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Wich one you prefer and why?
G1 highlights: Android OS
HD highlights: Super 3.8" screen
A good video comparative (Page it´s in spanish): http://www.xataka.com/2008/09/24-htc-touch-hd-y-t-mobile-g1-en-video
G1: Android and Capacitive Touchscreen, along with hardware keyboard
HD: Superior Processing power, WM Customizability, AT&T (maybe) release, and styling. I really wish it had a capacitive touchscreen though.
any ETA on the HD yet? and is it gonna be affordable..to us "commoners" ?
or am i gonna have to dip into my 401k for this sucker?
and am i the only one who thinks the 480x800 WGVA, and 5MP cam is the sweetest thing since sliced bread?
Why is there always a competition thread between phones? The G1 is supposed to be a start for google. . . . and it didn't do so well. Whats next a HD vs iPhone?
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. and it didn't do so well. Whats next a HD vs iPhone?
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Well said mate, agree!!
See Iphone vs. Omnia vs. HD here!: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
It´s amazing!
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Not even a fair contest the iphonie would be left in the dust...
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Lol. . . If its as stable as they put it then the iPhone has competition. . .
There is one question that has got me stumped. . how would I play dpad games? V-Dpad? Like we saw on the newest review? Since there is so much space, would that be the case?
orb3000 said:
Well said mate, agree!!
See Iphone vs. Omnia vs. HD here!: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
It´s amazing!
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yuppi i want the blackstone asap. you cant compare htc phones to other brands. iphone is definatelly the worst thing you want to get. omnia is ok but it is samsung i am not a big fan of samsung mobiles. htc the best thing you can get although support from htc is rubbish. but we have this beautifull website in here to help.
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yuppi i want the blackstone asap. you cant compare htc phones to other brands. iphone is definatelly the worst thing you want to get. omnia is ok but it is samsung i am not a big fan of samsung mobiles. htc the best thing you can get although support from htc is rubbish. but we have this beautifull website in here to help.
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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What will the Apple fanboys bash? The fact that it runs on WM? Yes, but at least everyone will acknowledge it's failings instead of pretending everything's rosy in the garden like all Apple "enthusiasts" do!
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What will the Apple fanboys bash? The fact that it runs on WM? Yes, but at least everyone will acknowledge it's failings instead of pretending everything's rosy in the garden like all Apple "enthusiasts" do!
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I never said it didn't have flaws. . . .
Thats prabably one of the targets . . lol
I know, the lack of a real keyboard and D-Pad will be a pain, no multitouch, and no complete tactile feedback(latest pre-pro features bottom touch sensetive buttons with tactile feedback). . .there are some others but whats the fun of finding the flaws, then it makes the phone less "wantable" and then we expect to much out of HTC. . .
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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I actually agree with Tito here. I'm no fan of iPhone. But you have to give credit to where it's due. iPhone has dominated the American market, not so much the European or Asian markets. You can say that has to do with Apple ability to strike better deals with Phone Service Providers, but you also have to acknowledge that Apple has found themselves a niche market, the portable multimedia market, and has managed to be the frontrunners on that market.
iPhone is essentially a multimedia phone and for it's main purpose, it is "awesome" so to speak and so far WM based devices has struggled to compete with iphone on that front, despite WM more functionability.
The fact that HTC has launched HTC Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Diamond, Touch HD, sort of tells the story of how HTC has faired with WM against the iPhone.
Now one question remains, are HTC devices worst than iPhone in terms of hardware, or HTC is losing ground because WM is just not that good of a program? After all HTC, Omnia, X1 all had to create their own version software UI to make it more "user/finger friendly" for customers.
I for one believe that iPhone is a better multimedia/phone device but because I'm not that much of a multimedia buff, I prefer the all encompassing functionability of WM, which gives me all round advantage.
Now back to the question of HD or G1.
I really have no opinion and I think it's just too soon to make a comparison, as most people have not used the google android yet.
If we talk about hardware then I guess HD is much better than G1, but if we talk about software then G1 has no grounds to compete because it's an enigma still?
imho then unless one really love android then HD will be batter the first g1 imho is ½baked
no teething, no adsp not alot of 3th party progs yet
cant be found without a contract....
but it shows promise
hope sooner or later it will wake the sleeping wm
meckah said:
I actually agree with Tito here. I'm no fan of iPhone. But you have to give credit to where it's due. iPhone has dominated the American market, not so much the European or Asian markets. You can say that has to do with Apple ability to strike better deals with Phone Service Providers, but you also have to acknowledge that Apple has found themselves a niche market, the portable multimedia market, and has managed to be the frontrunners on that market.
iPhone is essentially a multimedia phone and for it's main purpose, it is "awesome" so to speak and so far WM based devices has struggled to compete with iphone on that front, despite WM more functionability.
The fact that HTC has launched HTC Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Diamond, Touch HD, sort of tells the story of how HTC has faired with WM against the iPhone.
Now one question remains, are HTC devices worst than iPhone in terms of hardware, or HTC is losing ground because WM is just not that good of a program? After all HTC, Omnia, X1 all had to create their own version software UI to make it more "user/finger friendly" for customers.
I for one believe that iPhone is a better multimedia/phone device but because I'm not that much of a multimedia buff, I prefer the all encompassing functionability of WM, which gives me all round advantage.
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I'm not sure that Apple have found a niche market. The market was already there but they have been able to exploit it better because of the hype created by the iPod. But let's be honest here: consumers are dumb. If you give something a nice shiny cover people will buy it and that's exactly what happened with the iPod when in reality you could have bought a PPC to not only listen to music but watch videos, play games, surf the net, send emails, etc, etc.
It's no surprise that Apple followed up with a video iPod, iPod Touch and the iPhone. They simply took advantage of MS's inexplicable unwillingness to develop WM into something it could and should have been years ago.
And yet, just like the iPod the iPhone lacks features that could really make it a killer device for EVERYONE. As a techical business user who is also a mass market consumer, for me it's missing 2 fairly essential features: a decent camera (to take spontaneous photos of my son) and the ability to connect it to my laptop to access the internet.
The problem for me is actually a wider one in that no phone on the market does everything I need it to. I want:
- the UI of the iPhone
- the 5MP camera with Xenon flash of the Nokia 6220
- in-built voice navigation of various Nokia devices
- the flexibility of WM
- the inbuilt storage of the iPhone
- the size of the SE XPeria X1
Is that too much to ask? I don't think so but it seems that every manufacturer is reluctant to make such a device when the technology is clearly already out there.
I prefer the HD becase of the hardware specks, the large screen and slick design, also like many others I am windows mobile fan...
G1 design is ugly, they should came with something more slick than this (it looks like the device was made back in 2006 - i am talking about the design)
Ruudfood said:
I'm not sure that Apple have found a niche market. The market was already there but they have been able to exploit it better because of the hype created by the iPod. But let's be honest here: consumers are dumb. If you give something a nice shiny cover people will buy it and that's exactly what happened with the iPod when in reality you could have bought a PPC to not only listen to music but watch videos, play games, surf the net, send emails, etc, etc.
It's no surprise that Apple followed up with a video iPod, iPod Touch and the iPhone. They simply took advantage of MS's inexplicable unwillingness to develop WM into something it could and should have been years ago.
And yet, just like the iPod the iPhone lacks features that could really make it a killer device for EVERYONE. As a techical business user who is also a mass market consumer, for me it's missing 2 fairly essential features: a decent camera (to take spontaneous photos of my son) and the ability to connect it to my laptop to access the internet.
The problem for me is actually a wider one in that no phone on the market does everything I need it to. I want:
- the UI of the iPhone
- the 5MP camera with Xenon flash of the Nokia 6220
- in-built voice navigation of various Nokia devices
- the flexibility of WM
- the inbuilt storage of the iPhone
- the size of the SE XPeria X1
Is that too much to ask? I don't think so but it seems that every manufacturer is reluctant to make such a device when the technology is clearly already out there.
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Yea, but not everyone wants a PPC, they see the iPhone as an easy to use thing that is made by apple(consumer's brain thought: Oh!! Look apple made it it must be good at playing music and junk). I prefer WM because of all the options it has and the more personalization you can do. I would like your idea too, but I wouldn't want the UI of the iPhone simply because as more commands and options add in, your fingers will be too big and its simplistic nature goes away. The UI is successful because it is so restrictive(not too restrictive) and lets things run the same over and over(WM can do the same thing it just depends on the hardware and software support). IDK, I had an iPhone, I loved it but it got stolen and then I realized that I should go back to WM because of the way it works and the freedom it has.
BOT:
I think that the G1 is Google's tester phone to see how far android will go with a simple phone. This will be Google's trial and error. . .
orb3000 said:
Wich one you prefer and why?
G1 highlights: Android OS
HD highlights: Super 3.8" screen
A good video comparative (Page it´s in spanish): http://www.xataka.com/2008/09/24-htc-touch-hd-y-t-mobile-g1-en-video
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oh man those videos make me want a G1 one more than an HD...
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oh man those videos make me want a G1 one more than an HD...
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Why is that mate?
Let all us know your thoughts
Cheers,
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It's not the worst, its mainly a media phone that has a strong and stable media player. . . . It wasn't made for what every wanted it to be apparently after apple made it, so don't go bashing please. . its just a regular phone with some advanced features . .
No I am no fanboy, but everyone bashes everything just because everyone else does it too. . . Look at the facts. . the apple fanboys are gonna bash this too with a similar remark towards the BlackStone.
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not bashing bro I own the iphone 3g too if you want i can show you pictures of it next to my diamond. but trust me mate, you cant get a great community as xda devs for iphone. My iphone looks crappy in front of the diamond fully moded. about the blackstone it is gonna be a 100 times iphone killer.
I constantly but heads with iphone supporters...... they swear the iphone is better than the g1 ascenine right? What other standout features does the g1 have/support that the iphone does not? Or what does it do better than the iphone? Because I watched countless videos on youtube about the g1 months before I pre order and I know the phone very well. I'm just now understanding binary, thought it was hard, but everything is diffivult when you don't understand it lol, anyway... what other aces does the g1 have up its sleeve? Now with flash coming to the iphone I'm pissing my pants...
well i'm sure that others can answer this in great detail, but for my reasons:
custom themes (personalize the damn thing =])
full control over your phone(with root of course)
WiFi tether (see the iphone do that!)
and a better community here at xda than any iphone fanboy site can create
those are my big ones =]
can the iphone copy and paste??
Is this even the forum for this discussion? In all honesty, why does it matter? If you own a G1 use it, it's a da%! phone. If you have the iphone, read my last sentence.
Fanboys are fanboys no matter what side of the argument. Wait until electronics DON'T work, then see where you all stand.
"Why is the MossyRock better than the jagged rock?" A rock is a rock, a phone SHOULD be a phone.
XDA FTW!!!!!!!!
Does the iphone have 3.2 MP camera, Bluetooth, Tons of free market apps, Trackball, Qwerty keyboard, 3 desktops, copy/cut/paste feature, customizable theme, Can it run Debian,.....
* Digital Compass
These are the plus points of having G1 than that F**king iPhone
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Does the iphone have 3.2 MP camera, Bluetooth, Tons of free market apps, Trackball, Qwerty keyboard, 3 desktops, copy/cut/paste feature, customizable theme, Can it run Debian,.....
* Digital Compass
These are the plus points of having G1 than that F**king iPhone
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not to go against the g1, but the iphone does have bluetooth, tons of free market apps, has more then 3 desktops, customizable themes and a digital compass.
The iPhone comes with plenty of great stuff, like...
- The requirement to have the OS guess what you want to type, since there's no keyboard
- The inability to send picture messages
- DRM out the wazoo
- A completely closed operating system
- A company that's willing to brick phones to protect their DRM
You can have all this and more, for the privilege of paying a higher monthly fee and the inability to get insurance for the phone.
But it is MUCH shinier. If you're into shiny, you're all set!
I think they are both fine phones, and do a good job at what they were designed to do. That said, I prefer and therefore own a G1. I actually owned a Wing before, and one of the primary reasons I bought the G1 was the XDA community. Coming here was the best thing that ever could have happened to my Wing, and I just knew that the great contributors to this community would have awesome stuff in store for the G1. iPhone couldn't provide me with the 'screwing with my phone' endless hours of enjoyment that I get from the combination of my G1 and these forums.
And I think someone else had it right when they suggested this isn't the correct forum for this thread... Maybe it'll get moved.
Honestly, if you jailbreak the iPhone, it has almost everything the G1 has and a bit more except for the Open Source base and more open (but less full content-wise) market.
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well i'm sure that others can answer this in great detail, but for my reasons:
custom themes (personalize the damn thing =])
full control over your phone(with root of course)
WiFi tether (see the iphone do that!)
and a better community here at xda than any iphone fanboy site can create
those are my big ones =]
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FYI, jailbroken iPhone has all these.
Hardware wise, physical keyboard and digital compass.
Software wise, app multitasking.
sangeet.003 said:
Does the iphone have 3.2 MP camera, Bluetooth, Tons of free market apps, Trackball, Qwerty keyboard, 3 desktops, copy/cut/paste feature, customizable theme, Can it run Debian,.....
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These are the plus points of having G1 than that F**king iPhone
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The iphone has Debian. The same guy who put it on the G1 (Saurik) first put it on the iPhone. http://www.saurik.com/id/1
Also hardware wise:
A user removable and upgradable battery.
SDHC card slot
The iPhone still doesn't allow easy background execution of third party programs. There's rumor that it may come with firmware 3.0 but it won't be available for a while.
I use both the iPhone and a rooted G1 and I have to say there are tons more useful apps available for the iPhone right now. Although we need to give Android more time for more cool apps to become available on Market.
KS
The Iphone right now has way more great apps on it then it does useless ones b/c of the screening while the g1 has a lot of useless apps with a small percentage of great apps on it. In the future the g1 will have alot of great apps that we want on it wile the iphone users will have to resort to jailbreaking theirs to get the same kind of great apps.
The Iphone has better multi-touch then the g1 is cappable of right now and its thinner.
The G1 has the ability to possibly go up to 32gb when the microsd cards come out unlike the Iphone and it has that all important trackball or when ur hands r cold and the keyboard for when u want to make long posts on xda without having to constantly double check to see if u typed everything right.
Can iphone send MMS? Thats most important think for many people. And ofcorse hardware keyboard
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Honestly, if you jailbreak the iPhone, it has almost everything the G1 has and a bit more except for the Open Source base and more open (but less full content-wise) market.
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thats exactly what i was going to say,
a jailbroken iphone does "what apple does not want it to do out of the box"
the only diff is.... its been out for a while, and it lacks a hardware keyboard...
about the apps.... there is a "hacked" market app... a friend has a jailbroken iphone 2g and he basically gets any app, pay or free off that "illegal market"
i like hte G1 better... cause its what i like... but really a jailbroken iphone can copy paste and do anything a g1 can.
wf?
fleshdeep said:
Is this even the forum for this discussion? In all honesty, why does it matter? If you own a G1 use it, it's a da%! phone. If you have the iphone, read my last sentence.
Fanboys are fanboys no matter what side of the argument. Wait until electronics DON'T work, then see where you all stand.
"Why is the MossyRock better than the jagged rock?" A rock is a rock, a phone SHOULD be a phone.
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Wtf do u mean why does it matter? I know the majority of the users on xda have fooled with th iphones and g1s, and they know the apps, the hardware, the capabilities, the updates, the jailbroken features etc. So I asked this question 2 see which phone is really ahead of the game. Does it matter ? No. Is this the correct forum for this question? Yes.
P.s. when electronics don't work you'll be ass out 2 ... f*****g clown....
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Wtf do u mean why does it matter? I know the majority of the users on xda have fooled with th iphones and g1s, and they know the apps, the hardware, the capabilities, the updates, the jailbroken features etc. So I asked this question 2 see which phone is really ahead of the game. Does it matter ? No. Is this the correct forum for this question? Yes.
P.s. when electronics don't work you'll be ass out 2 ... f*****g clown....
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I think you've missed the point. This is NOT the correct forum for this discussion as this particular forum is about developing for Android. So what exactly does this have to do with developing for Android?
There is another thread for discussing the G1 and maybe this topic would have been more useful in there.
Also kindly don't resort to calling people names, it makes you look immature and a bit foolish to be honest and the mods on this forum don't take kindly to it.
I hate it but every company makes apps for the iphone. Windows mobile always left in the cold when it comes to new applications. Random companies make apps for the iphone. The Weather Channel, CNBC, eBay, NBA, MLB, ESPN, Showtime plus thousands of other companies choose to make apps for the iphone only. I hate it but when my contract runs out i might swich to the iphone. Anyone feeling this way?
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
player911 said:
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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Mmm, gotta disagree with you on that. Are you speaking from experience? Do you own an iPhone? I agree with the OP, I've been frustrated by the useful apps that have come out for the iPhone while WM has been all but forgotten.
android?
You could switch to a nice android device. I really like my g1 quite a bit. The app store doesn't have the volume of apps that the iphone one does, but if you factor out all the sound boards and fart machines, there isn't a huge difference.
Also, android is a platform, not a single device. I'm betting long term, you will see android win market share. It wouldn't be the first time that apple lost out with a closed, proprietary system. They did the same thing when competeing with IBM and Microsoft, and lost out there too.
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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Android is gaining a number of apps in the Android Market. Some of the apps mentioned by the OP are now available on Android and more a coming online all the time.
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
good for you...
Gotta say, there's still a place in my heart for WinMo, and I'm really looking forward to WM7, hoping not to be disappointed. But once you jailbreak an iPhone, it's superior in basically every way. I'm sick to death of Job's draconian resistance to JB, but fortunately the community has some geniuses who can tell him where he needs to go stick his head.
Valkryomnia may hate it, but that's only because he clearly doesn't have a jailbroken iPhone, because all the things he's talking about are laughably false except for the non-removable battery and memory. However, those aren't big deals for me because at this point the choice is 32GB of non-removable memory on iPhone vs 16GB of removable on WM. Not a hard choice for me. And as for the battery, I probably will get a new phone by the time it dies anyway, so... meh.
It's funny, but at this point the thing I miss most about WM is having to fiddle around with it to get it to work. With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can), but because it really just works. And giving up the fun of fiddling with it is a small price to pay for also giving up the frustration of the constant crashes, memory problems, incompatibilities, abandoned software that has promise but never gets finished, flashing, reflashing, and flashing, flashing, flashing constantly, etc. It's just a world of difference.
I jumped from the n-gage into the WM world and its disappointing at best in the games deppartment.
Emus and ports are good, but the iphone games are looking better each day.
Plus, 3 years ago when the iphone came out, M$ made a lot of promisses that WM could be as good as and i havent seen any yet.
I still remenber a youtube video showing the (soon to come out) Windows Vista gadgets running on the WM... where are they?
I love WM and sometimes i miss a FUN Application and Games that iPhone have but at all i can say that the iPhone is made for the Kids for peoples betwen 14 and 18 years Because the WM is more for Bussines Peoples etc.
So our HTC Phones are more Stylish for Example i use Blackstone.. we can`t even compare iPhone Vs Blackstone.
So if someday HTC start to support the device better and make new apps often some for bussines some just for fun... you know what will heppand.
I only don`t know one thing.
If i was a owner of HTC and i want to Grown Alot alot more... the 1st thing that i will do is More Support with ROM`s with Apps i can tell you with sure that if WM have the same FUN apps like iPhone and even better NO ONE WILL BUY an iPhone!!!
And i wonder why HTC don`t kick this iPhones from the Market they can do it very easy.
Even that we dont have alot WM apps made by HTC or other i still prefer to have a stylish bussines device that have many futures and potential in the future
So if you are under 18 then just buy iPhone )))
mkerr said:
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
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I agree with that!
I've been a windows mobile user for a couple of years and while I love tweaking everything and writing apps in c#, I'm quickly growing tired of it falling so far behind the iphone and android. 6.5 is really just a new start menu and lock screen with WM2003 underneath. Back when I had a tytn I loved flashing new roms, but recently I've lot interest in it, especially when the benefits aren't really that great in terms of features.
My contract is up in January and at the moment I'm leaning towards an iphone. I like the look of android (plus I would be able to write apps for it in java), but it doesn't feel that complete to me.
My main uses for a phone are:
Web browsing - nothing beats the iphone here. Opera is nice but its painfully slow. Opera mini is also very good but the rendering doesn't look that nice.
Facebook - the iphone app is by far the best, and the windows mobile one is a joke.
Twitter - there are decent clients for all 3
Email (not push) - Pocket outlook isn't finger friendly, so its iphone or android here, but I haven't seen the android email client that much.
Writing apps - I'm happy to write java or C#, and hate objective C
Random apps - The iphone is a clear winner here
Golf scorecards with GPS - I wrote one for windows mobile, but nothing I can write could compare to apps like airvue for the iphone
Satnav - I love igo, so windows mobile wins here
Music - Once more, the iphone blows everything else away (S2P is nice, but still laggy on my diamond).
I think that if the HD2 was android then it would be a serious contender, but unless anything amazing comes out within the next 3 months I'll be jumping ship to the iphone (and probably jailbreaking it straight away).
Going back a year, I was one of the 'iphone haters', and I still hate the mac fanboy mentality of apple is best whilst blocking out all forms of logic and reason. Now I just want something which does everything I need easily and quickly.
18 months ago, if I knew I'd be thinking like this, I probably would've punched myself in the face.
same here.. i owned a o2 mini for years now using elf but when my contract finish.. hmmm 75% chance i will get iphone - hopefully by then it will have removable storage and radio..
1 i like from iphone is speed - and almost (never?) crash..
I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
I do love the HTC design and style, but why is it always bad on hardware?
The ram and speed upgrades are always small and the video drivers are sad at best.
Its true, the WM ppcs were made for business, and never had a real "gamer liberation"... that, for me, is the problem with them.
I wanted a cheap ppc that could be, like the magician (qtek s100/s110), way ahead of its time.
All the phones I see around me are slower than my magician from 2003.
Thats why I am starting to look at the iphone.
Yes.. befor more than a year when i was looking for a new Device just to say that here in Bulgaria we don`t have so good contracts etc so when you want a new Device you just need to Buy it by yourself Cash.
So from the time i start to use Mobile Phones i always own a Nokia and i always use the latest models befor to move in WM i was on Symbian and i use the Nokia almost everyone from N series.. but befor a year i was thinking i need something new something diferent and powerfull...
and the Blakcstone just come out on the market this days and he amazed me with the Screen with thedesign and with many other things...
So the Blackstone was more expensive than the iPhone 3G here and many peoples told me better buy a HTC device this Blackstone ROCK some peoples say buy iPhone so beause everyone talk about iphone and i want something diferent that iphone because i hate when everyone use the same thing.... and the iphones become something like a madness i decide to buy my Blackstone and here cost me $900 around the iPhone 3G cost on the same time around $600 so i buy the expensive one HTC and after more than a year of use... im feeling a bit desapointed for this.
I love my Blackstone and he look cool and is a good device but i hate that i understand this later that HTC didn`t give alot support to the products they make.. so when i register here in that forum i see that many peoples Coocking ROM`s and some of the ROMs can be better than the original one..but im asking myself WHY THIS PEOPLES must to do ROMS by themselfs where is the HTC COMPANY now?
If someone say Ok we have ROMs here and etc fine but where are the FUN Enterteinment apps for our Device?
Nobody do anything for WM all USA companyes make apps for iPhone so in internet they are thousend and thousend and everyday something new.
Some peoples here try theyr best to do something but this is not enought HTC must really to think about this.. because this is a serious problem and i think in the future if they didn`t do anything to fix this problem they will lose alot costumers .....
Now i don`t like how the iPhone look... i prefer my Blackstone design i don`t like the Apple but i can`t say on the Black to say its White...really i play with some iphones and they are very FAST interface and responding to the touch and you are able to have so much FUN with that device...
Someone will say the device is made for Bussines and to calling but this is not true if i want to calling i will buy a phone for $30 without any OS and will not have delay in the ringing will not crash and etc and will be ablel to calling and etc.
Now i seriously think that soon i will be totaly pissed..from all this and will need to buy an iPhone 3G the problem is that like i say we dont have a contracts and now if i wana buy it i need to pay cash around $500 and what to do with my Blackstone? i can`t just spend money for phones like this.
Maybe i need to sell my Blackstone to take some money and to spend money buying an iPhone i hate that liek i say im not iPhone fan...but............. just HTC lose me like a costumer.
Befor a Year if someone tell me that i will buy an iPhone and will wana sell my HTC i will not believe him but this is the truth....
Not Fun Apps, Not Software not ANything they just sell you a expensive device and you can download a few ringtones from the HTC Club... THANK YOU
Blowfish64 said:
With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can),
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oh really? Please explain. No you cant, that is completely false. Show me an alternate UI? So me multi tasking? Show me anything other than the possibility of changing an icon lol. The iphone is an app launcher, plain and simple. You simply cant customize it, you can just put different apps on it.
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I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
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i agree with what you say other than "aesthetically pleasing interface as the iphone"
How is a screen full of icons aesthetically pleasing? Its arguable that it isnt even a UI Just a program launcher
hi
with ref to the camera i dont think the HTC camera is any better
my phone has a 3.2megpik and it suks
valkryomnia said:
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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watch who his guy hack android on iPhone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yO2KQHkt4A&feature=player_embedded
Yeah I got a text from my iPhone friend bragging about it but I told him to get 2.1 then brag.
It would be cool to have iPhone on G1 but I don't see that coming at all.
English plz?
CrazyEye said:
Yeah I got a text from my iPhone friend bragging but I told him to get 2.1 then brag.
It would be cool to have iPhone on G1 but I don't see that coming at all.
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Or to get that running as fast as it is on the G1. Sad that it runs slower...
It's amusing, but...
This isn't Development. It would be more fitting in the General section. Sorry to be a buzz-kill, but this kind of stuff usually gets people flamed.
(for the record, iPhone can suck it.)
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Or to get that running as fast as it is on the G1. Sad that it runs slower...
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I could see the iPhone getting faster on Android once more devs look at it and piece it together. It has to be possible to port iPhone to Android to bad I have no development skills or I would give it a go.
Christopher3712 said:
This isn't Development. It would be more fitting in the General section. Sorry to be a buzz-kill, but this kind of stuff usually gets people flamed.
(for the record, iPhone can suck it.)
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Yeah I was going to flame him originally but so many people post in the wrong section I just give up and let a mod take care of it >.<
I second the Suck it to iPhone. It would be just something to have to make iPhone fan boys stfu.
Christopher3712 said:
This isn't Development. It would be more fitting in the General section. Sorry to be a buzz-kill, but this kind of stuff usually gets people flamed.
(for the record, iPhone can suck it.)
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If you believe something is in the wrong section, is it not easier to just ignore the post? Or must you, inform people they're posting in the "wrong" section? What's the big deal. Read what's written, if it holds no interest for you, keep it movin. If you find it interesting, and you "believe" it's in the wrong section, keep it movin. What's hard about that? Ur the type to report **** is in the wrong sections as you come across stuff aren't you? People like you are Computer Commandos. Leave the Moddin 2 da MODS.
Thanks. Take Care.
Im sorry but android is far better then iphone os and this is coming from a person that paid about $4000 in mac stuff
fox12345 said:
watch who his guy hack android on iPhone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yO2KQHkt4A&feature=player_embedded
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That's kinda tight right there.
haha
I love how people say the iphone sucks yet really what can android do that iphone can't they can Run our os cydia is the best thing ever better battery huge memory way more reliable awsome music player awsome gaming better keyboard haha list goes on and on
This is not G1 nor Development related (not directly as it's just news) so I moved it to the general android forum.
xftox said:
I love how people say the iphone sucks yet really what can android do that iphone can't
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Multi task!
Haha it actually can with an aop called multi flow and 4.0 will have it
xftox said:
I love how people say the iphone sucks yet really what can android do that iphone can't they can Run our os cydia is the best thing ever better battery huge memory way more reliable awsome music player awsome gaming better keyboard haha list goes on and on
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Cydia: We don't need another Market when ours doesn't reject things.
Battery- Really? Have you EVER used a Nexus?
Memory- That is, until you fill it up
Music Player- No doubt, Android is getting better ones but the iPhone's is still top notch
Gaming- That's what happens when you're a year ahead of the competition, but yes, I feel it has better games (Even if I don't play any)
Batter Keyboard- This is subjective, the ONLY thing I feel it has Android beaten in is responsiveness (And this is due to the touchscreen, not the actual keyboard)
If not cydia rock millions of free apps once hacked u can't fill up the memory my wife a 16 gig and hsnt filled up half her memory with all the movies music and apps the keyboard is more responsive millions of themes everything an android can do so can iphone I wish there a way to flash roms on an iphone
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If not cydia rock millions of free apps once hacked u can't fill up the memory my wife a 16 gig and hsnt filled up half her memory with all the movies music and apps the keyboard is more responsive millions of themes everything an android can do so can iphone I wish there a way to flash roms on an iphone
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I don't see why having the phone hacked or not gives more memory, it was 16gb before and after. Well, when someone has 1000's of songs, the 16gb fills up rather quickly, so just because she has over half left doesn't mean everyone does.
You tend to have more things when you are tending to a larger user base, so having millions of themes is nice, but you're only ever going to use one at a time.
I still don't see why cydia and rock are being brought into this, they're a market for things that were/will be rejected from the App store the Android Market does NOT suffer from this (Except in things like pornography or malicious/illegal items).
All I know is that this is good news for many and I hope development continues, I like the Iphone OS very much including android and winmo 7.
the day i get an iphone is the day it multitasks, has real keyboard, lets me watch porn when my girl is being stingy and selfish with her vagina, on top of it all... run an android os. sooo in the words of my good man :"iphone can suck iiiiiiiit"
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If not cydia rock millions of free apps once hacked u can't fill up the memory my wife a 16 gig and hsnt filled up half her memory with all the movies music and apps the keyboard is more responsive millions of themes everything an android can do so can iphone I wish there a way to flash roms on an iphone
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Why are you defending that iCraP!!..................
Just playing but, why compare Iphone/touch to Android... Android will always come out on top.... and if you don't like Android why not get an IPhone...
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I love how people say the iphone sucks yet really what can android do that iphone can't they can Run our os cydia is the best thing ever better battery huge memory way more reliable awsome music player awsome gaming better keyboard haha list goes on and on
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I agree .I have a Touch HD and an Iphone 3GS both are good phones being made better by the developers on here and people over at Devteam. It seems a little immature to be slagging one off against another
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I love how people say the iphone sucks yet really what can android do that iphone can't they can Run our os cydia is the best thing ever better battery huge memory way more reliable awsome music player awsome gaming better keyboard haha list goes on and on
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If you want a phone that can play music, videos, and games, I'll grant than an iPhone is your best bet.
If you want a phone with a large high-res screen, hardware keyboard, expandable storage, TRUE multi-tasking, as well as an impressive bag of tricks (tethering, WiFiRouter, etc.) that can be had without voiding your warrantee, the iPhone would certainly not fit the bill.
Just saying that there are plenty of things an iPhone cannot do, even with jailbreaking. The day some mad dev manages to port iPhone OS to an HTC keyboard phone, I will gladly eat my words. Until then, enjoy your iPhone for what it is, a Portable Media Player. The rest of us will keep happily haxing away on our Mini Computers.
Which you guys think is better and Why? Please share
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WTF dude? Why post this on the Captivate forum? This debate is tired already. I use a Captivate not an I Phone.
iPhone 4. It's got the 3g and the wifis
Posting it on the captivate forum is not gonna be biased at all.....
there was already a thread from a guy that was doing a debate for school asking for good arguments, and another comparison thread. search it.
android is a better thought out os but it has its problems. the captivate has a better gpu. they both have great screens, i like the amoled, but the iphone is is brighter which is good in the sunlight, iphone is better resolution which is good if you hold the phone close to your face but it may be overkill, i feel like the captivate could have better pixel density. neither is bad but if you want sugestions it depends on priorities.
how important is insurance?
will you want to video chat?
do you have friends with front facing cameras on there phones especially other iphone 4's or use webcams often?
do you take pics at night? captivate night mode is sometimes better in surprisingly dim light or for objects that are lighted at night but with no flash the camera is sometimes useless for portraits in a dark club setting or total darkness. led flash is only useful for portraits but if that's important to you then you might want an iphone.
how are you with a touchscreen? can you type on an iphone? swype is a good alternative to a keyboard.
do you use widgets? there are none on the iphone.
do you want to theme your phone?
do you like broken glass that cuts your fingers? slip on covers trap dirt that scratches the glass. scratches are stress risers and the glass breaks!
i can go on, but i think you already know what you like and can find out the information.
Well currently I have xperia x10 android phone and love it how customisable it is. Even you jailbreak Iphone you can't customize barely anything. Then apple release new firmwire and devs make more jailbreak. The only thing I want Iphone 4 is for apps and games and fps games. The reason I did vs Captivate. If Captivate can handle games like Iphone 4?
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Better question: Why are you posting in the Captivate forum about this when you use an X10?
And if the games were made for Android, then they would play just as well, if not better then the iPhone4.
the_ahmadzais said:
Well currently I have xperia x10 android phone and love it how customisable it is. Even you jailbreak Iphone you can't customize barely anything. Then apple release new firmwire and devs make more jailbreak. The only thing I want Iphone 4 is for apps and games and fps games. The reason I did vs Captivate. If Captivate can handle games like Iphone 4?
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better!
galaxy s can handle games better than any other. g2 and mytouch 4g are the fastest phones but galaxy s has a better gpu.
get a captivate, root it, get samsung apps, temperarily change the build.prop to the gt i9000 build.prop and download asphalt 5. change build.prop back to stock. play asphalt 5. this is a version of asphalt 5 built for a galaxy s, the version number is lower than the one on the gameloft website because gameloft took out some of the open gl features so that the evo and driod x could run it better!
you will see better lighting effects and better framerates with this version on a galaxy s than the one on there website.
better andriod games will come soon and show off the galaxy s capabilities. there is a small number of high quality 3d fps games on the market because one device that doesnt sell as well as others isnt enough push for development. now that the g2 and mytouch 4g are close in the gpu area and many new phones will come soon there is likely to be some amazing new games coming out. especially from gameloft.
I think the Captivate's interface is better, even though Apple has a reputation for having better usability.
With iOS, Apple is surely lagging. Android OS is much better. The bugs people talk about just aren't there for me - they have been resolved. I also use beta ROMS, etc.
On to hardware. Honestly the touchscreen misses my intended target 1/100 times, with the iPhone 3GS it always registered what I wanted to click. I know 1/100 sounds small, but it bothers me.
Last part is third party software / hardware. iPhone has more docks, etc. Captivate has next to none. For the best apps - if it is on the iPhone, then it is on the Android. However, they are lagged. For instance, the iPhone Navigon app is farther advanced than the android Navigon app.
There ya have it.
the_ahmadzais said:
Which you guys think is better and Why? Please share
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cause the GeeBees and the WhyFlies are very upgraded to the best. Captivate battery tastes way better and sweet yummy. iPhone plug is too much bigger and It hurt big when you put it in back. Toast?
Shovelhead84 said:
cause the GeeBees and the WhyFlies are very upgraded to the best. Captivate battery tastes way better and sweet yummy. iPhone plug is too much bigger and It hurt big when you put it in back. Toast?
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I LOL'D.
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Well you see, there were these winjas and nizards.....
From a phone on an app
What made the decision for me was the freedom the phone gave me. You could either have a phone where steve jobs dictates how ur phone is going to be, like it our not, or go with a phone that supports customization. I know a few people with galaxy s phones, and the beauty about them is, if you pick em up they look very different. With different launchers and widgets, you truly have more customization. And the beauty of widgets is your can get information without ever opening app. And there's swype.
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Hacked Captivate >> Jailbroken iPhone 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone 4 >>>> Stock Captivate
I have 2 or each on my AT&T plan.
Both are good choices,and wouldn't diss either one.Each go about what they do differently,and neither are perfect for everybody or everything.
My wife and I use the Captivates..both my sons use the 32 gig I 4 phones.We all like what they do and how they do it..so it really is a personal choice on what you get. Can you get bad ones of each..certainly..I've already had to have both of the I-phones go back already due to bad sim cards..so..nothing is perfect. Both of my Captivates are from the September build,and both have worked great.
All 4 of us are happy with them..I am happy with the Captivates,and am glad I can change it around easier than the I-phones..my sons are happy since they have used i-pods and i-tunes since they first came out.Both phones sound great..both look great..both give excellent call quality.
To me the biggest differences is the price of the phones.For next to nothing you can get a Captivate on a 2 year contract..not so with the I-phone.Another big difference is how much storage you can have with the Captivate.You can swap out the sd card and have tons of storage..you can't do that with the I-phone.
Look at all of the differences..and all of the applications and games you want to use.Go with the one you feel will suit your needs..and don't base it on other peoples needs.Lastly...If you want to be able to change things around and truely customize it easily..the I-phone may not be your best choice.If you just want a phone and keep it the way it is..then the I-phone may be the best choice.Then again..if none of this is applicable to you..you may just prefer how one looks and feels over the other and base it on that when you go to get it .Like I said..it is a personal choice than anything else since neither is 100% perfect.
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^^^Like him, I have a Captivate and my son & daughter have Iphone 4's. After visiting my daughter and playing with her Iphone 4 I noticed 2 things that gripe me: 1) The Iphone 4 can orient google maps in a "heads up" mode..and 2) The iphone 4 can pinch to zoom in the gmail app. Being an android (made by google right?), I'm amazed that our Captivate can't do that..especially #2. My 50+ eyes really have a hard time with the tiny font in the gmail app...and there's no way to increase it -in 2.1 at least