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Smooth video playback on IMATE SP5M (Tornado)

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone here has experience with video playback on the HTC Tornado? Does video play smooth? can you play divx? wm9?
Is it a practical device for watching a movie while on a long flight for example?
Do you think that this device has any real features which set it apart from other modern high end telephones like for example the Samsung D600? The D600 has bluetooth, music playback, contacts and appointments syncronization, video playback etc... so apart from the fact that the Tornado is running windows OS - what does this actually offer you as the user?
Would you say that the Tornado is the best smartphone on the market?
Thanks for your help!

lisa1982 said:
Would you say that the Tornado is the best smartphone on the market?
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I would say yes, but since A2DT stereo bluetooth profiles are not currently working, I am witholding my vote for AKU 2.0 or AKU 2.2.
Many native 320x240 videos do not play smoothly on my device. I suspect that you need to re-encode these videos to 320x240x15fps, ideally from 640x480x30fps or higher source.
I have no idea about the best kbs settings or encoding format for smartphone playback. I have been meaning to test this.
Do you use Windows Media Player, TCMPM or something else?

i use TCPMP for audio and video all the time on my tornado. the built in wmp10 isnt as good as i hoped it would be.
anyway, i reencode my videos to 320x240 23.976fps, 44khz 16bits stereo (128kbps). these play smoothly on my tornado without problems. better yet, get pocketdivx encoder (its freeware ^_^) and let it do the job for you ^_^

I've written a guide on how to (re)encode movies for the Tornado with Nero Recode 2 and watch them with TCPMP.
For more info please check
http://www.modaco.com/GUIDE-Nero-Recode-2-Making-HQ-QVGA-Movies-t240408.html

Video's On The Fuze

How will you get a full movie (Wall-E) to work on the AT&T Fuze? Do you have to convert to a different format or size? Please help.

For best performance, it's best that you convert it. The more you start doing it and mess with the settings, the better you'll become and find which settings yield the best results.

I originally tried Quicktime Pro for this, but the people at Apple have decided that the iPhone screen is the biggest resolution they want to support on export, and I don't want the player scaling up, so I had to look elsewhere.
I'm playing with a program called Allok MPEG4 converter (http://www.alloksoft.com/mp4_converter.htm), which seems to do a nice job if a bit slowly. Of course, to do a nice job requires LOTS of processing power. I have been using the defaults except for making the output H264 and 640x480. Once the files are converted, I just copy them to the Fuze's SD card and play them from there.
I use a program called VideoReDo (www.videoredo.com) to suck in the DVD files and make a single large MPG file from them (the free DVDShrink will also work for this, if you can still find it somewhere), then load that single file into Allok and let it run. A decent DVD will take pretty much overnight to process. The results have been very good so far.
Start with a small (5 minutes or so) piece to practice with and try various settings, then when you're happy, let the full movie conversion run overnight.
Also, be aware that most commercial DVD's will have DRM and you will have to deal with that before you can do anything with the files.

xhypnotik said:
How will you get a full movie (Wall-E) to work on the AT&T Fuze? Do you have to convert to a different format or size? Please help.
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If you are converting from an .avi file then you can try PocketDivXEncoder (freeware). It has presets for Diamond which you should start with. You should decide whether you want VGA or QVGA. VGA should look a little sharper but will be ~30% increase in file size and on a 2.8" screen the difference may not be much. Test for your self
I would modify some of the settings though. Leave video as is. Change the audio (small arrow on the left) to 32Khz 80 kbps stereo. Go to advanced and tick 2-Pass and Xvid.

What is your source file for the movie? If its on DVD then you definately want to convert it. Once all of my media is ripped or converted to the container / format I want I leave it at computer base resolution and just play it on the phone. Core player has done pretty well at handleing what I put at it so far.
Now that PocketDivx Encoder is a good program and does a pretty good job and shrinking files down.

Any recommendations on codecs, resolution and bitrate? I would especially be interested if anyone knew which settings preserved battery life the best while watching video.

Menneisyys has a good thread on video playback.
I use Core Player and I really don't covert any of the TV shows that I watch.
Windows Movie Maker is a great tool too. Its free (if you have XP SP2 installed) and it uses WMV format that Windows Media Player Mobile will play without any addons.
If you watch alot of movies on your Touch Pro I would suggest investing in Core Player, it plays most of the commonly used codex and its pretty quick too.
Bit rates and resolutions: I have found that if its a TV show that is about 40 to an hour, I dont have to do anything with it. For example an episode of House is about 42 minutes long, its 624x352 and running at 23.97 frames. With Core Player the episode looks flawless, eventhough the statistics on Core Player say its dropping frames, I can't tell.
I would think that a full length movie would perform a little worse, or a TV show with alot of action.
Also fatheadpi has this thread posted about encoding video for the Raphael phones.

Thanks for all the reply's. I'll try them out.

Watch Movies on Fuze Problems
So I got an HTC FUZE not too long ago and have been trying desperately to get it to play movies.
Windows Mobile Player does not want to play the wmv files I give it...
and no matter what file I use with CorePlayer the audio is terrible
mpegs, mp4, avi, h.264...
All of these videos will play fine on my computer but as soon as I get it to my phone, the audio goes to crap.
To make it all more difficult, I only have a Mac to sync this device with, so Windows based programs are useless to me...
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all,
'Jammin

I too have been trying and so far no Success
Operating my Fuze in cooperation with a Mac Laptop is difficult enough. The programs most suggest to convert videos exist mainly for PC.
I have used many methods of conversion and found no luck with producing watchable quality on my FUZE
CorePlayer gives me bad audio playback when the video played perfectly on my computer
and Windows Media Player will not play my bigger wmv files for some reason.
Let me know if you found a combo of programs and settings that really works
'Jammin

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
I use this and it works great. Converting the video is a pain in the butt.

+1 Take time to convert but yield a much better result in viewing your video in either Album or WMP

Thanks for the info, but isn't that program for PC's?
I have many different methods of converting videos
from freeware that helps me with wmv's (as I am on a Mac and that is somewhat hard to do)
To Final Cut Pro's Compressor and even Adobe's version
Windows Media Player on my Fuze seems not to like any files over 100mb
and even though the video will look awesome on my computer after conversion, the players I use on my phone completely destroy the audio...
I've searched up and down threads like these and am at a complete loss...

qwik question
which is better to convert movies to my fuze spb video or avs video?

sorry people
um what size micro sd card on average would I need to store the videos?

get at minimum a 4GB microSDHC... under $8 if you're lucky
or a 8GB for $16... no reason to jump for that now that memory isn't that expensive

Use coreplayer bro
I bought it, and its amazing $29.95... Don't convert anything that I get. It only has trouble with on6 flv files, and devs say it'll never support codec. Shame, because flash 9 and 10 protected movies are almost all encoded with this...
A small ffmpeg utility can run one through flv to avi, keeping aspect and original source resoultion, and process a 1.5 hour flv file in about 3 minutes and give you a great quality avi output for your phone
With TCPMP I get lag when watching full movies, but Coreplayer is fine
Set video to the qtv display, high quality.
If you've got bad audio, perhaps you need to lower the pre-am if muffled, or increase if quiet
Also, you may have equaliser enabled, and not know it.
Check the options section go through pages
There definatley should not be a problem playing media with this program
Only problem now is.... I bought this... ya sweet - but now can't afford to get my raph unlocked until next month
So still without a mobile

xhypnotik said:
How will you get a full movie (Wall-E) to work on the AT&T Fuze? Do you have to convert to a different format or size? Please help.
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News Flash
Disney released Wall-E on DVD and Blue Ray discs. I have yet to see a cell phone with a built in DVD or Blue Ray player.
The motion picture experts group (standards body)...MPEG for short, many years ago, decided to evolve the distribution techology (for consumers), from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4. MPEG-4 is a broad spec and covers everything from small hand held devices to HD quality video (H.264, VC-1 etc).
Your Touch Pro has built in hardware acceleration to handle MP4 up to a reasonable limit. Your best built in video players, as delivered by the OEM, are HTC Album and Windows Media Player. Both apps support hardware accleration for MP4 video.
I continue to read about (and have purchased) Coreplayer. In the mobile space, Coreplayer is a modest improvement over the free open source TCPMP player. CorePlayer, caused a brief stir when they half-hacked into the (modest) built in hardware acceleration on the HTC Kaiser.
On a Touch Pro, Coreplayer does support non industry standard video formats, but only in software mode (slowly rendered down sized formats). Coreplayer fails dismally, when compared to Album or WMP for MP4 playback.
So...yes, convert your content to a fully supported format. Or...leech your content in supported formats. Search this forrum and you'll find guidance, and free conversion tools.

video encoding for VOGUE/HTC Touch

I've been searching but can't find it... everything in the forum seems to have vogue as a tag...
What are the parameters / codecs to encode video to play on the vogue, either in the default player or the wm player?

Try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Good luck!

I have read somewhere (Sorry can't remember where) that the vogue cannot play video's very well - has something to do with the type of processor it has. Sorry I wish I could be of more help.
I have HTC Elfin and use pocket divx encoder to encode video's for playback on my device and use TCPMP to play the video's without any problem.
Hopefully the app in the link provided above works for you

The application referenced here does a pretty good job - but there are audio sync issues.
Using a similar profile in Super yields slightly lower video quality (because it is one pass encoding) and the audio is more in sync.
Are there other "less processor intensive" codecs that one should use to encode video to this device? Space is not the issue - I have an 8gb micro SD card..., I want decent quality that I can watch.

OJOsoft Tota Video Converter

nir36 said:
OJOsoft Tota Video Converter
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Does that have presets for the TOUCH ?
I have a dozen media converters installed on my PC, so would prefer not to have more if I can create a configuration to use one I already have... codecs / bitrates, etc.

Video Playback On AT&T Tilt

Is video playback on an AT&T Tilt horrible no matter what player I use or what files I play? If not can anybody help me out with a player with AVI support that doesn't run so slow. Is this even possible right now with current drivers like the classaction and omnia?

Have you tried Divx Mobile or Kinoma Freeplay?
mcjewpants said:
Is video playback on an AT&T Tilt horrible no matter what player I use or what files I play? If not can anybody help me out with a player with AVI support that doesn't run so slow. Is this even possible right now with current drivers like the classaction and omnia?
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You didn't say what hardware you had, but I use Kinoma for most of my media, and it works well, but doen't do AVI, so I dl'd Divx mobile to handle those. Both run very smooth for me.

the best for me is Smart Player.
it does work best if you reencode movie on your PC using the Smart converter
no speed probs or sound sync probs..
i have tried many but this is superior and i watch full length movies..

Well, that's because of lack of complete drivers in your device, you can find lots of information in this forum about it.
The only player I know that take advantage of video hardware acceleration for your device (QTv) is Coreplayer.

Drakh said:
Well, that's because of lack of complete drivers in your device, you can find lots of information in this forum about it.
The only player I know that take advantage of video hardware acceleration for your device (QTv) is Coreplayer.
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Tried out coreplayer and it seems to work best, alot better than DivX or WMP10, I think this is the one for me

Video Player for HD2

Is there any video player that can play .flv files?
It seems after flv files are converted to mp4 audio/video is out of sync for the HD2 video player, so I'd like to know is there any good video player that can be installed and thanks!

having same problem
gtb5 said:
Is there any video player that can play .flv files?
It seems after flv files are converted to mp4 audio/video is out of sync for the HD2 video player, so I'd like to know is there any good video player that can be installed and thanks!
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i have a same problem foe playing and watching movie files that have a .flv type. and now idont know what can i do for this

Try this soft to convert FLV to AVI

Coreplayer or the free version TCPMP will both play FLV files.

Hello, I'm using ( Aimersoft Video Converter ) and the profile of the iPhone 3GS the quality is brilliant and very very smooth , try it and give me a reply , i've been using it since i bought the HD2 and i just love it !
Hope it will work for every one of U .
Hanybv

colthekid said:
Coreplayer or the free version TCPMP will both play FLV files.
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+1 for coreplayer or TCPMP. Why take the time to convert videos when you can simply play them?

I bought coreplayer ... It's the one for me and a good prize too

Tried coreplayer and it's having problem in my unit, the video will be messed up and has to restart don't know why.

This video converter is very good, with the ability to re-sync audio (not that I have needed to yet). It was developed for the HD by an xda member. But yeah, TCPMP or Coreplayer will work if you don't want to convert it.

Thanks gotta give it another try.

gtb5 said:
Tried coreplayer and it's having problem in my unit, the video will be messed up and has to restart don't know why.
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Switch your video codec to DirectDraw then it will work like charm. Look for more tweaks in coreplayer forum.

jokies said:
Switch your video codec to DirectDraw then it will work like charm. Look for more tweaks in coreplayer forum.
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Oh thanks but please let me know how to change video codec.

COREPLAYER: Menu > Tools > Settings > Select Page > Video > Video Output - change to DirectDraw
TCPMP: Options > Video > DirectDraw
In coreplayer, just make sure that a video is NOT playing when you do this....it tends to crash and forces you to do a soft reset (at least it does for me!)
I have no probs playing flv with coreplayer or TCPMP, I just prefer Coreplayer.

Thanks so much, actually GDI codec works for me but there's still very slight sync issue for some videos.

You may also want to try Chainfire's 3d drivers (if you haven't already)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592663 (not the beta drivers - yet!)
Some people have said it improves DirectDraw performance in Coreplayer, but I never had any problems before, so I can't really say yes or no to that! The drivers do help with other apps too, so I would say they are worth installing anyway.
I think there is a known problem with the HD2 and video/audio sync, but again (lucky me), I've never noticed it.
Col.