So, with the new Samsung Galaxy on its way (waiting for some carries to get a move on) there (to me) seems to be a possibility to get a PS2 emulator running quite well with the new specs.
1Ghz HummingBird "Cortex A8"
PowerVR SGX540
---{"Samsung Galaxy S’ “Hummingbird” A8 chip will be able to process around 90 million triangle per second. That is compared to the Moto DROID’s 7 mill tri/sec, the Nexus One’s 22 million tri/sec, and the iPhone 3G S’ 28 million tri/sec."}---
---{"In other words, the Samsung Galaxy S will have around 36% the video processing power of a PS3. Hopefully it doesn’t get as hot as a PS3."}---
With this in mind I would think that is it quite possible to run a PS2 emulator on the new Samsung Galaxy S. Not to mention the rumored 1.5Ghz dual core Snapdragon coming to T-mobile either this Christmas season or early next year.
One thing to remember, is that although a PC with say a 3Ghz Dual core with 4Gb ram trying to run a PS2 emulator runs like crap, the architecture of the PC processor and graphics is different form that of consoles, which is why it requires to much to get a smooth play out of it. Cell phones share a very similar structure (from my knowledge at least) to consoles. This to me says that newer android phones should be quite capable of running a PS2 emu.
If you head over to the GLBenchmark website (.com) and look up the result database you will see the Galaxy S at the top (minus a comal naz-10, whatever that is) and if you compare the Galaxy S results with the Droid, Droid X, Droid 2, Iphone 4, you will see that it just rapes each phone by a huge range. I am not sure of playstion 2 specs but I am more then sure the phone should be able to handle it!
Playstion2 specs can be found on wikipedia (will not copy and paste all that info.)
To me it seems like its highly possible, and I would love to play my racing games on the phone (Tokyo Extreme Racer Drift2, TXRD2)
Thoughts and opinions welcome, no bashing (I get this in other forums).
even a 3 Ghz i7 isn't able to emulate a ps2 @fullspeed (depending by the emulated game - sure, there are many playable games - i know that because im interested in emulation and tested many games (search youtube for "frankyfife"). there is many code to translate by the emu, to produce native code for the plattform running on. the ps2 has vector units, the emotion engine, spu and gs which need to be emulated. no way to do this an a 1 Ghz cellphone, even with similar specs or identical main cpu architecture/function.
I really hate to be a nerf herder but if a 1Ghz snapdragon droid can play playstation one games, and the galaxy s with 1Ghz hummingbird and graphics chip that is way more powerful then the droid should be able to handle it fine.
Take for example facts that lead to a hypothesis of power.
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
These results are based off SOME facts with SOME uncertainties that leads to a hypothesis. If this is INDEED the case, the galaxy S is ALMOST 7 times more powerful then the droid (6.4xxxxxxxx when 90 is divided by 14). And your saying that it can't handle it without trying? I've seen youtube video's of phones playing playstation games smoothly with little jitterbugging and medium quality sound. Take into account the faster processor and cpu in the galaxy s and you use less resources to play the game, leaving more for sound processing, which in turn will make the ps1 games run perfect (theoretically) and possible ps2 if not DECENT ps2.
EDIT: Not to mention the PS3 running at 250 million triangles/sec, that makes the galaxy s like 38 some % of a ps3!
No, just no. It can't be done with cellphones as @xdaywalkerx said. I have been able to play Guilty Gear and some visual novels on PS2 emulator on my i5 @ 4.00GHz and with 4GB of DDR3 RAM. Unless you find a way to efficiently emulate all the hardware in PS2 it is impossible.
Quintasan said:
No, just no. It can't be done with cellphones as @xdaywalkerx said. I have been able to play Guilty Gear and some visual novels on PS2 emulator on my i5 @ 4.00GHz and with 4GB of DDR3 RAM. Unless you find a way to efficiently emulate all the hardware in PS2 it is impossible.
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PC Processors and GPUs work completely different then consoles, that's why it takes so much power to even try to squeeze out performance. Phones have the same if not extremely similar processors and gpu's (at least how they are made and how they work).
Running a emulator on a phone is different then a PC. If the droid can run final fantasy and other games from playstation one, then what is the galaxy gonna be able to do with over 6x more graphics processing power?
keep on dreaming
Just stop, it is impossible. It doesn't matter if the architecture is similar, you're still emulating which takes way more resources than the native machine requires.
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PC Processors and GPUs work completely different then consoles, that's why it takes so much power to even try to squeeze out performance. Phones have the same if not extremely similar processors and gpu's (at least how they are made and how they work).
Running a emulator on a phone is different then a PC. If the droid can run final fantasy and other games from playstation one, then what is the galaxy gonna be able to do with over 6x more graphics processing power?
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You can't just take theoretical numbers like that and simply assume that just because the Hummingbird can crunch out (throwing a random number right here) 15 million polygons/second, it doesn't mean that it can emulate PS2 titles and crunch out 15 million polygons/second emulating a PS2 title.
As xdaywalkerx said, the Emotion Engine is much more difficult to emulate when compared to the PlayStation 1's MIPS R3051. PS2 emulation is not even well done on Windows computers; not necessarily because of the lack of CPU/GPU power, but the difficulty in emulating the titles as well.
Hell, the Droid can't even run every single PS1 title available, even when overclocked.
how about a psp emu? some psp games look and feel like ps2 games.
Maybe possible with very dumbed down graphics and super-low resolution... but then would it look like ps2? Probably not
SNES StarFox and Stunt Race FX don't run full speed on my Galaxy S.
Burnout 3? Vice City? GOW? MGS2? No chance.
But a Sega Saturn emulator...well...
I've seen the captivate run crash bandicoot 3 on psx emu @ full speed with no problems, just lack of control since its touch screen and requires quick reactions.....
It's simply not possible.
I'd say... it won't work. The processor wouldn't even run it...
The GPU would fail.
However,
A psp emulator, could potentially work.
The facts
You see, a standard PSP (not the PSP Go) is overclocked automatically to 333mhz for SOME games... This 333mhz is the maximum. Most games run at 266mhz. To Emulate something you need roughly 4 times the processing power. And for graphics, you also would need a decent GPU.
So processing wise, a PSP emulator for phones is actually very possible. The graphics could possibly be pulled off.
But this would only work on High end phones with a decent enough screensize... e.g. the streak, droid (X) to name a few.
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Did some research.
Pixel Fill Rate of the PSP's GPU is 664 Megapixels per second, on a high end phone the GPU is around 133 to 250 Megapixels per second. The PSP does 33 Million triangles a second.. Whereas, we'll get possibly 7 to 22 million triangles per second. This shows that even a emulating a PSP entirely would be impossible... However you COULD emulate it. It just never would be full speed..
So if a PSP, won't run perfectly, I'm afraid a PS2 emulator won't.
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Pixel Fill Rate of the PSP's GPU is 664 Megapixels per second, on a high end phone the GPU is around 133 to 250 Megapixels per second. The PSP does 33 Million triangles a second.. Whereas, we'll get possibly 7 to 22 million triangles per second. This shows that even a emulating a PSP entirely would be impossible... However you COULD emulate it. It just never would be full speed..
So if a PSP, won't run perfectly, I'm afraid a PS2 emulator won't.
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Samsung Galaxy S is rumored to be super powerful compared to the measly droid.
It is also rumored to have 90 million triangles per second.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/07/03/samsung-galaxy-s-is-a-beast-runs-quake-3-perfectly/
I hate to be an ass but the PS3 has 250 million triangles per second from what I've seen around the web (rsx chipset?), the psp is no where near that entirely. PS3 runs the RSX chip? or w/e it is, and its said to run 250 million triangles per second, and also seen a comparison (but i don't really believe it) says the 360 does 500 million triangles per second.
"66 million vertices / triangles per second calculated by the Emotion
Engine, and 75 million triangles per second can be drawn by the
Graphics Synthesizer (obviously the EE can only feed 66M per second to
the GS, thus as a result the EE can never overload the GS "
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"PSP can *calculate* 33 or 35 million vertices / triangles per second
at the full 333 MHz clock frequency, which currently restricted to 222
MHz, so that cuts vertex / triangle rate down by 1/3. so, this
33~35 million per sec is currently at about 22-23 million per sec. at
222 MHz. Remember, this is the amount that can be transformed /
calculated, so you can think of this PSP triangle/sec number as you
would the 66M per sec that Emotion Engine in PS2 does. "
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http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/33327-13-versus-triangles-second
I still think its possible with newer phones, especially if the dual core 1.5ghz snapdragon comes out @ christmas like its rumored.....
You're confusing two entirely different things.
Yes, high-end Android phones are able to run games that are similar in graphics to the PSP/PS2.
But emulation? Impossible. To emulate a system, you generally need to be at least 3 times as powerful, and that's probably way too little.
If it was this easy, you'd think the people that made the PS2 themselves would be able to emulate it on the PS3.
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You're confusing two entirely different things.
Yes, high-end Android phones are able to run games that are similar in graphics to the PSP/PS2.
But emulation? Impossible. To emulate a system, you generally need to be at least 3 times as powerful, and that's probably way too little.
If it was this easy, you'd think the people that made the PS2 themselves would be able to emulate it on the PS3.
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They did emulate it on the PS3, they took it out on the newer models for god knows what reason. I have the original PS3 from launch and it plays all my PS2 games without a hickup.....
And where do you get this 3x more powerful, if that's the case, my dual core amd 3.0ghz with 4 gig of ram and a 5770 should run ps2 games just fine and it dont, its laggy.
Emulation on a PC is massively different then emulating on a phone. The phones shares more architecture with consoles then actual PC's do, hence why phones are just now hitting the 1ghz and 1.5ghz level. There are already videos of the galaxy s running crash bandicoot 3 with the droid emulator set to 60fps max and it runs perfectly, and I mean PERFECTLY. (except lack of controls). The Galaxy S also runs quake 3 arena perfectly (minus lack of controls, but that one i think can be solved with a simple bluetooth mouse and keyboard?).
Its possible, people just like to write it off..... w/e, I'm done with this website, too many haters with no facts.
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They did emulate it on the PS3, they took it out on the newer models for god knows what reason. I have the original PS3 from launch and it plays all my PS2 games without a hickup.....
And where do you get this 3x more powerful, if that's the case, my dual core amd 3.0ghz with 4 gig of ram and a 5770 should run ps2 games just fine and it dont, its laggy.
Emulation on a PC is massively different then emulating on a phone. The phones shares more architecture with consoles then actual PC's do, hence why phones are just now hitting the 1ghz and 1.5ghz level. There are already videos of the galaxy s running crash bandicoot 3 with the droid emulator set to 60fps max and it runs perfectly, and I mean PERFECTLY. (except lack of controls). The Galaxy S also runs quake 3 arena perfectly (minus lack of controls, but that one i think can be solved with a simple bluetooth mouse and keyboard?).
Its possible, people just like to write it off..... w/e, I'm done with this website, too many haters with no facts.
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Well, emulating process is the same on all architectures - creating virtual machine and "translating it" to be understandable for device's architecture. Of course it's not that simple, but hope you understand . Even if sb wrote PS2 emulator, I doubt it'll have over 5 fps.
Quake 3 is running smooth, because it's running natively (ported engine for ARM and GPU is supporting OpenGL, which quake uses). Maybe PSX is running great on Galaxy S, but even my very old PC with Pentium III 400MHz and geforce 2 mx could run it at full speed
Oh and your PS3 is running PS2 games smooth, because first consoles had PS2's chip inside . They removed it later.
How about you get your facts straight first?
It was on the first batch of PS3s because Sony put some of the PS2s hardware in the PS3, as they couldn't possibly launch without backwards compatibility.
They took the PS2 hardware out later to reduce costs.
Emulation on phones is not "massively different" than PCs, our phones use ARM architecture CPUs, while the PS2 uses MIPS processors for its Emotion Engine.
make an emulator that works and we will buy it. shouldn't be hard since you seem to know a lot about it
I’m curious as to what kind of performance other people are getting in Dungeon Defenders on your stock Nexus S? I have had the game for more then a month now and it runs great up until certain points in battle with the influx of multiple waves and towers blasting away. The game doesn’t become unplayable but it does get a little choppy until all the mobs are cleared out. I would think this as being the norm for such a graphic intense game but I see people saying how great this game runs on their phone (droid, evo, galaxy s whatever). I’m trying to gauge what “runs great” means for others that have the game and if my Nexus S is underperforming for some reason. I have tried all the tips for getting better performance out of the game but it doesn’t seem to help much. Is this what everyone experiences for this game on your Nexus S?
What rom are you using?
I noticed on Stock 2.3.2 the gpu seamed to perform the best in smartbench, cm mod always scored lower.
Stock 2.3.3 also scores lower and the latest nightly cm 11 build is scoring like 1600 in smartbench for gpu appose to stock 2.3.2 which scored 3000....
I think it may just have something to do with newer video drivers being used though which smartbench is misreading.
I actually think the hummingbird is just as capable for gaming as the Nvidia cpu the only difference is this game and others to come are being optimized for Nvidia, nvidia is possibly even paying for this the way they do on PC.
I was thinking of buying N.O.V.A. 2, Order and Chaos, and maybe one of those 3-d racing games I'm just not sure how well the Charge can run higher end games, I'm running 1.8.5 Gcharged with Voodoo and the ability to OC(although I haven't yet). Anyone care to comment on the smoothness at which any of these games run(if you've bought any).
Modern Combat 2 runs as well as it possibly can.
Just tested N.O.V.A. and it's perfect! Seems just as smooth as playing on my PSP. Running Humble with Voodoo enabled, not overclocked(1ghz) and actually considering underclocking if it doesn't hurt the gaming performance, gotta save battery life any way I can!
N.O.V.A 2 runs really smooth for me on stock ROM. Also you should try out Samurai Vengeance 2, great game.
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SV2 is a pretty fun game! Thanks for the tip, also glad that N.O.V.A. 2 is working, planning on buying that once I beat N.O.V.A.
It's pretty funny, an underclocked Droid Charge runs even the top spec requirement games just as smooth as a phone like the Galaxy SII with its dual core 1.2ghz and 1gb of RAM. haha.
Any game that's out right now on Android should run very well since the Charge's GPU is still pretty high-end and that matters more than having a current-gen dual-core processor. Tegra 2's graphics capabilities aren't really that extraordinary in comparison.
Tegra 3, on the other hand, is a big step up (5x faster than Tegra 2), and at that point we may see games the Charge can't run (well)... but that's not due until the 2nd half of this year.
Hey all I picked up one of the Acer Igonia B1 tablets from Asda yesterday just for giggles. The specs looked reasonable and it really dosent disapoint. You can play a fair few games on this thing without it lagging out.
Video proof:
Hi,
although it is a nice review (though I don't get why you had such a long intro and then said a lot of things again plus the constant "hi" made me feel like it was supposed to be in like 5 different videos, not in one review), I don't think that this tablet is suited for gaming. Now, at 99 pounds, it may be the best thing out there today, however, that is only due to the dualcore processor becoming mainstream (just as one core 1Ghz procesors became before) and Acer is only among the first who gave the dual core to its low end tablets... Now sure, the dual core can run a lot of games but call it a gaming tablet is a bit too much if you ask me. The games you showed were... Well, the Need For Speed was a bit slow, if you ask me (now I'm really sensitive about FPS and I get dizzy if I play a game with 20-24FPS only) and the other games weren't HW demanding at all. For example, the Dead Trigger is excelently optimalized (at least for all the dual cores) but when it comes to more intensive gaming, like GTA, I don't think you're gonna have a good time. It can run a lot of games - today, but after half a year? It's gonna breathe hard not only because of the dual core, but mainly because of only 512MB ram. People from acer didn't sit down and said "well, we need great tablet for the lowest price possible, what can we get" but sat and said "well, what parts can we get for the lowest price?" This is the outcome. I wouldn't really buy that for gaming (at least if it had 1GB ram) but I can see a lot of less demanding people happy with that (dual core is excellent for browsing and "not so hardcore" games).
People want a lot for £99 these days!
Anyway, good review, more in-depth than others I've seen, glad that it can handle many of the popular games & will be picking one up soon enough
Odp: £99 Gaming Tablet - Acer Iconia B1
Could you try order and chaos or modern combat? How is plastic screen in every day use? Is it worth to sell desire hd and buy this thing?
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Meowing Byakuei said:
Could you try order and chaos or modern combat? How is plastic screen in every day use? Is it worth to sell desire hd and buy this thing?
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Hey! I bought the tablet 2-3 days ago and I am really satisfied with it. For 3D gaming on the tablet I have tested the following games:
-Order & Chaos Online (Runs with absolutely no lag for me, however, graphics is not as good as it is on iPod and possibly other android devices)
-Shadowgun: Deadzone (Runs smoothly)
-Shadowgun (Same as above)
-Heroes of Order & Chaos (Does lag a bit at some points, but not much and it is playable)
-The Sims: Freeplay (Runs smoothly, but lags at menu screen)
-Six Guns (Runs smoothly, nothing to say on this one)
-Mass Effect: Infiltrator (Runs smoothly, haven't experienced any lag yet)
-Critical Strike: Portable (Runs smoothly)
-Minecraft (Runs smoothly)
I am going to try Modern Combat 3 when it has finished downloading and I will possibly try some other games aswell
Hiya I have this tablet and I've had a few sl101 and a few shanzai tabs and I can say this is one is good at gaming but I was really miffed as the capacative sensor went wonky so after loosing my temper with Acer support I decided to fix myself and it was amazingly easy I didn't have to do much
The back popped off simple and I discovered the black ribbon cable for the sensor was about a 1mm loose at one end and clip wasn't homed so I pushed it in and now its perfect good all rounder tablet I would say not a hardcore gamer tab but you wouldn't expect a 99 quid tab to be awesome
Just my tuppence
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I just picked this baby up today, its great! Modern combat 4 works as well as it does on my optimus 4x. Just wish the internal memory was bigger, but if I can persuade my GF to root it I will no longer have that problem very recommended, poor mans nexus 7!
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I to just got this tablet and it's okay for the price but found a lot of my games are not compatible with it like gta vice city and gta 3.
And I found that reading is hard to do because of the plastic screen I would say it's a 8 out of 10 tablet.
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Update sold it due to compatibility with most apps so lowering my rating to 6 out of 10
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