Hi,
first of all i want to tell you that i am sorry for this kind of noob question.
What happens when a device is flashed with a rom with wrong nk.exe?
The backround is that i am using a E-TEN Glofiish M800 and i am very disappoted with the lack of ram the device has.
So now i tried to figure out what happens when i cook a rom with WM6.5 native kernel from HTC Hermes. The Hermes has quite similar hardware copmpared to the Glofiish M800. Should this work or do i run into problems where the deivce is unsuable anymore???
Thanks
StefanV3
you would surely brick the device
not worth trying
Hi,
the M800 is capable to recover the flash via Bootloader. Will the bootloader not be accessible anymore???
Thanks
StefanV3
My guess is that you'll be able to re-flash, but I doubt the device will boot. Give it a shot.
Or, figure out ways to improve your RAM consumption. That's probably the easiest thing to do. In your boot.rgu, set the file system caches to 0 (dynamic). Lower your page pool. Use the stock microsoft dialer, and use the old-style lockscreen if you're on 6.5 (don't use the slide to unlock, it's a major ram-hog).
Hi,
might it be that there are some hardware keys declared in nk.exe???
I viewed both nk.exe s000 files and in the file from M800 i found entry's for reset button and power button.
At this time i really don't know if i will try it because when these entry's are key assignments i am afraid that with a rom with this hermes wm6.5 native kernel i am not be able to reach the bootloader anymore for firmware recovery.
StefanV3
Good point on the buttons, but, I still want you to do this. Just take one for the team, lol.
I do know that you can use the 6.5 nk for the cdma raphael in cdma diamonds (they never got a 6.5 nk). It supposedly works well, but they're both htc devices. Does htc make the glofish?
Hi
No, this Glofiish devices are from E-Ten Corporation. But it seems that there won't be devices available anymore labeled as Glofiish because E-Ten manufactures the devices known as ACER Liquid/Neo or Acer beTouch.
So currently i would not give it a shot becaue this Glofiish M800 was a birthday gift from my wife and good friends nearly a year ago and they payed € 250,- together for it.
Thanks
StefanV3
If you can enter the bootloader from the device being off (as in, not in WM) then you should be able to recover it. NK.exe only kicks in as WM boots, so it won't affect anything that happens before the OS.
Hi,
yes, i am able to enter the bootloader mode when the device was switched off. So, maybe i'll give it a shot...
I remember that there was a user at eten-users.eu who flashed an E-Ten Glofiish M810 with a rom for M800 (the M800 and the M810 are different devices) and this user was able to reflash a stock M810 rom, so i think i wouldn't kill the device with Hermes nk.exe ...
But before i'll try this, is there anyone that has encountered some more benefits of the native kernel on hermes??? Will there be any benefits in saving free ram??? Or is the only benefit that i didn't have to recmod some modules to get slot 0 free???
StefanV3
Hi,
for all who want to know the actual state of this "project":
First try, only nk.exe is replaced by Hermes 6.5 native kernel nk.exe in OEMXIPKernel. But it has failed. The device diesn't boot.
But after this i succesfully reflashed the device via bootloader flash (USBDL) with a WM6.5 rom with oldkernel.
So now i'll try to replace all files in OEMXIPKernel with the available ones for hermes 6.5 native kernel.
*Update*
Tried to use all files from Hermes 6.5 native kernel but it doesn't work, so i think the project has completely failed...
Thanks to all
StefanV3
Related
Don't get too excited.
Just noticed that they have rearranged the TMobile Download Manager at http://www.iris-global.com/t_mobile_download/mdas.html
and it now includes downloads for the MDA Compact II (like Magician but WM2005).
Before you ask, no, it does not work with the standard Magician. But interesting nonetheless, especially for playing with it.
YEs Lets get to Work guys Maybe we can open te install file and get out the rom file and do the same thing whit this rom when we do Bigstorage upgrade ?!
why can't some hackers port this ROM to the magician??
the only problem seems to be bussiness, so why not take everything except the cpu part from those ROMs and get the CPU part from a Himalaya or any Xscale CPU WM5 ppc??!!
isn't that possible??
The OS part of the nbf is practically the same as the Wizard OS part, identical size too. If someone was working on porting this to the Magician they would of started ages ago when those roms came out. It might look like a Magician but thats about it, the mdac2 has much more in common with the Wizard than the Magician.
Good afternoon gang,
I have a few questions about TouchFLO.
I have a HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125). I have only flashed it once for the latest Cingular update. It is an unlocked device. I use it on the Rogers GSM network here in Canada.
Anyhow. I am curious about trying out the TouchFLO but I am not too sure if I want to flash my device just yet.
Is it possible to install any of the TouchFLO capabilities into the ARM Device Emulator?
I develop Windows Mobile applications as a day job but I've never had to deal with ROMs as we setup our apps to run on default factory devices.
We use Device Emulator heavily in our development however I have not seen a way to emulate flashing one.
The emulator boots .bin files.
Also addition questions.
Does the HTC Wizard require WM6 to run TouchFLO? I am pretty happy with my device right now and I see lots of forum posts about many SMS and call/radio issues with WM6 ROMS etc so all of these issues doesn't make it look like its a simple flash & works great kind of situation.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated
Thanks and take care.
Hey. I use and unlocked cingular 8125 with rogers. My phone is a G4 CID locked device. I have the latest rom by ovtaivoi which is a WM6 professional with touchflo software in it. i use the faria 2.69 radio rom and i have had no problems with sms or calls so far. i really love the touchflo software and its pretty sweet. as for your questions, I am not sure what you are talking about the emulator program, honestly. is it something you use on the computer to emulate and see how wm6 would look like? all the upgrade packages come with a .nbf file which is the main data file. if you are able to unpack it and repack it to a .bin file, you may be able to do what you want, but dont quote me on this as i'm still not sure as to what exactly you wanted to do. As far as if touch flow will work only on WM6, I cant say much about that either as i have only used it WM6. WM6 has a better graphics base when compared to WM5 and so i think touch flow would work better with WM6 but I don't think its limited to it.
What I would suggest is to flash the phone with the latest rom. Trust me, its worth it. All the work and skill that the developers have put into these roms really show itself in these roms. Make sure you read enough in this forum before you flash though. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Good luck.
Thanks for the reply!
I learned a lot about my device going through that procedure. It was SIM unlocked but not CID unlocked.
I went through everything and now have WM6 installed using the latest NBD ROM however I am finding the TouchFLO driver buggy. I cannot use my finger to press the "x" icon any more. Sometimes I press it and the start menu appears. Something is up with this touch driver in that release I think.
Also TouchFLO scrolling gestures don't work very reliable and it scrolls way too much.
Is this the case with all TouchFLO ROMs or is each ROM modifying touch capabilities and perhaps one ROM works better than the next?
Also is there a version of the HTC Home with that digital clock with a font about half the size so I can have a few more today screen plugins visible? I like it however its a bit too large.
Thanks and take care.
hi pls let me know the link to download it.
mail me at [email protected]
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
So, if i understand you correct your plan is to create a wm6 rom for the magician, right? This would be really cool...
P.S.
kingt0t said:
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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i think you mean "guys" when you say "gays"
good luck with your project!
Kingt0t, what you want to do ain't something that hasn't been thought before...yes, you can do a WM6 for magician (hell, you can invent a new OS if you wish...lol) The thing is...time.
There's no drivers for the magician hardware built inside any WM6 ROM...(well, not entirely true - there's probable a few WM 5/6 ROMs which might have a few drivers for our hardware - but not all that are required so to make a workable magician ROM).
You probably would need to create drivers for all missing/required magician hardware...oh and above all...you probably would need to create a special/new bootloader because it seems to me that since WM5, the bootloader has changed it's way of loading the Windows Mobile OSes... (They use what is now called IPL/SPL...)
I'm not trying to discourage you...it's just that we (xda community) have heard about so many people with the same thoughts, giving up after realizing the enormous amount of work that would be required so to build a working wm6 magician ROM
Anyway, if you're really into it, then start by studying what hardware the magician has and how it works...
I can give you a few ideias right now:
- The CPU (PXA272) uses what is called a strataflash (It is glued to the cpu), which i believe there's not many models with this concept(if any). Most of them uses what is called DOC (Disk On Chip).
(if this ain't true, please someone correct me if i'm wrong)
- IDK if there's a driver for this CPU model in any other PPC with WM5/WM6...
- You will probably need to disassemble alot of dlls / .sys / Etc, so to figure out the functions names; what do they do; how do they interact with the rest of the OS...etc...
- Last but not the least, you would need to strip out alot of stuff since the magician only has 64Mb ROM or you could study how HARET (for linux) works and how it allows us to boot a SD Card partition image...
oh well...start posting away if you need help...for shure some gurus in here will start dropping you ideias, concepts, tests that were already made...
Best Regards,
Keeper
P.S: honestely, if someday microsoft decides to release the source code for WM2003 (like they did for win9x and windows 2000), then maybe, just maybe, we will be able to compile a modified version with some parts of the WM 5/6/xxx...
Maybe this is a good start, at least for WM5?
Ubiquio 401 has the same PXA272 CPU and 64MB ROM as the Magician, but it comes with WM5. Perhaps the IPL/SPL and CPU drivers that come with the FW will make less work for some smart person to make a custom Magician ROM.
Here is the Ubiquio 401 ROM, maybe somebody can extract some useful stuff from it:
ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar
I think it's also the same as the Gigabyte g-Smart i. g-Smart i uses WM5 AKU2. I don't know which AKU the Ubiquio uses.
Gnat,
There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.
Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354
So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|
If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )
Keeper
hope this dream come true....WM6 or just WM5 for IMATE JAM
kingt0t said:
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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if you do this, many will make a donation for your hard work...a NEW WM5 or WM6 ROM FOR the MAGICIAN.
Wow, that's a lot of work to find JTAG points. I have even more respect for people like Helmi if he had to find JTAG points for every device he has made a WM5 and WM6 for!
I don't think I will be finding the JTAG points on my Magician - I don't want to kill it! However, if anyone has a dead, fried or water damaged Magician, I will gladly pull the BGA off and trace the JTAG points.
If the JTAG points have a specific "signature" when viewed on an oscilloscope, I would be happy to trace them that way since I do have a 100MHz DSO available.
i hope too, this dream to ours magician
Oh btw...the taxist russian guy which released the 2.01~3TX rom did NOT made a WM6 for the magician - He simply opened up a magician ROM, changed a few icons, sounds, apps and packed it again...the Operating system still is WM2003se.
if you guys want to try and mod your own roms, use the following tools: alpinenbfdecode.pl, splitrom.pl and dumprom. They are available at the itsme website. ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/ )
Anyway, check this thread...there's a small script on how to re-create the XIP structure: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3924&st=1020#entry744997
Once again, this ain't gonna change your OS (there's no WM5/6 IPL/SPL for the magician) - it will only allow you to mod a few things... :-(
Keeper
Zoneaone
It very fantastic for your effort. thanks.
are you still there kingT0T?
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
okey kingt0t...so what you want to do is something like taxist did...a modded ROM with a WM2k3 kernel core...
Well, one thing that i would suggest that you could start doing, would be a new bluetooth stack based on the WM 2k5/2k6 one (widcomm, i think)...
Anyway, idk russian and has so, i don't understand much of what is said on that link, but what i did understand is that taxist found a way of modifying the programs in a way that he could insert them has XIP (eXecution In Place), without breaking the expected original execution addresses...the thing is: he never revealed how he has done it...
There's a few guys in there that are trying to do what he has done by using the three tools that i've posted previously, but idk if they did acomplished the "XIP chain ROM address redirectioning"...
Regards,
Keeper
kingt0t said:
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
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First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking!
Yés kingtot wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream,it is a mirage...
kingt0t said:
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
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I'm not sure I understand. You want a WM2003SE that only looks like WM5/WM6? But then it can't run WM5/WM6-specific apps... what purpose is that? I hardly see the point. If that's what you want, it already exists and besides, you can just use Wisbar or something similar and make a theme.
WM2003SuperSe must run wm5 apps. it's main task !!!!
still dream or stop
what's going on?
wm6 again became dream
does the current hardware support Android ?
If it does, anyone knows when we can expect an alpha release ?
nah, don't think so. If you've watched something on the video it seems that its gonna need quite a lot ram and video memory
I read that it has quite low hardware requirements and that most of the currently available devices have the capability to run android. So I hope that our beloved prophet will be running it, too.
I'm really waiting to see it on my Prophet
What about PDAVIET can he do it >?????
good idea
i hope prophet support
SDK available here!
Enjoy!!
Has anyone managed to run android on prophet yet? I've seen several reports of android running htc touch's around the tubes. Lets make this happen shall we, even is its unusable, just for the sake of saying, "look, that's android on my super prophet.punk."
thanks.
Haret seems to boot
It starts booting the kernel
Then fade to white
When pressing power button dump back in windows.
Seem to get quite somewhere, any people who like to try?
Used this files:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-file-for-automatic-and-easy-installation
The android kernel as released by Google doesn't have support for alot of the hardware devices in the prophet, including the OMAP850. Linwizard does, so the first stage of getting it to work will be getting the two kernels in sync.
That said, the prophet is below the minimum ram and rom specs for android so its unknown whether it will actually be able to run or not. I suppose one could try restricting the emulator and seeing how it runs with limited memory before jumping in to the kernel conversion.
eemmmmm.... seem like prophet hardware wont support for Android...
ANDROID 0.8 boots on prophet
Hi,
After trying a lot of zimage and android images with haret, i finaly found one that boots with prophet. It's a 0.8 ANDROID made for the HTC Wizard ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403015&page=4 ). It is really slow and really few hardware is supported but it's a good step to start a good port for our prophet.
Thanks to Patoche for his work on the wizard. Hope he will continue and some people join the projetct.
will definitely try
Does anyone want to test wm6.1 professional for VOX?
If you are, you will have to write me a message
Thanks
professional on Vox?
I know hacks exist but is working for real ?
A little bit more info and serious please!
There was a test which didnt start
kozhura said:
Here is test version
1.WM 6.1 Professional
CE OS 5.2.19209 (Build 19209 .1.0.2)
2.Deleted melodies
3.Only english mui, other was missed
This is a TEST VERSION!
But you cant brik your device because its only OS and other was deleted (IPL,Splash,SPL,Radio)
You must do the Super CID and uspl unlock before flashing ROM
DOWNLOAD
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This rom is not compatible on Vox - device: BRE100 CID: QTEC Z12 version 1.43.706... this is not Vox, i'm tested
ok, ill put next rom
kozhura said:
ok, ill put next rom
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This sounds great, would love to see some screen shots in the first post to see what it looks like.
Roland
Yea, I'd like to see here more info and some screenshots.. I don't believe that this is possible, because of complete different hardware.. Being a little sceptic.
I'm not admired that there's a possibility of using WM pro in the VOX...you have something similar on the Startrek (QTEK 8500): link
I will surely like to test it .
But I need to know if this will really work? If you have the ROM and test on your VOX/710, please post some images and scribe a little description about, so that we can analyze before we proceed to test
Sounds very interesting!
They have got WM6.1 Professional ported to the Wings from the Kizer in the Wings forum, maybe that's the place to ask for advice in porting WM6.1 Professional to the Vox http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389089
Roland
Pro..
Keep cool, i am not finished with this...and there are no helpfull posts within...
But how do you think to use it without touchscreen?
It will be far from user friendly...
Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
I really hope you get it working sounds great.
especially since I miss one major feature in wm6(.1) standard: WIFI proxy.
it's not possible (as far as I know) to use an http proxy on your wifi connection.. which is a pitty.
if you get it working, I'll most likely install it
arpy said:
Oh my...believe me, it is useable.
First;
A POCKET PC IS NOT ONLY HIS TOUCHSCREEN!!!
AND A SMARTPHONE IS NOT ONLY A POCKETCAMERA....or anything else than a SmartPhone.
The PRO OS works well on SP, the OS is nearly useable like Standart, (no big differences, you can navigate with dpad+softkeys on ppc, too...)
It is like a PPC with the lack of a Touchscreen, you can carry most of the PPC apps you love,but not be able to install on your Standart-SP...
Most SP-Apps wont install,because there are differences in some Cab-Configs, but most of them works well......and the VOX/WINGS got a qwerty/z Keypad...ideal to use as SIP..
Ive a StarTrak and a Tornado, both are running PRO, i like it, sure, its not useable like a PPC with Touchscreen, but nice to have.
AND DONT FORGET;Smartphones are mostly similar with the PPCHardware (exept the Touchscreen, stop buggin me)
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There is also Fake Curser that will do the job of the stylus/ finger on a touch screen to close apps and to change to different tabs in apps.
This sounds very prommising if it can be pulled off.
Rioland
You should be able to boot a Professional from the HTC Wizard since they have the very same hardware, but I don't know if the lcd driver would work.
Anyway, you should know, the Omap 850 cpu has native support for touchscreen, if you can find where the pins connect, you could possibly adapt it (assuming you can find a 2.4" 4 wire touch panel).
Another option would be using the mini-usb jack. The cpu has both client and host side usb support. If it's mapped to the connector, and you can make windows put the usb in host mode you can connect a mouse, touchscreen or whatever you want and use it from there (if you get external power to the device you are connecting)
My vox is still under repair (3rd week already) so cannot test anything yet sorry
i would love to try it...
How long will it be until we see the first test version of this ROM?
Roland