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I love my Galaxy S, but this is a bit disappointing.
I was hoping for something that would push the bar - like a 4" Super AMOLED with a dual-core processor or something nuts like the N1 was over it's generation.
On the bright side, it does show that the Android lineup is a lot stronger than it was before.
it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
Yeah... I'm hoping this means we'll actually get timely updates in the future.
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it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
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This. This could be the single best thing if the ROMs can be easily ported and Google is in charge of software updates like they were with the Nexus One.
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this is one of the worst ... i dont know if i should even call it an article, but just so we can reference to it properly we will.
first, googles nexus one was very innovative, it showed a real and true glimpse into the future. for the second one there is no way they will take a step back and use some current hardware that has already been out for a while.
this is my opinion of what i believe is in the best interest of google.
so to pick on the article a little bit.
they keep refering back to the galaxy s line, which according to the "article" the only thing that was similar between them was how they looked, it says specifically that they had no idea what it had inside of it lol.
it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article.... omnomnomnom
I agree whole-heartedly.
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that's all i can think about right now .
galaxy s with AOSP gingerbread and google rolling out updates every month? amazing.
If the Nexus 2 is a rebadged and tweaked Galaxy S, then we have just been handed a great gift. Google and a significant portion of the android developer community will move on to our platform, and will tweak the device to their hearts desire. This means we will be at the front of the line to get any updates. And almost all new software will be compatible to our phones. Won't we love to be in the news as one of the first phones to get Gingerbread, Honeycomb, and IceCream, rather that the last ones to get Froyo.
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it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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My question is how the heck can you not be sure if you're looking at an oled screen??
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I can usually tell within the first second of looking at a screen if it's oled or not... if you don't believe me try putting an iphone and a 'real' phone like the N1 or the captivate side by side, then have them play the same video.
this should end the GPS debate as well. if the nexus two uses our chip, we'll either get a soft fix or we'll know our hardware is defective. if it uses a different chip, we know ours is broken forever.
More info/confirmation from PCMag. Too bad no confirmation on the hardware part; other than how it looks...
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yes, Samsung is working on an unlocked Android device that looks like the one in Gizmodo's pictures. But it may not be called "Nexus Two," my sources said.
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
Wish that they stuck with the Nexus 1 hardware and tweaked it. I love my phone... but why google is using Samsung is beyond me.
I wonder if Google did ANY research before signing the deal on this? Obviously they never looked on GOOGLE for issues with Samsung Galaxy S devices. Their marketing team should be drawn and quartered.
But... with all that being said - if Samsung is just pumping out the hardware and Google is the one providing the software without Sammy's thumb in the pie - it might be a halfway decent device.
Also.. was the lil tabby thing sticking out from the bottom of the phone?
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
We won't know until it is released and the custom ROM developers can get their hands on the source.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I understand and do own a cappy, but that would take time and I dont like to wait.
When I had my N1 before I played with my brothers Captivate there was no wait for a new ROM and I loved it. Unfortunately, the N1 was slow compared to the Captivate and I switched.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
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Keyboard? Nothing I've read on this rumored handset says anything about it including a hardware keyboard (if that's indeed what you're implying)... Have you read something I haven't?
Just speculation but maybe this is why samsung is taking their sweet time getting froyo out. Possibly getting gingerbread ready for this and other galaxy s devices?
I was perfectly ready to leave the Android platform for WP7. Either for a Nokia Lumia 900 or HTC Titan II.
But with the release of the Samsung Galaxy S3, I'm kinda being lured back to Android.
Anyone in this kind of predicament? And if so... Any advice?
I'm currently using a HTC Desire. But by now it's very outdated, slow and likes to crash lately.
I really like the design of WP7 but I think it's no alternative to Android. Just think about the possibilities to customize ur system. I really need something new once in a while.
But the design of the SGS3 does not really satisfy me. I really don't like these plastic cases...
IMHO if you were about to jump ship the GS3 shouldn't really make you change your mind. It's definitely not a game changer. Sure it's a good phone, but if I still had my GS2 I wouldn't upgrade yet. If I'll ever go back to Android it will be for no less than a Cortex-a15 and an edge to edge SAMOLED+ HD. If I were you I'd get a Lumia 900 while I wait for the GS4, or even for the iPhone 5 or 6. At least you'll have the chance to try WP for a good while, and if you like it you may also consider getting an Apollo device when they come out. I'm very likely to go for this option, I've been pretty happy with WP7 in the last 5 months. No matter how hard I try, I can't really keep a phone for more than a year, I get bored easily I guess
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Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
just my 2 cents.. (who cares right?)
Just purchase a used GS2, you have a Desire and you may keep your next device for a long time.
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Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
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Honestly I don't mind "forcing" an update from time to time. Also, people should start to understand that once that a new version of the software comes out your phone won't brick itself. I mean, if I had an ICS device now I probably won't give a damn about JB when it comes out. ICS is pretty much a full experience, JB will definitely be a minor update, like 2.2 to 2.3. Anyway I must say that I feel pretty much like you. Toying with the phone all day can be fun for a while, but once you're not a teen with nothing to do anymore you may wanna have a phone that just works with no gimmicks. That's why I'm happy with WP7 now. I'm still a nerd tho, don't get me wrong: I'm getting an Android tablet as soon as a good one comes out (Exynos quad please), but basically just for fun. As to my PHONE it's all a different kind of business right now, if you get what I mean
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zone23 said:
Its not always about being able to customize your phone. Sometimes its just about being able to USE your phone. I must be getting old because working on android is starting to get boring. Is the Beta test over? I think when people say customize what they are really saying is updating to the latest version of Android because the manufactures aren't doing it. Why should we have to do something that is somewhat expected of the phone manufactures? I'm still waiting on official ICS for my Xoom and Rezound. One thing you can say about WP and iPhone when an update comes out EVERYONE gets it at the same time, not when a phone manufacturer gets to it. That is really starting to get old for me. Maybe I should go back to the old flip phones they never needed updates..
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Lots of truth. And with that in mind, I might be tempted to move to iOS or WP7.
But, although I don't live to flash new ROM's all the time or customizing the phone constantly, I do have my phone customized just the way I want it and the way it is most useful to me. This includes, having a custom ICS ROM (I tried 2, settled on one and haven't moved for months, except for updates which are OTA and pretty simple). I don't think I could get either iOS or WP7 (probably mostly because of the lack of some of the apps I have on Android) to behave the way I want them to.
In the case of iOS I speak out of current personal experience. My personal phone is a SGS with ICS. The company I work with gave us iPhones. It's a pain in the ass to use that thing. Simple things such as turning stuff on or off, and the notifications are a joke. Lack of widgets is another weak point for iPhone, among many, many other things. The only really strong point is the camer which takes great pictures. But I end up taking them with my SGS because getting them off the iPhone is another goddamned chore.
I can't begin to count the times when I was doing something on the damn iPhone that takes me a zillion finger taps and thinking "this would be so simple on my SGS with a widget or shortcut or w/e".
In my case it's not really about customization for customization's sake. it's about productivity and, like someone said, being able to use the phone in a simple way. The phone adapts to the way I think, not the other way around.
The GS2 is one step forward and three steps back. It won't be as smooth, as good looking, or as user friendly as WP7, I guarantee that.
i will still go for a S2, and with the S3, S2 price will definitely drop.
the rom community for S2 is pretty awesome too, so yeah another plus point
I find the iPhone bland and screen has washed out colours. Ppi doesn't make a huge difference
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I don't like the WP, android is much better. I'm gonna stay with my SII for now
I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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bartoloandre98 said:
I don't choose wp7 because market place is not supported in Malta which suck .I know many ppl like me.
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Yeah, Microsoft must improve the worldwide support, here in Italy Bing is "beta", and doesn't really work well, so we're stuck with beta software. God, they should at least give us the option to change the default search engine, being forced to use a third party app just to "google" for something is pretty lame.
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You still cant change search providers? It's 2012 for goodness sake.
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I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material
I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!
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I believe you should stick to android but SGIII shouldn't be the phone that brings you back. Plastic is a pretty bad material
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Plastic is more durable than metal or any other material. Take a galaxy s2 and an iPhone and drop them at shoulder height. The galaxy s2 will have a little dent in the plastic. The iPhone would be completely shattered
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I'd wait for the price drop and get a SG2. It's a great phone and there's a lot of great ROMs out there.
I bought an Omnia W and kept it for 3 days. Hated it. All of it!
Returned it to the store and got my self a 1 month used SG2... couldn't be happier!
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You may also consider the Gnex actually. Right now you can find it at a lower price compared to the GS2: here in Italy I can find it online for 359€, pretty good considering that the GS2 can't be found for less than 400€, and it's kind of a more "dated" device...
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I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
Buy an iPhone
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already
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I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig
hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
Spewy1 said:
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.
See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.
I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.
Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.
Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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Anyone have any first impressions on the Samsung T699? Will it be a viable replacement to our Sidekick 4G? Or could the analysis of the T699 help with the development of the Sidekick 4G? These are what crossed my mind when I saw the following post at Engadget.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/09/samsung-t699-may-become-galaxy-s-blaze-q-on-august-15th/
Your Thoughts?
The keyboard looks good, especially the inverted T arrow pad. I sure wish our Sidekick had that. The form factor's a bit more generic. I quite like how the sidekick feels in landscape mode, so that's slightly less appealing. And the spec would be a nice step up, perhaps enough to make those console emulators practical.
No mention made of price or battery life though. We'll have to see how those are. If they're reasonable, I suspect I'll be picking one up for christmas.
I'd be interested if the keyboard has good tactile feedback and works well, and if the device gets official CyanogenMod support i'd like to avoid OEM overlays if possible from now on.
5-row key /w arrow keys is very nice.
As said above, I really like the feel (raised left/right edges) of the SK4G, and that will be worse, but if the keyboard feels good it will work.
A cap-buttons for menu & back is weird too (I prefer real buttons, but with 4.0 I thought it was not supposed to have buttons at all).
I could end up with that next year as well. I really wish they would just repackage the SK4G with the same case, bigger/better edge-to-edge screen, better camera with flash, and better cpu/ram (nfc + hdmi-out would be my only other wishes).
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Anyone have any first impressions on the Samsung T699? Will it be a viable replacement to our Sidekick 4G? Or could the analysis of the T699 help with the development of the Sidekick 4G? These are what crossed my mind when I saw the following post at Engadget.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/09/samsung-t699-may-become-galaxy-s-blaze-q-on-august-15th/
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After the way Samsung and T-Mobile continually mis-handled and then abandoned the Sidekick 4G, my main criterion for a new device is going to be a vibrant Android development community, and built-from-scratch community ROMs.
I'm done with Samsung's ROMs. If I'm not 100% certain of a complete, buildable, relatively standard Android source tree, with sensible drivers and whatnot, I simply won't be buying.
nxd said:
After the way Samsung and T-Mobile continually mis-handled and then abandoned the Sidekick 4G, my main criterion for a new device is going to be a vibrant Android development community, and built-from-scratch community ROMs.
I'm done with Samsung's ROMs. If I'm not 100% certain of a complete, buildable, relatively standard Android source tree, with sensible drivers and whatnot, I simply won't be buying.
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It was sad to see them drop the Sidekick so quickly, but how was it mis-handled? I did not follow much news about the Sidekick until the beginning of this year. However, I too am frustrated with the Samsung ROM. I have looked around here for a good replacement, but have not tried any yet.
Well, unless there is another qwerty phone out by this time next year, it looks like i will be getting a T699, whether or not there is a dev community.
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It was sad to see them drop the Sidekick so quickly, but how was it mis-handled? I did not follow much news about the Sidekick until the beginning of this year. However, I too am frustrated with the Samsung ROM. I have looked around here for a good replacement, but have not tried any yet.
Well, unless there is another qwerty phone out by this time next year, it looks like i will be getting a T699, whether or not there is a dev community.
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How was the Sidekick 4G mishandled? Let me count the ways.
1. Shipped with Froyo instead of Gingerbread at a time when GB was the current release
2. Never updated past Froyo
3. Kernel sources, when released, were an abominable mess. Too eccentric to help with integration into Cyanogen, AOKP, etc.
4. Never fixed TouchWiz' preposterous memory leaks
5. Abandoned officially at just around a year after release
Basically, T-Mobile appears to have cared more about refreshing the "Sidekick" name, than they cared about the user experience or software quality. The Sidekick's official ROM is complete garbage. Such great hardware... but Samsung and T-Mobile put concrete galoshes on the SK4G and chucked it in the river.
If I remember correctly from kies and such, the last update, kj2 came out around 11/7/2011, making the support for the device lasting less than 7 months after the launch date(which was 4/20.... I remember that for some reason )
All in all it sounds like the stock Touchwiz UI was a bit of a hack job and got little attention. It's a shame because I too really like the physical design of the device.
Disappointing QWERTY myTouch
@nxd @yogi2010,
Wow, I guess I should have paid better attention. Only 7 months is pitiful.
Likewise, today I saw this post on Engadget about the new QWERTY myTouch.
Source: engadget.com/2012/07/11/t-mobile-mytouch-series-hands-on/
Seriously, they are going to only be running Gingerbread 2.3 on the new myTouch device. That means the Samsung's T699 is my only hope.
I'm pretty excited about it. I've been wanting a high-end qwerty device again, and the spec bump on the T-699 looks to be very nice. 1.5ghz dual core S3(or possibly S4, but not getting my hopes up) with a gig of RAM and a 720P screen. Going from a Sidekick 4G to this device will be like going from a Galaxy S with a keyboard to a Galaxy Nexus with a keyboard.
Regarding the very poor SK4G software support, my theory is that T-Mobile got their hands too much in the software and Samsung just didn't want to spend the time to truly fix and update all the T-Mobile customized stuff. Don't get me wrong, all the "designer" elements of the lock screen and launcher and everything were nice and kinda expected for the Sidekick name, but they did such a half-assed job making it work right that I would rather have had regular old Touchwiz. It's my fond hope that with the T-699, T-Mobile will ask much less of Samsung in the customization department and we'll at least wind up with a very good functional 4.0.4 release software. Heck, maybe we'll even get lucky and Jellybean will hit sometime in the first half of 2013
Anyway, I'm getting this phone. I tried very hard to move to a touchscreen only device, but I just miss my qwerty keyboard too much. Even the 4.3 inch screen on my One S combined with the trace keyboard just doesn't cut it for me. I only got the One S because I truly believed that qwerty phones with even moderately decent specs were no more. Hell, the last good one that came to T-Mobile was the myTouch 4G Slide, and I hated the weak feedback on the keys on that one. Now I find out that not only are we getting a 720p screen on 1.5ghz dual core device, but the keyboard on it has the fifth row for the numbers? Thank you Samsung for keeping the slider form factor alive!
...barely alive! I too went a few months with no slider-keyboard, and to tell you the truth, I didn't even miss it that much... until I went back to a slider-keyboard and realized every time I used the hard keyboard what a PITA it would have been to do the same on a soft-keyboard only. My parents all use slider phones too because they say they can't type on a soft-keyboard at all. I use my soft keyboard 80% of the time, but the other 20% I'm very glad to have a slider. I don't know why they haven't become the standard, other then the fact Apple doesn't make one and people are sheep. If everyone were forced to use a slider for a week (running the same OS they were used to), I bet very few would want to go back to a candybar in exchange for a few mm in thickness.
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...barely alive! I too went a few months with no slider-keyboard, and to tell you the truth, I didn't even miss it that much... until I went back to a slider-keyboard and realized every time I used the hard keyboard what a PITA it would have been to do the same on a soft-keyboard only. My parents all use slider phones too because they say they can't type on a soft-keyboard at all. I use my soft keyboard 80% of the time, but the other 20% I'm very glad to have a slider. I don't know why they haven't become the standard, other then the fact Apple doesn't make one and people are sheep. If everyone were forced to use a slider for a week (running the same OS they were used to), I bet very few would want to go back to a candybar in exchange for a few mm in thickness.
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While the T699 looks very appealing, I don't think the Sidekick 4G is going to be the final Sidekick device ever released. At least...I hope not...
Well tmobile never said this was the only sidekick android so maybe a new one next year?Sent from my SGH-T839 using xda app-developers app
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xtrem88 said:
Well tmobile never said this was the only sidekick android so maybe a new one next year?Sent from my SGH-T839 using xda app-developers app
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I sure hope they do release another Sidekick! :fingers-crossed:
Man, I want that T699 so bad....
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I sure hope they do release another Sidekick! :fingers-crossed:
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Same here. I loved the sidekicks when I was a kid, even though I never could afford one
Sliders in general feel like home to me, and the Android factor in the 4g made me fall head over heels in love.... until I saw that it was on froyo. :/
I desperately hope bhudaven (hope I spelled his name right) perserveres through the trolling and ports 2.3 from SGS4G over to the sidekick. ANYTHING higher than froyo would be appreciated.
If tmobile even thinks about making another sidekick, it better be 4.0 or better or i'm going to give a mental jackslap to their logo every time i see it.
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Same here. I loved the sidekicks when I was a kid, even though I never could afford one
Sliders in general feel like home to me, and the Android factor in the 4g made me fall head over heels in love.... until I saw that it was on froyo. :/
I desperately hope bhudaven (hope I spelled his name right) perserveres through the trolling and ports 2.3 from SGS4G over to the sidekick. ANYTHING higher than froyo would be appreciated.
If tmobile even thinks about making another sidekick, it better be 4.0 or better or i'm going to give a mental jackslap to their logo every time i see it.
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Bhundven is the man for doing this for us. I have made it my personal goal to follow his instructions and not request ETAs.
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Sidekick or not, there are only 4 QWERTY phones with Android 4.0 and higher... Only 4. Looks like the end.
djh said:
Sidekick or not, there are only 4 QWERTY phones with Android 4.0 and higher... Only 4. Looks like the end.
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Well, T-Mobile will be releasing LTE-capable phones this year. Let's hope there's a Sidekick LTE on the way.
ged92781 said:
Well, T-Mobile will be releasing LTE-capable phones this year. Let's hope there's a Sidekick LTE on the way.
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As a long time user of hardware keyboard (G1 and T mobile G2) finally gave up and got Galaxy Note 2. Scren is large enough to use on screen keyboard even with my fat fingers. If they ever make high end phone with hardware keyboard I may switch back but so far I'm happy with quad core cpu and large screen.
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darekz said:
As a long time user of hardware keyboard (G1 and T mobile G2) finally gave up and got Galaxy Note 2. Scren is large enough to use on screen keyboard even with my fat fingers. If they ever make high end phone with hardware keyboard I may switch back but so far I'm happy with quad core cpu and large screen.
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Phonescoop.com has only one review and had zero discussions on the Relay...until I posted one.
It seems that physical keyboard phones are just not in high demand. What a shame.
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Before I start, I'd just like to say that this is just my personal rant and even though some of you may not agree, that's why I'm having this as a discussion thread.
Let's get this started then.
All I see going around XDA are people comparing their own devices to the latest Nexus device and saying 'Should I switch to the Nexus?' or a load of people rimming off the Nexus' as if they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Some of you may wonder why this bothers me. I'll tell you.
Just because a device has the Nexus brand name, it doesn't make it any better than any other phone of equal quality. A hell of a lot of people will see a device is a Nexus and immediately want to get it.
Why would you want to?
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
So with that being said, why buy the latest Nexus device when I'm reality it isn't any better than devices which are already available?
I know some of you may be Nexus fanboys and not agree with anything I've said, but I'm hoping that some of you agree just so I know that I'm not the only person who isn't being hypnotized by the word 'Nexus'.
As I said at the top of this post, I'm leaving this as a discussion so if anyone would like to add anything extra or disagree with what I've said, then you can feel free to do so.
But whatever you do, DON'T TROLL OR FLAME OTHER PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM!
Agree with all of the above! I'm getting it to replace my GNex.. it's a better device and I don't need two Nexuses
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True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
any suggestions??
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
Being my first android experience, i didn't know what android offered until i physically had the phone in my hands... i had it for two weeks before deciding to root it and try out the latest Android at the time, 4.0 ICS... fell in LOVE with my phone after that... i only realized other Carriers/manufacturers added their own version of android after i got used to ICS and started looking for other devices to upgrade to... once i became educated with android, i realized that i got extremely lucky with my first android experience/purchase... because not only were other devices not officially updated to ICS, but the rollout of ICS took a very long time to even start getting stable ports/builds from developers... the skin thing also turned me off from wanting another device...
Simply put, even tho my phone is rooted, i can only vouch for devices that come with pure Google experience as that was my first real android experience... someone will say that you can always root your device and update as developers push out there latest ROMs for other devices... but i can't promote that to my friends/family that don't even know what rooting means (like myself before)...
i strongly promote the Galaxy S3... in fact just yesterday someone posted on Facebook asking if they should get the gs3 or iPhone 5... i was surprised to see out of around 20 replies, only 2 said to get the iPhone 5... i said gs3 but i also mentioned the Nexus 4 and its amazing price point... she looked it up but liked the gs3 look more... today she bought the gs3 because of that and because the N4 isn't available yet...
Before, if anyone asked me what phone to get, I immediately said the gs3 hands down... now my response is Nexus 4... i prefer the sleek/clean look and curved glass of the Nexus devices... the gs3 would be great IMO if it didn't have hard keys like back/home/menu at the bottom... so with that, the N4 looks better to me than any other device out there... i also loved the look of the Gnex... sadly, that one lacked in specs for me to upgrade my ns4g... and sadly the N4 lacks CDMA/LTE support for me to upgrade... now I'm kinda stuck as to what now?
Hope that was a civil response you want in this thread
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FangV said:
True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
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Ask in this thread mate
the1dynasty said:
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
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I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Yeah.. noticed the same when comparing JB on my S3 to JB on my Nexus..
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Ask in this thread mate
I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
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I know custom ROMs are available for other devices... but the only other phone on my radar was the gs3 but I hated those buttons... i enabled the on screen buttons on my ns4g and my kernel let's me dim the light on the capacitive buttons so its like they're not even there anymore lol... i lost some screen real estate but no biggie really...
I was really looking forward to the next nexus and was really disappointed to hear no CDMA/LTE support being that i have unlimited with Sprint now and I'm gonna be switching to a special unlimited plan with Verizon in a month or so... i really wanted to continue using nexus devices but looks like I'll have to go elsewhere for now... luckily, I'm content with this ns4g being that i got it tuned nearly perfect for good performance... the SD read is still a bit slow tho... i can survive until something wets my appetite again like the N4... or I'll just get the SGS4 if nothing comes out before then...
Btw, I'm on 4.1.2 right now running most apps from 4.2 system dump... so this 2year old phone can even take photosphere, and quite well i might add... no rush to upgrade devices... if rather put that money to getting the Nexus 10
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Another reason is that all of the hardwares of Nexus devices are guaranteed to be open, unlike most Samsung touchwiz devices.
Another one is that new nexus devices are all have insanely low prices as they are subsidized by Google.
Also, now nexus devices have the greatest fastest socs in the market. Just look at nexus 4's S4 pro and nexus 10's Exynos 5.
In response to your opinion,
1. Not all nexus devices have great build quality, especially those ones made by Samsung. But in my opinion, all nexus devices have great design and look. Just look at the nexus 4. It's one of the most gorgeous phones in the planet.
2. For your information, the development of the Galaxy s2 is now dead. Also, the galaxy s3 is almost dead. Those are caused by their closed source drivers.
3. Nexus devices are the first to get the STABLE, latest android version.
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The reason is that the Nexus line keeps choices simple. Also, they don't have bloat (TouchWiz, Sense, etc) - and don't say get an AOSP ROM. I have heard that they are nothing but trouble. I quite like the idea of my tablet looking like it's running the same OS as my phone. And personally, the Nexus 4 is the best looking phone out there IMO, even compared to the iPhone 5 and the Samsung S3 (the style/position of the home button killed that design). I really like the UI design of stock Android too, it's not childish or cutesy looking like the bloat or iOS. I'm into the whole 'sci-fi' theme of it.
Also, looking at most other phones, they generally fall short in certain areas, whereas the Nexus devices as of late are looking relatively well considered. After using a Galaxy Nexus, I despise the current state of AMOLED tech. That rules out almost every Samsung phone under the sun. HTC One Xes supposedly have sucky battery life (plus, Tegra 3 vs a quadcore Snapdragon simply isn't a competition at all), and I've decided that lasting less than 5 hours with the screen on (for any mobile device, tablet, phone, whatever) just isn't good enough anymore.
Tablet-wise, for an Android tablet, there is no comparison to the upcoming Nexus 10. The Note sucks and the Infinity really sucks. The iPad wants you to get into the whole Apple ecosystem with Macs and iPhones to really get the best out of things like iCloud and whatnot, and Mac sucks for software & games.
The only real competitor to a Nexus is Windows 8 and WP8, which both look great (better than Android except for the whole 'Bing' thing) but their ecosystems aren't ready for real use yet. I have to say, the Lumia 920 is packing some awesome technology, and with the winter season coming I would really appreciate the touch screen you can use with gloves on. Not to mention the typical Nokia build quality, plus it seems to have everything covered.
The Nexus phones are the quickest to get updates and don't have any OEM skins or bloatware that is forced on the users. While an AOSP ROM can be ported to any phone in theory, it takes time and there are usually hardware issues due to closed source or unavailable drivers, and also locked bootloaders.
The problem with the Nexus line is its sort of like Apple's devices in the sense that there is limited hardware choice and device's memory can't be expanded. My personal hardware tastes are for a smaller device with no more than a 4.3" screen and it must have a microSD slot. I'll put up with OEM skins, bloatware can be frozen with root, as hardware is more important to me than software. But everyone it entitled to their own opinions and preferences.
Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Personally running Slim on my S3 is fast enough for me and my aged brain, any faster and I can't keep up!
Add to that my phone is my main music player hooked up to amp and speakers, I love that I can dual boot to get Samsung best bits(few!)
Not worried about lte
Glass back may be stylish.....but is utterly stupid on a phone.
......I am stupid!.....the reasoning?..... .this is all my opinion, nobody is really interested, and I'm not really interested in theirs......ergot......I MUST be stupid for posting in first place.....
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Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Was that your final answer? I use most of those... and last I checked, u can go to the play store and uninstall all of them... don't even need root if I'm not mistaken...
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KidCarter93 said:
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
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1) I'll agree not all Nexus look great, though that's a real personal preference thing. I for one, would prefer the Nexus one look over the Nexus s. I currently own a Gnex and I'd be honest in saying it looks alright, but I would like some changes made (Nexus 4, comes close)
2) To be fair, of course the S2 (and noteably other handsets) will have a large dev support, in terms of quantity they sell a lot more than the Nexus family (exception of the Nexus 7, that's the first Nexus priced aggressively)
3) Quick =/= first to get updates. Some people just want the newest FIRST.
I personally choose the nexus because I don't want to be caught with a device that will have a short support life (mentioned above). History shows the Nexus WILL have the most official updates:
Nexus one: Shipped with Eclair, last official version was GB
Nexus S: Shipped with GB, officially supported till Jelly bean
Gnex: Don't know yet, but its gone from ICS to JB.
If you go to dev section, there are even newer (unofficial builds) I don't buy phones every year so I want a phone that will last me 2 years at least.