Hello,
Using my UK/EU Version of the Touch Pro branded as HTC (RAPH100 on the back) I get Edge everywhere and 3G someplaces. However, I gifted a friend an AT&T branded "Fuze" (not sure of the exact model) and when the phones are side by side most of the time, the Fuze gets 3G everywhere and I am stuck on Edge.
They are both on AT&T, and as far as I know have the same data plans. I thought they were both quad frequency chips, and I didnt think there were any GSM differences in the hardware between the versions.
What gives? Can I take a broken Fuze, desolder the GSM chip, and resolder it into my T7272? Is there a way to check for 3G reception vs. 3G connection allowance? Meaning is my phone getting the 3G signal, but AT&T refusing my phone's ID?
you may have posted this in the wrong place.
Did you look at the radio versions? Sounds like each device had a different radio flashed on it. Check out the raphael radio thread here
Moved to Touch Pro, Fuze General for better exposure.
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Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...
I can help...
mrvanx said:
...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro
Don't take this the wrong way...
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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.
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The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.
Hey guys, I just have a quick question. Does the G1 and Touch Pro share the exact same hardware when it comes to radios? If so, I would assume that the chipset in the Touch Pro would be capable with the Tmobile 3G bands but it just needs the proper drivers for it to work. I had the G1 but sold it because Tmobile wouldn't allow me to use my $6 data plan on the G1, or any other plan than the G1 data plan. I now have an HTC Fuze and am looking for any way to get 3G Tmobile data access. It doesn't seem like many phones out there has the Tmobile 3G bands. And also, it seems like the Rhodium is coming to Tmobile with the 3G bands and was wondering if anyone had access to the Rhodium radio firmware could flash the Touch Pro and see if it enabled the 3G bands for Tmobile.
AFAIK, flashing an at&t FUZE ROM (and radio) to a Touch PRO doesn't bring up at&t 3G speed at all.
will a Fuze GSM logicboard work in a CDMA touch Pro?
Is the handset hardware different?
Maybe if I explain myself better, someone may have an answer or opinion.
I have a friend with a Sprint touch pro with a bad logic board (motherboard). He got a new phone and offered to give me the touch pro.
I am on AT&T and was wondering, if I can get a logic board from a GSM touch pro would it fit and work? I would assume to save on production costs the phones are the same, with different logicboards for GSM and CDMA.
I could be completely wrong, but that's why I am asking before I take the time or spend the money to get the fuze logic board.
Thanks!
You are correct, the boards are different between the two (even more so as theyre GSM vs CDMA). Your best bet would be eBay for bad ESN/broken Fuze's. Also, seems like you're under the impression that Sprint is GSM, they are not. Sprint is completely CDMA (except in certain markets where they've bought out smaller competition and have some GSM towers).
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You are correct, the boards are different between the two (even more so as theyre GSM vs CDMA). Your best bet would be eBay for bad ESN/broken Fuze's. Also, seems like you're under the impression that Sprint is GSM, they are not. Sprint is completely CDMA (except in certain markets where they've bought out smaller competition and have some GSM towers).
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I understand Sprint is CDMA only, thats why I wondered if the GSM logicboard from a Fuze would work in the Sprint phone I got from my friend. Basically I want to convert a CDMA Sprint Touch Pro to a GSM Fuze for AT&T.
If the rest of the Hardware is the same and I found a Broken Fuze with a good logicboard, it would be a simple swap.
Hi guys, I recently acquired an HTC Wizard, I unlocked it and flashed a custom rom and I really like the phone but I'm looking to upgrade. The phones I've been looking at are the Dream, Kaiser and the Fuze. I've read the reviews on the G1 and it looks good but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up windows mobile (office is handy for work). But since I hear such good things, hows it compare to the others? Is the Fuze really worth me shelling out more cash over the Kaiser (about $150-$200 on ebay)? I'm also wondering if there are any other HTC models that offer everything I want without seriously breaking the bank. It needs to have mp3, video, net, keyboard, GPS, 3g, wifi, tetherable, touchscreen and needs to be unlockable or T-mobile based. Basically just looking for some advice on the best buy for my buck. Even if it's not necessarily an HTC (hope I don't get flamed for this =P). Also one more quick question, if I'm currently on T-mobile with the non 3g wizard and I pop my sim into a 3g phone, it will work at 3g speeds without me needing to do anything (provided coverage is in my area) ? Thanks in advance.
I miss my Fuze. I ended up returning it to get a Xperia, and I regret it, due to the Xperia's subpar keyboard.
On the other hand, the Touch Pro 2 will be out soon in the US (as the HTC Fortress on AT&T at an indeterminate date and the T-Mobile Wing II in July), and that should be everything the Fuze is and more (thinner, better battery life, larger and higher res screen, etc). I'd wait for that.
As for the sim swap question, yes, it should work, assuming the phone you pop your T-Mobile sim in supports 3G at 850MHz, as that's the only frequency T-Mobile uses for 3G (as opposed to AT&T, which uses 850 and 1900 depending on area). If you use a Euro phone, expect it to only work in 1900MHz areas in the US if at all. Phones actually marketed for the US will support both 850 and 1900 bands, which means you won't have a problem.
Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Thanks for the info. Any idea on the cost of the touch pro 2? I wasn't really looking to break the bank but I am intrigued.
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Welcome to the forum
Depending on your conuntry the price varies
Have a look on expansys to ha an idea
$600-$800USD
That's without a contract, of course. AT&T and T-Mobile should both have the Touch Pro 2 for $150-300 depending on where you order it with plans, if my guess is accurate.
Yea just checked out a video on it and it looks really nice, I'm currently on a prepaid month to month thingy with t-mobile but if I can score this phone for $200 or so with a new contract I might have too. However for the time being I might have to go pick up a Kaiser, they are half the price of the fuze used and although not as sexy still do everything I'm looking for.
Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Doesn't T-mobile use 1700mhz for 3g and 850 for edge/gprs? From what I've been reading the kaiser wont do 3g on T-mobile.
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Tmob uses 1700 & 2100 fro 3g (must have both)! Kaeser will not do tmob 3g!
Tmob edge uses 850...
Here's the TP2 new owner excitement forum section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
I have an HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) and I am contemplating flashing it...I have noticed that I can put new radio versions. I have looked up what a radio is but I just want to be 100% clear...IF I INSTALL A NEW RADIO ON MY PHONE DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT WILL HAVE THOSE 3G/4G BANDS? If so this is amazing, if not then what's the point when SuperCid will SIM unlock the phone?
*faceplam*
Radio updates are firmware updates like every other. You can't physically put more radios, or radios that work on different bands, or radios that work on different modulation, into the phone just using a CAB file.
Radio updates do things like improving the software drivers for the phone's radios (WiFi, Cellular, BlueTooth, and so forth), which may give you better data connections, fewer dropped calls, more seamless tower switching, or new purely-software features like tethering support. However, the bands that the phone can access are decided by the hardware present inside it.
Radios add to a phone's cost, which is why you see relatively few quad/quintuple-band phones; it's cheaper to just support the bands most used in the area (or on the carrier) that any given phone is meant to be sold in. An HD7 branded for TMoUS won't be able to use the 3G bands (and doesn't have *any* 4G radios) used by AT&T; the same is true of an AT&T HD7S on TMoUS.
As for why you would SIM-unlock in that case, there are a few reasons. For one, you can usually get EDGE (a late-2G tech, but much slower than 3G) on any given band the phone supports. For another, even with no data connection at all you can usually get voice and SMS on any GSM network. Finally, some networks *do* use the same 3G bands, so by sim-unlocking you can switch to those networks and get the same type of service you had before.
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Radios add to a phone's cost, which is why you see relatively few quad/quintuple-band phones; it's cheaper to just support the bands most used in the area (or on the carrier) that any given phone is meant to be sold in. An HD7 branded for TMoUS won't be able to use the 3G bands (and doesn't have *any* 4G radios) used by AT&T; the same is true of an AT&T HD7S on TMoUS.
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So adding radios to the phone makes it quad/quintuple-band phone? What I'm trying to understand is how you used "Radio but then translated it to the number of bands on a phone
Strictly speaking, it's probably only one physical radio device (although I don't know for sure), but there may be a couple of antennas... I'm not going to try explaining radio physics here, but it will suffice to say that for a phone to access more bands requires more investment in its radio hardware.
"Band" as used here is radio lingo for "a grouping of similar frequencies allocated to a single purpose" such as the 900MHz GSM cellular band, or the commercial broadcast AM band (which spans the frequency 900KHz - a factor of 1000 difference). If you're old enough, you probably remember analog TV broadcast, which included "VHF" and "UHF" bands.
Okay! That makes so much sense! Thanks for the clarification man!