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Hi i recenlty Sold my Iphone 3G to try a WM phone , and got the Touch HD ( since i'm a big fan of big screen s )
but after trying different Roms , i realized that the device is rather Slow ...
wanted to know if the TouchPro2 Performed faster and if anyone suggests that i should change to the Pro2 ? ( but i read in the spec of both of the Phone that their CPU and RAM are the same )
Thx in advance
yeah they are spec'd the same i believe. I found that after I ran the right ROM on my HD it felt like a completely different phone. If anything hold out for the Leo...its packing snapdragon(1GHz) and a bunch of HTC goodness.
So both TouchPro2 and Touch HD perform @ the same speed ?
528MHz
they both are running at about the same speed just optimized differently...you can find a bunch of Topaz and Rhodium styled ROM's out there
TP is a great device!
if you can change to the tp2 without it costing much i would do that because of the keyboard (I have touch hd), you will go down a bit on screen size whichw ill be a shame and I dont think tp2 has a 3.5 mm jack out which is just stupid but anyway yeah I would try the tp2 for the keyboard.
for speed I would first try out the topaz rom I havent found another rom that seems so speedy 100s of times better than stock. Having a speedy rom really makes you appreciate your phone a lot more.
u mean i can flash any topaz rom to the Blackstone and i'll have a more speedy phone ?
sorry i didnt mean topaz i ment topix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640
its wm6.1 but its just great
IMHO, i dont think the tp 2 will perform any better than the HD. Of course the keyboard maybe useful, but the HD is thinner and sexier
If you can hold out for the Leo (i want one now!!!) but who knows when it will be released........
As for HD roms, obviously the newer roms (6.5 either 2.1 or 2.5) are beta, due to not being released by MS yet, hence some may have issues/bugs. But dont dispear, they are getting quicker and more stable. Try any newer ones from Dutty, NRGZ or Miri or if you want the very latest try the new build from PDAVIET.
They are all better than the current stock rom, I personally love the 2.5 has a couple of bugs, but we are getting there.
The TP2 is cool, but if U can wait then the Leo will be much cooler
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The TP2 is cool, but if U can wait then the Leo will be much cooler
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although the leo dosent have a kepboard which is why i wont be getting it, I love my touch hd but ive had enough with a purely touch screen phone. I'm waiting on an android phone that has good processor capacitive screen (large high res) and keyboard or i might just get the nokia n900
maybe they will release a leo pro with a keyboard then I might consider it.
good luck, from what ive seen Android isnt taking off like everyone though it would. None of the carriers seem to keen on supporting it. Tho i did see a topic on PPC where they are dual booting WM phones and running Android on them
The Leo does look pretty sweet, but i agree, it needs a keyboard. It will have a capacitive touchscreen, and 3.5mm jack tho (along with the snapdragon processor) Just add a keyboard and we have ourselves a dam near perfect device. So long as its configured/optimized properly.
It kinda makes me sad, that they announced this after i got my TP2, but its bound to happen. As soon as they release the Leo (whenever that will be) couple months after, a new, better device will be announced. Thats the tech world for ya.
As for the Touch Pro 2, yea ive noticed it does lag sometimes. Tho i haven't installed any custom roms either, which may likely help it (to date, i don't know of any roms specifically for it). Im also a bit worried about bricking this thing while trying.
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good luck, from what ive seen Android isnt taking off like everyone though it would. None of the carriers seem to keen on supporting it. Tho i did see a topic on PPC where they are dual booting WM phones and running Android on them
The Leo does look pretty sweet, but i agree, it needs a keyboard. It will have a capacitive touchscreen, and 3.5mm jack tho (along with the snapdragon processor) Just add a keyboard and we have ourselves a dam near perfect device. So long as its configured/optimized properly.
It kinda makes me sad, that they announced this after i got my TP2, but its bound to happen. As soon as they release the Leo (whenever that will be) couple months after, a new, better device will be announced. Thats the tech world for ya.
As for the Touch Pro 2, yea ive noticed it does lag sometimes. Tho i haven't installed any custom roms either, which may likely help it (to date, i don't know of any roms specifically for it). Im also a bit worried about bricking this thing while trying.
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it's way too early to say they haven't taken off. The problem so far is that a good android device hasn't been released yet. The experia x3 looks nice similar specs to leo but a much better camera, still no keyboard though .
I have a Touch Pro. It's great.
If I was buying now, i'd buy a TP2.
Capacitive screen = DO NOT WANT (give me a stylus or give me death!)
If you're not into trying custom roms I found that even some of the tweaks or Registry Hacks would speed up the phone a bit. Personally I didn't like the Touch Flow and turned it all off in favor of just the plain WinMo look (modded a bit of course). Additionally I turned off the HTC Dialer Skin and used the WinMo dialer that was running on avg about 8m less in memory and was just as functional (minus the reject call w/ txt functionality).
Out of the box my phone had program memory usage up in 38-43% range. Now it's typically 21-28% and running much faster in my opinion.
Thanks everyone for ur time and answer.
I figure this is the best place to ask for advice.
I fell in love with HTC/keyboard phones when I got an unlocked mda (i'm on att) a few years back. They keyboard and ruggedness of the phones (they've outlasted a few drops here and there) had won me over, especially after using an n95 briefly a few years ago. I got an 8525, and now I'm on a tilt (8925). I've always upgraded roms and liked trying new things, so I tried something new about a week ago.
I went the Android (ion) on sd card route, and loved it (but tried to go nand and it never worked correctly). My battery seems to last forever now (where a week ago, before I started using android, my battery was dying at around 6 pm), the speed of everything (the phone dialer seems to be running at light speed compared to winmo) and the touchscreen responds so much better. Even with the occasional freeze and crashes, I haven't gone back to winmo (except on the occasional restart and re-running haret)
It's time for a phone upgrade. I (briefly) had a tp2, but it still felt slow in winmo 6.5. And seeing how android isn't as well developed on it as it is on the kaiser, I'm looking at other options.
I'd like to keep att 3g, and have native android, AND a hardware keyboard. Does this exist? If i gave up a keyboard (though i don't really want to since I text a bit and surf the web a bit as well), are the newer touchscreens good/fast enough? I was looking at the Hero, and the ion/magic (which seem to be almost the same,though I like the price of the ion/magic), but maybe you guys can help me out? I have to go the Ebay route, seeing as how I'm stuck on att for another year (long story short, gave upgrade to family member, who has since screwed me on their end of the bargain) so I guess that's another thing to keep in mind. Help?
Depending on how much you want to spend will Ddepend on your options right now the only official android device for att with a keyboard is the backup nd I personally think it is horrible. You could spend the $529 and get an att Nexus One, which is only touch screen but is fast enough to handle input well. Plus with the many touchscreen keyboards out now it is pretty easy to transition to touchscreen. I just did this whole post using the swype keyboard and it is pretty fast and accurate. if you can hold off then there are gonna be many new handsets comming. Plus flashing new roms for android is highly addictive lol.
I just got the htc hd2 . the device is fantastic. the software blows donkey d....
In my opinion windows mobile 6.5 feels undeveloped . I know i probably havent figured it all out yet but its what i see so far.
So here I sit trying to make the best of this and hoping someone ports android over to the hd2.
thats my two cents.
If you want Android, then the Nexus is Awesome, Fast, Slim, Cool, etc. Try one out at a store to see if it fit's
i was almost ready to switch then i bought an lg expo. it is so sweet and mega fast.
Trust me, on a screen the size of 3.5+, you can type faster on a touchscreen than on a hardware keyboard
Telus Milestone is your best bet. And yes, you will have to buy it from ebay or some unofficial store.
I was a big winmo fan but they are dragging in the upgrade department.
6.5 was a minimal upgrade at best and 7 is limited on the multi-tasking front.
My son has a Motorola Droid and I really like the OS.
I'm headed for a Xperia X10 with a snapdragon processor but only after it comes to the US to support our 3G band.
That could be tomorrow or a year from now knowing SE's inability to get a device to market on time.
I'd really like to go with the nexus with it's seemingly ginormous screen (though everything has a ginormous screen compared to my tilt 1), but the $560 price tag (after taxes on the site) is quite a bit much to stomach.
I might look at the milestone, but I'm a little weary of motorola's quality, the diminutive size of the keyboard, and @ their price i'd rather stick to a touch screen only telus hero or magic.
Maybe I just need to win the lottery or knock over a bank...
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I'd really like to go with the nexus with it's seemingly ginormous screen (though everything has a ginormous screen compared to my tilt 1), but the $560 price tag (after taxes on the site) is quite a bit much to stomach.
I might look at the milestone, but I'm a little weary of motorola's quality, the diminutive size of the keyboard, and @ their price i'd rather stick to a touch screen only telus hero or magic.
Maybe I just need to win the lottery or knock over a bank...
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I'd definitely go with the Nexus (If funds can afford), you think that it is too much now, but it is worth it when you get it (or so I've been told by... everyone).
I would sell my soul for a Nexus One, but I already sold it to Google in exchange for an extra 70mb in Gmail, should've waited
Looks like I'm getting either a HTC Desire or a X10 as wm & ms are starting to annoy me. Android just looks and feels so much better
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Looks like I'm getting either a HTC Desire or a X10 as wm & ms are starting to annoy me. Android just looks and feels so much better
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I switched from longtime wm user to android and have not looked back. It is stable, fast, smooth, cool and fun Good luck
WM for me
I am quite happy with WM6.5.3 on my Rhodium, it does all my business and personal stuff just as I like
But if for some reason I did want to switch from WM definitely 100% sure I´ll look into Android as my first choice
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I am quite happy with WM6.5.3 on my Rhodium, it does all my business and personal stuff just as I like
But if for some reason I did want to switch from WM definitely 100% sure I´ll look into Android as my first choice
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Well, it's either that or iPhone OS/WebOS and we know which website doesn't support those
I've broken down and done it. Tally up one more order for a Google Nexus One with AT&T 3g bands. Now to wait impatiently until it comes in
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I've broken down and done it. Tally up one more order for a Google Nexus One with AT&T 3g bands. Now to wait impatiently until it comes in
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If for some reason that only your god/non-existent being knows the reason why, you do not like the phone.... I'm ready for it
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Well, it's either that or iPhone OS/WebOS and we know which website doesn't support those
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Even if those were supported in XDA my choice wouldn´t change
From what I heard, AT&T's Backflip is ok. It's running Android as well as having a keyboard. The thing is that it's a Motorola. I believe this is Motorola's 2nd Android phone besides the Motorola Cliq (correct me if I'm wrong)
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From what I heard, AT&T's Backflip is ok. It's running Android as well as having a keyboard. The thing is that it's a Motorola. I believe this is Motorola's 2nd Android phone besides the Motorola Cliq (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Then you heard wrong. Not only is the phone running the second worst layer of ui for Android (it runs MotoBlur, the worst is TouchWiz), it does not use Google Search, it can't use apps outside of the market, it's made by Motorola, and it has the weirdest design of a phone I've ever seen.
And I'm pretty sure it is Motorola's 3 or 4, not sure if the Devour came out before it (I know the Droid and Cliq did though).
Crackness, you sound exactly like me when it comes to looking for a phone. I am on AT&T so I want to keep that, I want speed and the hardware keyboard is a must for me, well I have a solution for you : Motorola Backflip
Yes the design is odd, but truthfully once you hold it in your hands, it actually does make sense. True the Backflip is on Android 1.5 because of the MotorBlur but they are coming out with an update soon. Otherwise the phone is amazing. Fast and keyboard is great. Trust me, it is definitely something you should look at.
I have a choice between an HD2 or a Nexus one by trading someone for it. Which one should I get and why?
I'm gonna say nexus one even though the hd2 has android now by way of unnoficial means. I don't know if everything is fully working and will continue to work but windows mobile is pretty meh. Its always flustered t6he crap out of me albeit the hardware wasn't HD2 levels. But if you like windows or your one of those serious business types then HD2 for you.
I would really like the hd2 since Android is now possible on it. I just don't know how stable it is at the moment. Can anyone tell me what works on hd2 and what doesn't?
It's still a bit far from being fully compatible. Pretty much everything works but with certain conditions. For example, the Desire ROM IMO runs everything (even the camera), but it's not compatible with certain Windows Mobile Roms and even the factory ROM isn't fully compatible. The battery isn't lasting as long when running Android either. You're probably going to want to get a Class 6 Micro SD for it if you want some speed added to it too. IMO it's pretty damn close to being fully compatible and I feel glad I got the HD2 over the Nexus one after seeing how close it is to having Android ported to it. Still, don't go for it if THAT is the only reason you want it. Android will not be 100% done it. It'll still have moments where it could freeze and you have to manually reset it. For all we know, the developers could just get pissed and quit developing for it tomorrow so I suggest not depending on it being fully done.
I picked up Nexus three months ago...since I'm not that patient regarding firmware updating...Nexus being a real google phone relaly got me then, so after painfully deciding for something like, two weeks, i bought nexus...
if flashing newly cooked ROMS on a regular basis and feeling excited but whatever new things come out and eager to try them first, go nexus.
Leo all the way!
You have all the benefits of a mature stable business OS: WM, plus the chance to test young funny Android
I Agree with orb... I thought about selling my leo and getting nexus, but the leo seems to like me more. ;D
Leo!!
And I forgot to mention it´s great super screen!!
Nexus one ftw!!!
I'd get an HD2 since they don't make the Nexus anymore.
I am a HD2 owner, but if I had the chance to go back in the past, I would probably choose the Nexus One. However, I like both very much, but the "Google Experience" is much more attractive than win mobile 6.5.
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I'm trading someone for a Nexus One if I choose to do so. I primarily want Android on my phone btw.
Bump, I'm leaning towards the hd2 at the moment
Keep leaning cause its the most bad ass phone I've ever used or seen. Its guarantee'd to be a show stopper at work and make all your iphoney coworkers slink off into a corner with their iapps to make themselves feel better.
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Bump, I'm leaning towards the hd2 at the moment
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Keep on Leo´s line!!
Now you can have Android on it
If you want to use Android, go for nexus. Yes you can have Android on HD2. I tried it on my TD2 also, but the battery life was horrible, and the phone gets really really hot, when used, and no call sounds at all.
Hopefully this will get better, but nobody can be sure if the port to android for WM devices will be fully functional in the future at all.
You will have a better android 2.2 FroYo experience on the Nexus.
They both have problems, nexus one is cursed with touch button problem (not sure in the new ones) anyway, the one I had was cursed with the problem. Hd2 i can not say, but will be receiving one soon. only problem is with the hd2 that People can't use windows Mobile and cry about " I want android" other than that its a good phone.
I have both.
Touchscreen on HD2 is kinda flaky at best even after hacking, but the HUGE screen is a big plus for reading e-books.
Nexus one has Trad Chinese interface out of the box, no custom ROM required. All you have to do is to get IME.
It's all about mobile OS preference. If you prefer Android 2.2, go for nexus one, but if you're T-Mobile US customer, wait for HTC Vanguard.
I bought an HD2 through upgrading my mobile contract last week and I returned it in six days for a Nexus one (bought from a private seller). Windows Mobile home screen looks nice but that's about it. The layout of OS is extremely confusing and takes a long while to get use to. The screen is very nice but wasnt enough to keep me from returning the phone. I also installed Android on the phone but it will still be a while to fix all the bugs and there are plenty and it just never feels right in terms of stability. Go with the nexus one. It is awesome. If the HD2 initially came with official android, HD2 all they way.
Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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nope i do not, i want to get non-branded
bump...anyone?
I had a kaiser for 4 years, then moved to the EVO on launch day. Couldn't be happier, phone is snappy as all hell, and haven't run into missing driver issues at all - the only thing HTC dropped the ball on with the EVO is capping the frame rate at 30 fps (which causes that stuttering), but if you're rooted, you can load a custom kernel that breaks the cap. Although I'm very familiar with the drivers that were missing from the kaiser, I haven't heard about any missing drivers on the EVO - care to provide a link?
Any of the galaxy s line of phones are good too - if you're coming from a kaiser, you may like the epic for the slide-out keyboard, bit they're all pretty much the same. These also have the top of the line performance for the 3d graphics that you mentioned. The 3d graphics on the EVO are pretty good (you only run into issues with some of the more demanding 3d games), but this is really where the galaxy s phones shine.
Unless you're really tied to wm6.5, I would stay away from it - it will be completely obsolete in just a few months when version 7 comes out. Unlike previous versions of wm, 7 won't be backwards compatible, so pretty soon there won't be any compatible apps for any wm6.5 devices. I would also say that any slowness or lagging that you saw on the hd2 was more than likely caused by wm, and not the chip. Give Android a shot - you won't be sorry. And stay away from the hero too, its not going to be upgraded anymire either - in fact you may want to stay away from any device without a 1ghz chip.
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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The epic actually doesn't, and the gps issues on the other galaxy s phones are all supposed to be patched by the end of Sep.
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well i don't really like the looks of evo, what about desire? it runs droid 2.1, has a 1gHz processor, what do you think about it? What about hd2? i read somewhere that it has a 100% working port of android (1.6 i think, and i guess it will get an update to 2.2) also has a 1 gHz processor.
Anyways, i know hd2 supports multitouch, but i couldn't find anywhere if the desire does.
Now about galaxy S... i have bad memories about my samsung phones, its the only phone manufacturer i cant stand.
i guess its either hd2 (because i think its the best of the current models with wm) and some android model like desire or nexus one that has 1gHz processor.
i like the desire im actually thinking about picking one up real soon.
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
Get a Galaxy S or a Nexus One, both amaaaaaaaaaaazing phones. Samsung got it right with the Galaxy S
And get away from Windows Mobile. I come from a Touch Pro 2 and it is a terrible, laggy OS. Android 2.1+ is where it's at
An HD2 (with Android running) or an Evo could be another option. The Desire is a slower phone than all of the other phones I've mentioned here.
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Maybe i should wait til wm7 is released, then maybe htc will release a new android phone that probably will have better software than n1 or desire, or maybe i will even buy something with wm7. OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BUY A FREAKING ASUS P535 that i used to have, witch worked without problems, all the apps worked fine, 3d was a blessing from the god itself. Damn the stupid qualcomm. I am actually very afraid of buying again from HTC. I had such high hopes for the kaiser when i bought it and i am afraid of buying some piece of **** again so im researching all the dirt i can find on the best smartphones.
Thanks freakzone for your time on helping me, i really appreciate it.
edit: i actually thought about customization of android like ubuntu. just imagine a 3d desktop cube on a tiny screen like that
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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i guess its either hd2 or desire for me, will go and play with those later today and see witch is better for me. I am so nostalgic about the good old times 2 years ago, having a p535 from asus was the best thing ever, it did everything i wanted it to do, it was fast and very rarely i had to restart it. I think i am going to get the hd2, even though i would like a hardware joypad but i think i can live with touch I'm just too sad that everything these days looks like a bloody iphone: nokias,htc's,samsungs, everything... i just can't stand it! i miss the good old days of wm with a square profiled pda with good, strong hw buttons and wm5
i had a samsung moment until it bricked when i tried to root it and now i got an htc hero love it
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I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I agree with Android being market grade, but disagree with the general hate fir WinMo i've seen in this thread.WinMo is a dinosaur, but dinosaurs are still big and powerful creatures.
I personally don't like suggesting the N1 because of the problems i've heard of with the soft keys being hard to hit. And (not a very big deal) it only registers two points of contact iirc. My thing is if im going to pay money, i want the best, not something that is that limited.
I like the desire though. I wish more phones would have actual buttons. Between the Desire and the HD2, id get the Desire.
And i doubt the OP has issues with WinMo if he's been using it for years and us considering getting another WinMo phone.
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I mean- it has the capabilities of 4G on TMO when released
dualboots android (perfectly stable and daily driver)
win mo 6.5 for buisness use/ more apps/ preference
top of the line specs... snapdragon, 4.3inch screen, dual led flash etc.
the only thing missing is an 8MP camera, but i would rather have a dualboot android than 3 more MPs.
This leads me to the question- is the HD2 the best all around phone out today?
Yes ....if it wasn't on t-mo
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I bought one the day they debuted and it was a pile of crap I went through three of them and didn't get one that didn't freeze on boot at least every other time, or delete all my information every other day. So no I do not believe it is the best all around phone, I would say thats the nexus one personally
It not only let you boot Android and WM, coming soon will boot WP7 too!
So it will be the first and only device booting 3 OS and specs are same or even better than newer devices.
I say yes: Leo is one of the best HTC devices ever made!
Dont forget Ubuntu and now: MeeGo
that´s right thanks!
I believe it might be...I own an N1, G2, iphone 4, and soon to be Glacier and I use my HD2 the most...Android is now stable as ever...Gingerbread will be on it soon...this phone has been a monster since it dropped..!!
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I love my HD2. Wouldn't trade it for any phone out right now. I still get questions about it.
Agreed (^_^)
I would agree too, which is why I'm finding it so difficult to upgrade and part with now.
The HTC HD7 or HTC Desire HD are my current next thoughts (hopefully this month too), but can't say I'm excited about either of them and hoping for something a little more special to come out by anyone really (of course leaning more towards HTC as I have done so for over 8 years now).
Easily my favorite phone ever which is non-Android.
I was actually thinking about picking an HD2 up for the hell of it to throw Android on since I'm getting sick of the size of my HTC Aria...but I may switch from AT&T to Spring to get an Evo or Evo2.
I'm one of those guys who won't use a phone without a physical keyboard. I can't get used to screen-typing, I just don't like the feel of it. If the HD2 had a Pro variant with a slide-out, I'd own it already. I recognize it's an awesome phone though, just not for me.
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I'm one of those guys who won't use a phone without a physical keyboard. I can't get used to screen-typing, I just don't like the feel of it. If the HD2 had a Pro variant with a slide-out, I'd own it already. I recognize it's an awesome phone though, just not for me.
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+1. If there was a pro-version THEN it would be THE best phone ever to-date. I consider myself a VERY heavy user and the ROM I have seems to work like a charm.
The only reason I have to take the battery out is to turn it off as the on/off button has been reprogrammed!
Sadly, switching to a Dell Venue in two weeks... oh for the keyboard.
(Orb, AFAIK - and I could be wrong! - WinPho7 requires hardware mods for it to work on a HD2 so don't expect it)
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+1. If there was a pro-version THEN it would be THE best phone ever to-date. I consider myself a VERY heavy user and the ROM I have seems to work like a charm.
The only reason I have to take the battery out is to turn it off as the on/off button has been reprogrammed!
Sadly, switching to a Dell Venue in two weeks... oh for the keyboard.
(Orb, AFAIK - and I could be wrong! - WinPho7 requires hardware mods for it to work on a HD2 so don't expect it)
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So you're going the W7P route? The Dell Venue looks good, but not please with the 3.5mm jack on top (like silly iPhone thingys) and the keyboard looks like old school keyboards being far to small to actually use. Hmm... decisions... decisions?!
fazz said:
So you're going the W7P route? The Dell Venue looks good, but not please with the 3.5mm jack on top (like silly iPhone thingys) and the keyboard looks like old school keyboards being far to small to actually use. Hmm... decisions... decisions?!
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The jack on top means that when you dock it (which I'm guessing you will be able to) into a 3rd party desktop cradle you will still be able to listen to music - unlike my HD2's docks!
Don't know how the keys will feel.... I can always send it back if they are bad
I had a Rhodium before and must say I´m a real keyboard device person but got tired of the slowness of Rhodium, then got Leo and I´m still missing a real kb but in terms of speed there is no comparative.
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I'm one of those guys who won't use a phone without a physical keyboard. I can't get used to screen-typing, I just don't like the feel of it. If the HD2 had a Pro variant with a slide-out, I'd own it already. I recognize it's an awesome phone though, just not for me.
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I moved to T-Mo almost two weeks ago over from VZW. I had T-Mo before but coverage was far less back then.
I picked up the HD2 and really liked it but missed Android. I had several failed attempts to get Android to run. I then decided to separate my work and personal line with two phones so I grabbed the G2.
Now I re-flashed my HD2 to a Mega Leo Rom, was an Energy ROM. Then I made a second attempt at Android on a fresh reformatted sd and put on Mdeejay EVo Sense rom.
I was amazed how slick Android boots on HD2. Of Course there has been some bumps with a Flaky Data connection and it will not install Angry Birds from the Market. I was drawn to the HD2 because I had a Droid X and the larger screen was the attraction.
In the end the HD2 is a great device with all the options and have a Snapdragon processor makes it available to compete with current phones.
Android or W7P?
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The jack on top means that when you dock it (which I'm guessing you will be able to) into a 3rd party desktop cradle you will still be able to listen to music - unlike my HD2's docks!
Don't know how the keys will feel.... I can always send it back if they are bad
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That maybe, but I've never used mine for playing music through a dock, I usually make my own custom docks and prefer to have the ability to pick up my phone from out of my pocket, with it being the right way up already and the jack underneath for easy usage generally, especially whilst seated on the TfL for example.
However, I'd image this is a 50/50 point, where half would prefer the jack on the bottom and vice versa.
CPW are bugging me weekly to upgrade to anything fro free and with just a 12 month contract, but stuck in what to go for. I'm only going to keep the phone for 3-4 months too and probably give it to my other half to use (whose a heavy Outlook user) so thinking a W7P, but I know she'd prefer Android with the newer HTC sense. I'm also not impressed enough with the Desire HD, so wondering if I should be waiting.
I just bought a Sony LiveView to go with an Android 2.0+ and can't find out if it will work with a W7P at all (too early to ask I guess), so thinking to go with a Desire HD with the Sony LiveView until a newer handset comes out that is much better (probably in a couple of months) and give the above to my Mrs to use, maybe?
I think I read that Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) needs 1.5Ghz to run well and in general smartphones are still some months away from that official speed.
best non android and android phone ever ... its the BEST FONE EVAAA !!
dowmace said:
I bought one the day they debuted and it was a pile of crap I went through three of them and didn't get one that didn't freeze on boot at least every other time, or delete all my information every other day. So no I do not believe it is the best all around phone, I would say thats the nexus one personally
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After 3 phones, the statistical odds are is that you're the one with the manufacturing defect.