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I decided to write this review to warn others from dealing with paypal, they have charged me before completing the registration process, and after charging me they have asked for me to fax them extra documents that I don't have, I told them that I don't have that documents, and I asked them to find an alternative way, they replied stupidly asking the same question, I called them and wasted my money on international calls, every one of their rude employees gave me different answers. at the end I asked them to close my account, they refused, they said that the cannot close the account neither they can activate it if I don't send them the faxed papers. Simply they are either stupid or they were stealing me. I still couldn’t get my money back, but I had to cancel my credit card because they had a continuous access on it, and that cost me allot also. There should be a law to watch such companies...
You watch your money, and don't trust those companies that call themselves as a company for your own security; it is a company that will have a full access to your credit card... I lost much with my registration trial with Paypal (www.paypal.com) be careful from this company.
Not my experience. I had to fax them papers on my credit card, if I remember correctly. But that wasn't a problem after that. I think it was a bank statement. I use PayPal almost every week to buy from eBay.
perhaps its because you live in what is considered quite a dodgy country by many others?
all ive had to do with paypal, and ive been using them for years, is enter my card and bank details online, they performed a chargeback on my account of $1 and i had to enter the reference that showed on my bank statement
Paypal has always worked very well for me. From what I remember, I gave them my bank account information and then they made three small deposits. To verify, I had to let them know the amounts of those three deposits. Now, 100's of transactions later, I am a veteran and still highly satisfied. Sorry you had an unfavorable experience.
Ok... Maybe you had some good experience there, but I advice you all to have a look on this site (www.nopaypal.com) and also you may search Google for other peoples reviews on this issue... in the site I gave here, you will find too many stories that are simillar to mine..
they also say that with paypal things goes fine until you face a small silly problem, then you start to suffer, one of them says, that he sold an item for a specific amount of money and after he recieved the payment to paypal they have limited his account and he cannot get him money from them until now !!
read and see how they deal with people,
if you think that they read those fax papers then you are mistaken, someone says that he faked the papers and faxed them and things went fine, where is the security in that? you can steal a card number and fake the fax paper, the more secure way was the $1.95 decuction and verifying it by the 4 pin number, I did that but they didn't satisfy with it, they are like machines, they Don't have minds to use and think, when I be honest with them and tell them that I don't have such a paper, they reply saying: "we are still waiting for the fax" like robots....
the main problem there is that they are not trained to handle problems, when you have a problem then you are stuck there....
one more important issue that i have mentioned: how come they have charged me before verifying my card, they claim that they limited my account because they cannot verify my account, then what if I stole that card, why did they charge the real owner then? they should have asked for all of the papers they needed then they could start charging, that is really silly, common people search google and have a look on www.nopaypal.com, there are books talking about paypal's cheating, you can read everyday a new story there... if you had a good experience with them then this is not meaning that they are good, it is just you are lucky that you didn't face any problem yet!
Okay, let's get real here.
What documents would they ask for that a card owner wouldn't have? Why don't you have the documents?
The domain name, NoPaypal.com, was registered back in 2001 in order to drum up support for a class action lawsuit. Yep, that person had a bad experience when Paypal was new. The "Bash Paypal Bandwagon" was in full force several years ago. You are a little late.
If I stopped using every service/vendor that someone had a bad experience with, I'd have to stop using everything.
If I go to a restaurant that sucks, I don't go back. Don't run around like chicken little yelling "the sky is falling".
they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name, so this is realistic, if you don't like to believe that they are theievs then you are free, keep dealing with them , everyone is free in this life, I just liked to warn the other people and give an advice, so take my advice or leave it, but don't regret later!!
EMU said:
they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name
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so you have a bank in a country were you dont live, no way you can confirm your current and previous addresses and you are complaining that paypal wont deal with you!!!!!
good! im glad paypal wont deal with you, if you were to rip me off, what could i do about it? i couldnt find out where you live or where you bank.
wake up, smell the coffee, get yourself a bank and a real address that you own and pay your way in, then maybe, just maybe youll have some financial credibility
jeesh!
dont tell me... you are nigerian and you have $1 200 419 that you need to invest, but your governmnt charges too much tax.........................
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you people thing yourself something?? huh..
work your mind a little bit, I dont have to give you all the details, dump yourself and deal whoever you like to, I just wrote my experience, and as I said before you are free to get the advice or leave it,
are you working for paypal guys? you appear to be from UK? by the way I am not nigerean and I do not care about you or the companies in your country, if you want to realy talk about ropping people, then read carefully my story and see how paypal took the money before even getting the fax, then what if really I was ropping someone's card? why did they charge him before getting sure? I was ropped by paypal and didn't get my money back yet.... maybe you cannot think wide.. it is your problem, that is why in your country we always hear such stories, but thanks God we don't have much like those stories from local companies, you even didn't use your mind to look at the flag near my name and your wide imagination lead you to nigeria, cool
for your information, my bank is now handling the case with this stupid paypal company, I respect my bank and I am very happy of their fast reaction against what paypal did, I wont be posting any further details about this topic in this forum cuz it looks like the people here are to fight not to get advices and advice others, you could have read it and either propose me a solution for my problem like someone who did in other forum, or you could just close that page, but you prefer to defend paypal, they probably from your way of defending, you are one of them !
Good luck for the good people..
the reference to nigeria was a joke, the clue was in the monetary amount, for someone so concerned about scams, im surprised youve never heard of the "nigerian 419" scam
google it
btw, i know what country your flag is from, i said as much in my first reply when i politely commented on the fact that many businesses in the world may not trust doing business with people from that country, hence the requests for additional verification of who you are.
the fact that you bank in another country and have no id relating to where you live really makes it of no surprise that they dont want to deal with you.
they charged US$1.95....... not exactly fraud of the century is it?
after sending one item paypal says..international shipment
We are sorry for the delay in transferring the money that was paid by Katrina Baral into your PayPal account. We hereby inform you that the money that we are ordered to transfer into your PayPal account (€180.00 EUR) is too Small for us to transfer into your PayPal account due to International Transfer Limit from our PayPal Transfer Department Unit and the new Policy of our PayPal. So the real amount that can reach your account from our PayPal Transfer Desk start from €400.00 EUR upward. we contacted Katrina Baral about this situation to make an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account.
We are happy to tell you that Katrina Baral have made an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account which is already deducted from the buyer account. It's already confirmed and approved by us which means the total amount of €400.00 EUR is approved and it is ready to be credited into your PayPal account TODAY. So we think we can sort the problem out by you sending the Excess Fund. Katrina Baral ask us to tell you to help him send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and use the extra €20.00 EUR for the western union charges and for your transportation.
You are advised now to go to any western union Outlet/Office and send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and get back to us with the western union details so we can verify and get your account credited without any further delay.
I am going back to a crappo phone and won't need IM+ anymore. I figured someone here might want it at a reduced price.
I have cleared this with mods and e-mailed the kind people at SHAPE Services, and got this response regarding transfer of license.
Hello, David!
Thank you for choosing our software!
We can not help you to re-sell your license code but we can offer you to change the license code for IM+ for your new
device. Just debote the model type and we will send you a new license.
Please infrom us about your decision.
We are waiting for your reply!
With best regards,
Valeriya Molotkova
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I bought it from them for $39.95 so I figure I would offer it up at $25.
As a kind gesture, I'd be happy to e-mail them with your model type to get the new registration code, and give it to you before you send PayPal (I'm pretty skiddish about online payment for electronic services myself).
Just seeing if there is any interest...?
And mods, I did get the OK to put it here in General, but if it is better in Off-Topic, feel free to move the thread.
IM+ License Key
Hey,
Do you still have the license key available? I am very interested in Purchasing it from you. I am currently using an XDA Exec with WM6 and using the tmobile tzones 5.99 data plan to connect.
Thanks,
Mike
I have a weird problem... I ordered the e-cig (China) and after extensive talks with local Customs office, National Medications Department and TNT, I could not get my shipment from them. The problem is, in Estonia the E-pipe is regarded as "medical device" and the cartridges and liquid as "medicine". So without proper license I cannot import them. There is also a way around this - if the package contains ONLY the E-pipe without ANY cartridges and is sent by private person (not company) I can import them because it is not considered as "ordering from internet". TNT can change the address on the package if they want but not the originating country. That's the problem actually... I was wondering if someone could help me with that?
Currently the package is at TNT's warehouse and waiting my instructions, for which I have two options now - send back or have it destroyed. Of course, sending back costs additional money, around 30$. The package contains 45$ e-pipe, some pipe accessories and e-liquid, total worth around 65$.
I am looking for someone from China willing to help - provide his/her address, have the package sent to there, take the "medicine" parts out of the package and send it back via regular post (it's cheaper). If You can make use of the liquid and cartridges, You might give me a discount on the postal charges, if not, I am willing to pay the costs via Paypal. I calculated 30$ for TNT and 10$ for regular post back to here.
There are two reasons I want to do this. One is for principle - to **** the Customs (government) for ****ing me. The other is that I don't like the idea of destroying the device - on one hand, corrupted as they are, they are probably taking it to themselves anyway. On the other hand, if not, it's not very environmentally sound thing to do.
Anyway, hope there are someone decent folk from China here willing to help.
i can help
i am in shenzhen city guangdong province.
I can help you.
My mailbox:[email protected]
If you want know me more,visit www.rubberfactory.com.cn.
TBH I wouldnt trust a first time poster, but other than that. MODs can we please hide this guys email for his sake
To: wsrubber
OK, thanks, I will e-mail You!
To: livefastdieyoung87
Well, normally I would not too, but I'm kind of in a tight position.
aiiro said:
To: livefastdieyoung87
Well, normally I would not too, but I'm kind of in a tight position.
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Oi Oi that live fastdieFUN87 dont make me hurt you lol
Oops... Sorry
The wiki list of prices showed this shop to be the cheapest one! http://www.tigaduacellular.com
I tried to order from them, please see what happened! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM! PLEASE!
Here we go, the e-mail conversation with their sales department:
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Please Confirm Your Tiga Dua Cellular: Order #
to me
Hello XXX,
Thank you for your order. We have the phone you order in stock.
We have the EU and Asia version available.
We will dispatch your order after we have verified your payment. Please
confirm if you want to cancel this order or want to continue this order.
So we can provide you with our payment information.
If you have any questions regarding your order, don't be hesitate to contact
us.
Best Regards,
Mr. XXX
http://www.tigaduacellular.com
Email: [email protected]
Phone:
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Me to the shop
Hello,
Thanks for your extremely fast reply! I would like to purchase the EU version of the phone. So please continue with the Touch Pro EU version order.
Sincerely Yours,
XXX
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Me to the shop again
Hi,
I'm wondering if you have noted my message that i would like to continue with the purchase of the Touch Pro EU version as noted below. Now I find myself missing the payment information, which I am waiting from you to send me. The first contact from you was extremely fasy, which I'm thankful for, but approximately how long it can take to tell me how to pay?
The thing that you don't have option to pay via Credit card is already quite annoying, but even more annoying is to wait for the bank transfer payment information. Nothing personal, I'm just used to that shops would be more eager to get the money from the customers.
Sincerely yours,
XXX
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to me
Actually, we have send the payment information to you, the day you reply the
email.
We don't know if you already received it or not.
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Me to the shop
Hello,
Alright, I see! So the payment information is not sent via e-mail but by post. I am honestly sorry for my misunderstanding. I was assuming to get it to my e-mail. Thanks for the info. I'll be looking forward getting that information. Again sorry for my bad behaviour. all the best!
Regards,
XXX
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to me
Of course we have sent the information via e-mail.
Well I guess you're not serious buyer anyway.
Hope you will get your "FREE PHONE" with other website.
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Me to the shop
Hi,
I would really like to buy the phone, but have not received any confirmation? I double checked my spam folder also, nothing in there! I am really serious, as soon as you can provide me with the payment information i would like to purchase the phone.
Because i tried to be the nicest possible to you, i will take all the e-mails, collect a nice package of them and get in contact with your superior. This is not customer service.
You will hear from me, Mr. XXX. Too bad that you werent able to do your job. I will make sure no one will ever buy from your shop again if this harm done by you is not corrected.
Think twice before you fool around like that, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I WASNT A SERIOUS BUYER?
Sincerely,
XXX
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Me to the shop
PS. this information, and all the emails we have been sending to each other will soon be found from all the biggest mobile phone forums, where your customers are also coming.
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to me
Oh yes.
And you're just a customers who don't pay but want mobile phones.
Or maybe you're just another Nigerian buyer.
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Me to the shop
Excuse me!
I was ASKING YOU to send me the PAYMENT INFORMATION! BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO DO SO IN THE FIRST PLACE!
All this will be reported to your superior. Thanks.
Regards,
XXX
DAMN!!!!! what the hell....
Unbelievable!!!!
Thnx 4 sharing dude!
I was gona buy from them but when a seen they only do "Bank To Bank Transfers" a shat out of it. Don't see why any site wouldn't do paypal.
adamdon89 said:
I was gona buy from them but when a seen they only do "Bank To Bank Transfers" a shat out of it. Don't see why any site wouldn't do paypal.
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I'm glad i never got those payment instructions. who knows where my money could be right now!
And also remember, when ordering from them, you will probably have to pay the toll and VAT at your home country, so it really isn't even that cheap.
OMG
What a clueless webshop contact.
I think you should inform the owner of the shop so you can get this guy fired!
thanks for sharing
Amazing.......
You should copy the web-link from here and send them an email with the details of this post..... not good at all? and "who" pays "bank to bank" only these days - very strange indeed?
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WizzarD-me said:
What a clueless webshop contact.
I think you should inform the owner of the shop so you can get this guy fired!
thanks for sharing
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I thought to do so, but after doing whois pings on the domain, found out that the website is registered to a person with a same surname than the person answering my e-mail. Family biz.. They can go to hell with their stupid shop, just ordered from expansys.
Sounds very dodgie.... Thanks for sharing....
I bought from highstreet "Kamla" in London on Tottenham Court Road... UK version for £499.
A bit more expensive but from my past experience with HTC P3600 which was quite unstable initially, I thought it's better to buy from a shop where I can go back to if anything goes wrong.
I tell you...that is nuts. I had an issue with the first Touch Pro I ordered. Thank goodness I did it on E-Bay. Paypal refunded my money after my dispute, found another seller, and bought two of them with next day air delivery. Though I had one seller try to mess around with me, money was safe, and still had my Touch Pro within a week of the UK's launch.
Good luck with your next seller.
if it wasn't blindingly obvious to you already:
DON'T PAY BY BANK TRANSFER OR WESTERN UNION.
A merchant who doesn't take cards is generally always a scammer; bank transfers/WU are irreversible, this is precisely why they're required by scammers.
If you want to buy a device, buy it on a card; the price is cheaper than average for a good reason, use your noodle.
Hello
I am trying to sell my Captivate on Ebay. I have had 4 different people - all located in the Ukraine inquire about the phone. Noone else from anywhere has asked about it.
Is there something about the Captivate and Ukraine?
Maybe it's one person with multiple accounts, or some of her/his friends.
Doesn't matter where they are from as long as they pay, and do NOT ship the phone until you have the money in your hands.
Phones are hard to get over seas and can be resold for 10x what they pay for it
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+1^
Use paypal for take the payment. And just ship after check that you have the money in your account.
Be cautious. I've had people try to scam me when I sold my Archos 101. They offered $100 more than what I was selling it for, but the catch is they wanted me to send the Archos to his cousin(who was also out of state).It just didn't seem right . Also have a friend that dealt with a buyer from another country. The check or whatever they sent him ended up costing him money somehow. So I only deal with local buyers. Just my 2 cents
Thanks for the tips guys
I wouldnt do it! I would never buy over seas and if you sold i would go thre PayPal for sure and dont send till money in hand. Good luck!
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maybe they heard about UnBrickable Mod and want a Captivate to develop with....
Darkuso said:
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Use paypal for take the payment. And just ship after check that you have the money in your account.
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Keep in mind that PayPal will freeze your *entire* account for the duration if the buyer files a dispute.... you better be able to PROVE s/he got the phone beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just fyi.
I'll buy it
I'm in nigeria....
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Keep in mind that PayPal will freeze your *entire* account for the duration if the buyer files a dispute.... you better be able to PROVE s/he got the phone beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just fyi.
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Ebay have a buyer/seller protection system, in that case they have to prove that he didnt sent the phone or isnt as was in the description. And if the buyer want the money back have to ship back to the seller. You can read about it in the ebay security center, i bought my phone in ebay, took a week to get from US to Venezuela.
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Doesn't matter where they are from as long as they pay, and do NOT ship the phone until you have the money in your hands.
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+1 ship only on correct payment, not 1000 donkeys in exchange for your hard earned £50.00
just make sure it is on your terms i.e pay pall and quote for insured shipping. simples
nmsraider said:
+1 ship only on correct payment, not 1000 donkeys in exchange for your hard earned £50.00
just make sure it is on your terms i.e pay pall and quote for insured shipping. simples
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1000 donkeys! Hahahahahaha lmao.
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As long as you get the money, who cares?
Sold an iPhone on eBay to a guy in Ukraine. The tracking system showed that it never arrived and he got his money back through PayPal. I was out an iPhone, eBay's fees, and the cost of shipping.
My local PO told me they hear things like that all the time about Ukraine. The postal system is apparently awful there.
Edit: Just because you get the money doesn't put you in the clear, PayPal put negative balance on my account and called me everyday after the dispute threatening to turn me over to collections if I didn't pay them back.
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also require them to buy insurance, that will protect u and the buyer if the package supposedly never arrives
not worth the hassle or risk you should have no problem selling to a buyer in US or Canada both of which tend to be safer than say Nigeria or Ukraine.
Good point on the insurance. So in case it does get "lost", my money won't be completely lost.
Just in case anyone doesn't know the check scam. The way it works is they send you a check for the product. It looks legit, even your bank will think its real. Banks will normally put the money into your account within 1-3 days if the amount of the check is below a certain amount. They do this before the check ever clears with the bank listed on the check (many times its an overseas bank so it takes even longer to clear). So what happens is that you get your money, ship the product, and then a couple weeks later the bank calls you up and says you owe them that money back because the check bounced. Or worse yet, the bank deducts it directly from your account, which happens, and you get overdrawn. Now you also owe overdraft fees. Problem is you cant hold on to the product for the length of time it takes for the check to fully clear, many times its 2-4 weeks.
So lesson is use paypal, cash, or even western union. No checks ever. There are plenty of scams out there but this one is one of the easiest for people to pull off.