http://gizmodo.com/5676008/hands-on-the-nexus-two-by-samsung
I love my Galaxy S, but this is a bit disappointing.
I was hoping for something that would push the bar - like a 4" Super AMOLED with a dual-core processor or something nuts like the N1 was over it's generation.
On the bright side, it does show that the Android lineup is a lot stronger than it was before.
it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
Yeah... I'm hoping this means we'll actually get timely updates in the future.
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it could also mean that well get a stock rom build that could prolly be easily be ported over easily to ours?
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This. This could be the single best thing if the ROMs can be easily ported and Google is in charge of software updates like they were with the Nexus One.
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this is one of the worst ... i dont know if i should even call it an article, but just so we can reference to it properly we will.
first, googles nexus one was very innovative, it showed a real and true glimpse into the future. for the second one there is no way they will take a step back and use some current hardware that has already been out for a while.
this is my opinion of what i believe is in the best interest of google.
so to pick on the article a little bit.
they keep refering back to the galaxy s line, which according to the "article" the only thing that was similar between them was how they looked, it says specifically that they had no idea what it had inside of it lol.
it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article.... omnomnomnom
I agree whole-heartedly.
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that's all i can think about right now .
galaxy s with AOSP gingerbread and google rolling out updates every month? amazing.
If the Nexus 2 is a rebadged and tweaked Galaxy S, then we have just been handed a great gift. Google and a significant portion of the android developer community will move on to our platform, and will tweak the device to their hearts desire. This means we will be at the front of the line to get any updates. And almost all new software will be compatible to our phones. Won't we love to be in the news as one of the first phones to get Gingerbread, Honeycomb, and IceCream, rather that the last ones to get Froyo.
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it states that the "nexus 2" was far less impressive than the n1, so what are they going by to support this statement? how it looked (opinion) and what they guess is inside of it? furthermore he didnt even know what kind of screen it had on the outside, he thinks it is an oled 4"... but not really sure, but one thing is for sure, it is "flat"
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My question is how the heck can you not be sure if you're looking at an oled screen??
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I can usually tell within the first second of looking at a screen if it's oled or not... if you don't believe me try putting an iphone and a 'real' phone like the N1 or the captivate side by side, then have them play the same video.
this should end the GPS debate as well. if the nexus two uses our chip, we'll either get a soft fix or we'll know our hardware is defective. if it uses a different chip, we know ours is broken forever.
More info/confirmation from PCMag. Too bad no confirmation on the hardware part; other than how it looks...
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yes, Samsung is working on an unlocked Android device that looks like the one in Gizmodo's pictures. But it may not be called "Nexus Two," my sources said.
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
Wish that they stuck with the Nexus 1 hardware and tweaked it. I love my phone... but why google is using Samsung is beyond me.
I wonder if Google did ANY research before signing the deal on this? Obviously they never looked on GOOGLE for issues with Samsung Galaxy S devices. Their marketing team should be drawn and quartered.
But... with all that being said - if Samsung is just pumping out the hardware and Google is the one providing the software without Sammy's thumb in the pie - it might be a halfway decent device.
Also.. was the lil tabby thing sticking out from the bottom of the phone?
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I for one dont care if the hardware was the same and the phone looked like that(most likely wont). As long as you give me stock Gingerbread Rom, no ATT crap and a working GPS, I will be picking one up.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
We won't know until it is released and the custom ROM developers can get their hands on the source.
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I think that the point, at least for the majority of Captivate owners (are you not one yourself?) in this forum, is that when/if said phone is released, there won't be any need to buy it in order to get the stock rom you're referring to, as it would most likely be easily ported over to the Captivate.
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I understand and do own a cappy, but that would take time and I dont like to wait.
When I had my N1 before I played with my brothers Captivate there was no wait for a new ROM and I loved it. Unfortunately, the N1 was slow compared to the Captivate and I switched.
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Aha.. but your missing something here. The keyboard. Might be easy to convert for the Epic crowd... but for those without a keyboard probably not so much.
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Keyboard? Nothing I've read on this rumored handset says anything about it including a hardware keyboard (if that's indeed what you're implying)... Have you read something I haven't?
Just speculation but maybe this is why samsung is taking their sweet time getting froyo out. Possibly getting gingerbread ready for this and other galaxy s devices?
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just a quick question
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just a quick question
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Quick question in the wrong section.
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Quick question in the wrong section.
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that's a quick reply
get a galaxy S so you can post in the wrong section in their forums.
Galaxy S for faster games and apps but get the nexus one because its a Google phone and it will be updated.
o **** I did my fault
Galaxy S has a way better screen with 0 multi touch problems.
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get a galaxy S so you can post in the wrong section in their forums.
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Galaxy S has a way better screen with 0 multi touch problems.
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Nice that you say this like it is a fact without having used it...
I didn't know my N1 had multitouch problems, that must be a brand new thing that just started happening?
Get a Nexus One, because unlike every other phone out there, a Nexus One is the one that is assured to get every update.
****, N1s are already being pushed 2.2, the N1 is Google's main phone, it will always get the love first before other devices.
Oh, and unlike the Galaxy S which has the stupid Touch Wiz or whatever the hell Samsung decides to put on and ruin the phone; the N1 is clean vanilla; and the best UI for any Android phone.
Galaxy innards are better than the nexus one, except for the lack of flash on the camera (wtf seriously samsung?).
Body on the samsung is plastic from what I can tell.
If you plan on hacking up a phone, I'd probably stick with nexus.
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Nice that you say this like it is a fact without having used it...
I didn't know my N1 had multitouch problems, that must be a brand new thing that just started happening?
Get a Nexus One, because unlike every other phone out there, a Nexus One is the one that is assured to get every update.
****, N1s are already being pushed 2.2, the N1 is Google's main phone, it will always get the love first before other devices.
Oh, and unlike the Galaxy S which has the stupid Touch Wiz or whatever the hell Samsung decides to put on and ruin the phone; the N1 is clean vanilla; and the best UI for any Android phone.
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The multitouch problem on the N1 has been known for awhile its a hardware problem. HTC fixed it in the Incredible and up. There are tons of videos showing the Galaxy S off including the screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
What do you say now?
I guess he would pretty much repeat what he said first : You can't be sure it has "zero multi touch problems" without testing it extensively. Maybe the multitouch will start glitching in a few month, or maybe it has a weird problem that happens when you hold it upside down or when it's cold, or in under strange situations.
The Nexus on looks like it has zero problems... Untill you try crossing two touch points.
So all you can say right now is that it doesn't seem to be affected by the same problem as the Nexus One. We'll see in a few weeks/months if it is indeed perfect.
As for the Nexus One vs Galaxy S thing, seeing as Samsung has a history of poor updates and crappy batteries, I'd stick with the Nexus One or wait for Motorola or HTC to release a more powerful phone, preferably without UI customisation (Nexus Two ?)
Google's own phone has a bug =O
I'd still say google N1 tbh, always gonna be up to date and shizzle =).
I like the Galaxy's name only But the Nexus One rocks & has been a developers (xda) dream device
AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
You should be able to sideload apps using the backflip method if nothing else. Partially I plan on sticking with the aria though, I have had problems with Samsung in the past plus their support has a habit of not being up to par.
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AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
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I'm in the same boat. Got my Aria on Friday as I was sick of waiting on the lack of news from AT&T on the Captivate. Might have to do the 30 day swap. The Galaxy S was already rooted so it seems logical that this has too.
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AT&T announced the release date of Samsung Captivate. I am trying to decide if I should return my Aria and get the Captivate. Anyone here has comment on that?
Given that Aria is now rootable, side-load apps possible and I know I can install non-AT&T approved apps from the Marketplace. I would like to know the chance of getting this capabilities on the Captivate.
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I'm in the same boat. Got my upgrade coming soon and I need some more info on the rooting and side-loading of the Captivate.
While my Aria is still within the return policy when the Captivate comes out, I plan to keep my Aria. I enjoy having a small device that can actually fit in my pocket and can last a whole day on a charge. Plus the Aria is much more attractive in the aesthetics department in both looks and interface.
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While my Aria is still within the return policy when the Captivate comes out, I plan to keep my Aria. I enjoy having a small device that can actually fit in my pocket and can last a whole day on a charge. Plus the Aria is much more attractive in the aesthetics department in both looks and interface.
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The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
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The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
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Toss up for me, too, but leaning towards the Captivate. I played with the Aria at my local AT&T store and was impressed - until I compared a Web site on the Aria to the iPhone (no, I have no interest in the iPhone!!!) and the iPhone screen was significantly brighter - even after increasing the Aria's brightness to the max. Plus, a compact phone is good in some ways but lacking in others. And with 4 major carriers getting the Samsung Galaxy S variants, there will be no lack of forum interest / activity.
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Toss up for me, too, but leaning towards the Captivate. I played with the Aria at my local AT&T store and was impressed - until I compared a Web site on the Aria to the iPhone (no, I have no interest in the iPhone!!!) and the iPhone screen was significantly brighter - even after increasing the Aria's brightness to the max. Plus, a compact phone is good in some ways but lacking in others. And with 4 major carriers getting the Samsung Galaxy S variants, there will be no lack of forum interest / activity.
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I think it's all going to come down to a side-by-side comparison in the store between the Aria and Captivate when I decide to upgrade at the end of the month.
I love the HTC Sense UI but I'm not totally hating the UI on the Captivate. And the pre-installation of Swype is definitely a plus for the Captivate....even though there are now multiple side-loading techniques out there for the Aria.
I hate it when it's time to decide on a phone...such a headache trying to make sure I get the best phone for me....
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The Aria is a lot more attractive with a large, already established ROM/rooting community but the Captivate has a faster processor (doesn't always mean faster performance) and a larger/nicer screen. Its a real toss up for me.
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Surely you jest?
The Hummingbird processor is simply superior to any other mobile processor available right now, especially due to the graphics chip it's coupled with.
The Aria has a significantly lower clocked Qualcomm processor, which almost automatically eliminates the ability/potential for upcoming-gen mobile games.
I can respect the preference for a slightly smaller screen, but I find it very, very difficult to justify the Aria over the Galaxy S due to its Super AMOLED screen, which is (like the Hummingbird regarding procs) superior to all others available.
If AT&T decides to lock up the Captivate, I'll just buy a true, unlocked Samsung Galaxy S i9000.
Of course, if AT&T were to lock it up, my last act of defiance might instead be to forget it all and switch to Sprint for the Epic 4G (its flavor of the SGS).
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Surely you jest?
The Hummingbird processor is simply superior to any other mobile processor available right now, especially due to the graphics chip it's coupled with.
The Aria has a significantly lower clocked Qualcomm processor, which almost automatically eliminates the ability/potential for upcoming-gen mobile games.
I can respect the preference for a slightly smaller screen, but I find it very, very difficult to justify the Aria over the Galaxy S due to its Super AMOLED screen, which is (like the Hummingbird regarding procs) superior to all others available.
If AT&T decides to lock up the Captivate, I'll just buy a true, unlocked Samsung Galaxy S i9000.
Of course, if AT&T were to lock it up, my last act of defiance might instead be to forget it all and switch to Sprint for the Epic 4G (its flavor of the SGS).
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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The Galaxy S has been rooted a long time ago. I'd imagine the same rooting procedure applies to the Captivate. Also, AT&T's dumbass no-sideloading lock is stupid easy to get around and works the same way regardless of the phone you have. You can either just download whatever program you want to install and issue an 'adb install <filename>' command with your android sdk tools, or you can modify your settings.db file and reboot your phone as per the instructions here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708408
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The Galaxy S has been rooted a long time ago. I'd imagine the same rooting procedure applies to the Captivate. Also, AT&T's dumbass no-sideloading lock is stupid easy to get around and works the same way regardless of the phone you have. You can either just download whatever program you want to install and issue an 'adb install <filename>' command with your android sdk tools, or you can modify your settings.db file and reboot your phone as per the instructions here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708408
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Oh Okay then. I'm new to the whole rooting/hacking Android thing so I didn't know that the same Galaxy S rooting procedure would work (I knew that the Captivate was in the Galaxy S family but...ehh, I dont know what was going through my mind).
And I also did not know that the same sideloading hack worked on all Android phones.
Thank you.
I have my Aria showing up tomorrow in the mail and was also thinking about the fact that this phone might be around the corner when I ordered it. For me I think the Aria is gonna be fine for me. I could use saving the money now and I found with my iphone that I don't really like to play anything other than simple games on the phone so I think the CPU power won't deter me that much. Also I'm not into recording videos so I won't be missing out on the 720p much.
I guess as far as it goes for me I just want to get away from my iphone3g.
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Yeah, just a joke. The Captivate is obviously the stronger of the two phones.
I don't know if anyone is able to tell right now but I'm pretty new to this thing right now but do you know how long it might take to get a root/side-load procedure for the Captivate? That might seal the deal for me if there's enough rooters/side-loaders/custom ROM makers for the Captivate upon me getting it...
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Quite honestly, I'd love a straight vanilla android ROM.
I hate custom UIs- Sense, TouchWiz, whatever. I hate them all.
That being said, do you guys think it'd be too much to ask to get that on there?
Might Samsung even be magnanimous enough to allow you to turn off their TouchWiz UI?
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Quite honestly, I'd love a straight vanilla android ROM.
I hate custom UIs- Sense, TouchWiz, whatever. I hate them all.
That being said, do you guys think it'd be too much to ask to get that on there?
Might Samsung even be magnanimous enough to allow you to turn off their TouchWiz UI?
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Would be pretty great to get some flexability with the UI.
I didn't think about the future gaming capability of the Captivate. Adding the 720 video, I think I'm gonna get the Captivate and return my Aria. While I love the small size of the Aria, I would love to have a bigger screen. I just hope the battery on the Captivate will last longer than my Aria.
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I didn't think about the future gaming capability of the Captivate. Adding the 720 video, I think I'm gonna get the Captivate and return my Aria. While I love the small size of the Aria, I would love to have a bigger screen. I just hope the battery on the Captivate will last longer than my Aria.
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The battery is one of my main concerns too. I really hope it lasts a decent amount of time.
Thought you guys (and gals) might be interested in an excerpt from a CNN interview online today with the inventor of the cell phone, Martin Cooper. I'm not a "big boy" yet so I'm not permitted to include the link. Feel free to post in other forums if appropriate.
"I'm always trying whatever the latest telephone is. I had an iPhone for a while, I gave that to my grandson. Kids are really caught up in that. But I think that the Android phones are catching up now, and the latest version of the Android phones are every bit as good, if not better, than the iPhone."
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Thought you guys (and gals) might be interested in an excerpt from a CNN interview online today with the inventor of the cell phone, Martin Cooper. I'm not a "big boy" yet so I'm not permitted to include the link. Feel free to post in other forums if appropriate.
"I'm always trying whatever the latest telephone is. I had an iPhone for a while, I gave that to my grandson. Kids are really caught up in that. But I think that the Android phones are catching up now, and the latest version of the Android phones are every bit as good, if not better, than the iPhone."
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Hmmm...very interesting indeed
I am waiting to see the Captivate at my local store and see if they will let me take it on an Antenna tour.. I have had major issues with other Samsung phones in my area. Iphone, HTC, and Motorola seem to be the only phones that have a strong enough antenna.
...or is it just me?
It would have been a better fit. The only thing missing is NFC and this phone would've really shined with some vanilla flavor.
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my feelings exactly.
Yeah, plus the battery life with the N1 and this, have no difference so yeah.
This is one of the top high end Android phone in the US right now and I'm feeling good about it.
oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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Nope, I completely agree with you and have thought this since day 1. HTC had the g1 and n1 so I was curious why Samsung got the ns.
Would have been nice if HTC would have thrown a SAMOLED2 in the phone, but as someone that moved from a N1 to the MT4G, this phone has been a great successor.
As for the NFC, it would have been nice, but to be honest, I don't see it taking off in the very near future in the US. And by the time it does, we'll probably have a very good replacement from T-Mobile.
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oh yea!
i'm gonna be off topic with this comment,but imagine this scenario:
Monday morning,after a busy weekend with your loved ones,cuz of the holydays,you weak up to the sound of your beautifull,new,latest most fullfing android device on the market (my opinion at least, don't even make me start about NS,huuuumunnnnguusss disspointment). Your beloved phone,wich at times could be compared with a second or third girlfriend cuz of the amount of time an android/android based device fanatic actually spends on it,and maintains it, not only by himself,but by an unbelivebly well structured comunity...
Ok,moving on to the point of this scenario,so your MT4G is waking u up,cuz you gotta go to work,right?
Wouldn't it be nice if the first thing u see would be the MT4G in an apple like dock (just gotta admit they make beautifull designs for theyr devices), in a dock like mode in wich you have all the important info u need to start the day,like time,day,temperature,latest news and various updates, and THAN a MENU that gives u,from your bed ,barrely waking up, acces to the most imprtant ,if not all the devices in your home,through whatever wirelles way possible, alowing u to,bassically,customize your day,the same way you know you love to customize your phone...
Now thats where I hope GOOGLE and ANDROID are going, and at the same time beeing opened source and not invade ones privacy ...sorry google,only love for you,but had to say that!
That would be a great way to start your new year. You guys agree?
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LOL, I found the first paragraph very ammusing, haha..
I think the reason it wasn't is because TMO wanted to market this phone as theirs because of the video chat capability... and they wanted the consumers to associate a good phone with their name, where as the N1 was googles baby, and while you could look at it and say it was an amazing phone, you didni't really give anymore credibililty to TMO. This way, tmobile looks good to consumers. Looking at things now.... the nexus S blows, but I don't really blame TMO for that, I can blame google or Samsuck for really dropping the ball there...so smart move on TMO part, IMO
Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
I think the MyTouchHD would of been a perfect phone for the second generation Nexus Line. How ever, they did just over clock the phone to 1.2Ghrz and the quadrant scores look AMAZING.
I think they undercooked this phone. It's so close to being perfect but Samsung doesn't know the difference between sh!t and Shinola
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
The Mytouch 3G was used heavy as a dev device before the N1 came out. HTC has always been the device not by choice but for not having something else avail. The N1 was basically a revamped version of the Touch and Other Ideas that were on the Drawing Table.
The Nexus S by Samsung is by far hands down the best addition to the Nexus Line. I am also very glad that this is number two in the Line and no other garbage took its place.
Always Remember: The Nexus Line is Google's way of being open with their dev devices, hence "Pure Google". All other devices are literally bastard children that carry a logo that says "with Google" to represent their honorary build.
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well it's a part of the original "mytouch" line phones ... it's a mt4g not a nexus touch4g. just saying, cause this phone is a successor of the mytouch3g. like how the g2 is for the g1. when the htc hero came out they were calling it a g2, but it wasn't the successor. plus this kills the nexus in so many ways! mytouch has so much custom UI put into it, talking about the slide & this, whereas nexus is just all straight android vanilla without all the bloatware. look at the nexus s, that's pretty much the successor since I heard they won't come out with a nexus 2. but all this is just IMO
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Little known fact. The MyTouch3G was going to be known as the Google Ion, and was going to be the precursor to the Nexus Line.
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
The magic and the mytouch are the same phone. The magic shipped with 288mb ram, the mytouch, until February 2010, shipped with 192mb. Aside from the color, I believe there is no difference between the ion and the magic. Its just that the ion was never on sale to the public, unless I'm mistaken.
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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I guess sarcasm doesn't fit into your vocabulary?
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No it wasn't. The Google Ion was the developer version of the HTC Magic which came out at least a year before the N1. Never seen any reference to ION being relaunched at the MT3G.
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There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
I got the MT4G on release date and I'm still in awe at how well built, and feature packed this device is. If they released this with AOSP and called it the Nexus Two no one would be disappointed. I can't believe that T-Mobile of all carriers released such a high end, future proofed device. Most devices are lacking in some area, but the MT4G isn't lacking at all. It has everything and more. I love this device so much, it's the first android handset I've owned where I haven't had any complaints with it.
There must be some political issues behind Google going to Samsung for the Nexus S and not HTC. HTC makes such better devices. You have the G2 and Desire HD which are industrial business looking devices, then you have the MT4G with a completely different design than anything else on the market and it appeals to almost all demographics. Whether you're a first time smartphone buyer or a seasoned Android veteran you will appreciate this device for what it can offer to you. I'm the latter and I have my MT4G hooked up with Gingerbread (complete with the NS screen off animation) and overclocked to 1.8Ghz. What more can you ask for?
The release of the Nexus S really changed my mind about Google and how they view the Nexus family. I don't think Google gives a **** about the average consumer so they don't include things like HD Video Recording, a Notification Light, FFC, Micro SD Card Slot for people with tons of music and videos etc. Instead they give you the bare bones and honestly, the only reassuring factor for the price is the idea of getting tons of Google updates first. That's all fine and dandy if the phone is priced right. $580 is simply too much for a smartphone that lacks so many features regardless of how you want to argue about it.
Right now the MT4G is the top android device on the market. Even when the first dual core devices come out I will still stick with my MT4G until something comes along that is the successor to it. The next smartphone that I make my daily driver will have to surpass the MT4G in every area; hardware, camera/video quality, screen, design etc.
I've been 100% happy with my purchase since day 1. This is the first time I can say this about any android device I've owned.
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A Lot Ppl would not know that! That's like explaining something in Russian to a Jew. LoL..
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
The rest of what you said made as much sense.
What would have helped is if you said "No, it wouldn't be the natural successor..." or "Yes, it would have been..." to start out with.
I sure would have preferred the MyTouch 4G as the new Google phone. It has all the extra pieces many phones don't have that a dev might want to test such as a FFC and 4G. Superior to the Nexus S, it has a memory card slot and working GPS (I assume the GPS on the Nexus S is as good as on any (other?) i9000 series phone).
The beautiful (and tough) screen on the Nexus S might be nice, but it doesn't much matter to a developer testing something, n'cest pas?
Case and point for what its worth... I wanted the NS so bad when I heard about it (I had the G1> MyTouch Fender> then finally MT4G. I'm sorry but that NS is a pain in the **** to get when I can just drop by TMobile and pick this one up. F best buy for cell phones I like t mobile stores I pay them I go to them. Plus this phone runs tits rooted and oc'd @ 1.6-1.7 with no crashes at all ... I've had one crash @ 1.8 big woop. And I know for a fact I haven't been able to get this phone to stutter at all it does everything flawless and fast bottom line.
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neidlinger said:
There are two different MyTouch3G phones. The PV32A and the PV32B, The "A" variant is a Google Issued phone. That is the dev phone.
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The "A" variant is the HTC magic, released in the UK and in Canada with Rogers. For some reason t-mobile decided to go with the "B" for North America at launch. All Mytouch 3G phones built after February 2010 are A as well. Main difference is the amount of available ram.
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The Russian Jews I went to school with would probably say "That's like trying to explain something to a person who uses extraneous LoL's" or more likely they'd avoid your presence entirely.
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I know lots of Russians, lots of Jews, and several Russian Jews. I'm Jewish and 2/4 (both parents were 1/2) Russian myself.
I just wish everyone could speak English at a respectable high school level so I don't cringe when I read some of the posts around here. English as a second language has a free pass though; learning a second language is HARD.
Back on topic - I totally agree that it must have been political. HTC seems to be the Android leader so Samsung getting the NS came out of left field in my eyes. Not to mention the hardware being blatantly inferior to the MT4G, ie; HSPA+, additional RAM, SD slot. I still don't get that.
Also never understood why the US got the inferior 32B. The entire reason I rooted that thing in the first place was so I could overclock it to try and run Navi and Pandora at the same time. I should have bought a N1 in the first place.
Will the Nexus S get developer support?
I currently have a Vibrant but plan on getting the S. I notice there are SO MANY different roms for the N1. IE: MIUI ports, etc. What is everyone's stance on this? Will any of the N1 devs move to N-S?
Please, no anti-Samsung haters. I'm asking a serious question.
Thanks!
richiehd said:
I currently have a Vibrant but plan on getting the S. I notice there are SO MANY different roms for the N1. IE: MIUI ports, etc. What is everyone's stance on this? Will any of the N1 devs move to N-S?
Please, no anti-Samsung haters. I'm asking a serious question.
Thanks!
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I currently have a nexus one. And my next phone will be largely based on its development community. To me this is what makes the nexus truly what it is.
The Community.
That's why I would like to know. I love the dev's for the Vibrant too but the sheer number of amazing dev's in the N1 section is astounding. I'd love to think they will work on the N-S as well.
I most likely will NOT go for the Samsung Nexus 2, solely because it's NOT a Google Developer Phone.
I was pretty upset when the Nexus title went to a Samsung device. I've got nothing against Samsung, but I think that Google should have stuck with HTC as their Android Dev Phone manufacturer.
The Nexus "X" line of Android phones should stay with ONE manufacturer.
Motorola should have the entire Droid line of phones, just as HTC has the entire line of MyTouch phones.
Just my dos-centavos
Wasn't the plan for the NS to be the next developer phone? Just because it's not HTC doesn't mean it's not going to be good. Google most likely has their thumb on this phone to make sure everything goes as THEY want it to. I don't see Samsung messing this up with Google taking care of the updates. All the software is being updated through google.
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... Just because it's not HTC doesn't mean it's not going to be good ...
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I didn't mean to come across as that being my opinion.
Before coming to Android, I loved my Windows Mobile phones. My old Tilt, Dash, Shadow. So I'm just partial to HTC.
He likes Chevy. He likes Ford.
OrganizedFellow said:
I didn't mean to come across as that being my opinion.
Before coming to Android, I loved my Windows Mobile phones. My old Tilt, Dash, Shadow. So I'm just partial to HTC.
He likes Chevy. He likes Ford.
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Oh, trust me. I like HTC too! I also had the Shadow and the G1, my brother has the Hero. The Shadow, 2007 seems like such a long time ago when I look at my Vibrant. Haha.
If the NS is going to be given all the new software updates before the N1, I think there's a really good chance that N1 ROM devs will move to the NS.
Even if it doesn't, though, the NS will definitely get a wide range of XDA support solely because it's a Google phone.
Personally, I was going to hold off on getting the NS to find a better successor to my N1, but then I heard rumors that Samsung scrapped the original model to make it a dual-core...so maybe.
Ofcourse it will, because its the latest Google phone. And nexus1 will lost a lot of support, because most people will move to Google's latest phone - Nexus S.
Until it's announced and officially declared as ADP4, it can only be compared to G2 - which will give you a good estimate.
The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.
I watched not too long ago a youTube video.
The Google Developer did not say he had a Nexus S but it matched the pictures seen in rumors.
Questioned he said there would be no Nexus 2 but this is the Nexus S
I think the Nexus S is real, it will be seen and announced soon.
When it is released Google will be using the device for future Android development, the Nexus One will be pushed aside.
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I watched not too long ago a youTube video.
The Google Developer did not say he had a Nexus S but it matched the pictures seen in rumors.
Questioned he said there would be no Nexus 2 but this is the Nexus S
I think the Nexus S is real, it will be seen and announced soon.
When it is released Google will be using the device for future Android development, the Nexus One will be pushed aside.
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We already know its real. lol. A little late to the party
Yes I understand that but what I find confusing, then is the whole post.
Everybody knows it is real the next develop phone seems like it is given it will have developer support.
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Yes I understand that but what I find confusing, then is the whole post.
Everybody knows it is real the next develop phone seems like it is given it will have developer support.
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We know its the next "google" phone. People seem to be unsure whether it will be officially a "developer" phone.
Since the rumors have been pointing towards a retail launch (not just the google.com/phone) I think people are just assuming its going to be more of a "consumer" phone rather then a "developer" phone like the Nexus One was.
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Until it's announced and officially declared as ADP4, it can only be compared to G2 - which will give you a good estimate.
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That's what I'm waiting for.
No more blogs & their anonymous contacts & rumors.
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The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.
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Speculation?
Please provide a link from a reliable source, yeah?
peliROJO said:
The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.
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Every phone will have its faults Nothings perfect
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Speculation?
Please provide a link from a reliable source, yeah?
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It's speculation. But if the rumors of dual-core Cortex A9 are true then it seems likely. Also, the greatness that is Google, we can hope that they insist this next phone is dual-core and have optimized Gingerbread for such. Why on Earth would you not switch phones!
This forum will be demanding quad-core by the end of 2011 or sooner. It's natural. So thank you Nexus 1 and G1 for the progress you have brought us. RIP
If it has "fastboot oem unlock" then it is sure to attract devs right away! That's what was awesome about the N1! No time wasted on looking for an exploit.
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If it has "fastboot oem unlock" then it is sure to attract devs right away! That's what was awesome about the N1! No time wasted on looking for an exploit.
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oh yeah. Totally forgot about that! Cyanogen tweeted that, I remember
I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
get SGS3
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
Buy an iPhone
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already
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I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig
hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
Spewy1 said:
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.
See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.
I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.
Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.
Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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