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Why can't I start third party input methods?

So i've been having this problem for a while...
I installed Calligrapher, TenGO, Happy Keyboard... but besides the first time I start it up, I can never get it to activate. It always defaults back to the keyboard.
I have plenty of memory free (15 megs), nothing is started, If i launch any of the input methods as the first thing after a softreset, it'll sometime work. Otherwise, i can never get it to run. I figure it's a memory issue, but I really do have more than 10 megs free at any given time...
the HTC Phonepad works fine, same with block recognizer...
Anyone else run into a problem like this?

mr_yellow said:
So i've been having this problem for a while...
I installed Calligrapher, TenGO, Happy Keyboard... but besides the first time I start it up, I can never get it to activate. It always defaults back to the keyboard.
I have plenty of memory free (15 megs), nothing is started, If i launch any of the input methods as the first thing after a softreset, it'll sometime work. Otherwise, i can never get it to run. I figure it's a memory issue, but I really do have more than 10 megs free at any given time...
the HTC Phonepad works fine, same with block recognizer...
Anyone else run into a problem like this?
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Same happened to me today with TenGo. Try opening the Tengo in Word, then it will work OK.

That didn't help at all.. No matter what application is running, It always opens the default keyboard instead.
I think i found out a possible issue: If i removed all the third party today screen plugins (i have pocket weather, phone alarm, calendar, and tasks), and only have calendar and today, then soft reset, I have a pretty good chance in starting calligrapher and tengo immediately after the softreset. But once I turn on phone alarm and pocketweather, calligrapher gets all slow and laggy and I can't enable calligrapher or tengo after a softreset.
So these today plugins are conflicting somehow... I dunno how since I still see 15+ megs available RAM on the device regardless of how many plugins I have enabled...
anyone have any insight?

i had similar prob. as well, there is some prob with loading try to put SIPz in startup folder. google it.

I had a similar problem, i fixed it by using the attached file. Install the cab, go to programs -> Im Selector -> choose default keyboard and restart.

s4vva said:
I had a similar problem, i fixed it by using the attached file. Install the cab, go to programs -> Im Selector -> choose default keyboard and restart.
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...yup, used this to make sure my selection of IM survived soft reset and it worked great. Thanx!

kbywg said:
...yup, used this to make sure my selection of IM survived soft reset and it worked great. Thanx!
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is it working on wm6?

I can't believe I'm the only one with this issue...

Anyone having crashes whenever they click on "Menu" for the Messages portion for TouchFlo3D? I'm not sure when it starts, but I think it happens when I install the Call History tab from NaviDavi. Everytime I hit the menu softkey, manila.exe crashes, and it's the ONLY menu not working properly for me.
Anyone else using a different history tab without any issues?

I do not have the call history tab, but have the calendar tab. No crashes to this point sorry to say.

Try another ROM. DCSv14 for example. No troubles in stability at all. On stock ROMs I also have a crashes on manila.exe, gwes.exe and shell32.exe in random cases.

I dint have any problems as such, try a hard reset if you want...

akash_nu said:
I dint have any problems as such, try a hard reset if you want...
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I did that 3 times, and it still didn't fix things. It only happens after applying a bunch of tweaks.

Vulpix said:
I did that 3 times, and it still didn't fix things. It only happens after applying a bunch of tweaks.
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I think your best bet is to install a known good rom...

Man, this is strange. I installed a Diamond only theme with no landscape and my Menu button the SMS portion of TouchFlo magically worked. No crashes. Then I installed the patched version for Touch Pro from NisseDILLIGAF, and the problem came back again.
I want to know how I can find out the source of this problem. If it's a tweak that caused this, which tweak could it be?

Nobody else having this problem after installing the call history cab?

My solution may not please you, but I installed Diamond TF3D config and simply deleted that tab. Now all the Icon sets I have d/l work like a charm and I actually find myself enjoying TF3D. I AM NOT using a cooked ROM, but a factory ROM that came in the phone last week.
Now the embarrasing thing is that I cannot tell you if it happend with the Original TF3D. To be honest, I HATED TF3D at first, before I started doing the tweaks.

Multiple Problems After ROM Upgrade?!?

I'm a noob who has been reading away for months, trying to learn as much as possible from the forums. This week I finally decided to try my hand at tinkering. I took my one-year old stock Kaiser and used JumpSoft to flash HardSPL v.3.29, then I upgraded to HTC ROM v3.28.405.0 (WM6.1) from their support website.
Since the "upgrade" I have been experiencing the following issues:
1. Occasional freezes (screen becomes unresponsive)
2. Some settings do not persist (e.g. backlight timeout, call display filter, etc)
3. The Weather Tab on the Today Screen can only retrieve the forcast when the device is connected to the PC or to a WiFi Network.
It seems as though the freezes can be fixed by installing the SPL that comes with the HTC ROM, but I have no idea how to extract it. Has anyone extracted it for us and posted it?
I haven't seen anyone else having problems with settings resetting themselves. Anyone have an idea on this one?
I have yet to find a clear fix for the weather problem...
Thanks in advance for all your help. This site continues to amaze me!

Well I guess it's not news to anyone that the HTC ROM is crap. BUT...it was news to me! Still hoping someone can help me out.

I assume You followed the standard procedure of making a Hard reset after the flashing was finished?
About the weather updating: Can you do MMS and get access to internet on the device using 3G or Edge
(The easy way is to test if QiockGPS work when not connected via USB/wifi)?
If not, check the connection and messaging settings (configure connections and MMS options if not autoconfig wizard is usable).

Thanks for the reply!
I did the hard reset, no problem there.
I fixed the weather update problem by editing my MEdia Net Proxy Settings. I'm not having any other problems with Internet, MMS, QuickGPS, etc.
Still hoping for fixes for the non-persistant settings, and for the occasional freezes...

FireMedic05 said:
Thanks for the reply!
I did the hard reset, no problem there.
I fixed the weather update problem by editing my MEdia Net Proxy Settings. I'm not having any other problems with Internet, MMS, QuickGPS, etc.
Still hoping for fixes for the non-persistant settings, and for the occasional freezes...
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Try flashing cmonex's HardSPL 3.29 as alot of people say it fixes screen freezes:
First Download cmonex HardSPL 3.29:
http://www.4shared.com/file/66276521...rdSPL_329.html
Flash cmonex HardSPL 3.29
1. Copy JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe and JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.exe to your device (NOT storage card)
2. Pull out the battery and reinsert it (this step *IS* important)
3. Connect your PC to phone with a USB cable
4. REMOVE SIM and SD CARDS !!
5. Turn phone back on
6. Run JumpSPL1.56-KAIS.exe on your device (make sure the USB cable is still connected). If you get a white screen then reset your device and now try JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.exe
7. After a few seconds "USB" appears on the phone display
8. Unplug and replug the usb cable after 30 seconds
9. Deselect "Allow USB connections" in Activesync connection settings (right click activesync bottom corner icon)
10. Now flash cmonex's hardSPL 3.29 (run KaiserCustomRUU.exe in the cmonex folder on your PC and follow instructions)
11. REPLACE SIM and SD CARDS !!
I know you fixed the weather bug but the official fix for that is:
1. Go to Settings - Connections - Connections - Advanced - Select Networks - Edit (MEdia Net) - Proxy Settings -> UNCHECK BOTH OPTIONS
2. Soft Reset
What intermitent problems are you having?

Thanks for the reply!
mskip said:
Try flashing cmonex's HardSPL 3.29 as alot of people say it fixes screen freezes:
What intermitent problems are you having?
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I've got Jocky's v3.29 on my Kaiser now, is cmonex's version different or is that link just a mirror for Jocky's HardSPL? If it is different, I will definitely give it a shot. I am hating my Kaiser right now.
As far as the intermittent problems, there are two bad ones that are driving me nuts:
1. The backlight times out after ~12 seconds, no matter what setting I have it on. Interestingly, the backlight no longer goes dim for a few seconds before the screen goes black as it did with the OEM ROM. This means that there is no warning before it goes dark...I'll be reading a NYTimes article and the screen just blacks out every ~12 seconds. I have tried changing the settings and powering down, soft resetting, even hard resetting--nothing works.
2. The missed call tab (under the clock on the right side of the HTC home screen) will only list missed calls. If I go to Menu>Filter and select "All Calls" it will show me all the calls going in, out, and missed, but as soon as I go back to the home screen and select the tab again, it will only show me the missed calls. I know that this is minor, but I really liked having all my calls there b/c it helps me keep track of call times for billing. Again, I have tried all manner of resets and this setting will not persist.
These two problems, along with the freezes, are the only problems I have noticed with this HTC ROM. HOWEVER, they are enough to make me wish I hadn't flashed. I am now scouring the threads for a stable and flawless cooked rom. Thinking of Dutty's Non-Cube Hybrid V2, but haven't finished reading the thousands of posts to see if all issues are resolved. Any favorites?
Thanks again for reading!

FireMedic05 said:
Thanks for the reply!
I've got Jocky's v3.29 on my Kaiser now, is cmonex's version different or is that link just a mirror for Jocky's HardSPL? If it is different, I will definitely give it a shot. I am hating my Kaiser right now.
As far as the intermittent problems, there are two bad ones that are driving me nuts:
1. The backlight times out after ~12 seconds, no matter what setting I have it on. Interestingly, the backlight no longer goes dim for a few seconds before the screen goes black as it did with the OEM ROM. This means that there is no warning before it goes dark...I'll be reading a NYTimes article and the screen just blacks out every ~12 seconds. I have tried changing the settings and powering down, soft resetting, even hard resetting--nothing works.
2. The missed call tab (under the clock on the right side of the HTC home screen) will only list missed calls. If I go to Menu>Filter and select "All Calls" it will show me all the calls going in, out, and missed, but as soon as I go back to the home screen and select the tab again, it will only show me the missed calls. I know that this is minor, but I really liked having all my calls there b/c it helps me keep track of call times for billing. Again, I have tried all manner of resets and this setting will not persist.
These two problems, along with the freezes, are the only problems I have noticed with this HTC ROM. HOWEVER, they are enough to make me wish I hadn't flashed. I am now scouring the threads for a stable and flawless cooked rom. Thinking of Dutty's Non-Cube Hybrid V2, but haven't finished reading the thousands of posts to see if all issues are resolved. Any favorites?
Thanks again for reading!
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The link is to cmonex's HardSPL 3.29 and it has been patched so it is different and definitely worth trying if your screen keeps freezing as it fixed my screen freezes.
For the backlight problem try installing these 2 files then soft reset and see if it fixes it:
http://www.4shared.com/file/66385622/adca0889/SJ_LongPressEndKey_1_1_34078_1.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/66383254/298acc7b/Fix_HD_III_OPAL_Backlight.html
I dont think the missed calls screen problem is anything to worry about since you can just press the 1st tab at the bottom of the screen to see the all calls list lol.
Im using HyperDragon3 6th oct Rom and it runs great for me (with a few tweaks):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397121

What does that "longpressendkey" cab do? I have seen it mentioned in the forum many times, but I still don't know if it is a fix or a small program...

FireMedic05 said:
What does that "longpressendkey" cab do? I have seen it mentioned in the forum many times, but I still don't know if it is a fix or a small program...
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LongPressSendKey (or End key for that matter) is an addon app to allow an app or function to be triggered when you hold down the Send/End key. On my Garmin.DK.4.3c ROM, I have the LongPressSendKey give me my Comm Manager, and my LongPressEndKey give me a menu of options (set phone to vibrate, lock phone, etc.)

Fuze freezes on startup ... sometimes

I've been having a problem since shortly after I got my Fuze, that sometimes on reset it doesn't want to finish starting up -- maybe on one out of three resets. It seems to hang just before starting TF3D. It's still semi-responsive ... the backlight brightness turns back up if I hit a button, and an on-screen button may react if I press it (though it doesn't get as far as launching the application or bringing up the start menu)
Usually forcing another soft reset via the pinhole button results in it booting just fine.
I'm currently using ROMeOS, but I've run into this problem with multiple ROMs, including the stock one. I don't think it's a hardware issue ... I haven't had any other problems that suggest the unit itself is bad.
I tried to figure out what I've done each time I've customized my setup. I stayed away from registry tweaks that affect things like caches or hardware performance this time, and still got the issue. I tried uninstalling some of the apps that I always use. No dice.
But I think I've narrowed down the issue. I uninstalled mun background4allpages, which puts the wallpaper you select onto every tab. After several resets, no problem. I'll continue to test throughout the day, resetting sporadically. But I haven't seen anyone else report a problem like this with background4allpages ... so I'm not sure this is it.
Anyone have anything like this, with any cause at all?

I have his problem every once in awhile with ROMeOS too. I'm not sure what causes it but I'll have to do three or four restarts before it continues on. I think it usually happens after I install an app that has a Today plugin with it. But I'm not totally sure about that but I do know if is after I install a cab.

Looks like a today screen hangup. I can fix it by going to the Today Items tab in settings->today then choosing ok (which causes today to refresh plugins).

imtribble -- I've never needed to do 3-4 resets to clear it. I'm not sure I've even needed to do 2. But I know in my case, it's happened without any cab installed since the last boot.
Sleuth255 -- I'd actually tried that (though not for that purpose) but it doesn't seem to have helped, at least not permanently.
With background4alltabs uninstalled, it seems like the problem is gone (at least so far). I wonder if it might actually be the collision of using both background4alltabs and manilla customizer to change my clock -- since I read somewhere that the files background4alltabs changes also affect the clock. If I can confirm after several more resets that this was the problem, I'll post something in that thread.
I'm just so confused that it only happens sometimes, not all the time. Odd.

Actually, Sleuth255, that may have helped after all. I reinstalled background5allpages, and the problem reappeared. But then I did the Today "OK" and haven't been able to make it freeze since ... so maybe. Will report back further after more testing.

It is not just on ROMeOS though, with my fuze the same thing happens and I am running elite ROM RC2. It is some kind of today screen hangup and sleuth's solution did not help me. It takes ~2-3 soft resets to get it working correctly. If I hold the power button to reset rather than pressing the stylus reset it boots up with no hangs though. Interesting.

mdow09 -- are you using background4allpapers? how about manila customizer (and if so, what have you used it to change)? anything loading in your startup group? trying to figure out what the common elements among people having this problem might be.

its happened to me on provens rom and when i had romeos
but a second reset always fixes it

Not using background4allpapers or manila customizer, the clsoest thing I am using to that is TF3D config. My senses tell me it is something to do with my secondtoday screen. My startups are as follows:
Answer key disabler
autoshortcut.ink
cleartemp.ink
filedlgchgs.ink
G-alarm reload
HTC startup
PKG.ink
poutlook.ink
startclean.ink

hmmm.... I've not gotten a permanent fix either, I occasionally hang up after a reset. When I have my issue, the start menu is operational and I can load programs etc w/o issues. It's only the today screen that's hung which is why I tried fixing it by refreshing the items list in today settings. I'm not running touchflo either if that makes a diff.

mdow09 -- It looks like the only things in common we're running are the processes that are always there. Nothing from an installed app.
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.

I -MAY- have solved this, or at least worked around it.
Previously, I tried uninstalling Background4allpages. That seemed to solve it, but I only had it uninstalled for a day or so. No conclusive word on whether it was involved.
I tried Sleuth's Today/OK trick. That seemed to stave it off for a while. Still came back. Possibly after installing new apps or doing other things that affect the Today setup. Not sure.
But here's my most recent attempt -- I moved TouchFlo3d (almost) all the way to the top in the list of Today items, with everything else (as normal) unchecked. You can't go all the way to the top, because the date entry is there. My working theory (based on nothing concrete yet) is that the plugins are loaded in the order in which they appear in that list, and the Today function isn't getting to load one that's problematic. Perhaps it's a similar issue - when the problem appears, Touchflo itself won't load because of another plugin that loads first, but each would be fine independently. In any case, pushing it to the top priority seems to be preventing the problem -- at least for now.
Obvious holes in my theory -- It seems strange that Today would still load unchecked plug-ins at all, though maybe it still does some sort of cursory scan of them. And wouldn't the problematic plugin still then load AFTER touchflo in my new setup? Maybe it is, but it's only causing a problem if it loads before TF3D?
As before, will report back after more observation ...

Wordsmith9091 said:
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.
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Its intermittent for sure. I've not been able to peg down what causes it yet.

Fuze sometimes slows to a crawl...

Are others experiencing this or is it time for the dreaded hard reset and rebuilding? I have an ATT Fuze with a stock from and the black TF3D theme... various pokes and prods to the registry.

check the task manager's list of processes
mine slowed down after taking some video clips and watching them on tf3d
turns out, manila was using from 20 to 40% of cpu!

g2tl said:
check the task manager's list of processes
mine slowed down after taking some video clips and watching them on tf3d
turns out, manila was using from 20 to 40% of cpu!
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The list shows as empty, i.e. nothing running.

I too have experienced this from time to time. Using a combination of a more advanced task manager (dotFred or memmaid) along with MemMaids reclaim ram feature it is usually rectified. Sometimes simply restarting tf3d fixes it. (either ending task or turning it off in today settings)
To be honest though, this only seems to happen maybe once per day/ once every two days and can quickly be fized by a soft reset.
You can also try scaling back your file system and filter cache. (leave font) I have both mine set to 4mb and havent experienced a slowdown with this rom and settings yet. I used to have max cache on everything (elite rc2) yet I dont seem to need it.
It may have no effect and can possibly be attributed to my old rom setup getting overloaded. I'll post reports of any more slow downs.
RRE beta 3v2 on m1 radio.
-On the road from my Fuze-
-VGA is fantastic-

Scrtcwlvl said:
I too have experienced this from time to time. Using a combination of a more advanced task manager (dotFred or memmaid) along with MemMaids reclaim ram feature it is usually rectified. Sometimes simply restarting tf3d fixes it. (either ending task or turning it off in today settings)
To be honest though, this only seems to happen maybe once per day/ once every two days and can quickly be fized by a soft reset.
You can also try scaling back your file system and filter cache. (leave font) I have both mine set to 4mb and havent experienced a slowdown with this rom and settings yet. I used to have max cache on everything (elite rc2) yet I dont seem to need it.
It may have no effect and can possibly be attributed to my old rom setup getting overloaded. I'll post reports of any more slow downs.
RRE beta 3v2 on m1 radio.
-On the road from my Fuze-
-VGA is fantastic-
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Thanks. I have the caches (glyph, filter, etc.) all pumped up in an effort to speed things up. Maybe I'm going the wrong way. I was demonstrating the Fuze to some co-workers at breakfast this morning and ran into a 20 second freeze. Same.
Does anyone know what the "Exclusive program list" is? I have googled it, but not found an answer. Jbed.exe appears on that list.

hopper13 said:
Does anyone know what the "Exclusive program list" is?
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This is the part of the operating system that allows you to always keep a certain set of applications running even when you instruct windows to stop all programs.

behrouz said:
This is the part of the operating system that allows you to always keep a certain set of applications running even when you instruct windows to stop all programs.
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Thanks. I suspected as much. Does everyone have jbed.exe on that list? From what I gather, it has something to do with java?