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I guess it's all a matter of preference. I've always been a WinMo guy, and while I think iPhone is a sexy device, it's had too many stupid limitations. The 3GS has resolved many of them, so I've been considering it... but I still find the openness of the WinMo platform a lot more appealing. And it seems that Exchange integration is still by far the best in WinMo.
Now to the meat. I've had a few HTC devices (Tytn II/Kaiser was the last), before going with Samsung Epix (SGH-i907). Now the new device jitters are here again. I want a new WinMo device that's functional in all respects -- good screen, enough so to easily read the news, solid onscreen keyboard so I can use it one-handed, finger-friendly UI, great battery life... in other words, I am dreaming
I remember seeing Touch HD on the net and how upset I was that there was no version with US UMTS bands... What a great device it was (is). But alas, not for the US. Now I've been waiting for the TD2 (Topaz) and TP2 (Rhodium) to come out on AT&T's network in the US with bated breath. But little things bug me about these devices. TP2 seems phenomenal, but it's bulk, a 3.2MP camera, no 3.5mm audio jack, and battery life not significantly better than past devices take the excitement away. The TD2... no bulk issue, but why 3.2" instead of 3.6"? It would make sense since the on-screen keyboard is more important, and a bigger screen would make it more functional. Oh, and a smaller battery again, and no proximity sensor. Why??? That said, both devices are very appealing, and one of the main reasons is that I can always come to xda-developers and customize the heck out of them.
What about the others? There is a Pharos unit that seems similar, but I wouldn't trust it. The Toshiba TG01 has stellar specs, but from a few reviews I read: 1) the UI is nowhere near TouchFlow or Samsung's TouchWiz, 2) the battery life is not great, 3) the 4.1 screen makes it too large to be pocketable. And here's the kicker: in one hands-on review, they show poor (2-3 sec) time to rotate screen between portrait and landscape. Huh? 1Ghz CPU and you still can't get this right? Shame, Toshiba.
And in the last few days I came across Samsung Omnia II/i8000. The specs are phenomenal. I think Samsung got it right -- better than HTC here. Bigger screen and much better battery life (probably thanks to AMOLED screen) are the key points. TouchWiz UI has deep hooks into WinMo. Jackpot, Samsung. Or is it? Hmm, the only carrier that expects this phone in the US is Verizon, so no unit for us GSM-minded folks that like our 3G. And if my experience with the Epix is any indication, don't count on cooked ROMs or much customization ability, and don't expect a WinMo 6.5 update from Samsung any time soon... they take their time.
So many choices, yet no perfect one. And of course none of these are available in the US yet (Omnia II, TD2, TP2, TG01). When they do come, I am going to play with all of them before deciding. The Firestone... too far away, and may not come to the US. Superstar? Vaporware at present. But as of now, Omnia II just seems to be the closest thing to perfect, seems really ahead of the TD2 -- I might just jump to Verizon's CDMA for it. Drum roll, please
Anyone's got thoughts on the topic? Any news on when these devices are coming to the US? Would love to hear them. Let's stick to WinMo though, or the discussion will get unwieldy. Oh, and admin, this is about HTC devices (sort of), so I'd appreciate you not killing this thread
meanvulcan said:
I guess it's all a matter of preference. I've always been a WinMo guy, and while I think iPhone is a sexy device, it's had too many stupid limitations. The 3GS has resolved many of them, so I've been considering it... but I still find the openness of the WinMo platform a lot more appealing. And it seems that Exchange integration is still by far the best in WinMo.
Now to the meat. I've had a few HTC devices (Tytn II/Kaiser was the last), before going with Samsung Epix (SGH-i907). Now the new device jitters are here again. I want a new WinMo device that's functional in all respects -- good screen, enough so to easily read the news, solid onscreen keyboard so I can use it one-handed, finger-friendly UI, great battery life... in other words, I am dreaming
I remember seeing Touch HD on the net and how upset I was that there was no version with US UMTS bands... What a great device it was (is). But alas, not for the US. Now I've been waiting for the TD2 (Topaz) and TP2 (Rhodium) to come out on AT&T's network in the US with bated breath. But little things bug me about these devices. TP2 seems phenomenal, but it's bulk, a 3.2MP camera, no 3.5mm audio jack, and battery life not significantly better than past devices take the excitement away. The TD2... no bulk issue, but why 3.2" instead of 3.6"? It would make sense since the on-screen keyboard is more important, and a bigger screen would make it more functional. Oh, and a smaller battery again, and no proximity sensor. Why??? That said, both devices are very appealing, and one of the main reasons is that I can always come to xda-developers and customize the heck out of them.
What about the others? There is a Pharos unit that seems similar, but I wouldn't trust it. The Toshiba TG01 has stellar specs, but from a few reviews I read: 1) the UI is nowhere near TouchFlow or Samsung's TouchWiz, 2) the battery life is not great, 3) the 4.1 screen makes it too large to be pocketable. And here's the kicker: in one hands-on review, they show poor (2-3 sec) time to rotate screen between portrait and landscape. Huh? 1Ghz CPU and you still can't get this right? Shame, Toshiba.
And in the last few days I came across Samsung Omnia II/i8000. The specs are phenomenal. I think Samsung got it right -- better than HTC here. Bigger screen and much better battery life (probably thanks to AMOLED screen) are the key points. TouchWiz UI has deep hooks into WinMo. Jackpot, Samsung. Or is it? Hmm, the only carrier that expects this phone in the US is Verizon, so no unit for us GSM-minded folks that like our 3G. And if my experience with the Epix is any indication, don't count on cooked ROMs or much customization ability, and don't expect a WinMo 6.5 update from Samsung any time soon... they take their time.
So many choices, yet no perfect one. And of course none of these are available in the US yet (Omnia II, TD2, TP2, TG01). When they do come, I am going to play with all of them before deciding. The Firestone... too far away, and may not come to the US. Superstar? Vaporware at present. But as of now, Omnia II just seems to be the closest thing to perfect, seems really ahead of the TD2 -- I might just jump to Verizon's CDMA for it. Drum roll, please
Anyone's got thoughts on the topic? Any news on when these devices are coming to the US? Would love to hear them. Let's stick to WinMo though, or the discussion will get unwieldy. Oh, and admin, this is about HTC devices (sort of), so I'd appreciate you not killing this thread
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Well my only thought is that if you can disable the rotation animation and disable the Toshiba home screen, then the device would run super fast.
meanvulcan,
I'm in the same situation as you. I live in China and I've been waiting for the "perfect" phone to replace this summer my rubbish iPhone 2G.
3GS ? no thanx, I'm done with Apple experience.
HTC ? nothing good coming before end of the year (and I'm sick of the same HTC 528Mhz qualcomm / 3.2Mpix camera hardware plaform)
finally only new Samsung i8000 meets my requirements:
>3.5" screen with 480x800 resolution. AMOLED is a big plus here
Fast CPU (800Mhz is a good step above)
256MB RAM
Great UI (TouchWiz 2 looks good)
High capacity battery (1500maH is the best we can get now)
3.5mm Jack
Good browser with Java support (Samsung Dolphin got rave reviews until now)
descent >5Mpix camera (Samsung features, quality and UI are much better than HTC for example)
Well supported OS (Android or WinMo were mandatory)
Ability to "cook"
when you look at everything, finally the choice is none because only one device meets all criteria and that device is the Omnia II.
So if everything goes well, next week i will get my i8000 from Singapore or Hong Kong
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Well supported OS (Android or WinMo were mandatory)
Ability to "cook"
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Let me know how your Omnia II experience goes. I am not sure we are quite in the same boat... I don't have the option of buying from HK or Singapore if I want 3G, but that's life. Hardware vendors should really catch up. Now most GSM phones are quad band, so it doesn't matter where they come from, but almost none have 3 or quad band UMTS radios. Bastardos
When you say "ability to cook"... what do you mean? I've had a very different experience -- There is practically nothing out there to cook for Samsung SGH-i907, as I understand even i780 and i900 were a challenge to most.
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When you say "ability to cook"... what do you mean? I've had a very different experience -- There is practically nothing out there to cook for Samsung SGH-i907, as I understand even i780 and i900 were a challenge to most.
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in MoDaCo forum, there are roms available for Omnia (WinMo 6.5 with manila or spb3 and even Android !). So I expect custom i8000 roms available 3 to 6 months after official WinMo 6.5 update promised by Samsung
people are still stuck at this forum as there are still using htc devices only. but there are alot other forums are cooking for other branded pdas too just that alot ppl dont find it useful unless they have the device.
i must say, once a device model is popular, another forum will be setup for cooking the rom.
omnia 2 is has best spec so far compare with htc qualcomm-for-10-years spec.
How about an Android device? Quite a few of those coming out in 2009 from what I've heard. And you don't have to stick with HTC.
slick69 said:
How about an Android device? Quite a few of those coming out in 2009 from what I've heard. And you don't have to stick with HTC.
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Android is a nice and promising OS but actually it's far to be complete, especially on multimedia field (codecs, camera, video playing/recording) and hardware support (for example, you need to wait for 2.0 donut version to get 800x480 hi res panels support)
But I'm sure, when Android will mature and erase these lacks, it will be the best mobile OS
Omnia i8000, the best option
Hi.
I live in Spain. We have already the new Toshiba TG1. I think TG1 is too much big, and there are only a few aplications optimized for 4.1" screens. Actually, Winmo 6.1 icons are too small for TG1 screen. On the other hand, the TG1 battery life is very brief. I expect the new Omnia i800 available in a few weeks, to replace my old Kaiser.
carioco67 said:
Hi.
I live in Spain. We have already the new Toshiba TG1. I think TG1 is too much big, and there are only a few aplications optimized for 4.1" screens. Actually, Winmo 6.1 icons are too small for TG1 screen. On the other hand, the TG1 battery life is very brief. I expect the new Omnia i800 available in a few weeks, to replace my old Kaiser.
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Welcome to the xda forum! Let us know how you like the i800 after you get it...
Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
1) Screen - Big bring screen which should be a plus, but turned out to be a big minus. I find it too bright even when set to the lowest level. Also, because of it's brightness, the pixels are too obvious hence makes the originally very smooth fonts look pixelated.
2) Speed - I've sent the CPU speed to High, however, the widget pages transition is still very slow, i.e. Unlike Touch flo on HD, you have to slide and wait till the next screen shows up on the i8000. Same for the screen to show up after unlocking (resuming from standby).
3) UI - Many many loopholes and bugs. To name a few:
---Can't read exchange emails while set to Black Theme. Problems with font colour and background I guess. Other themes are fine.
---Sometimes there's no response when pressing the buttons in the mail/message widget
---Can't manage email folders when the Samsung UI is selected
---Disabling the Samsung UI on the Today Screen and selecting Messaging to show, while you select message to open in INBOX, it will automatically exits back to the Today Screen.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.
Guys
dont get hungup on processor speed. You cannot compare them easily and definitly not across diferent CPU manufacturers.
As for you i8000 experience, sorry to hear its so crap The Omnia range has an excellent reputation and i was seriously impressed with my 16gig Omnia. I would like to hope that Samsung will be very aggressive with the firmware updates on the new Omnias as they were with the older Omnias. Maybe you should visit the VERY usefull omnia.modaco.com, the guys there may be able to help you. As I said, Samsung have released many firmware upgrades for the older model, so fingers crossed, you should be ok in a month or soo...
Btw, my omnia (although now sitting in a draw as I have an acer m900) is running 6.5 very well.
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Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.
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Better a negative, honest opinion than a positive, false opinion.
I'm beginning to become a huge fan of Samsung devices (always great specs and design) and I was actually serious looking at another Samsung device which is very similar to the i8000: The B7610. If the experience may turn out to be as bad as the i8000, then frankly, I would rather just get the Omnia HD.
By the way, you might want to head over to Modaco. They were pretty great with Omnia i900 ROMs and may come out with a new ROM for the i8000 in the future. Unfortunately, though, they aren't really as active as the HTC community.
Link: http://www.modaco.com/category/410/i8000-omnia-ii-http-i8000-modaco-com/
pamburger said:
Got the i8000 yesterday. Very disappointed with the UI. I am writing this based on my experience with HTC HD, Diamond 2.
1) Screen - Big bring screen which should be a plus, but turned out to be a big minus. I find it too bright even when set to the lowest level. Also, because of it's brightness, the pixels are too obvious hence makes the originally very smooth fonts look pixelated.
2) Speed - I've sent the CPU speed to High, however, the widget pages transition is still very slow, i.e. Unlike Touch flo on HD, you have to slide and wait till the next screen shows up on the i8000. Same for the screen to show up after unlocking (resuming from standby).
3) UI - Many many loopholes and bugs. To name a few:
---Can't read exchange emails while set to Black Theme. Problems with font colour and background I guess. Other themes are fine.
---Sometimes there's no response when pressing the buttons in the mail/message widget
---Can't manage email folders when the Samsung UI is selected
---Disabling the Samsung UI on the Today Screen and selecting Messaging to show, while you select message to open in INBOX, it will automatically exits back to the Today Screen.
Sorry that my observations are also so negatives.
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I can imagine your disappointment for the performance. As I can see from the reviews and videos Samsung has made huge UI change. Many Samsung made application covering aged WinMo platform. Therefore I thing in the beginning the UI and performance will have issues. However I do thing Samsung will continue working on those and release new updates. Latest when WinMo6.5 will be official then you will have better performance. Meanwhile have you consider to using SPB Shell?? That might give you better performance with that processor
hi all
I to am looking for a new device i currently have the kaiser which is an awsome peice of kit made even better by all the support here @ xda. thanx ya`ll.
My main requirements are simlar to the mean vulcan`s with aditional requirement being that i need a better camera, one with a flash. I have an old cyber shot for work use and the camera is great but have to use my own phone when accessing the internet and would prefer just one device to lug about. So ive been looking at the new xpeiras that are on the way and they look good and have a decent spec on them but with no release date i dont think i can wait that long. Sony Ericson have the Aino and Astio on the way out but are relatively new to touch screen phones so i am dubious as to there performance. I would prefer to stick with a htc device mainly because of the support for customization here is 1st rate but have seen nothing of a new release that meets my high standards i have set for my next phone. So im still confused about what to do....
the omina 2 does look good though
My 3rd day with i8000. Struggling to get rid of it and it's totally because of its stupid UI. I must say, there's nothing wrong with the hardware, it got everything I need, cam with flash, good cpu, gps, tv out, big screen, good size....BUT the UI is very very disappointing. It feels like I am back to the Touch Diamond time, great hardware but poor UI, the UI made it so slow that you will keep thinking why the hell you bought the phone.
Maybe someone can teach me how to get rid of the Samsung UI completely and go back to basic WM6.1. I tried SPB shell, however, the shortcuts or application launch just brings me to Samsung customised applications. (They have gone really deep to customise the essential apps, e.g. Contact, Calendar and Messaging). I am most frustrated about not being able to get it to sync with other folders other than INBOX and DELETED.
It's not how the UI looks but rather how well it works. If you are looking for a phone that you can rely on, then I think you'd better wait until there's an rom update.
Thank you all for your suggestions, I will head over to modaco to see what other say about it
pamburger, You have mentioned that you had the HTC HD before. Would you mind please to give a comparison (hardware and software, Quality of the device etc) between HD and SAMSUNG? Until now I have own only HTC devices and never had experience with Samsung. It Is not that I think HTC is good but I don’t know how bad is the others
Therefore I am struggling little bit to take the safety and go with HD or take unknown ground and take the Samsung
Samsung i8000 vs Touch HD
1. Size and controls: i8000 is narrower than the HD hence easier one hand operation. I prefer hardware button over touch sensitive button, therefore i8000 is better. i8000 also has the back button and camera button which HD lacks.
2. Screen: i8000 is definitely brighter than the HD (at least 30%). However, because of this, the pixels are very obvious. On the contrarary, I find HD's screen displaying images a lot finer.
3. UI: I am sorry that I hate the i8000 UI. It seems to me that customisation of the UI has not been done thoroughly, leaving some part heavily customised while some very dull. Having said that, I know it's unfair to say i8000's UI is poorly customisation since Touch Flo is on V3 now. Maybe the next Samsung UI will improve. I have yet to find out a way to disable the Samsung UI so to get the WM6.1 back. Whereas for HD, all you need to do is to disable TouchFlo, and you will get WM6.1 back. Also, i8000 UI is not as responsive then Touch Flo. Expect to slide your finger, and wait for the next screen. Finally, the widgets on i8000 is nice to have.
4. Battery: i8000's battery is very good. With CPU power set to high, constant websurfing, checking emails, sms, and 40mins 3G talk time, the batt last almost 2days. HD's battery life as good only after flashing custom rom.
5. Camera and TV-out: i8000's camera is very efficient compared to the out of the box version of the HD. I love the LED flash which HD doesn't have. I've also heard people complaining that the HD doesn't have TV-out, but since I don't use it, I am not so sure about its significance.
6. Software that doesn't work with my i8000: CE-star (chinese software which you might not need), Advance Config.
7. Very personal: The price of HD should be very reasonable by now. If I were to choose between HD and i8000 now (assuming that I haven't used the HD before), I will definitely go for HD.
Reason 1: Cheaper
Reason 2: Better customer support
Reason 3: More roms to flash and a very helpful XDA-Developers community
Reason 4: Stableness
HTC TD2 vs TP2 vs Omina II vs Others
On my opinion from the competitors I would choose TP2 definetly and will add Toshiba TG01 for sure!
TP2
I like: General design, one the best keyboards on new devices and it´s great screen.
Dislike: No improvements on processor and no 3.5mm Jack
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Tosh
I like: Greater screen, very powerfull processor, slimer
Dislike: NO KEYBOARD, no 3.5mm jack (As far as I have heard)
Just my 2 pesos...
I got the Toshiba TG01, and damn, thats a very fast one!
No 3.5mm jack, I REALLY don`t care about that. I just use the headset!
On that screen rotation slowness: There are still people that have automatic screen rotation enabled? I hate it when my phone changes rotation all the time, so I applied it to a button!
Hi,
I am looking to replace my MDA Compact IV with either the HTC HD2 or the Toshiba TG01 or iPhone 3GS.
I have not really seen either of these phones properly, but have read reviews online.
Does anyone have any views on which is the better phone??
I have thown the iPhone in as a comparison, but would rather stick with a WM based phone.
right off the back i say the hd2 its packing a 1gz snapdragon processor. switching from the iphone and going to the hd2 u well be please. It basically the touch pro 2 with out a keyboard but the tp2 is packing a 512mb processor.
But i say get the HD2 ur getting a fast phone, better cam, look better and you can tweak your phone etc. idk it the shi lol
DONT GET THE TOSHIBA TG01!!!
I sold mine after only a few weeks, here are the problems i found after upgrading to windows mobile 6.5
1) the funky home screen stopped moving in 3D and only kinds slid across the screen
2) the g-sensor is crap somtimes u turn the phone and nothing happens, then you turn it back and it will quickly flick from landsacape to portrait
3) programs stored on the SD card, the icons would disapear after a soft reset, only leaving the generic blue and white .exe icon in there place
4)the phone is 2 thin and thus the sylus cannot be house in the housing like a htc device making it awfull to use, always saying to ur mates "DID U SEE WHERE I PUT MY STYLUS" lol
5) in landscape mode the wm start menu looks awfull and only takes up the middle section of the screen
6)there are black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, you dont notice when using a pitch black theme like "htc black//0 but use a colourful one and it looks like the top bar has dropped down a bit and it very annoying lol
i could prob remember more if you gave me a minute lol GET THE HTC HD 2
BeEazy10 said:
right off the back i say the hd2 its packing a 1gz snapdragon processor. switching from the iphone and going to the hd2 u well be please. It basically the touch pro 2 with out a keyboard but the tp2 is packing a 512mb processor.
But i say get the HD2 ur getting a fast phone, better cam, look better and you can tweak your phone etc. idk it the shi lol
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the tgo1 has the 1gig snapdragon processor too, it only has 288mb of ram compaired to the hd 2's 512mb
Thanks for the replies, looks like it will be the HD2 then given the responses.
Does anyone know what the battery life is like on the HD2 as I can only get approx 2 days from my current MDA compact IV (Diamond Touch) which is really annoying.
Also, now my mda is out of contract, may have a go at changing the rom. Which are the best roms for it??
Don't know if it is of any importance for you but TG01 has USB host and it was confirmed that mouse, keyboards and gamepads work very well with it. Don't know about flash drives though.
BEERMONSTER! said:
Thanks for the replies, looks like it will be the HD2 then given the responses. Does anyone know what the battery life is like on the HD2 as I can only get approx 2 days from my current MDA compact IV (Diamond Touch) which is really annoying.
Also, now my mda is out of contract, may have a go at changing the rom. Which are the best roms for it??
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Check out XDA's Leo HD2 section of the forum. It has all the answers, info, & detailed threads for you...
BTW, I highly recommend the Leo!
HD2. no doubt
I can't have an opinion on the TG01, as I have not tried it. I own an iphone 3GS and recently replaced a touch HD with touch HD2.
The HD2 is, by far, superior to any phone I ever used. I have been with ETEN, and HTC for over 4 years, and iphone since the first generation. The [email protected] is the one. On any given category- it's a winner.
Screen is amazing. Capacitive (multi finger) like the iphone, but resolution is much better and 4.3" is a killer screen. GPS apps are killing the iphone in any comparison. Don't get fooled by 85,000 apps on the apple store. 84,850 of them will have no use for you, and the ones that are- you will find WM app that does the same.
Compatibility with Exchange server and outlook (actually all office apps) - HD2 wins big time again.
Keyboard- HD2 again. though the iphone is about the same, the HD2 has a wide screen. It helps a lot.
Reception - it's a phone after all - HD2 wins again (on AT&T network in the US). sound is crystal clear.
CPU speed- HD2 wins again. The snapdragon is a monster.
Battery life - OK, you can't win them all. The iphone has a better battery life, BUT I have two batteries and the HD2 wins again (with a cheat). Can't have the iphone battery out that easy.
BT - the HD2 wins again with great stereo that the 3GS can dream of having.
Music - no need for the stupid itune app. For me, it was annoying. I have 2 laptops and could never have itunes work right for me because you need to work around syncing your device. Not to mention I had hard time moving purchased songs from the ipod to the phone. You need to beg apple folks to support you after you have already paid. with the HD2 you simply put the MP3 on the SD card and you are done.
SD card- HD2 wins big time with 32G support, and replaceable cards. iphone is 16G at best and that's about it.
Camera- Until the HD2 I was thinking iphone has a great camera. Boy how wrong i could be. The HD2 with a dual LED flash wins again. Just make sure to have the camera bug fixed with a cab install and it is winning again.
Lastly- HTC is the Mercedes-Benz of phones. Apple came up with a great device but HTC eventually came out with a better one. Toshiba? Great TV sets, no doubts, but phones? They are far behind, IMO...
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but phones? They are far behind, IMO...
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Keep in mind the HD2 came out a fair while after the TG01... I don't know if it's really fair to say Toshiba is behind, if anything HTC was behind for a little while in terms of hardware...
But of course right now I would say HD2 is the way to go...
Toshiba is old. I'd get an HD2!
I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!
Stick with the best: HTC & Android!
galaxys said:
Stick with the best: HTC & Android!
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HTC hasnt really proven to me that they are the best, lol
Go for Hero!!
Just thinking to use blackberry OS make me sick...
HTC as any other company has it's bad times but they deliver great quality products.
Also XDA great support to HTC devices is a plus to consider
Just my opinion
Get Nexus One
raven2000 said:
Get Nexus One
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Not an option.
Wond3r said:
I've never owned a BB.
I want a reliable phone that will last me at least 2 years.
note: I take good care of my phones
Storm 2 + for me:
Blackberry messenger, since everyone seems to have it
CAMERA FLASH!!
Battery Life?
BBs are supposed to be reliable right?
Big screen
comes with a big memory card
Android + for me:
the Android OS is fast!
Customizable home screen
5mp camera ( no flash... basically cant take pictures at night)
The size of it
Huge app market, growing
Concerns :
how reliable the surepress of the Storm2 is. Will it crap out on me in a year?
HTC reliablility. I currently own a HTC Touch Diamond and it hasnt been too reliable. But I might fault that to windows mobile and mainly the resistive screen. The screen seems to have problems. But then again, the Hero and S2 both have capacitive screens so thats huge in terms of reliability for me (not sure about surepress though).
ps. I dont like hardware keyboards, they arent comfortable for me to type on.
I'm not a heavy e-mailer.
I want a fun and reliable phone.
Suggestions? Thanks!
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Blackberry non-touch phones are reliable. Don't know about the Storm series.
HTC Hero, unlike HTC Diamond has better virtual keybaord, better touch screen, better speed performance.
Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
HTC Hero OS and Homescreen: I don't like android, it's still a todler. (NO POINTS)
As you can see, the Blackberry failed to win in any of the categories you mentioned. It only managed to sort of tie with the HTC Hero. But this is my opinion.
Also, both phones suck, and HTC Hero generated too much hype.
I am looking forward to these phones: Blackberry Bold 9700, HTC Nexus, HTC HD2.
Now comparing HTC to BBS2: The memory card should not be a PRO because you are better comparing the performance of the phone, and not the external goodies that your seller provides. (TIE)
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I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
Android does have more programs (I think). Black Berry messenger, depends who where you are and depends on your friends. (Honestly different friends equates to different messengers). My friends in Michigan all used Windows Messenger on the PC. My friends in California use yahoo messenger on the PC. The messenger app, is your choice. Besides you might even find a blackberry messenger program that could work on the HTC Hero. (HTC Wins)
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I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
Camera: 5 Megapixels w/o flash vs 3 Megapizels w/ flash (TIE)
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You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Screen Size: Don't be a fool, both screens are approximately the same size. Look at the specs, there is only a .5 inch difference. Not a deal breaker. Can't believe that you said it had a "BIG" screen when you compare it to a phone with a screen almost just as big. (TIE)
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Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Reliability: Storm 2 online support, good but not super technical. HTC Hero online support, very awesome and full of techie people. Storm 2 OS out of the box is reliable I guess. And so is the HTC Hero. But remember that a phone that works with 3rd party software (HTC Hero) becomes very buggy. (HTC Hero Wins).
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Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
HTC Hero Size: WTF? You buy a phone just because it's small? Dude, buy a phone because it works. Also, I can fit an HD2 in my pocket it had a 4.5 inch screen, stop acting like it can't fit in your pocket. Why are people complaining that it doesn't fit when it literally fits, and my pants have small pockets!!!! (NO POINTS)
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"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)
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I'm also comparing the deal I get for the money paid to my cell phone provider.
I think there are more BB apps, since android is still a "toddler" . And do you know what BBM is? It has nothing to do with Windows live or yahoo. With BBM, its almost a text message but its sent through RIM's network directly to another BB device with no delay, and I can also see if the person has read the message or not. It was a variant to text messaging, HTC does not and will not have anything like that. There is also no limit to the number of characters you can type. You dont need to have BBM "running" as it is not an app, it is part of a blackberry device.
You cant see anything with a 5mp camera at night time if it has no flash. It can be 100mp. 3.2 still provides good quality and it can be used at any time of day/night with no problems.
Um the pluses for each of these phones arent compared to each other, I am simply stating the pluses of each phone individually. The screen IS bigger, and bigger than my Diamond as well. Since the screen IS bigger and they are both capacitive and both display the same number of colours, BB wins. If we're comparing the SIZE of a screen, and one is bigger, how can it be a tie?
Im talking about the reliablity of the HARDWARE. BB has been known to have VERY reliable phones. HTC... not so much, and I own an HTC so I know. But the Hero may be different since its new.
"DUDE" I dont believe I ever mentioned that the phone "cant fit" in my pocket. I said the size is a PLUS because it is thin ...
(lol at HTC HD2 ... forget windows mobile 6.5. We can talk when they release WM7 with capacitive screens and multitouch)
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lol my last comment about the HD2 was done out of spite to the people who hate huge phones.
If I were you, I would definitely go with the Hero, or maybe even wait for the Hero's successor, the Legend (supposedly released March 2010, look at the sticky called "HTC Portfolio 2010" at the top of this subforum for more info). Android is very fast, fun, and customizable OS. In addition, there's a huge community supporting the device here at XDA-Developers, if you're interested in hacking it to the fullest. I haven't heard horrible things about the Storm/Storm II, but I've never heard good things about them either. If it were me in this situation, I would go for the Hero without a doubt.
I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.
I honestly don't own either phone, and have never ventured into Android land. However, I have tried both a Storm and a Storm II... and as for the Storm I felt it to be well... antiquated - when it came out mind you. The Storm II addressed many of the issues with the Storm, but it is a Blackberry that is touch screen. BB has not had a whole lot of experience with touch screens and it shows in their interface, it just felt... well poorly planned. I cannot comment on the Hero, but am eager to try one hah
I hope that kind of helped!
Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.
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Hero definitely, the only thing that can even come close to an Android phone is the iPhone, and it falls short for me every time.
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Come close in what sense though?
The Storm2 will be $100 more expensive for me. But I do get that 16gb sd card, camera flash, and BB reliabilty.
Hero, $100 cheaper, can surf the web away from wifi (will have a small data plan, would only have a social plan on the BB but I would use wifi when needed), ANDROID . .. but not sure on how much it would last me.
Before I bought my HD2, the Blackberry Storm has been my mobile phone for 13 month.
I don't know Android, besides some playing around, but my experience with the blackberry:
The first version (9500/9530) had many problems, mostly because of software flaws. After one year of developement it is now very usable. The built quality seems to be even better on the new device (Storm 2).
If you want to have a phone that simply works, take the Blackberry. There are no software problems, it always does what you expect. With BIS/BES Service for instant mails, the battery will last 3 days. But there is only a small amount of software available for Blackberrys. If you want a phone to play around with, try one with android.
Greetings from Germany and sorry for my bad english...
Sebastian
You're english is fine actually! And thank you for your input. I'm wondering if I could play around with a Storm 2 as well.
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I looked up the specs of the Legend. The current specs of it wont even work with my provider. I'm soo stuck. The flash on the BB is big for me so I can take pictures whenever. But the interface and function of Android seems more refined. I havent had a good experience with my HTC and I dont know if they have upped their quality. You cant really tell from the hero because it hasnt been out too long but BB is known for the reliable builds of their phones.
Its really tough. Its a big investment for me and I need to know I'll have whichever phone for a while.
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HTC Hero Build Quality is better than Diamond I think. But It's not based on my usage experience, thought I've used the Diamond before. I think, in the U.S. atleast, that the HTC Hero is for higher-end consumers, and the Diamond was a very introductory device that meant to showcase Touch FLO3D. It was the first phone that had that interface, I think.
Diamond is not on-par to HTC Hero. But I tell you this, the HTC Xperia X1 was a fiasco and the build quality is really terrible. I bought this phone for 900 U.S. dollars, and ended up selling it heavily used and scratched for 250.
Considering that at that time, a high end device produced a year or two later had a build quality as crappy as a Diamond and from the same manufacturer, you might think that the Hero is very flimsy.
But you must also consider that the Xperia X1 was also a Sony Ericsson phone. It was built by HTC, but most likely designed or supervised by Sony Ericsson. Now the Xperia X1 is literally an experiment by Sony Ericsson as well as the Diamond an experiment by HTC. To tell you the truth, Sony Ericsson, prior to the production of the Xperia X1, was very inexperienced in the smartphone industry. Sony Ericsson are used to designing and selling walkmans (low-end software phones) and very flashy but very useless phones. But the point is that Xperia X1 was their first phone on THIS CATEGORY (THE SMARTPHONE), and that since it was their first phone, they are likely to mess up on the first try.
Considering that the Diamond was an experimental and introductory Touch FLO3D Phone, it should have been crappy. Now you are right to think that the Diamond was not HTC's first smartphone. But put into context the other aspects. 1) The diamond-like design that HTC had never done before and 2) the Touch FLO3D might originally be reflected by the external, physical design.
HTC Hero has been out for awhile now. But personally I hate HTC Hero and Storm 2. If I were to get an HTC budget phone, it would be the Nexus (based on everyone saying it has a good price for it's value), or the BlackBerry Bold 9700 (because I'm a keyboard lover).
But as for the reliable build of BlackBerries, my sister's BlackBerry Curve is scratched everywhere and lost all of its silver plastic chrome finish. But as for software, I don't think you should worry about issues on these phones.
But as for real software (especially the ones you intend on paying 50 bucks for), get the HTC Hero.
If your friends are all using BBM then really, you need a Blackberry. BBM is one of the main reasons behind the constant increase in device sales for RIM.
The Storm 1 was poor when it came out but after a year of fixes it was okay. The Storm 2 was good from the day it launched. However you really need to try that keyboard again and again to decide if you are happy with the click feature.
Personally I don't think much of the Hero: Small screen, slowish CPU, decent RAM, stupid chin that makes it bigger than it should be. I'm not sure how the Hero compares to the Storm 2 in terms of battery life but the Storm 2 has the bigger battery and Blackberries generally have decent battery life.
I don't know which country you're in or which network you're on but you have to remember that you'll need to have a Blackberry service package as part of your contract. With some networks this will be instead of the normal Data Package and it will also include data and with others you will need it in addition to the normal Data Package if you want to browse the web, etc.
I'm considering the Storm 2 as an option if the HD2 doesn't pan out.
I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.
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I just got back from the store and tested both phones out.
The Hero does seem like it is built very well (keep in mind, when holding in hand, so does my Diamond) but I found it hard to type on the small screen.
You might say that my Diamond has a smaller screen, which it does, but due to my resistive screen, I use my finernails basically and amd very quick and accurate ... you cant use your fingernails on a capacitive screen.
When I flipped to landscape, the typing was a bit better.
Storm2 .. the typing was muchhhh easier.
but the Anroid interface was very snappy, very nice.
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Oh yeah, about the typing. I'm not a fan of touch screen typing and the Storm 2 is better for typing. I don't think it's that the screen is small but that there is no tactile feedback (aside from phone vibrate). In fact buttons on screens are usually bigger then physical buttons.
I'm not sure if someone has done a thread like this before but I wanted to know your personal experiences on these 3 devices:
1. N900
2. HD2
3. Nexus 1
Only comment if you own the phones and list what you like or don't like about it. Thanks
I have the n900. It is pretty bad ass. I love the multitasking and flash web browsing. I can access sites like justin.tv with no problems. One thing that is lacking is the amount of good apps available. Which is normal considering its still early in its stages. But with flash, anything that available in apps, I can get from a website. I still prefer apps though. Having android withdrawls after recently dropping my g1. The n900 made a great companion to the G1. I now plan to get the N1 when I am availble for upgrade and use that in companion with the n900.
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I've had the N900 since it was released. It is an amazing device, but it has quite a few limitations. I was a previous HTC TYTN II owner and a soon to be Touch Pro2 owner. I am thinking about switching to the Touch Pro2 and selling my N900 for a couple of reasons. The N900 is an extremely powerful device with a ton of potential. However, with MeeGo coming out, slow firmware updates, etc. I am not sure that it is the best choice over the HD2 or Nexus One.
Limitations From my POV (reasons I may switch back to WM)
-Sync with Google/Ovi is incomplete/not working unless you use a 3rd party solution
-Landscape only!!! This can get really annoying while doing things such as driving
-Limited app selection - Missing MANY important things: Google Maps is a good example (Ovi Maps isn't very good)
-Maybe not a true smartphone? - The built-in PIM functions feel really limited in scope when compared to WM and S60 (not sure about android)
-Keyboard is OK, but it is a bit cramped - it doesn't slide out very far and it only has 3 rows
-Expensive ~$500 - You can find a Touch Pro2 for as low as $275 or less if you shop around
-The hardware inside is amazing and it 'looks' nice, but the casing feels average if not somewhat cheap for such an expensive device
Other things to think about
-Maemo browser is amazing, but Opera 10 for WM is pretty much just as good, w/ the exception of Flash
-Maemo has a great interface and multi-tasking
-automatic application updates and a good amount of free applications that are centrally located (easy to find)
-N900 has 32GB built in - although 16GB cards and soon 32GB cards will be available soon
-N900's Camera and screen are amazing
Basically what it comes down to is that the N900 has AMAZING hardware specs and performs well, but Maemo is really incomplete and its future on the N900 is unknown with MeeGo coming up. Also don't forget to factor in limited application selection and sync abilities (syncML doesn't exist OTA on N900).
EDIT: I forgot to add, that I guess the main deciding factor in me choosing the Touch Pro2 may have been cost as well. Its hard to carry around something so expensive, worrying about messing it up or losing it. Swapping phones w/ TP2 would save me ~$250. If I were you I'd choose the Nexus One as Android really is looking to be the big future platform to compete with iPhone, but this phone is somewhat expensive as well.
you like carrying around two phones? I hate it, and when I don't use one of my other phones I miss it. I have a HTC Touch HD WM 6.5, NOkia E71 (my love) and just ordered n900. I'm hoping n900 pleases me, if not then I'll go for N1.
Does the n900 lag? someone told me that when you have multiple sms's going, the internet, and music it lags and skips and what not. I hope this isn't the case. I like the actual keyboard, which is one of the main reasons I'm getting it, but I also like N1s voice activated sms and etc. I guess I'll just wait and see!
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It has a tiny tiny amount of lag when switching programs and all that but its nothing bad at all considering the abilities of the phone (n900).
But I only plan on carrying one device at a time. I just got the touch pro2 so once I decide which to keep I'll sell the other.
well if you're ever interested in the HTC touch HD running WM 6.5 let me know I'm trying to sell mine
I'm very happy with the Nexus One...it rocks! See it's forum section for full details & advantages.
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you like carrying around two phones? I hate it, and when I don't use one of my other phones I miss it. I have a HTC Touch HD WM 6.5, NOkia E71 (my love) and just ordered n900. I'm hoping n900 pleases me, if not then I'll go for N1.
Does the n900 lag? someone told me that when you have multiple sms's going, the internet, and music it lags and skips and what not. I hope this isn't the case. I like the actual keyboard, which is one of the main reasons I'm getting it, but I also like N1s voice activated sms and etc. I guess I'll just wait and see!
Thanks for your input
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I don't mind carrying around two phones. One is for regular calls and the other is for "business" calls (got to keep the feds off me! ). As for lag, I have not noticed it. I've ran multiple web pages with flash video, AIM, app manager, internet radio and took photos all at the same time with no lag.
I simply loooove the n900!!!
If you want the Nexus One, I suggest you to wait for HTC Desire, it's the HTC version of Nexus One, expect if you love the nexus one design.
PS: N900!
Ever since I spent a huge chunk of money on getting my HD shipped to the US I've been a bit disappointed with it. I'm also slowly becoming disenchanted with Windows Mobile.
I've played around with my fiance's iPhone and I'm not too impressed with that either.
So Android seems like the next big adventure for me to dive into! Especially since I can get a Captivate for $90 with a new contract. Hard to pass that up. Sure beats spending $700 or whatever it was that I spent getting this unlocked Blackstone. *sigh*
I've seen many threads here stating pros and cons, often times with conflicting accounts from different users. The biggest complaints I see are the GPS issue and the lack of Froyo. Well, I could care less about GPS, and I'm pretty confident that Froyo will arrive sooner or later from either Samsung or the geniuses in this community.
So does anyone have any experience of moving from the Touch HD to this phone? Was it like having an epiphany or just a ho-hum upgrade?
How about going from WinMo to Android? I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and experiment with new things. I've tried so many ROMs and apps on my HD that I think that won't be an issue.
I upgraded from an HTC Fuze. Here are my thoughts:
WinMo is slow, ugly as butt (including most of the blackberry "look alike" roms), people care way too much about touch features even tho the screen is designed for a stylus, horrible mobile browsing, zero apps i care about, and its a dead platform.
Android, I can back because its fast, actively developed, I can actually develop an app for it without going through microsoft's embedded framework or god forbid win32, interface is modern and usable, looks amazing without the god awful ugly roms, etc.
All in all I should have upgraded sooner, the HTC Fuze is a pile of yesterdays garbage and the Captivate has my full praise.
To provide an alternative viewpoint (some fo these problems are captivate some _might_ be android)
The captivate for one reason or another fails with fundamental tasks that WinMo has done for ages, custom ringtones, copy / paste an address from email (not gmail) to an appointment, heck copy / paste an appointment. GPS...sigh...uninstalling messaging leaves the system playing two ringtones for each sms. Synching of contacts / calendar / tasks that are NOT gmail...USB connections to back ports only...And coming from an HD, having Sense....I feel like I have taken a huge step backwards.
Now on to what I like...the captivate has a stunning display, runs fast and I am sure the android platform will outlast winmo and has or will have a larger developer base. It is the future (This is the reason upgraded). Handcent sms. And eventually the HUGE oversights on this phone will be fixed by the people here. I'll just have to buy another $50 to $100 in widgets that came with my HD.
All in all I dont regret my decision, I just wonder if it was pre-mature.
I went from a Touch HD to Touch HD2 to the Captivate and I am quite happy with the decision. I do miss the larger screen and ability to use my ps3 controller for games and emulators. I also miss the ability to use a stylus when I so desire. However, I feel that the decision was wise because the captivate has a beautiful screen and performance definitely blows winmo out of the water. Also, winmo 6.5 and below is pretty much a dead OS now anyways. The graphics performance of the captivate also blows the HD and HD2 out of the water. I am sure the captivate will only get better when 2.2 is inevitably released.
I cannot comment on the GPS problems because I have not used GPS. And even with the "lag" that the captivate experiences in comparison to some other android phones, it is completely unnoticeable in comparison to WinoMo. The device flies.
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I have had many windows mobile devices in my life time. Also had the Touch HD and the HD2 along with the Fuze, Tilt 2 etc.
I absolutely love my Samsung Captivate. It's about time that Samsung stepped up there game and made a device to gloat about. Though I still have my HD2 and that by far is the best windows mobile device bar non. The screen size difference between the HD2 and the Captivate is negligible. 4.3" to 4" is not that big of difference because the AMOLED screen is amazing to look at. In my opinion even better than the iPhone 4 screen.
As far as the GPS. I don't have any issues with it. I use GPS test (from the marketplace) and I am able to get a signal lock in about 5-10 seconds when I am outside no problem. This is without making any changes to the GPS or doing the so called GPS fix.
I know that I read on engadget about Samsung says there is a "fix" for the GPS in the near future. In my opinion Samsung is looking out for the customer more than HTC is.
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Samsung is looking out for the customer more than HTC is.
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I concur.
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I love my captivate so much that if i could, i would marry it =D
i bumped up from a fuze. Getting this phone was like clearing up a life long constipation.
Awesome, thanks for the insight everyone. Including some downsides. They definitely don't seem like deal breakers for me though.
I'm sure there are other people on the fence too, so maybe this will tip them to one side or the other.
I would also like to add that I was quite surprised with the different camera modes. The low light shots look really great. I was personally never a fan of LED flashes on phones anyways (besides being a ridiculously good flashlight on my HD2).
I switched from the htc hd to iphone 3gs and now the captivate. The best thing about the touch hd that the other phones cannot beat in my opinion was the gps. It would get a lock very quickly due to the sirfstar iii chip in the phone and would rarely lose lock no matter what speed I was traveling at.
The iphone is the best for game apps since it has more developers and therefore more choices in the app store.
I missed the big screen of my touch hd and wanted better quality which is why I got the captivate. Compare the touch hd video playback to one on the iphone or captivate and you'll see that the touch hd is more washed out due to the 65k limit.
In my opinion android is kind of like windows mobile where you have chefs cooking different roms and the ability to customize all parts of your phone to make it better than it was stock. The iphone allows something like this as well but makes it more difficult as everything is on cydia and doesn't have a well known forum like xda to turn to for help (but then mb I never looked hard enuf)
Basically the captivate feels more of an upgrade from my touch hd than my iphone
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