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i am sure you have all read the news.... google sending cyanogen a cease and desist order
http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/
please cast ur vote in this thread as a petition
for anyone who doesnt quite get it, google is threatening the future of custom ROM development...not just cyanogens ROMs
you wanna keep using ur favorite custom ROM? let google know they cant push these guys around
although they cant stop us making roms, they want us to stop including google propriatory apps
Where's the 3rd option for wait and see? Google has every right to do this however that doesn't make it any less ****ty.
a bit late now, cant edit polls i dont think....
anyway, kinda takes away from the impact
I don't think they can do anything about it, they don't know where he lives.
Wow thats great. Cyanogen and devs like him are what are keeping android relevant. Shut down the devs and I for one will go back to winmo.
Won't this affect all devs?
Won't this affect all roms?
If this scenario plays out, we will have a mess on our hands.
Why did the even bother to issue and distribute developer phones?
Maybe I just don't understand.
Maemo 5 is looking better and better. Thanks a lot Google.
This is ridiculous! D:
Google......the new Apple!!
cyanogen has gave everyone something lets show some support
My Google Experience
Sucked!!!!! Not long ago Google and Tmobile sold me a piece of S#!T, that was slow only hold about 20 good apps. I was ready to throw it out the window under a moving bus!!!!! Cyanogen is the only person that made to keep this phone, but if no more usable ROMS, that Nokia N900 is looking real nice about now,or even the palm pre, i guess its time to start saving $ again
wow wtf man. cyan and every other dev really did make android way better then what thery have right now. having root on your android makes using it so much easier. and! all the devs made htc and googles dev's work way better. i think there just jelous becuase they didnt push it earlier. also why didnt they stop haykuro when he was working on 1.5, damn man. lol cyan should make another sn and release it under there and says with help from cyanogen.
open source my a$$.
cyanogen made me rethink the possibilities on my G1, if google follows through with this... dare i say it... ugh I WILL GO TO AN I PHONE.. barrrfffffffff
but i will cause seriously Cyanogen is a genius, they need to hire him to train their own dev's cause their **** aint got nuthin on cyanogen's roms
Didn't google promise us open source well this goes against it in every way
If it is such a big issues than offer those closed source apps on the market and cyan can pull them out of his roms. Problem solved
If google proceeds in this direction, then i forsee android tanking
Every one here is either using something from cyan or has at some point
Wow what a douche move google. The only thing that will end here is probably the busy android dev section. There will always be developing going on forums that allow illegal activity.
We will always have hacked roms . We will just have to move to a new forum unless xda changes there ways.
Anyways looks like some one is jealous of cyans killer skills
They have absolutely no right to do this. Every bit (no pun intended) of the computing world should be open source. Anyone whom feels otherwise is part of the problem and an enemy to knowledge and free thought. An individual whom takes part in the suppression of knowledge is guilty of the highest crimes of humanity, and should be punished justly.
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Wow thats great. Cyanogen and devs like him are what are keeping android relevant. Shut down the devs and I for one will go back to winmo.
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Yeah if Google follows through I'm getting the TouchPro 2 and forget about Android. G1 and Android is nothing without custom roms to me.
im amazed we had a vote for "no"
any member of these forums must realize the bigger picture with this....
about 30,000 installs of the CM-Updater cant be lying.....people love and NEED these roms....
While they do have the "right" to do this, it will not benefit them...
If it is the closed source bits that are the issue, then they are essentially saying it's ok to release a rom with every google app removed (no gmail, no maps, no youtube, etc.)
Do they not want their customers to use their services? Do they want me to use a yahoo email account? Do they want me to use mapquest? I fail to see how that would be to their benefit.
If they don't like him releasing these roms then they should do better themselves so devs wouldn't have to release them! Step it up google. I dare you to outdo Cyanogen. I double dog dare you!
Some Devs need to make open-source replacement apps for the one's Google's making a stink about... then Cyan won't have any problems.
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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There is a similiar Thread already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572788
this is not a development topic. this belongs in q&a
We ARE working together, but we want to create ROMs for different purposes.
'ultimate' is pretty subjective.
it's easy to see all the different, seemingly random threads about different roms and mods and assume there's no teamwork involved, but really, it's just different people trying different things and when one works well most others adapt it. otherwise, everyone has a different 'ideal rom' anyways.
it's a fairly darwinian approach, but it works pretty well. you COULD try to get everyone to organize and work on one idea, but i think we can save that for companies like htc, motorola, huawei, samsung, google, etc.
besides, anyone who follows this or other android dev sites for more than a couple weeks knows which devs to kep an eye on.
what i feel is the ultimate rom, you don't think is the ultimate rom...
the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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And I like fast and feature heavy. Best of everything. :-D
All of your responses is exactly what I mean... Lets say for example, the devs focused on the fastest, most stable and lightest rom as a base. then moved on a way to easily create or modify a theme.
from there, we could move on to different versions... like a hero or blur, etc.
ultimately, every user is going to pick there favorite programs, so maybe we develop a way to easily choose which programs you want included before you flash the rom and voila...
i mean, im sure im making this sound easier than it might be, but with clear and open communication/ exchanging ideas and coming to a reasonable base... the possibilities are endless.
users could focus on the aesthetics like icons, themes, widgets, etc.
ALL WE NEED IS A SOLID BASE...
sure, there are some talented individuals accomplishing this on their own and thats all fine and understandable. I just know that with the power of many over one... a lot more could be accomplished easier, more deliberately and effectively.
Each dev could have a specialty that they focus on...
1. Themes
2. Troubleshooting
3. Speed/ Framework
4. Battery Life
5. The list goes on...
Create an FTP for everyone to access and we could show Google exactly what theyve been hoping for... which is developers alike coming together for the greater good... again, this is just my opinion, but im glad ppl are leaving their input
and with the choosing of apps example... my idea is, if there were a lite version and an ftp or somewhere to host a list of signed apks that you could choose via checkmark, click download and it would automatically save them to a special folder on the sd card. then, the lite version could have a script that auto runs during the initial boot to install directly from this folder on the sd card.
I guess im just trying to create simplicity for the newbs and the devs or veterans that have been on the site and are tired of flaming or answering the same question.
I say, we streamline this process, create simplicity through orginization and leave more room for progress...
Ok, well thats all i have for now... I mean, I have a lot more ideas, but we'll see where this goes...
It's HTC / Google's fault for releasing different models of the same phone, as most blog publishers are oblivious to the difference and post news under the *insert adverb here* title 'htc magic donut'
Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
Michaelr219 said:
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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LOL... thank God for the internet. Id read some of the debates youve had in other threads and they got me laughing. Im on the fence, because Im not one to take sides, but not only are you funny... but I actually agree with you on this. I mean, just one thread above me I have some guy telling me that I dont know what Im talking about. For one, Im not claiming to know all there is to know about these phones... or Id be working for Google making the big bucks... and two, he only reiterated things Id already disclaimed.
I didnt start this thread to get flamed, but opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
I realize that most of my ideas wont see the light of day, because without the cash or proper credit, people wont work together unless they "get theirs"
A lot of these devs work their @$$es off and receive "tips" or donations purely because they love what they do and I respect that sincerely.
However, the idea that working "together" to create the ULTIMATE rom is possible. Devs asking for tips, help, or using work that one already accomplished isnt what im referring to. It would take moderators, coordinators, infrastructure, hierarchy, etc... To those that see the light of what im talking about, thank you... to the rest, thanks anyway
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Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
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Read my words carefully... I am aware of what has gone on here on this site. I acknowledged that a lot of developers work well together. Unlike you, im not giving specific credit to any one or two individuals. We all know who has hit the brick and mortar with the foundations that have been set. A lot of those individuals communicate regularly.
I was nearly drawing into the fact that with technology, they could all (those who are willing, of course) conference regularly, establish agendas, specific tasks, and create a template. One that has been re-worked inside and out by each of their hands till there isnt any input that one individually could produce. From there, the focus objective could be the bigger picture like compatible themes, updates, easier installs, more features, etc.
I know im repeating myself to a degree, but I want to make sure the image is clear. There are a lot of devs doing the same thing, for some of the same reasons. But us users all come here for the SAME reason. To take our toy/ pride and joy/ project/ whatever you wanna call it... to the next level. To make it better than it was out of the box, to see the realms that it is truely capable of.
So rather than seeing some devs running into similar problems with their roms individually or simultaneously... One of two things would happen, either A: Solve it immediately once and for all or B: Catch the bug before it was even released. Hopefully my words inspire some of you. If not, keep up the great work.
Lol - cracking read
I've been a member of XDA Forums since about October (when I got my vibrant). And I wad wondering how to become a developer. I feel like I should help contribute to this community instead of just being someone downloading and flashing. Im planning on majoring in computer science in college and I know it will help me with this type of stuff but I cant wait another year (Junior in high school)... I would really appreciate it if you guys would point me in the right direction or take me under your wing so I could pursue this interest.
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I've been a member of XDA Forums since about October (when I got my vibrant). And I wad wondering how to become a developer. I feel like I should help contribute to this community instead of just being someone downloading and flashing. Im planning on majoring in computer science in college and I know it will help me with this type of stuff but I cant wait another year (Junior in high school)... I would really appreciate it if you guys would point me in the right direction or take me under your wing so I could pursue this interest.
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I'm doing computer science also to become a dev, I'm a senior! I have no idea, but I would love to dev also, I know it takes a lot of work though.
Step 1 - cut a hole in the box
step 2 - put your junk in the box
step 3 - make her open the box
step 4 - and that's how you do it (its my d$#* in a box)
haha naw i'm jk, I would like a clear way on how to dev specifically for the vibrant, I've seen a bunch of different ideas and tutorials on how to do it, but their specific for that phone, and its hard to comprehend on how to put the knowledge to the vibrant
Yea I know its alot of hard work but it will all pay off in the end.
I think it would be nice if one of the vibrant developers put up a video of how to become a developer and a video of him/her cooking up a rom. Im sure alot of people would take intrest to that. It would also give us enough knowledge to maybe be able to develop other phones or programs.
Learn your way around a linux box as it's pretty much necessary to compile source and what not. If you're wanting to develop programs for Android, learn some Java...
there's a few good e-books on amazon for android developing if you can learn from books.
I think you should start out with themes....so you know exactly which apks control what...which XMLs control what...then get some Linux knowledge so you can know how to tweak for speed....then start to learn some Java and Smali code....and do a sh*t load of research....i tried to create my own ROM based from official Vibrant source....MAJOR FAIL ...i think my phone went into shock ....but find someone who is willing to teach you...but make sure you're patient enough to learn.
Due to the nature of vibrant roms anyone can be a developer! That's a good and bad thing. Anyways... best way to learn is to learn Java. Android is built on it. It may not loom like it on the surface but it helps (ask whitehawk). Mr apocalypse's advice is probably the best.
Also a video is a horrible idea(no offense). It will empower people who have no business making roms to make them. Do you want people who don't know how to make a flashable zip making roms for your phone? It could potentially lead to bad things...
I was where you were a couple years ago (not that I'm much further ahead). Learn you some Linux. Learn you some theming and try and make a simple app for android.
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Hi. Sorry if this is in the wrong section. Please delete if so. I was just curious about the possibility of porting Meego to the Droid Charge. I found this list of Meego porting projects (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2414), and apparently there's even one for Hummingbird SoC-using phones (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird).
I don't mean to start a flame war or annoy anyone or anything. I'm just interested in the possibility of a dual-boot setup. Does anyone with experience know if such a port would be possible? And if so, whether there's any coders who are interested?
We don't even have vanilla android available, and you'd rather have people work on a completely different OS? Not saying it's wrong, but wouldn't you rather have vanilla android before someone goes off and ports a completely different OS that is even more likely to never work?
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We don't even have vanilla android available, and you'd rather have people work on a completely different OS? Not saying it's wrong, but wouldn't you rather have vanilla android before someone goes off and ports a completely different OS that is even more likely to never work?
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Lol I should have clarified that I meant after ICS is done. I wanted to keep the post short. Sorry about that.
My feeling is that Google is intent on standardizing all their devices on ICS, so it will be a very long while before anyone has to worry about Jelly Bean coming out. In fact I suspect it will be a full year. So in the lull instead of developers getting bored and moving on to other devices I was hoping someone would be up to the challenge of porting MeeGo.
Just wanted to plan the seed of idea, and let it sprout or wither on its own.
I'll be straight with you guys. I don't know SQUAT about Android's innards, but I don't want to let the SK die. I heard its source was released, making AOSP compiling a possibility, albeit a farfetched one. I could kang and tweak and maybe even make the next Glorious Overdose, if I wanted to, but I'd rather push the envelope. Can somebody point me in the right direction? And does anybody want to jump on board? I figured I'd start where it all began; the ADP1. If I can get a good look at that, maybe I can get a rudimentary grasp of AOSP compiling with the phone's source code and start toying with the SK4G and eventually shoehorn AOSP froyo onto it and build from there, maybe eventually get us some Jelly Bean lovin'. I don't know about anybody else, but until a quad-core exynos with a sidekick qwerty is released, I'm not letting this little gem go and let's face it, manufacturers don't give a sloppy **** about our kind, forgive my French. That said, I do have a life, so this won't be an overnight thing. However, I'm going to take the fate of this dying phone into my own hands if I can. So... I'm gonna call out some people who I think could do us some good, as long as there's no bickering. PM me if anybody, especially the following, are interested. And of course, I'll be willing to flash test builds.
Reactivedisorder
Sduvick
Trunks
Reviewers
Ayoteddy
Jin1337... I know you all hate him, but he genuinely cares about this device and knows a little. Believe it or not, my phone is running IcyBlaze 4.6 and it's stable and screamin'.
Like I said, NO BICKERING. I'll back down and do this alone if people start fighting like grade school kids. 90 percent of the people on this board are adults and if we put our heads together and act our age, we can bring this phone back to life and maybe even surpass the HD2.
Sent from Dexter, the Amazing Sidekick 4G! He's diggin' IcyBlaze 4.6 right now.
Get a reasonable goal that makes sense for this device. Newer versions of the OS are resource hungry and won't offer much that is new or useful.
I suggest trying to simply port stock Froyo.
Anyhow, good luck. Start by setting up a 64 bit Linux machine. If you want to look at the AOSP and CM7 trainwrecks, they are on github.
Pardon me for doubting you, but all the information to get started is on xda already. Hit the search.