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Raphael - USB Host?

I am wondering whether or not the Raphael has USB Host functionality? I read this on some internet sites, but searching the Wiki and other avaliable informative websites couldn't bring light to this issue. I know that HTCs ExtUSB only is a proprietary connector, enhancing the USB Port with audio and video functionality. This is not what I'm talking about!
Host USB allows devices to act as an USB host (like a computer) and as such access USB-Devices like harddrives or USB sticks, which is more than convinient. As some other Pocket PC have it, I'm hoping deeply my future playmate has it also.
Maybe some of the lucky users could verify?
Thanks!

Doesn't look like it'll have any host facility no. The only HTC device ive seen with host are the bigger HTC Advantage's which have a normal USB port. I dont think the Qualcomm chipset offers USB host either.

This would be a nice thing to have...
I am still owner of a PocketLoox 720 which is capable of accessing USB sticks and USB HD.

It'd be nice. But I guess it would eat the battery.
I think I saw somewhere a USB bluetooth thingy that enables you to read USB sticks via Bluetooth.

well to be precise both the diamond and raphael have some interesting host ability - in SPL you can set usb host to read NBH file off usb. however you need the right adapter cable, so I haven't tried that yet on the diamond (and no raphael yet).

cmonex said:
well to be precise both the diamond and raphael have some interesting host ability - in SPL you can set usb host to read NBH file off usb. however you need the right adapter cable, so I haven't tried that yet on the diamond (and no raphael yet).
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What an interesting feature... Maybe it's for service centres to unbrick warranty returns easily?
Rory

cmonex said:
well to be precise both the diamond and raphael have some interesting host ability - in SPL you can set usb host to read NBH file off usb. however you need the right adapter cable, so I haven't tried that yet on the diamond (and no raphael yet).
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Have you tried with the Athena USB host cable?

Pantaloonie said:
Have you tried with the Athena USB host cable?
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oh hmm. does that cable plug in the miniusb port of the athena?

cmonex said:
oh hmm. does that cable plug in the miniusb port of the athena?
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Yes it does, I was hoping it would work with the Diamond and Raphael.

Pantaloonie said:
Yes it does, I was hoping it would work with the Diamond and Raphael.
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mm, thought it plugged in the other port on the athena...because it also handles vga out (the 4 in 1 cable). and this other port (beside the miniusb sync port) has the icons vga out and usb host.
that is clearly not the same socket as the miniusb (i.e. the sync port).
the diamond & raphael unfortunately only have this miniusb (which is for the sync on athena).

You're right - It's been so long since I used the USB host on the Athena I'd forgotten which port it uses.
Back to the drawing board on that one I guess.

Pantaloonie said:
You're right - It's been so long since I used the USB host on the Athena I'd forgotten which port it uses.
Back to the drawing board on that one I guess.
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yeah, I also have the 4 in 1 somewhere in the drawer
I only got it to have all cool accessories for my Athena.
anyway, I'll update the thread if I find out more about the cable needed for diamond/raphael

I read in the Diamond service manual (foeund somewhere on the forum here) about using an USB SD-card reader on the sync port on the Diamond. It is used when servicing the phone to upload firmware and test software to the internal storage.
On the picture it looks just like a normal sd card reader that is plugged into a standard USB port on one of the ends on the cable. it is a Y cable where one end is power, one USB and one mini usb to plug in the phone.
I am just doing some tests on this now. I made a usb cable with mini usb in one end and normal usb in the other end. On the on ememstick I have here in the office nothing happens.I will continue to look into this matter.

holy moses. I got something working here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to rebuild my cable a little bit here to get this working.
The new external USB port is now powered from a 5Volts source. I have cut the 5 volts connection between my Diamond and my USB memory.
I am using a standard USB flash memory which i got at some commercial stuff long time ago.
I formatted the USB stick to FAT32 on my computer first.
The thing I tried was:
downloade a custom firmware.
copied the xxx.nbh file to the flash
renamed it to "DIAMIMG.NBH" Capital letters!!
Started up the phone holding VOLUME DOWN and RIGHT button down while giving the power button a short push.
It fired up the Olimex boot scene and asked me to push power button to confirm flashing.
After that it flashed my phone for about 10 minutes (from the USB flash memory)
So there is NO DOUBT, the Diamond has USB master capabilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I am in file explorer I still can't get in contact with the memory.
Anyone that has the USB drivers from som larger HTC device????
Can anyone try to flash a phone with an un signed firmware or a firmware from wrong region on a phone that has the original bootloader using this method?

Does anyone know how to use external memory by usb hosting

zeb crs said:
holy moses. I got something working here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to rebuild my cable a little bit here to get this working.
The new external USB port is now powered from a 5Volts source. I have cut the 5 volts connection between my Diamond and my USB memory.
I am using a standard USB flash memory which i got at some commercial stuff long time ago.
I formatted the USB stick to FAT32 on my computer first.
The thing I tried was:
downloade a custom firmware.
copied the xxx.nbh file to the flash
renamed it to "DIAMIMG.NBH" Capital letters!!
Started up the phone holding VOLUME DOWN and RIGHT button down while giving the power button a short push.
It fired up the Olimex boot scene and asked me to push power button to confirm flashing.
After that it flashed my phone for about 10 minutes (from the USB flash memory)
So there is NO DOUBT, the Diamond has USB master capabilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I am in file explorer I still can't get in contact with the memory.
Anyone that has the USB drivers from som larger HTC device????
Can anyone try to flash a phone with an un signed firmware or a firmware from wrong region on a phone that has the original bootloader using this method?
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heh, you were faster at building the cable congrats.
btw, what special modifications did you need to make? just the 5V source?
anyway, this just confirms what i found in bootloader disassembly then.
not sure on the availability of usb host drivers. maybe we will need to implement it ourselves
and sorry, but i do not understand the question about flashing unsigned stuff. the stock bootloader will not accept unsigned NBH, no matter where it comes from, sorry to disappoint you.
EDIT: I downloaded the service manual now, thanks. wasn't aware this was out in the open
anyway, the text mentions you must plug in AC power for the USB host. what a shame.

zeb crs said:
When I am in file explorer I still can't get in contact with the memory.
Anyone that has the USB drivers from som larger HTC device????
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Just an idea, have you tried to start WM5torage on Diamond ?
It lists the MovieNAND and the system partition. OK, you can't take access to it, but maybe WM5torage recognizes the USB stick from OS.
If it does, maybe a modified version of WM5torage can do these job ?
For short test download here:
WM5torage
Ok, WM5torage isn't the right way to test the access from OS, because it needs at last a running driver.
Qualcomm was running Oxford Semiconductor solutions, maybe the integrated USB OTG is a license from this company ?
@cmonex:
Is it possible to adapt the integrated bootloader driver to WM ?

USB drive is HTC supported
I just read through the US user manual and Section 1.13 Using you Device as a USB Drive. http://member.america.htc.com/downl...al/HTC_Touch_Pro/HTC_Touch_Pro_English_UM.pdf
Quote:
To easily carry media and other files with you, you can use your device’s storage
card as a USB flash drive. Touch Start > Settings > Connections tab > USB to PC
and then select Disk Drive mode. This allows you to copy files from your computer
to the device’s storage card and vice versa faster.
Note You need to have a storage card installed on your device to be able to use your device
as a disk drive.
When Disk Drive mode is used:
You will not be able to use your device to access files from the storage card
or run applications that are installed on the storage card while the device is
connected to your PC.
Your PC will only connect to the device’s storage card. When you access your
device from the PC, you will only see the contents of the device’s storage card.
Remember to change back to ActiveSync mode when you need to synchronize
data between your device and your PC.

USB Host is different.

Mechanicaldan said:
I just read through the US user manual and Section 1.13 Using you Device as a USB Drive. http://member.america.htc.com/downl...al/HTC_Touch_Pro/HTC_Touch_Pro_English_UM.pdf
Quote:
To easily carry media and other files with you, you can use your device’s storage
card as a USB flash drive. Touch Start > Settings > Connections tab > USB to PC
and then select Disk Drive mode. This allows you to copy files from your computer
to the device’s storage card and vice versa faster.
Note You need to have a storage card installed on your device to be able to use your device
as a disk drive.
When Disk Drive mode is used:
You will not be able to use your device to access files from the storage card
or run applications that are installed on the storage card while the device is
connected to your PC.
Your PC will only connect to the device’s storage card. When you access your
device from the PC, you will only see the contents of the device’s storage card.
Remember to change back to ActiveSync mode when you need to synchronize
data between your device and your PC.
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Sorry to dissapoint you, but this is just the other way arround. This enables you to use your phone as a flash drive from a PC. In this thread they want to access a flash drive (USB stick/HD etc) from their phone

Using the Raphael as a regular microSD reader?

Sorry if I haven't look hard enough, but is it possible to se my Sprint Touch Pro as a regular microSD reader? You know, without using any of the synchronization business or having to carry a separate microSD reader around? Thanks in advance.

Mega-Japan said:
Sorry if I haven't look hard enough, but is it possible to se my Sprint Touch Pro as a regular microSD reader? You know, without using any of the synchronization business or having to carry a separate microSD reader around? Thanks in advance.
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yes, when you plug in the usb cable to your pc with the micro sd in the phone, instead of activesync, select disk drive as the connection choice

fugazzi69 said:
yes, when you plug in the usb cable to your pc with the micro sd in the phone, instead of activesync, select disk drive as the connection choice
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Where do I get that choice though? I'm asking this because I want to use it that way at College, and all PCs there limit just about anything but whatever programs they have.

Mega-Japan said:
Where do I get that choice though? I'm asking this because I want to use it that way at College, and all PCs there limit just about anything but whatever programs they have.
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those options should pop up on your phone's screen when you plug in the usb cable to the PC. just make sure you have the micro sd card installed on the phone when you connect to the PC

fugazzi69 said:
those options should pop up on your phone's screen when you plug in the usb cable to the PC. just make sure you have the micro sd card installed on the phone when you connect to the PC
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Oh now I see.
The reason I had no idea what was it that you were talking about is because the "Ask about connection type when I connect" option in the Connections Settings was unchecked. And ActiveSynch was selected as the default.
Thanks a lot, useful stuff.

[Q] Help me,

Good, you have to forgive my ignorance but is that after several minutes did not find what I'm going to ask:
Windowsph7 exists in a file browser to enter the memory card?
As I can copy music files to your ?
The USB connection allows me to connect to your board and explore ?
All this I ask because when I connect the phone to the pc does not show anything like the memory card.
Thanks

xxdelgado said:
Good, you have to forgive my ignorance but is that after several minutes did not find what I'm going to ask:
Windowsph7 exists in a file browser to enter the memory card?
As I can copy music files to your ?
The USB connection allows me to connect to your board and explore ?
All this I ask because when I connect the phone to the pc does not show anything like the memory card.
Thanks
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WP7 isn't meant to be able to use the memory card as an external drive. It is solely used for the system. Think of the card as WP7's internal memory where the OS is stored. That's a bit simplistic, but you'll get the picture. The memory card isn't meant to be removed either. If you remove it, you will screw up the system. In simple words, WP7 doesn't have expandable memory. Forget the card. Forget all about it. You can't use it like a device that has a card slot for removing and so forth.

The question was not exactly that, it must be my English is very bad I want to copy some songs I have on my harddrive, you can not copy directly from the cable "?

No yu have to connect and sync through Zune, works well that way.

xxdelgado said:
The question was not exactly that, it must be my English is very bad I want to copy some songs I have on my harddrive, you can not copy directly from the cable "?
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No, like the iPhone and iTunes software/hardware management, WP7 uses Zune to copy anything compatible to the device. And you can't select where on the device to copy it to. Meaning, you can't choose to copy anything to the card.

Perfect I've installed, all very well, now the problem is that I said that no device is connected, tells me to restart the device I have connected and reconnected, I've done it several times but still not working. Has this happened to someone "?
Thank you very much, you are a expert, I used my Windows Mobile 6.5

when you connect your phone via cable to the pc does it make that sound to show that a device has been connected?
if not, try other usb ports. it should come up in the notification area (aka system tray) that a device can be unplugged.

No, I have this problem ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-816935.html
But this does not resolve what you put in the Microsoft article, I tried it on two PCs but does not work, can not connect. Someone has solved another way "?

[Q] Getting pics from phone to computer

Hi folks, please excuse my ignorance as I am not a regular user of my phone for anything other than calling home and asking my wife if I need to pic up anything from the store before I come home from work ect...
I have some pictures on my phone that I would like to put on my computer so I can print them out. I am using a Samsung Captivate. I am so unfamiliar with most of the terms used here I am not even sure what to look for under a search. Would someone mind helping me please? Thank you in advance and if you happen to have a problem with your air conditioner I can be of help with that in return.

Hi knownot,
you can connect your phone via USB cable to your Computer.
Fortunately, Android devices are considered (by computer) as external hard disks so you can easily browse folders and copy your pictures to your PC.
I apologise for my bad english

dublade said:
Hi knownot,
you can connect your phone via USB cable to your Computer.
Fortunately, Android devices are considered (by computer) as external hard disks so you can easily browse folders and copy your pictures to your PC.
I apologise for my bad english
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It views as an HDD? mine shows up as a camera

normally if you connect your phone to your computer there should be something in the statusbar of your phone like USB-connection. click on that and now you can choose to connect as hdd.

Once you have the phone connected as a drive, on my phone the pictures are in the dcim/camera folder. Find that and copy and paste to your computer.

Detected as camera probably fine too, it should offer an import option.
Alternatively there are apps like dropbox, that if you use them on your phone and on your computer, it will automaticly upload the pictures to your computer whenever your phone connects to your homes wifi.
Or just mail them to yourself, the access the mails from your computer.

You also might type into youtube "samsung captivate usb mount" and You will find a video tutorial.

Or you can use Samsung Kies. It's a program for Windows or Mac to sync your data.

85gallon said:
Once you have the phone connected as a drive, on my phone the pictures are in the dcim/camera folder. Find that and copy and paste to your computer.
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First, use your USB cable to plug your phone into your computer. If you're not sure what the USB cable is, it's the black cord that came with your phone. It's probably plugged into your phone charger; unplug the cord from the charger and use that to plug the phone into the computer.
Then, on your phone, open the notifications menu at the top of the screen by swiping down. Click the button that says "USB connected" (or something similar) and choose the option that says "USB storage" (or something similar). Then your computer should say "Installing driver software" and then "Your device is ready to use."
An "Autoplay" window will probably pop up. You can choose "open folder to view files." Double click on the "DCIM" folder, double click on a folder inside there (it will probably be "Camera" or something), and you should see all of your pictures.

Google can be your friend, well for atleast the first 15 mins..

Often you have to select USB storage or something like that in order to enable your phone as a hd. that will mess with your apps when it is connected because it mounts the SD card etc on your PC, so it is usually not enabled by default.
Pull down the notifications bar, click on the USB connected link, select the appropriate action.
Enjoy.

Thanks for the tips folks. I am sure with your help I will finally figure this out. I had already tried sending my self an e-mail but I never got it. Tried connecting to computer with the cord and the notifications bar will not pull down. It just shows the connection thingy on the screen but I cant do anything with the phone while it is connected. Thanks again for your help. Its very much appreciated.

if it's not too many photos I usually just email them to myself and open it up on my computer

I did a google search and found this post showing step by step what to do as I don't have a captivate and each phone can differ.
forums.att.com/t5/Samsung/Samsung-Captivate-transferring-videos-and-photos-to-PC/td-p/2683255
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk

Thanks for the input. Have tried your suggestions and have come to the conclusion there is something out of whack with the phone. Going by AT&T tomorrow to see about it. Thanks again!

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an alternative method is;
be sure that your photos are stored in SD card.
remove your SD card and connect it to your laptop's SD card reader (you should have a micro SD - SD adaptor).
copy them to your laptop.
I hope it helps.

Anyone problems connecting smartphone ?

Hi,
Wondering if anyone has problems connecting a smartphone ? When trying to connect to the usb port of the dock on TF700T my Sony Xperia S is not recognized, no message appears that "mass storage device" or "usb device is being prepared".
kind regards,

What Android version is your phone running?

Once my phone was in USB connect mode, I had to go to the transformer settings > storage and then scroll down to the bottom and select the option to mount the mass storage device.

MartyHulskemper said:
What Android version is your phone running?
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Currently running version 4.0.4
kind regards,

GaryParr said:
Once my phone was in USB connect mode, I had to go to the transformer settings > storage and then scroll down to the bottom and select the option to mount the mass storage device.
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Doesn't work for me, there is no available device to mount, there is no sign it is even connected in usb mode,my phone simply isn't recognized for some reason.
kind regards,

profiler270 said:
Doesn't work for me, there is no available device to mount, there is no sign it is even connected in usb mode,my phone simply isn't recognized for some reason.
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I never saw any pop-ups or notifications in the status bar either. My first thought was that the device didn't know my phone was attached. I had to do some google-fu before I found the suggestion that, even though you don't see any notifications, to look at the storage settings anyway. Very strange that nothing is showing up for you. This might seem odd, but would you happen to have a USB hub you could run through? Try connecting the phone to the hub in storage mode, then connecting the hub to the transformer.

I can confirm that I did not have any notification either. My phone however detect the USB plug and I could activate USB mass storage on its side.
Then i needed to manually mount the external storage in settings. This done, I have access to the external SD card of the phone but not to the internal one.

Dehele said:
This done, I have access to the external SD card of the phone but not to the internal one.
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Besides the fact i can't seem to connect it, that would be a problem also, because with the Sony Xperia S there is no SD card slot available for external memory, only 32GB of internal memory.
kind regards,

Not quite satisfied by my first test, I have made it again. With the two cards in the phone I can only access the external one. So I retreave the external card out of the phone and renew the test. this time, I can access the internal card.
So it seems that i can only see one card at a time, even if I need to mount it manually.
In any case if you have only one card, you should be able to access it.