Will AT&T meet its self imposed deadline for 5 Android Devices by mid-year? - Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]

Will AT&T meet its self imposed deadline for 5 Android Devices by mid-year? - Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]

Excerpts from THIS 1/6/2010 press release
AT&T Press Release said:
AT&T Launches Major Initiative to Bring 'Apps to All'
Company Also Plans to Launch Five Android-Based Devices in First Half of 2010
Las Vegas, Nevada, January 6, 2010
...At the 4th annual AT&T Developer Summit in Las Vegas, executives outlined details including:
...AT&T will further its leadership in smartphones with the planned launch of five new devices from Dell, HTC and Motorola based on the Android platform. Those devices, which are scheduled to be available during the first half of 2010, include:
* A Motorola smartphone, powered by MOTOBLUR, with a unique form factor and an AT&T exclusive
* Dell’s first smartphone, based on the Android platform and an AT&T exclusive
* A HTC smartphone, based on the Android platform, and an AT&T exclusive
AT&T customers with these devices will benefit not only from the nation’s fastest 3G network but also the ability to simultaneously talk on the phone while surfing the Web or reading email. Customers can sign up for email notifications as more details are available at www.att.com/android.
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Will they make it? Will they be close? What Devices?
My guesses for the last three promised for mid year (though I don't think they're on track to make it), after the Moto Backflip and the Dell Aero:
* HTC Legend
* HTC Desire
* HTC Slide out dealie (their exclusive HTC)
After that, maybe the Samsung Galaxy S, Maybe a Moto Milestone.
If these things don't come to pass, then it will lend support to those that say that AT&T is enjoying too much success with it's iphone exclusivity to rock that boat by taking Android seriously. If AT&T keeps it's word, it will be an interesting 39 days until the end of the first half of the year.

with the recent rumors about the Lg Aloha, Samsung Galaxy S, Dell Aero, Dell Streak it seems like they might get some decent android phones. Only time will tell if they will jack them up like they did the backflip

AT&T has a habit of taking a good concept phone, castrating it, pricing it way too high, slapping their Nazi data plan requirement policies on it, and sticking it on the market. Nothing will change.
People with half a neuron buy their phones third-party, unlocked. My rooted G1 outperforms anything stock that AT&T puts out, thanks to the modding community.

Legend and Desire seem like plausible candidates. Also there was a "confirmed" rumor about the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10, not sure what happened with regard to that one.

The Desire is too nice. I'm sure they'll pick 4 more craptastic Android phones if that. They may have a different version of what "the middle of the year" means.

dvdivx said:
They may have a different version of what "the middle of the year" means.
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Yeah, that thought occurred to me, but I don't think the bean counting year is the version they were referring to in the press release, though if they fail it could be a convenient excuse.
I hope they get on the stick - the HTC Desire would be a great fit.

the Sony xperia x10a, HTC Desire and Dell Aero mini ar the only ones left my guess is the Nexus 1 is the HTC exlcusive From a post I read yesterday ATT Iphone contract done in June? maybe it was July but its over with for sure this year Read somewhere local to me VZW picking up the iPhone 4, 3 employees in the store have the phone in their possession and are bound by a confidentiality agreement, but this is all speculation still but according to this they will come close to doing it even though all release dates are unofficial. My guess is they are having problems with branding and keeping them locked to their crapware only. http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-T-Cingular-carrier-c_14_3.html
I'm sure this all old news though

So what does this say for an exclusive iPhone retailer selling more and more android phones....wonder how Stevie jobs feels bout this lol
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[EXCLUSIVE] HTC Portfolio 2010 (Q1-Q2)

How all began...
Few months ago, back in October, while browsing our beloving xda.devs forum, i bumped onto the "General" section, on a thread rumoring about a new HTC Android device. Some were claiming that specific's device name was the "HTC Dragon (Zoom 2)", the ancestor of Leo loaded with the forthcoming Android 2.0 OS, hoaxing as well, the one and only picture available, regarding the what was called "HTC Dragon". I started participating on that discussion, giving the 1st valid nfo about that device, that the named was faulty rumored with that name, but instead it would be called as "HTC Bravo".
As always ppl were fully douptful about those nfo's i gave (as usal), so i deciced to give a bit more, leaking for the 1st time, some known specs and the original name of coz once more. Discussion has been forgotten, till i possed few days l8r an "HTC bible" as i called it up to now, with specific device names of and original up-to-now, known specs of thoses devices.. So i deciced to spread the word out once more and give the exclusivity to xda's again, as i totally hoped (and still do to be honest) that a thunderstorm was coming from HTC, so leaking the nfo, would be the best, for all of u to have FIRST what others still seeking desperately and without any result, what our eyes will face and see and what our hands will hold thrilled in few months, after the arrival of 2010....
Presense...
I was changing my mind every single day, whether this should be or should not done, by providing ONLY the nfo about HTC Bravo and Bravo itself, but then i rethought, that its better to be done now and let u know, all about it in one specific thread. I duuno if this has be done in the past, here @ xda's, with such a massive amount of nfo gathhered in one piece/thread, coz it would be pointless to give all these nfo's on the thread which gave me the motivation for such action, the one i reffered above.
So what you and i bet so many other forums in lighting speed from 2night, as happened with Leo and its specs few months ago, will witness, are scanned images from the prototype brochure i own, with HTC 2010 Portfolio, presented in Vienna, on Ocotber 2009, (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-44-07_0002.jpg) on a global meeting about HTC's portfolio till June 2010, as company's strategy is to circulate what's has already designed up to the first 6 months of each and every year and leave the rest from June till December for another one, few months later.
At this point i would like to apologise, for the quality of the images i am gonna present you, as my scanner, though it's scanning capabilities are enough, for high quality results, keeps on messing up, but still, all my images, are coloured and visible enough for your eyes to see, high valiable and confidential stuff. I won't write for each and every device the specs, as thankfully all this nfo, is printed on them (the most basic ones and known by HTC so far, coz maybe will change something add and/or remove, as happened with Leo's extra RAM the very last mom before Leo's massive productivity, as they have found on specific apps, a general time dealy while handling these apps), so do base on those but do not start accusing me if HTC changes something on the near future, as they know their planes better than anybody else .
So on this brochure, HTC, categorises the devices, into segments, not only based on their OS (Android-WM), but on a more marketting consumer basis. So i will refer you now what these categories r and further on, make my own two, which are Windows Mobile Devices and Android ones. What is certainly sure, is that HTC AGAIN, performs a fantastic designing piece of work, but still stuck to some well-known-key-selling HW like small cameras (tops 5MP), 600Mhz CPU's and so on so forth...
Categories:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-45-07_0003.jpg
So, HTC categorizes these fones which i will say up to now is Q1-Q2 2010 list for the reason i explained before, in 4 main Categories, where the devices, have specific characteristics and specs:
Design / Lifestyle
Social
Performance
Productivity
Accordingly, the represenatives for each and every category are as following:
Design / Lifestyle
Legend
Salsa
Social
Tide
Buzz
Performance
Bravo
Productivity
Photon
Trophy
Tera (Pretty close to Touch Pro2)
Now, that we made things clear on how HTC sees its products, its time, for us to make our own discrimination based on those devices and categorise them, exclusively, based on their loaded OS (Android / Windows Mobile )
So here w go:
WM 6.5 Devices:
Tera
Trophy
Photon
Android Devices:
Legend
Salsa (With QWERTY keyboard)
Bravo (NOT Passion and/or Dragon)
Tide
Buzz 
Perfect! Now that we settled down what we are about to witness,i think ist about time for the thunderstorm.... Will take each category one-by-one, make a small review for each and every device seperately and below of every device its photos respectively, not in thumbnails (as they are big in order to maintain their original quality and be more obvious for you to see them more clearly) but in http links to see the entire images as originally scanned.
Design / Lifestyle
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-52-57_0005.jpg
Legend
"Legend" is the ansestor of the most succsful Android device, along with "Magic", the "HTC Hero". Offers absolutely stylish look, covered with a metallic frame as you will see, slim with just 11.4mm, loaded with HTC Sense and a central bottom clickable Optical Mouse for easy navigation like with Magic and Hero and of course Android OS. Arriving March 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-55-54_0006.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-57-19_0007.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0618-59-01_0007.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-00-13_0008.jpg
Salsa
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-01-40_0009.jpg
"Salsa" is a Blackkberry styled, Android, handset, with just 8.6mm thickness, absolutely stylish, slimmest QWERTY keypad, distinctive "Edge" design and great for social networking as it fully supports all well known Social Networking sites, Facebook, Twitter etc, while also supports IM capabilities and browsing firends photo albums via Flickr pre-installed app.Arriving June 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-02-53_0010.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-04-16_0011.jpg
Social
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-11-48_0016A.jpg
Tide
With "Tide", user can njoy best of leading touch experience and a keypad. Like with Salsa, is great for social networking as it fully supports all well known Social Networking sites, Facebook, Twitter, Plurk etc, while also supports IM capabilities and browsing firends photo albums via Flickr pre-installed app. Loaded with Android OS. Arriving April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-11-48_0016.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-13-26_0017A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-13-26_0017.jpg
Buzz
"Buzz" at first look, seems like it will be the ansestor of HTC Tattoo, as it offers the capabillity of covers change, for those who love changing their phones, by having multiple full different coloured covers. It's and Android based has a huge 3.2" sceen, 5MP Cam with Autofocus and Flash, awesome design and it's designed for applications and applications sharing.Arriving May 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-15-21_0018.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-15-21_0018A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-17-05_0019.jpg
Performance
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-05-45_0012.jpg
Bravo
HTC's hero model of Q1-Q2 of 2010 , a real flagship with exceptional specs and characteristics, will be named as "HTC Bravo". Rumors wanted this device with loads of different names (Passion/Dragon) and specs, but below you will see its original fotos allong with up-to-now specs. Bravo supposedly will follow the same good recepie as happened with Leo (HD2) and we can say, that if HTC had something in mind about an Android version of Leo, then Bravo is the one.
Representative of the Performance (and not by chance ) category based on HTC's categorization it has fantastic style and design, eqquiped with the sucessive killer Snapdragon QSD 8250 1GHz CPU (as in Leo), HD 720p Video caprure, 3.7" WVGA AMOLED screen, 256RAM (guess it will be increased to 512Mb accoridng to my latest inside nfo) with 16GB MicroSD card in-box, and 1400mAh battery capacity and HTC Sence of course, is certainly what eveybody would like to own, considering that will b loaded with the latest Android OS possible at that time. HTC's "killer phone" as they call it, will definately face on its way and will have to compete, Rachael X10i SE and time is left to tell what the results will bring to light And as HTC's latest moto is about their new 2010 portfolio, i will inheritate and say, "I want it NOW" Arriving April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-07-17_0013.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-07-17_0013A.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-08-52_0014.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-08-52_0014A.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-10-13_0015.jpg
Productivity
Photon
When i first took a closer look to "Photon" (without looking to its specs) i was shocked by its design and immediately thought that comparing to "Bravo" that will be HTC flagship device of 2010, as its almost the same with Leo with slight differences. Its a WM 6.5 device, 3.2" HVGA screen, 256RAM, 5MP campera and eqquipped with Snapdragon MSM7227 600Hz CPU. As with "Bravo" it is expected to arrive on April 2010.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-19-23_0020.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-19-23_0020A.jpg
Trophy
A month later, on May 2010, another WM 6.5 device, coded named as "Trophy", will offer the opportunity of a touch phone with QWERT keypad, 3.0" VGA screen, 5MP Camera, huge battery capacity, 1400mAh and nice design.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-21-06_0021.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-22-58_0022.jpg
Tera
Last representative of the Productivity HTC category, we meet, the coded named device, "Tera". It looks so alike to HTC Touch Pro2, thats it hard to find any differences. Slided-up full QWERTY keypad, loaded with WM 6.5 OS, 3.2MP Cam, 256RAM and 1300mAh, its a device which i don't know if it has to show up something new, but will certainly b a medium consuming device.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-24-13_0023.jpg
Specs:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/2009-12-0619-24-13_0023A.jpg
Final Word:
What was previously presented, is a product of a huge effort and work i've performed for over a month now, in order to be able to gather all the highly valuable nfo for you to witness. It took me more than half a day to compose it and more than 3hrs of str8 scanning and image editting and processing for the best possible result, crazy uploading time, of this huge brochure, which also including marketting stuff and analysis, which i don't think matters a lot, as the pics and specs is what ppl need nowadays. Once more i wanna clearly mention, that i am not responsible if those specs change for any possible reason within the forthcoming months as happened with Leo, the very last min, prior to ist mass production, so keep it low and slow and don't start accusing me that the nfo's were a hoax, as they are totally true up to now.
For those reasons, please i am asking to repsect this effort, give credits as it does matter, as apart that it was being so tough to be completed, its of highly of a risk of what am i doing as a profession, coz ur having from now and on, exclusivily, here on xda.devs, what others still only imagine or assume... Hope soon i will get back to you and keep this post further updated as much as i can (IF by tom i won't lose m job & end up caged on a basement giving explanations why did i do that ), with any other info and/or correction will be available, even if i have new devices listing to share with.Do handle these nfo really carefully and do not spread any other hoax around, i think ppl neeed real deal and not half way through stuff. My apologisies to the admins for being so detailed with this thread and for all of you, start dreaming as i am already doing, of having thses babies, on time, onto my hands, for squeezing them out to death for beta testing and modding as a new guy just joined where i work and h will b much of a help to suck those devices brains out!!
So, as my favo acting game hero Ben, stated on the epic adventurous, hard-rock Full Throttle game...
Let the demolition derby begins....Give'em hell Polecats

Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
Also, what are your thoughts/insights into this rumor that the Passion will be released by TMob US in the first 2 weeks of January? Do you have any info on that particular phone (specs, dates, etc)?

Yey!
Oo, I have been waiting for this the whole day! Thanks!

Waiting with anxious!
Congratulations.

So no Passion or Dragon in january, just bravo?

Most probable yeah....unless something changes the very last min...

Andy5 said:
So no Passion or Dragon in january, just bravo?
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Bravo in April. Nothing in January.

Thanks a lot for the excellent infoz B3ler3fonte.
Many of the pictures say "T-Mobile NATCO Day". Does this mean these phones are only going to T-Mobile and what is "NATCO Day"?
Do you think the April release date will be the earliest we see a new HTC performance phone?

wonderbread57 said:
Thanks a lot for the excellent infoz B3ler3fonte.
Many of the pictures say "T-Mobile NATCO Day". Does this mean these phones are only going to T-Mobile and what is "NATCO Day"?
Do you think the April release date will be the earliest we see a new HTC performance phone?
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I was about to mention about the TMO logo on them, but i ran out of....15000 words limit , so i was watting for som1 to mention it. So, this logo was due to the fact that TMO is interested on those mobiles for the 2010 as @ Vienna each and every Operator, took its brochure with what has been already agreed.
To make things even more clear, no i DO NOT work for TMO, it just happned to have this brochure which was meant for TMO and the NATCO Day logo, is just for internal TMO days with global Ventors such HTC, to make deals and they call em NATCO days
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.

Wow this is awesome! The Bravo is by far my favorite of them all! Thanks so much for leaking this out!

B3ler3fonte said:
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.
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Too bad... I was really hoping for a 4.3" Android, Snapdragon 1Ghz phone. Guess I'll just have to wait for the WinMob HD2 since the "Passion/Dragon" doesn't even exist

Excellently presented Now we have lot's to digest & think about for the long April wait

jackhappy said:
Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
Also, what are your thoughts/insights into this rumor that the Passion will be released by TMob US in the first 2 weeks of January? Do you have any info on that particular phone (specs, dates, etc)?
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@B3ler3fonte, Aw Snap. Please, just stab me through the heart one more time. You are NOT saying that the Dragon/Passion is a separate phone. You are saying that Dragon/Passion does not exist. You are saying there is only the Bravo and its coming out in APRIL?!?! I just need to understand this clearly so I can go out and buy a MotoDroid tomorrow.
Thanks for the wonderful work (no matter how much it hurts).

jackhappy said:
Sweet, thanks!
Just to clarify: You're saying that the Passion/Dragon is a completely separate phone from the Bravo, right? Or are you saying that the Bravo was just incorrectly rumored to be called the Passion/Dragon?
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I am wondering this also.

The Bravo is looking so hot!

thank you very much for posting this, we appreciate it!
I and many other will be disappointed to not see a 4.3" android device.
Just one question: you say this is a brochure of phones T Mobile was interested in? does this mean there could be other HTC devices to be released that aren't in this brochure because T Mobile isn't interested in them?

I agree with MinotaurOnyx..I guess this means I can get the Droid Eris now..No sense in waiting for a phone that does not exist...At this point we don't even know if the HTC Bravo will even be a US phone.

I think the Passion/Dragon does exist in one form or another, remember it was in the leaked 2.1 ROM list. Also, from what I recall of the rumors, the Passion/Dragon was supposed to be released Q4 2009, and this is a 2010 brochure. So the rumor of a so-called Passion coming to TMo in early Jan might still be true--it may have been targeted for Dec but just got pushed back, therefore it does not appear in this brochure.
However, that image the Unlocker had a few months back of an Android device with a big screen probably was the Bravo, as B3ler3fonte suggested.
So the big question is, if that device with the big screen was the Bravo, what the heck is the Passion/Dragon?
Also, those of you that are now thinking about getting the Hero or Droid-- get a one year contract. It's only 70 bucks more for the phone under a one year contract on Verizon. Too much good stuff coming out next year to get a 2 year contract.

The Bravo is just perfect. Nice to see it can read DivX on a beautiful AMOLED display.
I think that 3.7 inch is just perfect for the screen, 4.3 is way too much.
4 month to wait, just for my birthday
So the successor of the Hero will be the Legend I think. Nice evolution, new screen and new processor too.

B3ler3fonte said:
If nothing will change soon b4 2009, then yes, the earliest of the next flagship HTC model, performance (see "Bravo") device from HTC, will be on April.
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Thanks for the further description.
What are your thoughts about the list of HTC codenames listed by an XDA member a few days ago? The list mentioned the Bravo and the Passion/PassionC/Dragon separately which suggest they are separate phones.
source: AndroidSpin
The info in that link is no where as credible as what you have just posted but given the overlap in some model names and your knowledge, it would be good to get your opinion of it.

HTC making so many phones - mistake?

Hi,
Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?

TT1986 said:
Hi,
Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?
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I agree with some of what you said; but I think that there are just too many Android phones, not just from HTC. Also, I don't understand why all the higher-end Android phones are all CDMA. Does Verizon really need 3 high-end Android phones for its customers? I understand the need for choice and whatnot, but when you have too many to manage, that becomes a problem. For example, when it comes to marketing, which one of the phones should you focus on?
If there was one high quality, well-built, and attractive Android phone, I think it would be very successful. The Nexus One is a good example, but compared to the other higher-end phones available right now, its hardware does seem like they are lacking.

i think they are. flooding the market and not putting all focus in a few devices that could be better.

HTC doesn't have that much really:
HTC Wildfire: Current Low-end
HTC Tattoo: Previous low-end
HTC Desire: Current flag-ship
HTC Legend: Previous flag-ship, nearing end of life.
HTC MagicL EOL.
HTC Hero: EOL.
Pretty much Desire & Wildfire is all they got. Desire is getting a bit behind, so now comes Desire HD.
Evo and Incredible are CDMA only. So 4 phones total.

kekkle said:
HTC doesn't have that much really:
HTC Wildfire: Current Low-end
HTC Tattoo: Previous low-end
HTC Desire: Current flag-ship
HTC Legend: Previous flag-ship, nearing end of life.
HTC MagicL EOL.
HTC Hero: EOL.
Pretty much Desire & Wildfire is all they got. Desire is getting a bit behind, so now comes Desire HD.
Evo and Incredible are CDMA only. So 4 phones total.
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Not really, how about the following devices:
Nexus 1 (it may be google branded, but manufactured by HTC)
Leo (all variants)
Rhodium (all variants)
HD Mini
Espresso
Aria
Upcoming the G2 (HTC Vanguard)
Quite a few more than just 4. And I already know that the OP was referring to Android phones, but that is not the only market that HTC is targeting (hence my inclusion of the WM devices in the list)

egzthunder1 said:
Not really, how about the following devices:
Nexus 1 (it may be google branded, but manufactured by HTC)
Leo (all variants)
Rhodium (all variants)
HD Mini
Espresso
Aria
Upcoming the G2 (HTC Vanguard)
Quite a few more than just 4. And I already know that the OP was referring to Android phones, but that is not the only market that HTC is targeting (hence my inclusion of the WM devices in the list)
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Those are pretty much the same deal as above, but then packed with WinMo.

I think they aren't, just look at nokia
Everyone is screaming about updates but then nokia have never updated a phone and have been quite successful
Android os reflects bad on itself on its own without anyone's help. For example the Bt transfer on my "android flagship device" wasn't working a month ago, 3 years after they anounced it and on the god knows which firmware (2.1 it was). It doesn't have a built in file manager , how do you think did I buy one from the marketplace. And it has adds, what are these for . Yeah it's free but then I don't recall the desire being much cheaper than the hd2 if you compare the prices on the release dates.

freakzone said:
I think they aren't, just look at nokia .. nokia have never updated a phone and have been quite successful.
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Is this a joke?? Nokia are hardly successful if you look at their performance since the N95 was released (last successful device).
HTC's short support history is really starting to irk me.

More HTC models should appear, we still need a 1Ghz, hardware keyboard WM device!!

DroidBois said:
Is this a joke?? Nokia are hardly successful if you look at their performance since the N95 was released (last successful device).
HTC's short support history is really starting to irk me.
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Nokia have never updated a phone even before the N95 e.g. when they were succesfull. They sell a lot of phones now too, just the smart ones are not very popular

Nokia are a joke, I'd take HTC and Android any day over Nokia. The web almost blew up from complaints about the buggy N97 when it came out.

I disagree with the quote that "Nokia never updated their phone".
The N900 received the PR1.1 and 1.2 and is waiting for 1.3

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Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?
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Yes, I agree.
I like more the "apple way", where they release one phone each year, and they support it for at least 3 years.
If you ask me, HTC should do no more than 3 a year, and then provide 3 years support at least.

I disagree whole heartedly!
I dont see HTC have made to many phones.
Allot of phones people are still buying are last years phone (leo is a great example!).
Its no longer HTCs flagship phone, but people are still buying it.
Am I right in saying HTC only have 4 phones on sale (in the UK atleast) running android, which are still in production?
I.e. The wildfire, desire, desire HD and the desire Z? (WTF is with all the desire names lol) Im not saying the N1 because I thought it was no longer being made (correct me if im wrong )
And in my opinion thats the perfect line up!
Each handset offers something different.
desire = good allround phone
desire HD = large screen
Desire Z = hardware keyboard
Wildfire = lower end smartphone (which is very impressive may I add)
I guess over in the US you've got the evo too...
I think they are just about doing the right thing, not so much flooding the market, but giving a nice mix of designs

Maybe i'm missing something, but on 2010, they released, or plan to release (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTC_phones#A_Series_.28Android_phones.29):
HTC Bravo
HTC Legend
HTC Incredible
HTC Espresso
HTC Supersonic
HTC Buzz
HTC Liberty
HTC Ace
HTC Desire Z
Add to that HTC Photon, and HTC Passion (Nexus One), that makes it 11 phones in a year.

tbh They are not making too many, but if you include their CDMA phones aswell as GSM, Yes they are, i mean Three 4.3" phones is a bit silly

For me, the pace is quite normal for a booming company. And they sell quite well. Android is getting more popular day by day and they're taking advantage of that. However, I agree with you. This might be a mistake in the long term.

Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
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Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
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I want an innie! That is true, actually. Each year car makers release new models.

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Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
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That is not accurate, nor fair.
I think HTC should release 3 phones per year: budget, normal, premium.
Maybe each one as GSM/CDMA if they want, so 6 phones at most, in 3 "families".
They are releasing 11 phones this year.
And still there is no froyo for the legend.

I'll be darned - my Nook Color may get 2.2 before my Captivate!!!

... and to boot, B&N is already stating they are committed to 2.3 on it as well. That's a darn shame the Samsung and the carriers are slipping with these Galaxy S phones so bad

Just got this text message from at&t anyone know what it might be? I plan to decline the update since I am on a custom rom.
AT&T FREE MSG: AT&T is providing a free update for your phone. When asked to install the update, please select OK. Thank You.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't quality testing for an E- reader be somewhat less extensive than it would be for a smartphone?
My guess is the Nook just needs to be able to run the OS and a few apps. The Captivate was past that stage months ago... probably before the phone was even released.

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Just got this text message from at&t anyone know what it might be? I plan to decline the update since I am on a custom rom.
AT&T FREE MSG: AT&T is providing a free update for your phone. When asked to install the update, please select OK. Thank You.
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That's just the old update. They've been spamming everyone with it for the most part.

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... and to boot, B&N is already stating they are committed to 2.3 on it as well. That's a darn shame the Samsung and the carriers are slipping with these Galaxy S phones so bad
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And my apple refuses to peel as easily as my orange. What's up with that?!

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And my apple refuses to peel as easily as my orange. What's up with that?!
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Yeah, weird, you should have a doctor look at that for you before it turns green and falls off...

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Great, now get your Nook to make calls and run apps and you're all set!!

My gripe is this, I got my Captivate July 14th from Best buy, this is now December 15th! Froyo was released in I believe May. Why Samsung didn't release all Galaxy S. phones with 2.2 is quite idiotic when I'm sure they had the 2.2 souce before May and could have put it on all models of the Galaxy S phones at launch or by the end of August at THE LATEST!!!
I got my Nook Color November 20th, and B&N has already committed to bringing out 2.2 by the end of January and 2.3 later next year. And this I can believe, before the nook color I had the original nook, they upgraded the firmware on that device at least half a dozen times in a years time. The most We've heard from samsung is delay after delay, when the phones were first show Samsung was stating the 2.2 release would be by August, then by the end of summer, then by mid november.... IT"S NOW MID DECEMBER - six months since the first Galaxy S phones were released and almost 8 months since froyo was released to manufacturers and no one still has a definate date.
Now some people will say "It's the carriers fault for the delay!!!" That's partially true, but you must remember Samsung supposedly released the code to the carriers at the end of September/mid October, whom in turn haven't even acknowledged that they have it nor given anyone a straight answer on a release date. But that's just two months out of six since Galazy S was released so you can't really blame the carriers fully about something that should have had 2.2 to begin with.
And as far as the people saying "The Nook Color is an ereader, Galaxy S is a phone!!! Beyond the GSM chip, the camera and bluetooth and their associated applications the underlying OS is the same - and it's not like B&N just threw stock vanilla Android on their device, they tweaked and overlayed the heck out of it, just like Samsung does with their phones. So why does it take Samsung almost half a year to release an upgrade for their phones while B&N can release an upgrade in two months?
So what were they doing all that time? I guess working on 2.3 to work with Nexus S - which is basically a Galaxy S phone with a different body, curved screen and an NFS chip thrown in. So what happens to all of the Galaxy S phones? IF Samsung is smart they will release 2.3 to all of the Galaxy S phones no later than March, there's no excuse not to especially when they just put out another Galaxy S clone with 2.3.

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...Beyond the GSM chip, the camera and bluetooth and their associated applications...
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I...don't even know where to begin. Doesn't matter anyway as you clearly just want to complain.

Yep, I'm venting, I love my Captivate for the hardware that's in it but right now it's like having a high speed sports car with only first and second gear. And as time goes on and the lack of initiative from Samsung and AT&T to try to keep this phone up to date makes me think I should have just jumped ship and looked at an HTC device. It's just mind boggling that a $250 non-contract device may get more updates than something that I paid $200 for WITH a 1-2 year contract which will total more than $1.5k when it's all said and done.
Of course I could just go and slap on a 2.2 ROM and be content and then wait for the dev's to put 2.3 out for it, but it shouldn't have to be that way, we shouldn't have to rely on dev's to cook them up for us when the average person with a Galaxy S phone has a 1-2 year contract on it.
With that much money going into the device over a 1-2 year span for the purchase of the device and service the phone should be guaranteed at least two major updates not just creak by with one whenever the manufacturers and carriers feel they should put effort into it.As much as I hate Apple that's one place where they got it right - making sure their iPhones are upgradeable for the life of a purchasers contract.

Dude, you shoulda got the Dell.. isn't the Aero still on Cupcake?

I had a Dell Aero V50 Windows mobile PDA once during my windows mobile heydays, took them forever to put out the update to windows mobile 5.0, great update but too late, by then I jumped ship to Windows Mobile Phone Samsung BlackJack, which Samsung at least put out the updates for everyone to grab offline and easily update their phones even though AT&T never put it out officially.
After that going thru three HTC window Mobile phones maybe I got spoiled, HTC was in the same boat Samsung is in now with makeing several variations of a phone (Tilt/Fuze/Tilt2) but didn't play with customers emotions they updated their phones, when one was able to update they were all able to be updated off of their site, and if you wanted you could wait for AT&T to bring out their watered down version but never anything like this.

htc=amazing ?...samsung and motorola= FAIL ?

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/13/com...ates-of-all-carriers-manufacturers-in-the-us/
I just wanted to bring to discuss all the bs surrounding these two companies (samsung and motorola) and the owners that purchase their devices. So glad I stuck with the true android gurus HTC!
lol I feel so sorry for you samsung and motorola owners. It obvious these two companies are known for poor customer support, build quality and most important getting updates out to their phones...and yet you guys continue to feed them their money. Why do they continue to invest in these companies that are KNOWN for having slow to no updates and not having good customer support for previous phones? Just look at their track record...
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/oh-hai-motorola-wherefore-art-my-updates/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/samsung-says-behold-2-not-upgradeable-beyond-android-1-6/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/bad-move-for-motorola-t-mobile-and-android-in-general/
You think the you samsung owners would have learned after that whole behold 2 fiasco...but i guess not. Now the vibrant owners have to deal with samsung bs....
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/12/rum...ate-being-purposely-held-due-to-vibrant-plus/
(What sucks most about this above one...my friends ancient mytouch 3g even has froyo, so your telling me the vibrant cant get any froyo love?...lmao samsung you fail.)
And just when you thought the NS owners were going to be that "special" group...lol think again...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-gt-i9023-hits-fcc-a-new-version-of-the-nexus-s-with-and/
The point that im trying to make is that they need to just stick with HTC. Almost every phone they have put out has been amazing for their time. The original g1, nexus one, evo, incredible, g2, desire, desire HD, mytouch 3g and 4g etc... All of these phones produced by HTC were amazing in their own right and had the customer support of htc to back them. Even if updates were "slow" ( and HTC updates are no where near as slow samsung and motorola) HTC would always keep their customers in loop about what was happening with their phones.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.

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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.

Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
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Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.

As you can tell, Motorola updates only Verizon phones. Samsung updates their phones... eventually. HTC is the best in terms of upgrading and I did hear that the myTouch Slide is getting froyo.

That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.

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I heard that was similar to the Droid.
HTC does have more experience in the smartphone market (for the most part, they only release smartphones) so maybe that explains why they can update quickly.

Exact same except for the GSM radio. Now why Motorola has not committed to updated Milestone, nobody knows. They've updated their other Milestone lineup, and even just released the Milestone 2.

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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
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Lol compared to the other two..yes they are . I'm guessing you didn't read my response about me being a previous motorola owner and learning my lesson. I bough the phone under the impression I would be receiving good customer service and timely update. But guess what...I didn't, and I learned my lesson. Look at the links, read my comments fully before you comment troll.
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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Eh, I love HTC and in many ways they do excel but I gotta say they are lacking in the display department. Fortunately I own 14 phones (11 of which are HTC) so any time I want to watch a movie I pull out the focus. Other times, eh, venue pro or HD7. HD2 if I ever feel like tweaking stuff again.

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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?

Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.

Motoblur is a rare garbage. I believe only no-lifers want to know "what their friends up to on every social network." This is the only reason I still try not to buy the defy. Why the hell a guy, who does sport stuff and would like a durable phone, needs effin facebook 24/7? Wrong target Motorola.
PS: Didn't Motorola said that they would discontinue Blur? I guess not..
Back to HTC. I own myTouch 3G and love it. It is trully a killer phone of it's time. Now there is no real killer phone from HTC. Quantity took over quality. They make ten new models every few month... I believe they should slow down and desing a real phone, that would kick all asses.
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Imo, they all suck and are only getting worse. And the real disrespect, is the disrespect shown by manufacturers towards their customers.
Sure, sure... if we squeak loud enough they'll throw us an update bone every now and again. (Provided you've bought the phone in their lineup they deem worthy to update). Of course that comes after they've got the next money-making piece of hardware ready to roll.

vbetts said:
You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
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Ok first things first...STOP POSTING ABOUT HARDWARE ISSUES. Yes all phones have hardware issues which can be fixed/ handled by sending your phone to be replaces. This thread is about the updates and customer support. I dont know why you cant read through my entire posts before writing. Your making yourself look ridiculous. No one is disputing the fact that their are hardware issues with ALL phones, what i disputing is the lack of support and customer compliance with samsung and motorola vs HTC. LOOK AT THE FIRST ARTICLE IN MY ORIGINAL POST BY PHANDROID.
Lol the thing that bothers me most about this post is that you continue to say im disrespecting people. Im an original Motorola cliq owner. I only said that i felt sorry for current and recently past Samsung and Motorola customer customers due to their companies horrible customer service and updates. I BACKED UP those remarks by posting recent articles from CREDIBLE WEBSITES, NOT JUST FORUMS OF A COUPLE ANGRY PEOPLE, that took the time out to RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MAJORITY of people dealing with these issues.
Lol and btw, the mytouch and hero users you mention were at least kept up to date with when their updates would be coming. Although the UPDATES DID TAKE A WHILE, HTC MADE SURE TO AT LEAST tell them the reason why and when they could expect them. Due to the lack of hardware support for such an old device. Btw i mentioned this in my original post post which shows me instead of being a calm objective reader you got a flamed head and skipped over that. Samsung and Motorola are notorious for ACTUALLY SETTING DATES and then ON THAT DATE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNDEFINED DELAY. I remember waiting about 4 months after for my update and then on the day of getting a message on a forum admin that "oh hey sorry guys there is no update, not sure when its coming but they are working on it". No reason as to why they did not have the update ready or even if they were actually working on it. That my friends what i call horrible customer relations and customer support.
Oh and how can i relate this with Samsung...My girlfriend had a Behold 2...enough said.
Oh and while your at it, why dont we just stick to android devices please, i actually have no idea how htc handles their other platforms. I am only relating android device from the 3 manufacturers.

hungry81 said:
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
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Thank you troll, can you bring your negative remarks to another thread please?

No one outside tech sites care about updates.

vetvito said:
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
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lol this is very true unfortunately.

What is this 18 month Support Thing?

If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?

Kenzibit said:
If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
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I hope it does lose support after 18 months as that leaves the room for new innovation every 18 months which is fantastic if you as an end user want value for money! 18 months in gadget years is a long time. I would rather prefer new screen res, new processors, new add-ons to the hardware that can be exploited using an updated OS. However, yes if the OS can do all these by not changing kernel etc, we might potentially still be able to update to newer OS, but would you not want those hardware features that evolve in 18 months? I would!

18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!

Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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For example, they could exploit the possibility of x86 instead of ARM?
or hexa-cores?
or kinect sensors?
Now imagine if we could run the new kernel and MSFT would give WP8 to us right now, but we had same hardware, we wouldn't be seeing those NFC goodies on our current phones or those games that exploit multicores!

Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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That would be idiotic. 3 years?
And considering that Android manufacturers abandon you before you've even bought it, 18 months is perfectly fine.
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18 months is fine its the length of your contracts eligibility so essentially your phone will be supported until the next wave comes out.

18 months is perfect, means you can enjoy your latest update for a half year before your contract expires and you can renew it icm with a new phone.

Come to think of this, then someone like me need not buy a flagship phone. When WP8 comes out, they'll be low end, mid range and high end phones, since I don't play a lot of games on my phone and just use my social, forum and productivity apps, I really don't need to buy a WP GS3 or One X like WP which will no be supported in 18 months time. Both high end and low end WP 8 devices will not be supported in 18 months time then I better buy a cheap WP8 device when it comes out. Or am I wrong?
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And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Kenzibit said:
And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Why is this such a complicated concept?
It's 18 months from when the phone is released.
If you buy a year old phone, then that would be your problem.
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Personally, I think it should be at least 24 months, in the US we all end up with 2 year contracts. Now if you buy the phone 3-4 months after it's release, who's fault is that ? Yours not Microsoft.
Now here's another good question that should effect US users. Does this 18 months start when the phone is released by the Carriers or the OEM ? Phones released in the US tend to get an overseas release before the US, sometimes as much as 6 months (GSM or CDMA).
How about the case of the Verizon Trophy or the Sprint Arrive, for example. The GSM Trophy was released about 8-9 months BEFORE the CDMA releases of the Arrive or the (few weeks later) Trophy. Yea, people say they are different phones but, MS could say, no a Trophy is a Trophy. Are you saying when I buy a CDMA phone (better coverage in the US now) my upgrades from Microsoft could only be 6-7 months on a just released phone, that I just signed a new 2 year contract on (sorry Lumia 900 owners) ?????????????????
All I know, when the WP8 devices start shipping, I will watch for the most popular one on here, and buy that one, because the XDA hackers will give me WP9, even if Microsoft does not

All its saying is Microsoft has to support them for AT LEAST 18 months. It doesn't mean they're necessarily going to abandon every 18 month old phone. All the contract says is that they are obliged to support us for 18 months. Who knows? We might even get windows phone 9 on or wp8 devices if they are compatible!

Knowing how Microsoft updates Windows and the XBOX, I would bet that you would get EVERY update including the major release, Unless your over 18 months after release (after 18months you will get all minor releases but, no more major updates).
As in the xbox, if your system requres a update, you can not access xbox live till you update. I'm sure MS would want everything standardized and on the same level if possable.

The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?

sinister1 said:
The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing happens after 18 months.
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sinister1 said:
The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing really...
They stop supporting your device(as for updates). I know that just because WP9 hits, your apps are not going to stop working or anything like that. It just means just like now, your going to get a minor update for Wp 7.5, and they will move on to WP8, all current apps will work fine and most of WP8 apps would work too (some games and big production apps could be an acception.)
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).

DavidinCT said:
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.

slimshady322 said:
But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
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Any new OS version WON'T have a bigger marketshare than that times ongoing OS.
e.g.
WP7.5 will have more than WP7.8 at its launch
WP7.8 will have more than WP8 at its launch
WP8 will have more than WP9 at its launch
etc.
So... even if WP8 sales are good since day 1, it will take at least 6-8 months to overtake that time's WP7.x userbase.
In the least effect, a W8 developer who ONLY ports to WP8 is losing potential 12 million customers - simple maths.

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