysts are comparing the Lumia 800 (which AFAIK has only been launched in 6 territories?) to the iPhone 4S (22 territories at launch, a further 15 followed on November 14th).
I'm not trying to suggest that the Lumia has attained 4S level sales where it's been on sale, just trying to bring in a bit of perspective to the sales figures that have been talked about. Even if these predictions are right, they are pretty good sales figures. IIRC people were talking about 1-1.5 million WP7 sales worldwide in Q4 last year? If Nokia are able to sell between 1/3rd and 2/3rds of that figure with a single handset, and in less than half of WP7 territories then they've done pretty well.
Regardless, they can't expect a year old platform to skyrocket market share wise..
None of them has, android or iPhone included..
They were still in the 5 percent range.
If by the end of next year it gets to around 10%, it is doing quite well.
It is a young os, the issue is people are comparing it to 5 year old operating systems in terms of success.
Be realistic now
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Sequence of events:
Lumia sold out. This is the Godfather of Windows Phones (Nexus reference).
Vetvito: Not so fast. Links an article that says Nokia sales of Lumia 800 lower than expected and cause stock to drop. Threw in a comment about giving away consoles.
No, you never outright said it was a bad thing, but we can read into what you wrote. Don't be so friendly with your hate-filled news.
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I assumed Vetvito would get bored at some point and move on but nope. Almost every pro-wp7 post he pops up in with this stuff. I don't understand it but what the hell. Whatever floats his boat i guess.
Didn't see this posted in the forum, but I thought it was an interesting read (not saying I believe it all though)
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Google's got an Android problem
[/i]By David Goldman @CNNMoneyTech June 26, 2012: 11:46 AM ET[/i]
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than half of the world's smartphones run Android. That sounds like a pretty comfy perch for Google, but it's a precarious one -- and the historical tides that made Android such a stunning success are starting to swing in the opposite direction.
On Wednesday, Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) is slated to unveil the latest version of Android at its developers conference. Expect some victory laps. The four-year-old mobile operating system is the center of a thriving ecosystem, and Google has seamlessly integrated most of its key products into Android, including search, Gmail, Chrome, Maps, Voice.
That gives Google a prime position in the fast-growing mobile realm.
But Android's success is partially accidental. The software only took off when Verizon Wireless released the Motorola Droid in late 2009.
Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) needed a weapon to counter AT&T's then-exclusive deal with Apple. It threw all its weight behind the Droid, which was the first true iPhone competitor on the nation's most popular phone network.
Kickstarted by Verizon, Android went on to become a strong iPhone alternative for virtually all other hardware makers and wireless carriers. Google's mobile OS held a 59% share of the smartphone market as of last quarter, IDC analysts said.
Android's climb is about to end, IDC thinks.
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Android is climbing to an end, IDC thinks
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Why?
Android is thriving CNN!!!
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What I thought as well. From many articles I have read, the expectation is that there will be a slight dip in market share when iPhone5 is released then things will return to normal with Android maintaining its hold on the smartphone market.
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What I thought as well. From many articles I have read, the expectation is that there will be a slight dip in market share when iPhone5 is released then things will return to normal with Android maintaining its hold on the smartphone market.
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Ha. Google is hiding stuff. Maybe a newer nexus with PB & J Android 5.0
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IDC is naive in thinking that Android's climb is over. U.S. smartphone share just past 50% and elsewhere in the world there is even more room for growth. To count Android out of taking a cut in this is just stupid.
Android's success is no accident. One phone did not make Android a success. Google's business model did. It offered a free platform for device manufacturer to use. Even now, all other platforms either require a licensing fee or is not available for licensing. This is why Android is thriving.
As long as iPhones keep their hefty price tag, Android will always be around. I think many people are not willing to spend that much on a phone.
That being said, it's true that when the next iPhone comes out, Android may take a hit. The high end Android phones may lose a bit of their market share to iPhone 5, but that's about it. We've seen the same effect with iPhone 4 and 4S. So it's just gonna happen once again. Can't complain, competition is good!
rumours
I've seen more than one prediction that Androids climb will be slowed moving forward. Frankly I can see why.
Most articles like this also mention the rise of WP, which will be the wild card. WP8 has a lot of potential, combined with Nokia I can see great things moving forward. Honestly who doesn't want a Purview WP8 phone?
We'll see what happens but I see Android and WP duking it out for top stop in a few years. Couple that with W8Pro tablets.....
PS. Iphones will always be around, even though I'm sure their share will diminish greatly unless they pull one hell of an actual innovative rabbit out of their hats...
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As long as iPhones keep their hefty price tag, Android will always be around. I think many people are not willing to spend that much on a phone.
That being said, it's true that when the next iPhone comes out, Android may take a hit. The high end Android phones may lose a bit of their market share to iPhone 5, but that's about it. We've seen the same effect with iPhone 4 and 4S. So it's just gonna happen once again. Can't complain, competition is good!
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Not only a phone, but an inferior one. Or overpriced.
Hopefully Android will be gone within 2 years.
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Take it from the standpoint of a writer, that article was written for views.
When people want their blogging read by others, they post unpopular, unwarranted and even untrue opinions, facts, rumors, etc to attract the eyes of a reader.
Tell half a billion people you think the mobile OS they're running is going to fail...like that's not gonna get readers you guys got trolled
So did I, I came in here and read it too lol.
Here's some interesting comments from an analyst's report issued by Deutsche Bank that was just published. Clearly Samsung and Apple are the top two smartphone manufacturers and nothing's going to change that in the foreseeable future. The analyst talks about HTC's position in the 3-5 (next tier down) category. He lowered his target price a bit but retained a "hold" rating on their stock which means the sky isn’t falling as some would suggest.
HTC to remain competitive: Deutsche Bank
By Jeffrey Wu - 2012/07/24
Taipei, July 24 (CNA) Taiwanese smartphone maker HTC Corp. will maintain its competitiveness with product innovations despite intensified competition in the global mobile market, Deutsche Bank AG said Monday in a research note.
The German bank estimated that HTC shipped 9 million units in the second quarter, a decrease of 24 percent from the same period a year ago.
The decline in shipments would be less steep, however, than the 39 percent fall expected for Finnish phone maker Nokia Oyj and the 26 percent drop forecast for BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the bank said.
Nokia shipped an estimated 10.2 million smartphones in the second quarter while Research In Motion shipped 7.8 million units, according to the bank.
"We think these developments indicate the intensified competition among the No. 3-5 vendors in the smartphone space," Deutsche Bank analyst William Yang wrote in the note.
"On the other hand, we see HTC's leading competitiveness in the No. 3-5 group," he said.
Yang mentioned that Microsoft Corp. has announced that HTC will be one of its key partners in launching Windows 8 smartphones in the second half of 2012, a move in contrast to the company's strategy for the Windows 7 version, which primarily supported Nokia.
"We think it indicates that HTC's competitiveness and relationship with OS (operating system) providers remain solid," he added.
Other upside factors for HTC, Yang said, include better-than-expected market share expansion in Europe and Asia driven by HTC's continued product innovations and a faster-than-expected 4G (fourth-generation) smartphone adoption rate in the U.S.
Despite these potentially positive factors, however, Deutsche Bank trimmed its target price for HTC to NT$365 (US$12) from NT$400 and kept a stock rating of "hold" because of intensified competition from arch rivals Samsung Electronics Co. and Apple Inc.
As of 10:11 a.m. Tuesday, HTC shares had fallen 2.26 percent to NT$280.50 in Taipei trading.
Deutsche Bank forecast that HTC's revenue will reach NT$98.7 billion in the third quarter of this year, up 8 percent from the second quarter, and that the company's operating margin will improve to 10.6 percent in the third quarter from 9 percent.
The bank also expected HTC's shipments to decline from 45 million units in 2011 to 39 million units in 2012, with its average selling price forecast to shrink from NT$355 to NT$325 during the year.
confused is this positive or negative jk
where does Asus fall
Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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have to agree with that one..my mum has a nokia lumia 710 and it is buttery smooth compare to my one x
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Very keen to try W8 and maybe make the switch.
Played with a Nokia 800 lumina and its very smooth. Actually smoother than the one x.
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try JB and then talk to us about smooth
I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
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try JB and then talk to us about smooth
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Hamdir you crack me up
I think HTC should be #1 but I'm just a fanboy :angel:
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I have to admit I like the animations of Windows Phone 7 more, it not necessarily is more smooth but the animations themselves FEEL smooth, and are quite unique. Thing I don't like about Windows Phone is that multitasking is "fake" like iOS.
I must say that the One series is most likely going to be the comeback of HTC as a whole, consumers I think will prefer the looks of HTC phones over Samsung's plastic-y looks, even if specifications are worse.
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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Tbh the iphone still doesn't really have much of a BT transfer.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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they may well of shipped 9 million units, but what isn't mentioned is they probably received 5 million back with faults.
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that is pure and utter BS
Enough with the FUD!
oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
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Consumers will prefer the most marketed phone. Period. It is sad to see that no one learned from Apple about that (except maybe Samsung). People will buy anything that makes them think they are "cool" no matter how s#itty it really is. Remember the first iPhone? It even didn't have BT transfer (not to mention 3g, GPS, etc) which even the "dumb" phones had and it was selling like water in the desert. Why? Because Apple knows how to market to the masses.
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IMHO Apple designs their products to "sell themselves" - if you watch any of their TV adverts or look at their banners, they pretty much just feature a picture of the device. The reason is that they design the product to look good and look attractive above all else. Remember that most consumers don't really care about what kind of specs a device has and wouldn't even dream of modding it.
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I'm not the only one on my 3rd one x. some are on their tenth.
or maybe that doesn't impact on profit at all. if it doesnt, then yes hamdir, bs. But, it does.
I'm not interested in, or predicting their demise, I'm only making an observation that seems to be overlooked when reasoning why profits are down.
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i am on my third and in fact opened over 10 defected ones, but my third a winner
but the point is it was just a rotten batch mate
HTC is known for their build quality and that doesn't change with one hiccup, i bought dozen a of devices from them, all build like freaking rock-ship
my wife drops her sensation XL daily where the back cover flies and still scratch free, dont make me start on how many times my DHD flew in the air than hit the asphalt and the sensation was also premium
the One V and S are sexy, really u claim 5 million defected devices just because we had some bad luck with early bad batch?
as for the One X there is no phone in the market right now better looking and better built, im sorry don't let the HT/SH 24 batch blind your eyes
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This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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And I'm sure you're using this forum to draw that conclusion. I'd say there are probably 5-7K One X owners participating in this forum. That's .0007 percent of the 9M phones HTC's sold. That gives new meaning to statistically irrelevant. If the return rate was as bad as you're suggesting it would show up in their financials as expenses going through the roof. There expenses were up 1% which on billions of dollars of sales isn't in any way meaningful. And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
Still a downgrade from "buy" to hold doesn't look good, usually it means it's preparation for a "sell" advice
edit: whoa, HTC actually seem way undervalued: http://www.google.com/finance?q=TPE:2498 or the market are have already calculated in a big drop in revenue
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This isn't true. There's always people categorized as "individualists" or "contrarians" that are repelled by conformity and wouldn't own an Apple product because of its banality. With the SGS3 selling in the quantities Samsung's projecting the same thing will start to occur. Ironically, Apple got its start appealing to that very audience with their "think different" and "1984" campaigns. I personally will never own an Apple product because I'm a devout contrarian.
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Well, good for you. But companies don't care about individuals, they care about profit. So you either make exclusive product and sell it at 1000% of what it really costs (and I mean the whole research, developement, testing, marketing, production and logistics process, not the pointless calculations based on the price of the hardware some sites are so found of) or you make a product for the masses and make a profit from the volumes you sell. And if being the latter, you can't count on the "individualists" to carry you to the top. Samsung got where they are now by marketing the **** out of a inferior display technology in the SGS and creating one good followup product (SGS 2). Unfortinatelly, HTC fails to do so. They seem to lack the resources to make a marketing campaign which will create a hype about any of their products and they miserably fail with their followup products (desire s, anyone?) which leaves them wondering on their flagships. First it was the Desire, then the Sensation, now it's the One and you can't create a brand if you change the name every year or so.
Don't get me wrong, I too won't buy Apple or Samsung device (being an Android developer iOS is out of question and I hate the messed up colors on AMOLEDs, which Samsung puts on every one of their flagships) and want HTC to continue to make superb products like the HOX but in today's economy they need to find a proper way to do so and they need to find it fast.
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And by the looks of the SGS3 forum Samsung's getting as many i9300's back with AMOLED display issues as HTC is for One X QC defects.
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what kind of amoled issues?
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oh god pls dont bring in windows
if it happens i'll buy samsung
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There's always the possibility one day in the future Samsung will roll out Tizen and what may happen to Android on their own phones. At the moment Android is its biggest seller.
I think W8 phones will help HTC but then again if W8 proves to be a smashing hit they will face stiff competition from Nokia and the likes. Imagine a pure view handset incorporating W8 will be quite a hit.
Would have been nice to have a Nokia android device but hey will never ever happen!
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