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My thoughts on iPhone OS & Windows Mobile

Where to start... I'm going to get flamed a ****load for this but I could care less, all I'm doing is stating the truth.
Windows Mobile SUCKS and the ONLY reason that 6.5 is coming out is because Microsoft has finally (sort of) listened to us and made WinMo a much more user-friendly experience.
Ok that was a bit harsh lol, but out of the box, windows mobile is slow trash, and that's the whole reason XDA is here. To make windows mobile devices usable and reliable. iPhone requires no customization to be reliable. It does what it should do. It is a multimedia device, which is what 95% of custom ROMs are aiming at doing - making your phone an enjoyable, multimedia device. Maybe 10% of WinMo users actually use it for BUSINESS usage.
The iPhone has never been advertised as a "High-Powered business device", but it basically set standards for new phones. The only reason we have interfaces like TouchFlo3D and such is because HTC is trying to make WinMo devices as enjoyable as iPhones are! I love my Touch Pro and all, but let's face it - it will never be as intuitive and smooth as iPhone OS. If the iPhone were never released, we would still be stuck with Palm OS, The standard WinMo today screen, and Android & WebOS wouldn't even exist.
Why do you guys think S2U2 is so wildly popular? We all (or most of us, not all) want our devices to perform like an iPhone! If the iPhone was released with a QWERTY hardware keyboard, and it had a jailbreak, I KNOW that most of us would flock to it within days. There are many apps available for jailbroken iPhones that mimic the today screen, and by that, I mean Calendar appointments, text messages, e-mails etc are all viewable right when you turn on your device, on the Slide to Unlock menu.
HTC, do you care about your windows mobile users at all? Why are you force-feeding us your ****ty 528 Mhz qualcomm processors with no video drivers? Every phone you've released in the past year or so (which is a lot) has had the SAME EXACT SPECS. 528 Mhz Qualcomm, 288/256 MB of RAM, 512 MB Storage. Why do you do this? Because you know we'll buy your devices anyways? I know Apple is tight on security and such, leaving you with such little customizability of your phone, but it is a SMOOTH, ENJOYABLE experience! Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify spending $700 on an unlocked phone.
Most iPhone bashers have never actually used one in person. I've compared many HTC phones with it, and it is obviously a much smoother experience. Video recording is OUTSTANDING on the iPhone 3GS. I know it's technology we've had for years on older phones, but let's be honest, there's a reason Apple is releasing it just now. They wanted it to be perfect - and it is.
I'll remain loyal to HTC, but if Apple ever releases an iPhone with a qwerty keyboard, I know most of us will trash our HTC devices.
Roflcopterrr said:
Even more of a blow to HTC.. have you guys seen the latest OpenGL benchmarks for the 3GS?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....3G S&D2=HTC P4600 Touch Pro&D3=HTC Touch Pro2
The difference in performance between HTC devices and the iPhone are very dramatic.. This is exactly what I mean. I'm sure the iPhone drivers were developed and production was rolling along on the 3GS around the same time as the Touch Pro2's release - so there shouldn't be any "but it's newer!" argument.
Come on HTC.. do you think we LIKE tearing, artifacting, and overall slow performance?
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Oh no
Another comparing iphoney thread!
this is the number 54 thread...
I won´t never change to iphoney, too much reasons already have said about it, but the most important one
I won´t have the support of this great site
Respectfully,

Sadly I agree with you man, I also am tired with the poor gui, ancient msm qualcom processors. HTC is lacking majorly.
As is microsoft for that matter.
The only thing I will say is to wait for the tegra

so go post on an iphone site.

i agree with him completely.
the form factor of many of the Winmo phones are stunning. and the interfaces seem smooth and solid when skinned. i LOVE the looks of TouchFlo3D and the new TouchFlo3D2.5
but for all the comments and stuff i see on IPhone forums about Winmo having a greater selection of programs i am having an extremely difficult time finding programs that can do everything that is available now on the IPhone platform. much less be smooth and easy to use.
i cant imagine Roflcopterrr is here to troll, and i know i am not. but you cannot just twist the facts for your own purposes. (i'm talking about Winmo users claiming that their platform CANNOT run programs as smoothly as the IPhone because they can Multitask)

double post. oops.

josefcrist said:
so go post on an iphone site.
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dont be a baby. And don't take it personal. Dude, I lashed out at someone in the past for this same post and almost got banned. But the truth is competition is not brewing excellence here. It is one sided. There is no comparison with the gui throughput of the iphone compared to our HTC devices. Until the tegra comes out we will be sitting here with thumbs up our asses. Thats the truth.
As it was said, mobile technology is moving at a turtles pace in the winmo world. There needs to be more of an effort in HTC and microsofts part. This post is only stating the obvious. OUR **** IS WEAK
also in america, our providers are ****ting on us with there frequent tardy releases of HTC phones. (minus the kaiser)

i did not mean it in a hurtful way. i was just messing around you cant hear the tone of my voice.
I am pretty excited for the tegra and the snapdragon i think that they will do good things for windows mobile. it is hard for me to change to a different platform after having half a dozen windows mobile based devices in a row for the past 6 or so years.

sdlopez83 said:
Sadly I agree with you man, I also am tired with the poor gui, ancient msm qualcom processors. HTC is lacking majorly.
As is microsoft for that matter.
The only thing I will say is to wait for the tegra
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This is how it is.

Even more of a blow to HTC.. have you guys seen the latest OpenGL benchmarks for the 3GS?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=Apple iPhone 3G S&D2=HTC P4600 Touch Pro&D3=HTC Touch Pro2
The difference in performance between HTC devices and the iPhone are very dramatic.. This is exactly what I mean. I'm sure the iPhone drivers were developed and production was rolling along on the 3GS around the same time as the Touch Pro2's release - so there shouldn't be any "but it's newer!" argument.
Come on HTC.. do you think we LIKE tearing, artifacting, and overall slow performance?

The iPhone has caused a stir because it is accessible, like all Apple products - you open the box, switch it on and it works. The app store is just fantastic because it gives the poor saps that own an iPhone just one place to look for software.
The thing is, they need to look for software because the iPhone is lacking on so many levels - bluetooth, video etc etc. The deeper you dig the more crap you find the iPhone to be, you can only now forward a text message (that is ELEMENTARY), video has only just been made available, there are no minute minders etc etc etc.
Where us WM users lose out is the fact we have so much choice - we have free apps coming out of our ears you just need to search them out. Sure some a pants and lack development, but that's because their coded by someone in their bedroom.
MS and HTC need to trawl these forums and pick some key ideas (and the coders that go with them) put them all in a room and throw ten dollar bills at them. That way we will eventually get a smooth bug-free OS that looks fantastic and performs as it deserves to.
I can't imagine how MS have been able to get away with such a clunky mobile OS for so long, and the official mobile versions of Word and Excel are just pathetic - there a third party apps that just blow these away.
Come on MS, come on HTC, give us what we've been paying for for all these years.
PS my Kaiser is about 70% business 30% fun, but I wouldn't have it if I didn't have a business use for it.

I have a $600 phone (HTC Touch Pro) that can only record CIF video at 15 fps, same as my dumbphone from 2004. HTC is crap.

Yeah, I know, the iPhone is slick, but it ain't what it should be - just like the Win Mo hardware isn't.
HTC has been churning out the same spec "it'll do" kit for too long. BUT, at least we have GPS that generally works, we have turn by turn satnav in spades, car mounts from every vendor, we have choice. iPhone users do not have choice.
What you have to remember is that we are probably in a 5% of phone users, 'early adopters' I think is the phrase marketeers use. We see the opportunities for this kit, more than the manufacturers do. In 5 years time we'll still be complaining even though we'll have multitouch screens with HD video and decent battery life - it'll be "why can't I connect to my satellite broadband account?" That's what we're like.
No excuse for HTC and MS to not make the effort though.

If it was just as simple as comparing processor performance and UI smoothness than this thread and this forum wouldn't be necessary. There's a lot more to it than that. I can't go Apple because it takes a special kind of person to own apple products and I'm not that kind of person. There are a million reasons why and I can't name them all off the top but here are some:
You can get a slingbox app for iphone but you cannot sling over 3g. Thanks Apple but no thanks. It's my data plan, I paid for it, I'm an adult and I'll decide how I want to use my kb!
They won't let apps be released that could potentially have naughty words or pictures in them. Who the hell do they think they are? I'm a grown ass man and I'll watch porn all day if I decide to do so.
They have been known to kill apps in their app store and then release OS upgrades with the same functionality.
How about download limits of 10mb over 3g? In a funny example of the bitter irony between wm and iphone - when my coworker wants to download something over 10mb at work I start my WMwifirouter and let him get on my 'network' to do his download. Much to AT&T and Apples chagrin he is still getting his download over 3g!
Bluetooth profiles? What's that for?
Did you hear about the new iphone? it's a phone - and it does mms, copy & paste and video recording. What a groundbreaking idea!
I don't keep my computers desktop cluttered with a bunch of icons. That isn't a good way of handling things. The only parts of the iphone ui that I admire are the scrolling and finger friendly aspects. The lack of detail and control over options drives me nuts.
It's like Apple sells you the hardware and then wants to sit on your shoulder and make you use it how they dictate.
Also, I wouldn't say that this site exists because of WM's shortcomings. I would say this sight exists because of the open nature of WM. I'm sure there are things iphone owners would love to tweak, but a sight like this is impossible in the apple world.
So for me Apples philosophy and business model are big net negatives when put head to head with the WM options. While you are correct about the hardware and performance advantages on iphone, keep in mind that these crappy Qualcomm processors are about to be forgotten. Nvidia's hardware is going to forever change the game. There is a leaked 2009 product list from HTC showing a device named Superstar putting a 3.7 inch display powered by Nvidia ap16. That device will be ridiculous. Also, Engadget has the scoop on an Nvidia Tegra powered device hitting US carriers this year for $199. Once these devices hit the market we will just need WM7 to follow along and the gap will be totally bridged.

I'm sure there are things iphone owners would love to tweak, but a sight like this is impossible in the apple world.
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You mean like jailbreak?

No, I mean more than warez and themes.

What then? I'm really quite interested in differences between both platforms, specifically what they can/can't do at full potential.

Digitaltigre said:
No, I mean more than warez and themes.
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like??????

Digitaltigre - He said what I wanted to, but couldn't.

I don't use one evryday but what Im saying is if theres things you dont like about iphone you're pretty much stuck with it. Look at what we are able to do on WM for example.
If you don't like the volume control you can install one from a different Rom. If you get tired of it you can uninstall it and go back to the standard vol control. If you decide you want different video drivers they can be cooked into a Rom. I can get into my registry and change my proxy settings, default photo location favorite channels in slingmedia player etc. I use AE button plus to remap all my hardware buttons. I have the right softkey on a double push do alt-tab between apps. That way I can have two progs open that I need to transfer info between. How can you do any of those customizations on the iphone? You cant. You may say that you wouldn't want to change the iphone but I'm saying what if you did?
Besides that I'm tired of Apple acting like they invented stuff. They brought the first gen out w/out 3g when my wm phone had 3g for years! Then when they dropped the 3g they were acting like 3g didn't exist before their new phone. Now their commercials for the 3gs are bragging on features that once again, I've had for a long time. Voice control? Really? Anyone tried Ms Voice Command? I can ask my phone what appointments I have tomorrow. I have to admit their implementation of copy/paste is pretty sweet, but there's no excuse for making users go 3 years without that basic feature. I just saw a commercial where they showed 'you can copy a phone number and paste it in a text message' Wow! I am just floored. These dudes are not making devices for me. I feel dumber everytime they talk to me!
I have to say I admire the iphone form factor...the glass capacitive touch screen, the quality build. But thats where it ends. If there was a Touch HD style phone with US 3g bands and an Nvidia chip under the hood - forget about it, it would be a wrap son. Those devices are coming and Im waiting patiently!

switch to iphone?

I hate it but every company makes apps for the iphone. Windows mobile always left in the cold when it comes to new applications. Random companies make apps for the iphone. The Weather Channel, CNBC, eBay, NBA, MLB, ESPN, Showtime plus thousands of other companies choose to make apps for the iphone only. I hate it but when my contract runs out i might swich to the iphone. Anyone feeling this way?

No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.

player911 said:
No. I can't stand the iPhone.
Most of those "apps" are just links to websites... like Widgets in WM6.5. Actually if you use the web browser Iris... it will display the iPhone version of the site. Or you could just make a widget of iPhone version from the iPhone URL.
Aside from the few cool games the iPhone has, it doesn't offer anything extraordinary.
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Mmm, gotta disagree with you on that. Are you speaking from experience? Do you own an iPhone? I agree with the OP, I've been frustrated by the useful apps that have come out for the iPhone while WM has been all but forgotten.

android?
You could switch to a nice android device. I really like my g1 quite a bit. The app store doesn't have the volume of apps that the iphone one does, but if you factor out all the sound boards and fart machines, there isn't a huge difference.
Also, android is a platform, not a single device. I'm betting long term, you will see android win market share. It wouldn't be the first time that apple lost out with a closed, proprietary system. They did the same thing when competeing with IBM and Microsoft, and lost out there too.

I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.

edit nevermind

Android is gaining a number of apps in the Android Market. Some of the apps mentioned by the OP are now available on Android and more a coming online all the time.

i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.

good for you...

Gotta say, there's still a place in my heart for WinMo, and I'm really looking forward to WM7, hoping not to be disappointed. But once you jailbreak an iPhone, it's superior in basically every way. I'm sick to death of Job's draconian resistance to JB, but fortunately the community has some geniuses who can tell him where he needs to go stick his head.
Valkryomnia may hate it, but that's only because he clearly doesn't have a jailbroken iPhone, because all the things he's talking about are laughably false except for the non-removable battery and memory. However, those aren't big deals for me because at this point the choice is 32GB of non-removable memory on iPhone vs 16GB of removable on WM. Not a hard choice for me. And as for the battery, I probably will get a new phone by the time it dies anyway, so... meh.
It's funny, but at this point the thing I miss most about WM is having to fiddle around with it to get it to work. With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can), but because it really just works. And giving up the fun of fiddling with it is a small price to pay for also giving up the frustration of the constant crashes, memory problems, incompatibilities, abandoned software that has promise but never gets finished, flashing, reflashing, and flashing, flashing, flashing constantly, etc. It's just a world of difference.

I jumped from the n-gage into the WM world and its disappointing at best in the games deppartment.
Emus and ports are good, but the iphone games are looking better each day.
Plus, 3 years ago when the iphone came out, M$ made a lot of promisses that WM could be as good as and i havent seen any yet.
I still remenber a youtube video showing the (soon to come out) Windows Vista gadgets running on the WM... where are they?

I love WM and sometimes i miss a FUN Application and Games that iPhone have but at all i can say that the iPhone is made for the Kids for peoples betwen 14 and 18 years Because the WM is more for Bussines Peoples etc.
So our HTC Phones are more Stylish for Example i use Blackstone.. we can`t even compare iPhone Vs Blackstone.
So if someday HTC start to support the device better and make new apps often some for bussines some just for fun... you know what will heppand.
I only don`t know one thing.
If i was a owner of HTC and i want to Grown Alot alot more... the 1st thing that i will do is More Support with ROM`s with Apps i can tell you with sure that if WM have the same FUN apps like iPhone and even better NO ONE WILL BUY an iPhone!!!
And i wonder why HTC don`t kick this iPhones from the Market they can do it very easy.
Even that we dont have alot WM apps made by HTC or other i still prefer to have a stylish bussines device that have many futures and potential in the future
So if you are under 18 then just buy iPhone )))

mkerr said:
i made the switch.
bloody glad i did.
took a while to get into the scene / getting around the more restricted OS, but i'm glad i did. looking forwards to running android on my kaiser, but i'll probably never go back to winmo (unless 7 is worth it).
as for the apple ******ry fanboism, the antiapple fanbois are almost as bad. if something works how you want it, **** what others think.
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I agree with that!
I've been a windows mobile user for a couple of years and while I love tweaking everything and writing apps in c#, I'm quickly growing tired of it falling so far behind the iphone and android. 6.5 is really just a new start menu and lock screen with WM2003 underneath. Back when I had a tytn I loved flashing new roms, but recently I've lot interest in it, especially when the benefits aren't really that great in terms of features.
My contract is up in January and at the moment I'm leaning towards an iphone. I like the look of android (plus I would be able to write apps for it in java), but it doesn't feel that complete to me.
My main uses for a phone are:
Web browsing - nothing beats the iphone here. Opera is nice but its painfully slow. Opera mini is also very good but the rendering doesn't look that nice.
Facebook - the iphone app is by far the best, and the windows mobile one is a joke.
Twitter - there are decent clients for all 3
Email (not push) - Pocket outlook isn't finger friendly, so its iphone or android here, but I haven't seen the android email client that much.
Writing apps - I'm happy to write java or C#, and hate objective C
Random apps - The iphone is a clear winner here
Golf scorecards with GPS - I wrote one for windows mobile, but nothing I can write could compare to apps like airvue for the iphone
Satnav - I love igo, so windows mobile wins here
Music - Once more, the iphone blows everything else away (S2P is nice, but still laggy on my diamond).
I think that if the HD2 was android then it would be a serious contender, but unless anything amazing comes out within the next 3 months I'll be jumping ship to the iphone (and probably jailbreaking it straight away).
Going back a year, I was one of the 'iphone haters', and I still hate the mac fanboy mentality of apple is best whilst blocking out all forms of logic and reason. Now I just want something which does everything I need easily and quickly.
18 months ago, if I knew I'd be thinking like this, I probably would've punched myself in the face.

same here.. i owned a o2 mini for years now using elf but when my contract finish.. hmmm 75% chance i will get iphone - hopefully by then it will have removable storage and radio..
1 i like from iphone is speed - and almost (never?) crash..

I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.

I do love the HTC design and style, but why is it always bad on hardware?
The ram and speed upgrades are always small and the video drivers are sad at best.
Its true, the WM ppcs were made for business, and never had a real "gamer liberation"... that, for me, is the problem with them.
I wanted a cheap ppc that could be, like the magician (qtek s100/s110), way ahead of its time.
All the phones I see around me are slower than my magician from 2003.
Thats why I am starting to look at the iphone.

Yes.. befor more than a year when i was looking for a new Device just to say that here in Bulgaria we don`t have so good contracts etc so when you want a new Device you just need to Buy it by yourself Cash.
So from the time i start to use Mobile Phones i always own a Nokia and i always use the latest models befor to move in WM i was on Symbian and i use the Nokia almost everyone from N series.. but befor a year i was thinking i need something new something diferent and powerfull...
and the Blakcstone just come out on the market this days and he amazed me with the Screen with thedesign and with many other things...
So the Blackstone was more expensive than the iPhone 3G here and many peoples told me better buy a HTC device this Blackstone ROCK some peoples say buy iPhone so beause everyone talk about iphone and i want something diferent that iphone because i hate when everyone use the same thing.... and the iphones become something like a madness i decide to buy my Blackstone and here cost me $900 around the iPhone 3G cost on the same time around $600 so i buy the expensive one HTC and after more than a year of use... im feeling a bit desapointed for this.
I love my Blackstone and he look cool and is a good device but i hate that i understand this later that HTC didn`t give alot support to the products they make.. so when i register here in that forum i see that many peoples Coocking ROM`s and some of the ROMs can be better than the original one..but im asking myself WHY THIS PEOPLES must to do ROMS by themselfs where is the HTC COMPANY now?
If someone say Ok we have ROMs here and etc fine but where are the FUN Enterteinment apps for our Device?
Nobody do anything for WM all USA companyes make apps for iPhone so in internet they are thousend and thousend and everyday something new.
Some peoples here try theyr best to do something but this is not enought HTC must really to think about this.. because this is a serious problem and i think in the future if they didn`t do anything to fix this problem they will lose alot costumers .....
Now i don`t like how the iPhone look... i prefer my Blackstone design i don`t like the Apple but i can`t say on the Black to say its White...really i play with some iphones and they are very FAST interface and responding to the touch and you are able to have so much FUN with that device...
Someone will say the device is made for Bussines and to calling but this is not true if i want to calling i will buy a phone for $30 without any OS and will not have delay in the ringing will not crash and etc and will be ablel to calling and etc.
Now i seriously think that soon i will be totaly pissed..from all this and will need to buy an iPhone 3G the problem is that like i say we dont have a contracts and now if i wana buy it i need to pay cash around $500 and what to do with my Blackstone? i can`t just spend money for phones like this.
Maybe i need to sell my Blackstone to take some money and to spend money buying an iPhone i hate that liek i say im not iPhone fan...but............. just HTC lose me like a costumer.
Befor a Year if someone tell me that i will buy an iPhone and will wana sell my HTC i will not believe him but this is the truth....
Not Fun Apps, Not Software not ANything they just sell you a expensive device and you can download a few ringtones from the HTC Club... THANK YOU

Blowfish64 said:
With a JB iPhone I really don't have to, not because you can't customize it (you pretty much fully can),
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oh really? Please explain. No you cant, that is completely false. Show me an alternate UI? So me multi tasking? Show me anything other than the possibility of changing an icon lol. The iphone is an app launcher, plain and simple. You simply cant customize it, you can just put different apps on it.

bb69 said:
I'm not an apple fanboy, I have an ipod touch but have never owned an iphone because I like to customise my phones too much & I know you can't really do that with an iphone. Having said that, I think it's so stupid how some people pretend that the iphone isn't a good phone just because they have some sort of issue with apple or the number of people that use their products. Say what you want about the closed OS or whatever, but I don't see how you can deny that the iphone completely changed the cell phone business and for the average user there are few phones that are as easy to use and have as an asthetically pleasing interface as the iphone.
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i agree with what you say other than "aesthetically pleasing interface as the iphone"
How is a screen full of icons aesthetically pleasing? Its arguable that it isnt even a UI Just a program launcher

hi
with ref to the camera i dont think the HTC camera is any better
my phone has a 3.2megpik and it suks
valkryomnia said:
I hate the Iphone, not because I'm jealous.
Its just, well, a ****ty phone all around.
Without its apps, what can it do?
Browse the webs slowly,
and make calls.
No camera / recording (untill recently)
Camera sucks anyway in quality and effects
Cant MMS,
no removable memory or battery!!
Here:
http://www.fun.chanun.com/images/Iphone-vs-Rock.jpg
And here:
http://www.ihatemyiphone.com
Also, then think about how much money you will spend with your iphone for mainly crappy apps that people make just to make money... and remember that the only way to customize it is to hack it, and risk breaking it... and even still it isnt very customizable.
Its your choise.
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HTC HD2 versus iPhone, Blackberry Storm 2

Hello,
I have been recently thinking about changing my HTC Touch Cruise for something newer. To my mind obviously came: HTC HD2, iPhone, Blackberry Storm2.
I know that specifications-wise, HTC wins. BUT...
I have recently experienced the new Blackberry and realized that: the operation system works much quicker and nicer than Windows which HTC uses. It also seems to have less problems -> my current HTC needs a good hard restart once a week or so, because it freezes on more demanding films or some music.
I thought that Windows has much more applications available - well, I am not so sure any more once I realized that thesaurus.com produced their dictionaries for... iPhone and Blackberry. Windows has lost its market and is not taken into account by the newest developers.
I am also wondering whether 4.3'' isn't a little bit too much -> I won't be able to put it into my pocket any longer!
What do you think? HTC seems to have created a very beautiful palmtop, full of great specifications but it has also committed one crucial mistake - it used Windows...
I would be grateful if you could share with me your opinions. Maybe my fear is unjustified and the newest HD2 works perfectly in all the aspects easily beating the competition?

I have to agree with you.
I have been a WM fan for the last 5 years or so and have become disilusioned with the OS. I too was looking for a change and had been watching the LEO. This is indeed a good hardware spec, but imho let down by WM6.5. I decided that I was after a better consumer experiance and opted for the iPhone. Everyone raves about them for a long time now so I decided (after much researching) that I would try one. I have not been let down by it yet. Mind you, I've only had it 3 weeks. I'm taking a punt that in 18 months or so, WM will have caught up or Andriod will have matured, but until then, I'll take a walk on the dark side.
So far I'm loving the fact that is just seems to work and it integrates with my car hifi perfecly. I can now play music and do hands free over Bluetooth. Under WM I could only do handsfree. Surfing the internet is now almost as easy as on my desktop. Safari browser beats anything else I've tried so far. The on screen keyboard was a worry at first, but it's easy to use, especialy in landscap (I have big thumbs). As a music player, well it beats WM any day of the week.
I know I will eventualy hit it's limitations, and when I do I'll consider jailbreaking, much like using custom ROMs from here realy. Untill then I'll keep an eye on the mobile development and look forward to seeing what happens in 18 months.
Good luck with your search, for now I have found my answer, I hope you find yours.
Mav

Personally I'd go for the HD2, as I rank spec more than software. The iPhone is a but too common and its pricing is a far too high for what you get (mins and txts etc). Blackberry has the same problem its too common, I know loads of people with Blackberrys who only use them for Facebook, but if your the kind of person who send and receieves loads of e-mails get a BB as they do it better than WinMo and iPhone.
Alex

Here we go again..........
Leo of course

Well I have been WM for several years and thought I would give the iPhone a trial. A BIG MISTAKE. Its dredful and im getting a HD2 next week.

I thought i'd add my comments to this, i've been predominantly symbian s60 / win mob for years now due to the fact that they "do" everything. But i think its fair to say that windows in all guises comes with the fact that as soon as you start to ask a bit of it, it sticks it's fingers up at you and stops working (symbian too, but to a lesser degree). Usually resulting in a reboot. I recently had an upgrade to do so i started researching into what i might get. In the end, after a spate with symbian, i v much wanted a win mo device but was ever so curious about the iphone. So many ppl couldn't be wrong, right? I was also deeply tempted by the blackberry bold too. I ended up going for the iphone as the upgrade and bought a TP2 as well. I just couldn't do the iphone thing on its own in case i hated it.
Pleasingly, i don't. The iphone is everything a win mo phone isn't, and vica versa. The iphone is completely dependable, never misses a beat, does what it does do perfectly and apart from some of the crazy apps, completely dull. It is frustratingly good. Even multitasking isn't really much of an issue due to push notifications and the like. I'd love to say the screen res is an issue but it never is. Safari is in a league of it's own. But it is dull. I use it as my everyday phone because it's dependable, but i use my TP2 to mess about with, i've had that many different ROM's on it it's silly, i follow forum progress with different things going on with bated breath, excited to see if they can pull this new rom off, or a linux port. It's exciting, i can modify the hell out of it and personalise it my way. I can send files via bluetooth without having to jump through hoops (unlike the iphone).
So, it comes down to what you want it to do, and if you can put up with less or more customization. There is a lot to choose from out there now and it's hard to decide. Look at the palm pre, and droid, and what about the n900 0n maemo?? Whatever you decide, you'll end up with a really good bit of kit, cos the mobile world it going potty with new stuff at the mo.
Just one last note, in defence of win mo, it may be getting a bit left behind in terms of bling, but it still remains one of the most functional os's out there, it's just that the young guns have caught up now.

Hmmm as I don't like iPhone (because everyone has it) and I wouldn't go Sony Ericsson (because I don't believe in their great ability of doing palmtops), I am personally trying to find reasons for continuing with HTC.
1.Is Windows 7 going to be released "soonish", so that if I buy HD2 now I might get some (hopefully) acceptable o/s?
2.There is also Droid Eris / HTC Dragon / HTC Passion / whatever it is called. If it is "HD2 on Google Android 2.0" then the question arises:
------is it just the case of software? If yes, I assume xda-masters will sooner or later allow easy migration between these two systems, or are there any technological obstacles? If this were true then this would be the best option -> One phone if you get bored - you can always swap to another o/s...
3. What was the market response to Android 2.0? What do you guys think about it, as compared with Windows?

I'm using Android at the moment having used WM for the past few years. It's version 1.5 and I'm loving it. Can't wait for 2.0 to come out for the Hero.
It hardly ever needs a reset - it 'just works'

The HD2 is one bad boy! No one knows when Windows 7 going to be released...maybe 3rd Q of 2010. But WM6.5.1 should be a lot sooner for the Leo...

I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol

mancsoulja said:
I think its funny that every ppc that htc release, we seem to have this debate "blah" vs iphone, or is "blah" the iphone killer, this has been going on since the touch diamond, personaly i dont think any ppc can be compaired to the iphone, as ppc's are tools with functionality where as the iphone is a toy, it has no real functionality, yeah it looks good and there are lots of apps availble for them but how many of them are useful? and as for "killing" the iphone its clear by now that it has a far too big a fan base to be killed off, anyway thats my 2 cents lol
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Well said!
+ 1 for this!
Every new phone and threads start with comparatives...

Very, Very UNFAIR comparison!!!
Seriously, HD2, go against someone ur OWN size (aka Xperia X10, i8910 HD, Motorola Milestone, N900, Acer F1)!
Leave iPhone alone! It's NOT even a smartphone (moreover not even a basic phone as it still lacks some basic phone functionality that people had for over a decade) as it doesn't even do multitasking...
What's "blackberry"?
bye

Buy --> HTC HD2 or Motorola Droid or Nexus One or SE xperia X10?!?!

well..changing new phone soon~ and these r two giant monsters which i kept my eyes on it.
hd2, winmo 6.5, big screen, terrific snapdragon, and bla bla bla. well, i'm a diamond user so i've already getting used to WinMo. it attracts me because of its fabulous 4.3 screen and its processor. well, rumor says it can be upgraded to winmo 7 though.
droid, android 2.0, 16M colours and 3.7 screen, a lil higher resoloution compare with hd2 but lost in the side of inches, 0.6'. and heard that it's using a so called newer technology processor, Cortex A8. 550Mhz processor but the speed is almost same with the iphone. One big holding back is the Android which i'm not familiar at all. oh ya, the crystal talk attracts me too.
So, can somebody tell me the good and the bad between this two? XD kinda in dilemma though.
share ur information and comments here!
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well guys, added another ANDROID phone in between choices now~
the NEXUS ONE. well, kinda appealing to me..=)
really kinda bored with WinMo as HD2 is using wm6.5 which i'm using now in diamond too. the only attractive thing is the super duper big screen, while going off to android, i'm a little skeptical as i really never ever hold an android-based phone.
ok~ sony Erricson X10~ another rumor-said amazing android phone~ a very high resolution-screened phone and high megapixel. but, wonder it can be upgrade to eclair or not...
hard choices..>.<
regards,
billy.

Stay with HTC!!
I would choose Leo or Rhodium

this two articles about the Motorola Milestone (Droid) might help you in your decision:
http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/12/review-motorola-milestone-droid-android-2-0/
http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/12/review-motorola-milestone-droid-hardware-impressions/
I have written both reviews, and especially the android 2.0 review should give you a good impression of what android offers on the Motorola Droid.
I wa using windows mobile devices since the mda magician, and switched to android (htc hero - i wrote a 5 part review series about the switch to android: http://smartphoneblogging.com/tag/htc-hero/) and didn't regret it. Android is really a great os, and if you get an htc android device you have xda devs support too, so you could also consider getting an htc hero or wait for the nextgen htc devices. I wouldn't get an HD2 at this point, because wm just isn't competitive the way it is right now, and nobody knows if wm7 will change anything.

I'm sure the Android OS is great but I believe it's some what restricting in allowing the user to go above and beyond the typical customizing.
If both are supported by xda, then that variable can be excluded.
But the variable that has everyone curious is the fact that WM7 is coming and the HD2 is in the lineup of devices that get a free upgrade to what might some are anticipating is Microsoft last chance in keeping there 8% market shares alive.
This might be an apple and oranges like comparison which typically means one of two things:
1) very easy choice
2) very hard choice
I would go to the HD2 world of things. Keep in mind with the fact that this device being fresh on the market simply means patience is needed before everything gets ironed out by the fantastic chefs here in this xda community.
Good Luck with it all.....

Lot could depend on your carrier & location. Even if you buy unlocked, it may not have 3G like the HD2 in the States right now...
I'm crossing over to the Nexus ONE!

well guys, added another ANDROID phone in between choices now~
the NEXUS ONE. well, kinda appealing to me..=)
really kinda bored with WinMo as HD2 is using wm6.5 which i'm using now in diamond too. the only attractive thing is the super duper big screen, while going off to android, i'm a little skeptical as i really never ever hold an android-based phone.
hard choices..>.<

Would you consider adding the X10 to this list?
I am considering all the above phones too, but my preferance for now is the X10.
It would save me starting what would basically be a replica of your post......

could anyone layout in terms of usage as well? i'm an engineer who basically deals with attachments from email (ms excel, word, powerpoint, pdf, etc) - maybe a bit of editing would be a plus =)
HD2 looks nice with the big screen + integration with microsoft, kinda lean me over to it but supposedly there must be 3rd party apps that can go with android, is there? how bout iphone?
love the part on phone tweaking too...so, any suggestion guys?
thanks!
-phone noob-

sneasel.. depends on wat u need actually.. n i dont really know whether android has those 3rd party or not as i'm winmoer XD but seems like hd2 suits u though.. =)

yup!
...and im officially a HD2 user! ;D

Dont go for any wm devices
look man ill put it straight. windows mobile have no sense of ownership of there own brand. They are lazy bunch of ppl out to make profits out of ****ty operating systems. I would recommend you to go with android operated systems cuz they are so much better, refined and have a sense of ownership not of what they create n you can see that on how well there operating systems look and operate. PERIOD
HTC systems are great but they are a waste when they're with windows mobile.

hurmm...from the looks of it, you are quite right, htc do have a great system...on android, i've never used one, so dont know anything bout it...since i got HD2 on my hand, hoping cud put in android to try em...
well...is like they say, what suits one, that will be the best~

Should my dad go for N8?

Hey guys, my dad is looking for a new phone. He currently has a 3 year old HTC Herald(A beaten up, broken touch screen, piece of ****) and seriously wants to have a replacement. He loves photography(Always tries to learn new things about his DSLR and improves his photography) so wants a phone that has a good camera. He wants a nice capacitive touch screen with e-mail(G-mail push) and facebook integration and GPS(With maps as well as map tracking) and perhaps some decent time-killer games. Nokia N8 costs about 22-24k INR here and sounds perfect for his needs, his other opinion was Dell Streak but it is about 34k INR plus its future of having gingerbread seems weak. Desire HD/Z are not available here plus they might be quite expensive when they make it here. I got a Desire and he doesn't want to have the same phone(Not that he found it to be bad, but he doesn't want to copy anyone. Plus camera on Desire is something he doesn't like(Not that I do)).
What do you think?

This is a matter of preference and I cant say much about the actual phone BUT after using android symbian just doesn't cut it anymore. But again this is only my opinion.

Agree with Daml...if you want to have also a GPS and maps, what is better than Android? I would stick with google OS instead of Symbian...

My GF has the N97 mini & was looking at N8 as hates the N97s Horrid UI, unfortunatly N8 is not a lot better.
Trying to move her to Android as far better OS than Nokia's bodged efforts at making Symbian touch friendly.
WM5 was better than OS on her N97 mini.

the n8 is a brick.
i played with thae phone. Symbian is wack in my opinion.

Well what would you guys suggest?

My wife has the N8. She likes it. It seems like a solid phone and hasn't given her any problems. Battery life is average, nowhere near her old phone, E71. She chose the N8 because of the ease of migration and the familiarity and she wanted a great camera. I forget where I read it, but the tagline was Nokia made a great camera with cell phone capabilities. It seems to be true. The Ovi Store and Ovi Maps are pretty good.
I can't directly compare with Android though. I prefer winmo and only boot to android for specific tasks or some game play.

Found migration using the Nokia transfer a long way from perfect.
The camera & build are only plus points, OS is simply a pathetic effort for aimed market & price.

Don't ask people on XDA about a Nokia device. You will only get troll and false answers. The only minus about the N8 is the application selection. Buy one to open the eyes of developers.

Seems like this post has been here for almost 2 weeks now so not sure if u have bought ur dad his phone yet.
However, i would disagree with the comments of people above me.
1) What is so bad about symbian^3? i agree that symbian1 sucked due to the inconsistent one and two touch to enter thing but symbian 3 has no such problems at all.
2) n8 offers alot more than just a 12Mp camera! It records in 720p HD, has active noice cancellation.
3) What other phones has a HDMI output? after taking pictures u can even just hook the phone up to a tv
4) I agree that there arent that many games yet, but it already has more than 10 HD games already so far and it's only been about 2 months. EA games are even backing the n8 symbian 3 by creating HD games for them!
hmm what else, i guess it does sell itself with the casing etc. I blive the top andriod atm is samsung galaxy s? The screen is nice indeed, but it has no flash and only 5mp camera, so night pictures are totally out of the picture. but yea try it before buying it! It's a really good phone i reckon, love the GPS on it too. oh and also not to mention the photo editing software that it comes with!

Mister B said:
Found migration using the Nokia transfer a long way from perfect.
The camera & build are only plus points, OS is simply a pathetic effort for aimed market & price.
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oh and btw, i migrated from my n86 to n8 without any problems. All my stuff got transfered over perfectly!

Yeh files migrated after afew attempts but sms dates are changed to date of the transfer which is a bit pathetic.
Had an issue with Thai font turning to squares after transfer, not good as both Nokia devices are Asian market & support Asian fonts so the transfer software appears to have an issue with this !
More customization of transfer options would be good too.
For price & Nokias long running in mobile market I would expect a lot more, the OS is about 3 years behind the compition ! My old WM2003se HTC Magician with Resco Photo Viewer makes an N97 mini photo viewer look completely pathetic, put it next to an iphone or WM6.5.3 OS & it looks like a 1st year students software project.

I'm not a nokia/symbian fan BUT, according with your dad's purposes, i think the N8 sounds exactly like the phone you're looking for.

xdaid said:
I'm not a nokia/symbian fan BUT, according with your dad's purposes, i think the N8 sounds exactly like the phone you're looking for.
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will the uma app below work on the NOKIA N8 does any one know .I am thinking of buying one ..thanks
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gariec11 said:
Seems like this post has been here for almost 2 weeks now so not sure if u have bought ur dad his phone yet.
However, i would disagree with the comments of people above me.
1) What is so bad about symbian^3? i agree that symbian1 sucked due to the inconsistent one and two touch to enter thing but symbian 3 has no such problems at all.
2) n8 offers alot more than just a 12Mp camera! It records in 720p HD, has active noice cancellation.
3) What other phones has a HDMI output? after taking pictures u can even just hook the phone up to a tv
4) I agree that there arent that many games yet, but it already has more than 10 HD games already so far and it's only been about 2 months. EA games are even backing the n8 symbian 3 by creating HD games for them!
hmm what else, i guess it does sell itself with the casing etc. I blive the top andriod atm is samsung galaxy s? The screen is nice indeed, but it has no flash and only 5mp camera, so night pictures are totally out of the picture. but yea try it before buying it! It's a really good phone i reckon, love the GPS on it too. oh and also not to mention the photo editing software that it comes with!
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I have both a premium android device (mytouch 4g with froyo) and N8. Although it comes down to individual preference, I prefer the android device. The UI is much more user friendly and smooth, theres actually a portrait qwerty keyboard available. The widgets are also much more customisable and easier to use. Additionally, the apps make the android device much more favourable. As a medical student, I find a plethora of medical apps available on Android (almost as many as the Iphone), and even otherwise there are a lot more apps available to make it feel like a true smartphone. It's also the little things that matter, such as the fact that the Android phone automatically syncs your contacts with facebook and twitter profiles of your friends, whereas the N8 does not appear to have this capability.
Admittedly the N8 feels like a lot more sturdy device (has gorilla glass and aluminised body), but I got it largely because of the availability of Ovi Maps (although I like Google Maps, I don't like the idea of needing a data connection everytime I go outside and need it). One other thing is that the N8 is a pentaband 3g device, meaning it would work on 3g networks in virtually every country and with every provider, although to my knowledge there is no such android device. This would be esp useful if you travel a lot (like me). This is something I personally think the people at Nokia should have actually bothered to mention when marketing the device. I mainly keep the N8 to listen to music, and for when I go overseas, but it is not my main device.
Overall, I'd definitely say go with the android device (esp. as the mytouch 4g is a great device).

it's up to you , but i think HTC is better!

Not in the camera department. If you want a camera phone look at samsung, nokia or sony's selection.

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