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Hopefully this goes through...
http://tinyurl.com/7a637q5
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I hope so...
I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I think they're the core of the patent war.....they seem to be always at war and stuff :/
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I think this is also a part of their marketing strategy. Consumer will become more curious so if they buy an apple brand maybe they will buy a samsung brand to compare by themselves whos better..As part of marketing, a profit for them both...But thats true theres a lot of choices and maybe much better than them definitely, but maybe thats why they doing an exposure to sell their products.
My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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"Almunia was careful to point out that this is hardly the only example of a potential abuse of intellectual property rights to distort the market, but with more than 20 cases in 10 countries it's certainly one of the largest and most high profile."
seems a bit odd that apple singles out samsung, not that they do persay... but it gets in media lol
Since a lot of the infringments seem to be from the software side which leads to google :S seems like apple doesn't want to tie up as much cash going after google than if it went after Samsung. Since samsung is a "safe" hit seeing as how apple is one of it's biggest hardware buyers so they can't go after apple too much, if apple doesn't sell well, then samsung loses out on a buyer as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/22/apple-and-samsungs-patent-battle-draws-concern-from-eu-competit/
Maybe under threat of such hefty fines, the two competitors will put aside their differences and actually compete... you know, in the marketplace instead of in the court room.
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I LOLed hard when i read that
which is so true that it's actually sad i'll rather see that energy and wasted money channelled into more R&D for better products
If the commission chooses to pursue legal action both Samsung and Apple could be fined up to 10 percent of their annual revenue.
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Awch... That's painful. 10% of annual revenue
But I doubt it'll stop both of their war. Might "change battleground" to somewhere else, other than patent. Just be ready ...
Heard Apple will tore down all Google Services. Hope that doesn't actually bites Apple back ...
Killing this planet's most reliable, unique profit taking company out of your company, might actually leads towards "your own" extinction.
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My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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excellent). more likely all of these disputes over money
There's a chance
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By the looks of things the ITC is preparing to come down on HTC.
http://newsinabox.net/2210/apple-wants-htc-products-to-be-banned-in-u-s.html
You can go here and contact the Intellectual Property division to express any concerns you might have. http://www.usitc.gov/scripts/contact_us.asp
I guess phones should be round... and instead of icons have scratch and sniff stickers... and instead of automatically dialing a number when you click it, the phone should have a robotic arm that pops out and scribbles it onto a post it note so you can dial it manually later....
We should ban every vehicle not made by Ford too....
You know which brands are good by looking at Apple's list of lawsuits.
Oh no, a little Asian company makes phone better than the Asian companies we hire! Lower suicide rates?! Must sue...
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http://newsinabox.net/2210/apple-wants-htc-products-to-be-banned-in-u-s.html
didnt work for me either but a google search brought it up as the first result.
Good old apple, if they get away with this ****, I'll be ashamed to exist in this era lol
They already took HP out. If HTC goes... I'm gonna smash my friends iPhone :x
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Or maybe not.
Shifted from my EVO.
I was hoping this tactic died with Jobs when he passed way (RIP) but I guess it didn't.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
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They already took HP out. If HTC goes... I'm gonna smash my friends iPhone :x
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Or maybe not.
Shifted from my EVO.
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I will do that, even living on Brazil and don't like that much HTC.
I've said for years. Apple's idea of "innovation" is via litigation. If you can't beat them sue the pants off them for some obscure patent. On that note the U.S. Patent system is long overdue for a overhaul. When patents can be this vague and actually be enforced in court there is a problem.
Thanks for the heads up on the link. Fixed...
Yeah... I don't want to break any rules about politics so I'll just leave it at email the ITC if you think this is crap. ITC hasn't been very friendly to companies that end up in Apple's crosshairs... Damn puppets.
HTC Sues Apple For Using Google Patents
http://thetechjournal.com/tech-news/htc-sues-apple-for-using-google-patents.xhtml
And, it's over....
And, it's over.....
No more HTC Android phones in the US.
What a shame to apple... just can't go around putting a ban to all these manufacturers. They got to accept it... MAYBE THEY HAVE RAN OUT OF IDEAS FOR A BETTER PHONE.
Bernstein Research analyst Pierre Ferragu notes that the ITC found HTC had violated one Apple patent, of 10 originally cited in the case. And violation of the patent is found in only two claims out of dozens. He notes that the patent relates to “identifying special text strings in emails and on Web pages and initiating special actions when these text strings are tapped or clicked (in simple terms, making a phone number a hyperlink in a text and kicking off the phone dialer when the link is clicked).”
Ferragu notes that since the ban does not take effect until April 19, the ITC effectively “gave HTC and U.S. carriers ample time to work around the limited violation.”
dont worry guys
no bans on htc yet
also isnt that hyperlink phone numbers thing already used by nokia n motorola years ago
the judges are plain stupid
HTC is working on a workaround to avoid the patent violation.
HTC is gonna stay in US
Apple must be banned from Belgium.
We had 2 IPhones here at home, expensive devices and both weren't working like they should....
It's going to be a while before they get a fix though.
Until then... HTC is banned from shipping in products to the USA.... The only exception is some refurbished devices.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/19/itc-sides-with-apple-in-patent-dispute-with-rival-htc/
Good thing is that the ban doesn't start until April 19 2012. They have some time... but we've all seen how fast HTC moves.
uck FApple!
If you can not inovate anymore, and your product is falling behind the competition, you must eliminate the competition before the brainless masses figure it out. Regardless of how putrid IOS 5 is (have an iphone for work) people who do not know better think that it "changes everything again". Apple must kill Samsung and HTC before anyone catches on. Mottorola they will spare
Well, sadly, in another thread regarding the shipment delays I made the poor mistake of defending Apple and claiming the shipments being held by the ITC was likely a routine screening and not being held up because of Apple.
Turns out, I was wrong. Apple has filed a formal grievance with the US ITC today saying that HTC hasn't actually resolved the software issues and should meet as an emergency and re-enact the ban blocking imports of HTC phones.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10560
This is just more over-aggressive bull**** lawsuits for no reason. HTC is in no position to even directly compete against Apple in the market, and ultimately is doing some of the most unique software and hardware design in the industry.
At what point does this whole mobile lawsuit nonsense come to a boiling point?
Also, as a point of full disclosure, and because I don't really want to ***** about Apple being the worst company on earth, I do own use and love my iPad, Macbook Air, and iMac. I do own an iPhone 4S but as of recently it sits off in a drawer while I use my HOX.
This thread was not started with the intention of people piling in to say how Apple is terrible, or builds ****ty products, but rather have a conversation about the challenges of the mobile industry moving forward. As each company tries to innovate and release compelling products the likelihood of overlapping features and functionality is inevitable. How does the industry encourage innovate without trampling intellectual property rights? (or in other words, **** Software Patents)
Apple is just pissed the one x is better than the iPhone
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This is so ridiculous...
What gets me is how many of these patent disputes are actually FRAND (fair use) issues.
I'm waiting for some judge to put down his iPhone and see things clearly. Patent law is out of control and companies are only using it to maintain a monopoly or remain profitable to their stockholders when their product is actually no longer inovative and has lost market share (see also TiVo)
Apple sees a threat in Android a threat that will screw the company I hate apple but now its the devil to me .
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But this is bs! Why would they do that, apple needs competition, its basic business 101. Does apple think since I can't get a htc one phone imma get me some ios?? Hell no and im sure like me, that's just gonna piss others off and make it a point NOT to buy any apple products.
Maybe a boycott of apple is in order.
Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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They should start focusing on a new iOS or putting something extraordinary in the iPhone 5 instead of law suites. Hop off android. Power users choose android and the rest use iOS their lawsuits won't convert anybody. They're always suing somebody haha. Samsung, HTC, might as well sue Google and the rest of the world.
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This has little to do with rightfully protecting intellectual property, and everything to do with patent trolling and using the law to attack competitors.
Android has gobbled up market share due to the fact that manufacturer are willing to give people variety and choices. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to lock everyone into one device form factor.
This also more represents Apple's failure to innovate, rather than the opposite. The iPhone has hardly changed its looks after 5 iterations. Aside from different backing material, it has looked almost exactly the same. And few internal hardware innovations as well. Aside from moving to a better screen, and a better camera, the hardware has only had incremental improvements (CPU and memory) over its entire lifespan.
The one form factor business model has benefited them in many ways, but we've come to a point where people now want bigger screens on their smartphones. Apple has simply run out of new ideas in the present form factor. Their biggest recent innovation. . . Siri (chuckle). They are stuck and they know it. If they move to a larger iPhone (and also a smaller iPad, or "iPad Mini" as its rumored) they begin to experience some of the OS fragmentation that they have criticized Android for so many times in the past.
I don't mean to complain about Apple so much, or sound like a hater. They make some nice devices, and have contributed some nice interface design to the smartphone world (earlier in the iPhones history). But its clear that they have stopped innovating. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they have chosen to use petty methods of attacking their competitors.
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Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
I really tend to agree. While no one can argue that iOS and the iPhone were amazing innovations, and helped spur the mobile industry as it stands now, iOS has really stagnated on innovate.
There haven't been amazing new features / innovations to the platform in awhile and it seems Apple cares more about others not doing what they have done in the past then focus on what they can do in the future.
I think everyday there are more examples of software design that should be open and licensed rather than closed IP. Things like "pull to refresh" and "pinch to zoom" are functionalities that exist in natural user interface and simple should be able to freely licensed to all software developers.
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
I just feel like software patents are going to be increasingly difficult to develop and protect and that these major players in the market need to understand there will be functionality overlaps. As such I want to see this bull**** end and cross-licensing begin.
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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That is rational. Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP. They have so much cash that they don't know what to do with it and there is no sign of their revenue stream stopping any time soon, so they don't need the money. This is just a pissing match at this point. Apple's intention is total "Thermo-Nuclear-War" annihilation of Android. Things might start to get a bit different now that Steve Jobs is not around...but perhaps it is too soon. Not that I agree with Apple.
I just think patent reform is needed. Competition is good though. In some ways I think Apple has helped HTC. Now HTC has notoriety. Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband. This HTC One X is now notorious. So even though sales were stopped because of customs I think more people now know what HTC is and that it represents a credible threat to Apple. People will want what they are told that they can't have....human nature.
This is why i got away from apple products not going to support their lawsuits... im tired of hearing this stuff but of course its not going to stop...
Instead of innovating they use wide spread patents to squash competition.
It's not just a problem in the phone industry, patents are way too wide sweeping, long lasting, and powerful these days. Try and remember patent law was created to promote innovation not crush it.
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Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband.
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I have experienced this too and with my old Samsung Captivate as well. When people see an Android phone they are wowed by it and by the ability to make it what YOU want. When they see an iPhone, it's just another iPhone, there's nothing special anymore, nothing "magical." I used to get excited over iPhone announcements back in the days where I was a poor high school student yearning to have a smartphone. Now, howveer, I find the annoucements boring because really, there's nothing to be excited about anymore.
Apple where we invented the lawsuit
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP.
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Well, it looks like that's exactly what happened, and HTC refused to license.
"Apple reportedly asked for $5 - $15 per device to settle Android patent dispute" (I'm not 'allowed' to post my source link, but if you google that headline, you should find it on the Dow Jones website. Article is dated May 5th, 2012.)
So HTC just went on their merry way and knowingly infringed on the patent. If they didn't see this coming, then they're idiots.
That said, I LOVE this damn phone! I see why Apple might have a little envy smeared on their faces!
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Money plain and simple friggin monopoly
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
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Thanks for clearing up my ignorance, that's totally what I meant to say, (reference to the book by G.O.), and the point I was trying to make, lol.
I don't totally hate on apple my MacBook pro still best computer I have, and its almost 4yo, and still kicks ass media wise. But this lawsuit thing is just out of control.
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Boycott Crapple and encourage others to do the same. Enough already.
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The article is very helpful with all the details in a timeline format.
"The patent litigations we see today in tech industry are classic examples of corporate greed that takes away customer choice and welfare."
Definitely true when courts start banning the sales of devices instead of just ordering the company to pay for it.
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What do you guys think?
I think Apple has pushed this so far that even those who love the Apple ecosystem have gotten tired of it. They are signing their own death warrant by both alienating even their staunch supporters and by stifling the very innovation that has become the hallmark of the mobile tech industry. iOS 5 and 6 literally owe almost every added feature to Android and to a lesser extent WP and R.I.M. It is the excitement of something new that put Apple on top but it is clear that without Jobs at the helm the company has become stagnant and seeks to bleed other companies dry rather than remaining a viable prospect in the marketplace. Tim Cook is clearly not competent for his leadership role if he thinks litigation is a viable long-term solution.
Apple will die soon enough, without Steve they're nothing
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I haven't seen any evidence that most apple users are really bothered by apples anti android tactics. There are still millions longing for the next iphone and saying that apple are great.
Apple won't die off, they still sell incredibly well and have done for the past five years. They are succeeding in most court cases and the only people really bothered are us android users, not people whose views cook and co are bothered about.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've seen people do the same but they all own android devices too, with apples new patents on everything from touch screens to displaying data on a screen I just can't see them going anywhere but up unfortunately.
They own patents that literally every mobile device can be seen as infringing so they have unlimited court case ammunition if their sales do drop and they need to make more money, they have judges in germany and usa imposing bans on rivals to limit competition and they have enough die hard fans to keep their business doing well even if the rest of the world did stop using their products.
I would love to see apple taught a lesson but the nearest anyone came was a uk judge telling them to apologise to samsung. What happened? Days later apple got an eu ban that overrides uk law.
They have unlimited resources and top lawyers, they also have patents on things every mobile device needs. They can't really lose.
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Well, Samsung just made their newest salvo so we'll see what comes of that. I really does appear that it's going to take a concerted effort from Sammny, Google, maybe a few others to fight this effectively. What amazes me is instances of Nokia and Microsoft supporting Apple in some of its previous complaints.
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/259842/apple_looked_to_sony_for_iphone_design_inspiration.html
One comment on the PC World article:
"By Gibson295
Wed Jul 25 14:33:21 PDT 2012
LAWL......
Trading my iPhone for a Galaxy nexus.
I won't lie, I'ma miss the battery life and the App store to a degree, A Bit (never rly used more then Netflix). But For Flash, and all the other goods, AND SHOWING APPLE HOW FLIPPEN DISPLEASED I AM WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
Me doing the right thing.
I excited, ya baby."
Might not be a large percentage, but when loyal users move away there's also the influence they have on other buyers. Apple has built itself on perception and between the increased reporting of Jobs' tyrannical leadership and Apple's increasingly public patent mongering I can at least say this won't do anything to grow Apple's marketshare.
Apple will die gradually..so they are frustrated. Sony & Samsung will rule the world.
Who cares. Apply are dying... No one will even remember then in 5 years time.
Sadly, there are a lot of apple fan-boys who will buy their products for the sake of the brand. Sad but true. But at least this showed that other companies have at least a fighting chance legally with the absurd limitations apple tries to impose on them. When i hard brick my phone i'm gonna slap an iphone sticker on it and sell to those apple die-hards for $$$
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Odds are Apple won't die. Even IBM survived it's almost devised. That said, if they continue in the same way there relevance in the market is is in for a rather sizeable shift.
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Lol....you mean Gandhi, dont you?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple are scared?
Apple are the ones who own the patents that are making their rivals lose in courts around the world, what are they scared of?
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rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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and they win this ridiculous case ........
this is getting boring apple just need to lay off they know there beaten-talk of sore losers.
http://allthingsd.com/20120731/sams...undercut-apples-design-claims/#slideshow-1-12
Given that Apple are arguing Samsung copied their iphone design, surely the fact that the judge refused to allow these iphone like designs (but that predate the iphone) as evidence is a sign of bias?
By not allowing the evidence to prove they were independently arriving at a similar design to Apple, Judge Koh has made Samsungs defence completely pointless because they now can't prove their point, yet conversely Apple are allowed to say that the same phone designs copy the iphone - even though they predate it, because the jury can never see the evidence to the contrary.
Surely this is a case of a judge sabotaging a case on purpose?
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A US judge favouring a US company over a foreign one at the expense of justice?
Shirley no such thing could happen.... Oh wait
My hatred for Apple is so great that I shall post here as well. Yes, it seems that there is clear bias here, actually what may even constitute misconduct, though it would be almost impossible to prove.
Apple is a US company in name only: All the employment is in China, and all the money is in offshore banks out of the IRS's reach. They don't really benefit people in the US so there is no point in favoring them.
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My hatred for Apple is so great that I shall post here as well. Yes, it seems that there is clear bias here, actually what may even constitute misconduct, though it would be almost impossible to prove.
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I agree, if the point of the trial is to show samsung didn't copy apple, and the evidence that proves it is excluded by the judge, that makes the case pretty unwinnable for samsung.
Not sure what Koh used as an excuse but even I'm wondering if she is biased now and I've been trying to keep an open mind about her rulings.
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Apple is a US company in name only: All the employment is in China, and all the money is in offshore banks out of the IRS's reach. They don't really benefit people in the US so there is no point in favoring them.
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But they bring the us economy, which is trillions of dollars in debt, a lot of much needed money so it makes sense they may have a vested interest in helping that revenue continue.
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No offense but the lot of you come off as rabid android fanboys. I was expecting a discussion about the evidence: not a circlejerk about how much you guys hate Apple and why Apple is bad for the world. Can we get back on topic please?
Now as I figure: Samsung is the one with the burden of proof, so it wouldn't make sense for Samsung to put up the Sony early designs to try and descredit Apple's position. If I was the judge: I would see that evidence as "unimportant" as to whether Samsung can be charged with copying Apple's designs (rectangle lol). It's not what you want to read, but it's a lot better than posting over and over: APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA...etc.
Ask yourselves. What is the importance of the excluded evidence to disproving Apple's claims?
Apple's claims are based on patents that they received, patents which Samsung is saying are invalid because they should not have been granted when there was already a chain of prior art. Not to knock you off your high horse, but you clearly don't understand what the basis of these proceedings are to begin with so why don't you start with that before you come in here tooling around?
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Apple's claims are based on patents that they received, patents which Samsung is saying are invalid because they should not have been granted when there was already a chain of prior art. Not to knock you off your high horse, but you clearly don't understand what the basis of these proceedings are to begin with so why don't you start with that before you come in here tooling around?
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+1 What he said!
I think the Judge's decision on this created a valid reason for an appeal.
Apple is just trying to get rid of competition legally because they realize they can't beat them in the actual phone wars. To me every lawsuit shows how much they are scrambling to try and stay in the running. Which is more pathetic every time and I will never buy one for the pure fact of these childish and desperate actions.
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No offense but the lot of you come off as rabid android fanboys. I was expecting a discussion about the evidence: not a circlejerk about how much you guys hate Apple and why Apple is bad for the world. Can we get back on topic please?
Now as I figure: Samsung is the one with the burden of proof, so it wouldn't make sense for Samsung to put up the Sony early designs to try and descredit Apple's position. If I was the judge: I would see that evidence as "unimportant" as to whether Samsung can be charged with copying Apple's designs (rectangle lol). It's not what you want to read, but it's a lot better than posting over and over: APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA...etc.
Ask yourselves. What is the importance of the excluded evidence to disproving Apple's claims?
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Don't take this the wrong way but what have the sony designs to do with this? I was specifically referring to the 2006 Samsung designs that are shown in the linked to article and not apples sony ones.
I can see your point regarding apples sony designs but we are on about pre iphone designs from samsung.
As you say samsung has burden of proof so by not allowing them to show that they had an iphone like design a year before the iphone was made public Judge Koh is dismissing their best evidence unfairly.
Please remember that this is not about the sony designs you seem to think it is but actual samsung designs. I think you assumed it was about sony ones which suggests you didn't read any of the article.
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alpha-niner64 said:
No offense but the lot of you come off as rabid android fanboys. I was expecting a discussion about the evidence: not a circlejerk about how much you guys hate Apple and why Apple is bad for the world. Can we get back on topic please?
Now as I figure: Samsung is the one with the burden of proof, so it wouldn't make sense for Samsung to put up the Sony early designs to try and descredit Apple's position. If I was the judge: I would see that evidence as "unimportant" as to whether Samsung can be charged with copying Apple's designs (rectangle lol). It's not what you want to read, but it's a lot better than posting over and over: APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA...etc.
Ask yourselves. What is the importance of the excluded evidence to disproving Apple's claims?
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Agreed, I use a Mac, an iPad and an android phone. And yes, Im pretty annoyed by these lawsuits as well;
alpha-niner64 said:
No offense but the lot of you come off as rabid android fanboys. I was expecting a discussion about the evidence: not a circlejerk about how much you guys hate Apple and why Apple is bad for the world. Can we get back on topic please?
Now as I figure: Samsung is the one with the burden of proof, so it wouldn't make sense for Samsung to put up the Sony early designs to try and descredit Apple's position. If I was the judge: I would see that evidence as "unimportant" as to whether Samsung can be charged with copying Apple's designs (rectangle lol). It's not what you want to read, but it's a lot better than posting over and over: APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA...etc.
Ask yourselves. What is the importance of the excluded evidence to disproving Apple's claims?
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Apart from the fact you didn't pay much attention at what we're talking about in this thread, i can't find many of these "APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA"-like comments here around.
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Agreed, I use a Mac, an iPad and an android phone. And yes, Im pretty annoyed by these lawsuits as well;
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That's right, pretty annoying. The "patent war" is actually apple which is attacking each other.
So, which is the way to stop this "war"?
1) apple stops with ridiculous lawsuits
or
2) everyone accepts apple's conditions and then no more android, no more smartphones (at least until someone comes up with a triangular device), no more tablets (btw, 1st tablet was from MS in 2002). As a result we'll have a total monopoly... great!
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Apart from the fact you didn't pay much attention at what we're talking about in this thread, i can't find many of these "APPLE IS TEH EVILZ, PROFITPROFITPROFITCHINESELABORCORRUPTAMERICA"-like comments here around.
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So in all the time you've been here on XDA: you never saw any thread that mentions Apple degrade into a pissing match. Consider yourself lucky then.
That's right, pretty annoying. But the "patent war" is actually apple which is attacking each other.
So, which is the way to stop this "war"?
1) apple stops with ridicolous lawsuits
or
2) everyone accepts apple's conditions and then no more android, no more smartphones (at least until someone comes up with a triangular device), no more tablets (btw, 1st tablet was from MS in 2002). As a result we'll have a total monopoly... great!
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I think we both know the answer to this already. Total reform of the patent system. Don't hate the player, hate the game and Apple's playing the game brilliantly. I've been saying this since 2002. Maybe with on-going revolutionaries in social-networking as well as continued popularization of media access through mobile devices will people finally get off their nut and make our government do something. Maybe enough of us will get together to start our own Pirate Party.
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MissionImprobable said:
Apple's claims are based on patents that they received, patents which Samsung is saying are invalid because they should not have been granted when there was already a chain of prior art. Not to knock you off your high horse, but you clearly don't understand what the basis of these proceedings are to begin with so why don't you start with that before you come in here tooling around?
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I'm thankful for the information. I'll take this over the usual "I hate Apple" posts. Since you seem sure of yourself, how can invalidating Apple's patents help Samsung? Does a judge really have the authority to invalidate a company's existing patent portfolio?
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btw, 1st tablet was from MS in 2002
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Not quite, first tablet pc concept was described in sixties and called the dynabook but not made, just described in detail even referring to use of a stylus and multitouch.
Apples newton tablet came out almost ten years before microsofts so ms were not first, although microsofts was the first tablet as we know them today.
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alpha-niner64 said:
I'm thankful for the information. I'll take this over the usual "I hate Apple" posts. Since you seem sure of yourself, how can invalidating Apple's patents help Samsung? Does a judge really have the authority to invalidate a company's existing patent portfolio?
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It helps Samsung and every other manufacturer because it will show that the U.S. courts have sense when dealing with what is and isn't a valid, patentable idea. These patents are the means by which Apple has gotten each and every one of its injunctions and it will certainly seek more injunctions with its new patents.
Yes, it is judges and only judges who decide the validity or lack there of when it comes to patents. The patent office passes almost anything that comes across its purview. It is then up to companies to raise the issue when they believe their patent has been violated and up to the courts to decide which side has the right of things in the situation.
Apple have asked the judge to automatically rule in its favour based on what it says is misconduct on Samsungs part by their leaking excluded evidence.
Call me skeptical but would it surprise anyone if the judge agrees?
Could give a valid excuse to the judge to make a favourable decision.
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I would be surprised. There's far too much precedence being set here that allowing the judge to supersede the jury would be....weird. I wouldn't be too worried about an automatic ruling because John Quinn is on the case. I would think it'd be in Apple's favor to draw out this case and let all the evidence and trump cards come out, so that if the ruling is made in their favor: Samsung would have a difficult time appealing the decision. Unless of course: Apple isn't as confident as it seems.