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I always keep my pda in the cradle charging whenever I can (most of an average day) just like the instructions say so. A guy I work with says it's better for battery life to discharge them (near) fully and then recharge.
My battery life is now very short (after about 10 months use) and I am going to buy a replacement. Anyone know for sure which is the best way to keep batteries in good shape?
Thanks in advance ... Dr Firstpost
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
How to prolong lithium-based batteries
Battery research is focusing heavily on lithium chemistries, so much so that one could presume that all portable devices will be powered with lithium-ion batteries in the future. In many ways, lithium-ion is superior to nickel and lead-based chemistries and the applications for lithium-ion batteries are growing as a result.
Lithium-ion has not yet fully matured and is being improved continuously. New metal and chemical combinations are being tried every six months to increase energy density and prolong service life. The improvements in longevity after each change will not be known for a few years.
A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.
Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate. (Read more in 'Choosing the right battery for portable computing', Part Two.)
Aging of lithium-ion is an issue that is often ignored. Depending on the state-of-charge and storage temperature, lithium-based batteries have a typical lifetime of 2-3 years (longer if partially charged and kept cool). The clock starts ticking as soon as the battery comes off the manufacturing line. The capacity loss manifests itself in increased internal resistance caused by oxidation. Eventually, the cell resistance will reach a point where the pack can no longer deliver the stored energy, although the battery may still contain ample charge. Increasing internal resistance is common to cobalt-based lithium-ion, a chemistry that is found in laptops and cell phones. The lower energy dense manganese-based lithium-ion, also known as spinel, maintains the internal resistance through its life but loses capacity due to chemical decompositions.
The speed by which lithium-ion ages is governed by temperature and state-of-charge. Figure 1 illustrates the capacity loss as a function of these two parameters.
Figure 1: Permanent capacity loss of lithium-ion as a function of temperature and charge level.
High charge levels and elevated temperatures hasten permanent capacity loss. Improvements in chemistry have increased the storage performance of lithium-ion batteries.
There are no remedies to restore lithium-ion once worn out. A momentary improvement in performance is noticeable when heating up the battery. This lowers the internal resistance but the condition reverts back to its former state when the temperature drops.
If possible, store the battery in a cool place at about a 40% state-of-charge. Some reserve charge is needed to keep the battery and its protection circuit operational during prolonged storage. The most harmful combination is full charge at high temperature. This is the case when placing a cell phone or spare battery in a hot car. Running a laptop computer on the mains has a similar temperature problem. While the battery is kept fully charged, the inside temperature during operation rises to 45°C (113°F).
Removing the battery from the laptop when running on fixed power protects the battery from heat but some battery and laptop manufacturers caution against it. They say that dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing could damage the laptop. The dealers will be happy to provide you with a new pack when a replacement is needed a little sooner.
The question is often asked, should the laptop be disconnected from the main when not in use? With lithium-ion it does not matter. Once the battery is fully charged, no further charge is applied. It is recommended, however, to turn the laptop off overnight because heat harms the battery.
A large number of lithium-ion batteries for cell phones are being discarded under the warranty return policy. Some failed batteries are sent to service centers or the manufacturer, where they are refurbished. Studies show that 80%-90% of the returned batteries can be repaired and returned to service.
Some lithium-ion batteries fail due to excessive low discharge. If discharged below 2.5 volts per cell, the internal safety circuit opens and the battery appears dead. A charge with the original charger is no longer possible. Some battery analyzers (Cadex) feature a boost function that reactivates the protection circuit of a failed battery and enables a recharge. However, if the cell voltage has fallen below 1.5V/cell and has remained in that state for a few days, a recharge should be avoided because of safety concerns. To prevent failure, never store the battery fully discharged. Apply some charge before storage, and then charge fully before use.
All personal computers (and some other electronic devices) contain a battery for memory back up. This battery is commonly a small non-rechargeable lithium cell, which provides a small current when the device is turned off. The PC uses the battery to retain certain information when the power is off. These are the BIOS settings, current date and time, as well as resource assignment for Plug and Play systems. Storage does shorten the service life of the backup battery to a few years. Some say 1-2 years. By keeping the computer connected to the main, albeit turned off, a battery on the PC motherboards should be good for 5-7 years. A PC should give the advanced warning when battery gets low. A dead back-up battery will wipe out the volatile memory and erase certain settings. After battery is replaced, the PC should again be operational.
Simple Guidelines
Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.
Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.
Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.
Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)
Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing date. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge.
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The short answer.
No. Lithium batteries prefer to be topped up frequently and don't like being fully discharged.
Thanks TheBrit :wink:
Just to add - you can do damage to a lithium battery by entirely discharging it, so don't. Top up away. But expect to replace after a couple of years!
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Thanks for the replys & detail.
Maybe my batteries are suffering from 'digital memory' - they have hardly ever been run down to device switch-off. For my new ones I'll try fully discharging every 30 recharges as suggested and see how that goes.
I'll post results of test in a years time!
I don't believe in topping them constantly. A friend and I bought our new phones 2 weeks apart from each other. I always heard to discharge them before charging, he on the other hand never cared. Just 6 months in now, his dies in 2 hours or less, with light use. I am playing music, surfing FB etc. all day long. Right now at 15 hours discharging and still 40% battery. He has charged his 5 times today due to phone going into low battery life, and only been up 11 hours.
It only happens with the Niquel-Cadmium not with the Lithium
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I don't believe in topping them constantly. A friend and I bought our new phones 2 weeks apart from each other. I always heard to discharge them before charging, he on the other hand never cared. Just 6 months in now, his dies in 2 hours or less, with light use. I am playing music, surfing FB etc. all day long. Right now at 15 hours discharging and still 40% battery. He has charged his 5 times today due to phone going into low battery life, and only been up 11 hours.
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Hello!
Does the phone or battery itself has over charge protection?
Is it safe leave the phone connected to a computer/charger all the time?
I've been using HTC Hermes for 2 years and already replaced 3 batteries, not sure if it was due to phone was connected to a charger for at least 12 hours a day or something else..
Thank you.
technically it should'nt be an issue. the phone can detect when its battery is full and can set itself to trickle charge (atleast that's what i've been told). You do want to atleast have it drain itself full once a month or have it off the power line ever so often to keep the energy moving otherwise it goes stagnant. (not exactly stagnant, but you know what i mean.. right?)
Draining battery is not a problem, the phone does a good job doing just that
With all the technology one could assume that an advanced phone like this would have a overcharge protection. But wanted make sure that it does.
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With all the technology one could assume that an advanced phone like this would have a overcharge protection. But wanted make sure that it does.
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No convinced it does myself. All the add-on chargers, cradles, etc. highlight having overcharge protection if they're any good. So perhaps it (overcharge protection) is a functionality of the charger and not the phone itself?
I know that when my phone is charging (battery not 100%) it's cool to touch, but when on charge (USB cable from PC, sync active) when the battery is full it's mildly warm to touch. Perhaps suggesting that incoming un-needed power is being converted into heat for dissipation?
To me, I think the phone probably has overcharge protection (whether it be the charging source, or teh phone itself by heat dissipation), but if your constantly leaving it on charge then perhaps the constant warmth is what's reducing your battery life?
Most charging control electronics is inside the phone, with some parts
inside the battery, like overheating protection and battery cell diagnostics.
Charging control checks the voltage rise during charging (actually difference
beetwen voltage before charging pulse and after that, so called delta voltage),
and when it reaches certain threshold, a charging unit switches to trickle
charging, which means "charging" with 1/10 or less of normal charging current,
amount which cannot cause perceivable warming. Most of warming happens
on final stage of normal charging, when battery is almost full, and its charge
accumulation efficiency drops, but is still being charged with the same current,
part of which, that cannot be accumulated, is dissipated as heat.
Heat dissipation
That heat dissipation is what has always concerned me. So I have bought extra batteries and external charges. I use the TP for business and some days out of the office a lot. Not unusual to go to two, occasionally three batteries in a day. That issue is my only "complaint" about this phone.
From http://www.wmskins.com/blog/how-to-increase-battery-life-of-windows-mobiles:
1. A Lithium Ion battery should never be charged to 100% or fully Discharged. The famous 80-20 rule is applicable here as well, though in a different way. Charging to 80% increases battery life.
2. Don’t wait for full discharge, charge it frequently. Keeping the battery near to 80% always, gives better life. This is also what many vendors claim as “memory effect”.
I followed that advice and then after a few weeks, when once I charged it to 100%, it dropped quickly to 80%! and has been like that since. now I don't give a damn to that rule and charge my phone to 100% instead.
At this point, I would advise you do a full charge and deep discharge of your phone. Just to allow the phone to calibrate itself to the battery again.
However, I would advise against running programs to intentionally drain it at a high draw. So instead of playing 5 hours of FPSECE to drain it flat, just let it sit on standby and use it as you normally would, until it dies. Then charge it back up in one continuous charge (refrain from unplugging until it goes back to 100%). Hopefully that will restore the accuracy of your battery meter by a bit.
And IMHO, the article you included discusses things about batteries that are no longer true....
2. Don’t wait for full discharge, charge it frequently. Keeping the battery near to 80% always, gives better life. This is also what many vendors claim as “memory effect”.
No. "Memory effect" is, in laymen terms, the battery not being able to hold above a certain charge after being repeatedly discharged from the same capacity. E.g. being discharged at 80%. It doesn't "give battery life" -- in fact it kills your battery's capacity.
This is a term more relevant for old NiCd batteries. LiONs and most NiMH batteries have very weak/no memory effect.
3. Every battery has limited Full charge-discharge cycles. Of the order of 300+. In other words a typical phone battery can be fully charged/discharged 300 times. Doing more frequent charges, as specified in point #2, will increase overall life.
Partially true. Every battery can be charged a number of times before its ability to hold a charge deteriorates. Usually this is around 300, though the exact number varies between individual batteries. However, the concept of a "cycle" isn't exact -- just because you charged from 60-80% (or whatever) doesn't mean you didn't use a cycle. It's really a continuum, and should only be conceptualized as the battery losing its ability to be charged and hold a charge, the more times you charge it.
4. During first time use (when the battery is new) don`t use it till its fully charged. This is why it is always written on manuals “let the device charge for 2-3 hours”.
The necessity of preconditioning is controversial now. There is little evidence to suggest that devices nowadays benefit from preconditioning, and likewise there is little evidence that not doing so harms battery longevity. Many manuals these days simply omit to mention preconditioning.
5. Best way to increase battery life is Not to use it. If you keep AC power plugged in on your phones, keeping the battery at 80% (as in #1), your battery will last longer. Though discharging it once in a month would be must in such cases.
Partially true. Not using your battery does indeed help its longevity, but not by plugging into the AC. Heat is a LiON battery's enemy, and plugging it into your wall will generate heat that is ultimately bad. This translates to laptop batteries as well -- if you want to store a laptop battery, the best bet is to discharge it to 40%, then put it somewhere cool (even the fridge if you want).
Also I would say doing a deep discharge once a month is too frequent. Once every 2 or even 3 months is more appropriate.
Finally, LiON batteries themselves have a shelf life. So even if you let them sit there, they will lose their function after a few years. Just so yo uknow.
6. Surrounding temperature contributes a lot. Colder weather gives better battery life. So make sure your cellphone doesn’t overheat, if it does, find ways to keep it cool.
True. And that's why you shouldn't leave it plugged in.
Learn more about batteries here: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
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E.g. being discharged at 80%. It doesn't "give battery life" -- in fact it kills your battery's capacity.
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is that so? why? so i guess now my battery's capacity has lessened. damn the article.
have drained my battery to 1% and charged it to 100%. let's see how it goes from here..
good subject for discusion. WM user or not the battery life and the tricks of LION only a few knows.
1.i have two batteries for my HTC. he original battery and one with 2800mAh. Does my phone cofused if i change tha batteries aternately?
2. if ai want to work with my phone for hours is it better to connect it with the charger?
3. Wich kind of charging is better? with USB cable from pc or wall charger.
I have the option in my BIOS for my laptop which says an 80% charge will prolong the lifespan of the battery.
Batteries must undergo a fair bit of research (for environmental impact reasons if nothing else!) and to have such a bold statement to me indicates that its an obvious fact to battery researchers.
Given ive lay in bed this morning messing about on facebook and setting up rss feeds on my phone and emptied a full battery I dont think Id ever stop charging at 80%. Ill just buy another battery!
i really doubt cold weather improves battery life, numerous times my family and I brought electronic products to cold countries and the Battery life always drops at a much quicker rate
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is that so? why? so i guess now my battery's capacity has lessened. damn the article.
have drained my battery to 1% and charged it to 100%. let's see how it goes from here..
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You are taking what i said out of context.
What I'm saying is that IF your battery had a memory effect as the original article claimed, then charging the battery to only 80 will create a memory at 80, which would be worse for your battery. I'm merely trying to point out an inconsistency in there article.
However, I went on to say that li ON batteries do not have a memory effect. So more relevant to the real world is the fact that our batteries will not experience memory as claimed by the article.
Two main things kill lithium batteries, heat and time as they promote deposits forming in the electrolyte, which reduces the capacity of the battery.
So, buying a "spare" battery at the time you buy a phone with a plan on using it when the original battery starts to fail is a bad idea as the spare battery would be slowly deterorating on the shelf.
Deep charges rather than top up charges are bad as they produce more heat inside the battery, although doing it if your battery doesn't seem to be holding it's chage is a good idea as it should recalibrate the phone's battery level software.
To paraphrase the old saying, " blogs and opinions are like a##holes, everyone has one "
I have followed the links in this thread and so far I have just read unsubstantiated opinion.
I have used " cordless " electronics for most of my life and have used all kinds of batteries extensively as well as talked to company reps and battery " experts ".
Nickel Cadmium batteries had memories. The batteries had to be conditioned and fully charged and discharged. The new Lithium Ion batteries were advantageous , not only because they held a bigger charge and lasted longer, but also because they have NO memory. The latest example being, I regularly charged my Tilt battery to all levels of charge. Mostly 100% everyday and ran it down to 5% most times before charging it again. I used it a lot and charged it a lot. and it lasted 2 yrs.
The only difference I have really noticed in batteries has nothing to do with the way you charge it. It has to do with " getting what you pay for " I have had quality batteries really show their quality and $ 12 batteries give me up to and only my $12 worth.
Charging Lithium Ion Batteries to 80%
denco7 said:
To paraphrase the old saying, " blogs and opinions are like a##holes, everyone has one "
I have followed the links in this thread and so far I have just read unsubstantiated opinion.
I have used " cordless " electronics for most of my life and have used all kinds of batteries extensively as well as talked to company reps and battery " experts ".
Nickel Cadmium batteries had memories. The batteries had to be conditioned and fully charged and discharged. The new Lithium Ion batteries were advantageous , not only because they held a bigger charge and lasted longer, but also because they have NO memory. The latest example being, I regularly charged my Tilt battery to all levels of charge. Mostly 100% everyday and ran it down to 5% most times before charging it again. I used it a lot and charged it a lot. and it lasted 2 yrs.
The only difference I have really noticed in batteries has nothing to do with the way you charge it. It has to do with " getting what you pay for " I have had quality batteries really show their quality and $ 12 batteries give me up to and only my $12 worth.
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I have a Nissan Leaf. It is clear that the engineers have spent a LOT of time thinking about how to maximize the life of the battery in the car. One of the options the car come with is to ALWAYS charge the batteries to 80%. In fact, they've gone as far as to add a button on the dashboard to override that setting in cases where a 100% charge is needed. According to the documentation that comes with the car, this is the single most important step to prolonging battery life. Next is frequent charges. Next is monitoring battery temperature which is constantly shown in a BIG display on the dashboard. In general, a good way to think about a lithium ion battery is that over its life you're trying to maximize the amount of power stored and then subsequently removed from the device. From the research I've done, if the "charging/discharging life" of the battery were cycles that swung from 100% to 0% you might get X kwHrs of power "moved" through the battery, yet if you were to limit charges to 80% and constantly charge it after each use, you could expect at least 2X! So it's a big deal. I live in Bellevue, Washington which has a very mild climate and have put 26,000 miles on this car in the last 2 years, making mostly small 3-to-20 mile trips, and I routinely charge the car when I pull into the garage, and would estimate that the battery has been charged well over 1000 times. To date, there is no detectable loss in battery capacity; the first indication of which would appear on the car's instrumentation when just over 4% of the charging capacity of the car has been lost.
My Sony VAIO Pro 13 actually offers the 80/20 option in Power Settings. However, I do not use it.
First off this isn't a guide about how to make your battery last longer between charges, at least it isn't yet. If a demand arises I will happily facilitate. *EDIT* For simplicity's sake I am including a link to V7's battery guide which addresses increasing the time between charges. ✭[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap)✭This guide is about reducing wear that happens from many thing we all either knowingly do; out of a possible misunderstanding, or ignorance. All of this information is available doing a simple Google search, I am posting it here though for those who otherwise would not think to Google it. Furthermore I claim credit for absolutely none of this, but I do hope you find it helpful.
HOW TO PROLONG YOUR Li-Ion BATTERY'S LIFE
1) Keep your battery at room temperature: Heat is the worst enemy of your cell phones battery. So keeping your battery at room temperature (65-75*F) is the first step towards prolonging your battery's life. According to Battery University
each 8°C (15°F) rise in temperature cuts the life of a sealed lead acid battery in half.
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They also go on further adding
Once the battery is damaged by heat, the capacity cannot be restored.
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There are many things you can do to keep your battery cooler, such as taking it off the charger when the phone is done charging, and avoiding prolonged continuous usage. Also avoid leaving your phone in your car, it gets upwards of 140* in a car during the summer. The worst thing that can happen to a Li-Ion battery is a full charge and high heat, so avoid charging your phone until your car has cooled off if you are charging your battery in the car. Heat is by far the greatest factor when it comes to reducing the lifespan of a Li-Ion battery.
2) Use partial-discharge cycles: According to lancair.net
Using only 20% or 30% of the battery capacity before recharging will extend cycle life considerably
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Other sites I read while researching this stated that users should use up to 80% of their energy before recharging, they were all consistent with regards to a few things including: avoiding full discharges will prolong battery life, and it takes several partial charges to use one full charge cycle. Additionally Li-Ion batteries do not have "charge memory", but your digital device most likely does. Discharging the battery until cut off after every 30 charge cycles re calibrates the devices gauge.
3) Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains it most simply by stating
Permanent capacity loss is greatest at elevated temperatures with the battery voltage maintained at maximum (fully charged).
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4) If you are going to store your battery for an extended period store it at about 50% charged: This goes hand-in-hand with number 3. Also keeping the battery cool during extended storage will slow deterioration. Keeping the battery in a sealed bag or tupperware in your refrigerator is okay, but storing your battery in the freezer is not. When a battery is fully charged oxidation is occurring at its highest rate, and oxidation is essential corrosion. Oxidation occurs whether the battery is in use or not, for this reason it is better to get a high capacity battery rather than a spare. So with this said it almost should go without saying that if you can, buy batteries with a recent manufacture date.
5) Avoid completely discharging your battery: Lancair.com states:
Very deep discharges will quickly, permanently damage a Li-ion battery. Internal metal plating can occur causing a short circuit, making the battery unusable and unsafe. Most Li-ion batteries have protection circuitry within their battery packs that open the battery connection if the battery voltage is less than 2.5 V or exceeds 4.3 V, or if the battery current exceeds a predefined threshold level when charging or is charging
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now that explain why my battery drain so fast,my phone temperature is a bit high these days,thank you :good
I decrease my battry drain with installing som suitable kernal
this way realy effective in my device battry mangement
You're absolutely right, and you hit the nail on the head,
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realy[sic] effective in my device battry[sic] mangement
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But the physical battery itself needs care too. Device battery management is more related to how much power the CPU sees that the device has. Understanding how a Li-Ion battery works is kinda important at this point. So basically the positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide (cathode), or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon (anode). When the battery is charging, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon. Over time the Lithium ions bond to the carbon thereby restricting the flow, creating resistance which decreases the battery's ability to deliver current. So properly caring for your battery is really the only thing that will slow the inevitable. Its kinda the same thing for a car...all cars eventually die, but if you take care of them they will last much longer than if you neglect them.
Thanks for this. It's not the usually same guide for battery improvementent.
My battery life got a little better.
Thanks mate, that's some good information.
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
azraelus said:
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
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YES you are slowly burning the battery out, by draining it after every flash. The battery is going to die inevitably anyways though, most of the sources I found suggest doing a "full drain" every 30 charge cycles. Perhaps this is when you should go ahead and do your battery calibration. Also a full drain is not exactly self-explanatory in this case. Your device may say that a battery has 1% of its energy left and to an extent it does, but the battery is designed to cut off before it gets too hot or too low. If you have a tendency to cut your phone back on after it dies then you will deplete the battery completely, possibly resulting in permanent damage.
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It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
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Yes O/C can raise temperatures of the device. Certain kernels run a little hotter than others. My device is currently O/C'd and isn't any hotter than normal when I am not using the device due to CPU governors and what not, and its only marginally hotter than it is when at the stock clock speed. Prolonged heavy use takes a toll on the battery, due to the heat its creating. Also don't let the little bit of heat increase stop you from O/C'ing your device. Many manufacturers use the same cpu with different clock speeds, EX Snapdragon S3 chip is used in the EVO 3D @ 1.2GHz, and the HTC Rezound @ 1.5GHZ from the factory. This is done to reduce power consumption on power hungry phones or to extend the life of a cpu that has proven itself reliable(such as in the example of the Snapdragon S3)...it also helps to market devices without spending more on development.
Good adwise! :good:
This is all very good advice. A lot of it I knew, but I learned a couple new things as well. Glad to see someone making it more easily available to our community!
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Found this same information when researching my netbook battery.Turns out there is a good reason it will sleep/hybernate/power off at 3 percent, can damage a cell. On the upside this one will charge faster.
Thanks for the information.
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
Jane Shizuka said:
Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
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Yea that's pretty much the gist of it...heavy use while charging creates even more heat than just heavy use or just charging. Since doing the research for this thread I've been doing things a little differently myself. Instead of leaving it on the charger most of the day I charge it at night and use it til about 50% then charge it up to 80%...it may be in my head but I highly doubt it. Doing as I described I have had 1 full charge (from 40% to 100%) and a top off charge (50% to 80%) and my device has been on since yesterday morning (so 36 hours+ with only a 30% top off charge). This is with moderate use, and my phone is currently at 70%...MUCH better than before though.
This guide is still meant more for longer term physical battery care, but it appears to have helped extend time between charges.
zlc1 said:
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Try a different kernel, or underclocking your phone, that should help with the heat.
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind!
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
ryanshady said:
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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That is about the point the device will cut off, but if you turn it back on like I used to until the device won't turn back on that's when the battery is completely discharged. Battery University goes on to say
Each cycle wears the battery down by a small amount. A partial discharge before charge is better than a full discharge. Apply a deliberate full discharge only to calibrate a smart battery and to prevent “memory” on a nickel-based pack.
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Link to article HERE
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i wish there's a way to stop charging once it reaches 85-95% like my laptop...
So I picked up a Nexus 5, and I like it, but being that it has a sealed battery I'm a little OCD over prolonging the life of it. After doing some digging, I have come up with the following tips to follow (and some of these are common sense with regards to a lithium battery):
Don't let your battery dip below 20% often
NEVER let it die completely (unless you have to calibrate your phones battery readings)
Charging to 100% isn't the best for it, and especially don't let it sit at 100% due to heat issues
Don't charge it in subfreezing temperatures, or especially in 100+ degree weather
Generally speaking, small charges spaced out (adding 15-30% or so at a time) is better than ~75% at a time due to heat issues
Very, very small charges done in rapid succession (adding 5-10% - A.K.A. "bump charging"), is bad
Qi supposedly heats the battery too much
OK, so that's what I've established in doing some research... Anyone disagree with this?
So generally speaking, what I should do to maintain maximum battery health is use my phone from 90% back down to 20% (and back up to 90%) regularly, correct? Obviously this is in a perfect scenario, but it's good to know.
Well I had a few side questions of my own:
If you get a quality Qi charger that runs (acceptably) cool, will it still be too hot to use day in and day out for optimum battery health?
If you do shorter charges on Qi (say 15-30% as mentioned above), would that be OK at that point?
What if I want to go use my phone heavily (lets say play a game for an hour), is it less stress on the battery to use it while on the charger (and get hot), or just let the battery cycle on it's own and charge it multiple times in the process? Basically, does using the phone while plugged in (whether charging, or trickle-charging at 100%) cause more degradation than cycling the battery multiple times?
Is letting your phone off the charger at night (cycling the battery, even if just a little bit) really better than leaving your phone plugged in at 100%?
This is an interesting topic to debate, and I want to hear what you think!
rytymu said:
So I picked up a Nexus 5, and I like it, but being that it has a sealed battery I'm a little OCD over prolonging the life of it. After doing some digging, I have come up with the following tips to follow (and some of these are common sense with regards to a lithium battery):
Don't let your battery dip below 20% often
NEVER let it die completely (unless you have to calibrate your phones battery readings)
Charging to 100% isn't the best for it, and especially don't let it sit at 100% due to heat issues
Don't charge it in subfreezing temperatures, or especially in 100+ degree weather
Generally speaking, small charges spaced out (adding 15-30% or so at a time) is better than ~75% at a time due to heat issues
Very, very small charges done in rapid succession (adding 5-10% - A.K.A. "bump charging"), is bad
Qi supposedly heats the battery too much
OK, so that's what I've established in doing some research... Anyone disagree with this?
So generally speaking, what I should do to maintain maximum battery health is use my phone from 90% back down to 20% (and back up to 90%) regularly, correct? Obviously this is in a perfect scenario, but it's good to know.
Well I had a few side questions of my own:
If you get a quality Qi charger that runs (acceptably) cool, will it still be too hot to use day in and day out for optimum battery health?
If you do shorter charges on Qi (say 15-30% as mentioned above), would that be OK at that point?
What if I want to go use my phone heavily (lets say play a game for an hour), is it less stress on the battery to use it while on the charger (and get hot), or just let the battery cycle on it's own and charge it multiple times in the process? Basically, does using the phone while plugged in (whether charging, or trickle-charging at 100%) cause more degradation than cycling the battery multiple times?
Is letting your phone off the charger at night (cycling the battery, even if just a little bit) really better than leaving your phone plugged in at 100%?
This is an interesting topic to debate, and I want to hear what you think!
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First off, BUMP!
Second, here are some results I've had. While idling, the battery life is RIDICULOUSLY good, however, whenever the screen is on the battery is terrible... It's like a Toyota Prius with a V10 hybrid-drive; around town it is very efficient, but get on the highway and VROOOOOOOOM!
The phone was at 42% charge after two days. Granted, there was only 37 minutes of screen usage, but I did quite a bit of Bluetooth / Spotify streaming. Wifi was on and connected almost the entire time. I do notice that my idle drain goes from .2% to .6% lost per hour on wifi, to 1.5% to 3% lost per hour while on HSPA+ / LTE.
rytymu said:
So I picked up a Nexus 5, and I like it, but being that it has a sealed battery I'm a little OCD over prolonging the life of it. After doing some digging, I have come up with the following tips to follow (and some of these are common sense with regards to a lithium battery):
Don't let your battery dip below 20% often
NEVER let it die completely (unless you have to calibrate your phones battery readings)
Charging to 100% isn't the best for it, and especially don't let it sit at 100% due to heat issues
Don't charge it in subfreezing temperatures, or especially in 100+ degree weather
Generally speaking, small charges spaced out (adding 15-30% or so at a time) is better than ~75% at a time due to heat issues
Very, very small charges done in rapid succession (adding 5-10% - A.K.A. "bump charging"), is bad
Qi supposedly heats the battery too much
OK, so that's what I've established in doing some research... Anyone disagree with this?
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Most of those aren't really wrong, they're just massively over-exaggerated.
A. Heat only matters if you're getting the battery up to like, 50C often. Note that the phone will actually stop charging if it hits these temperatures.
B. Small charges don't really help or hurt.
C. Qi doesn't heat the battery itself that much.
Overall, you're overthinking it way too much. Just don't leave your phone on the car dash in the middle of the summer sun, don't leave it on the charger for an entire week without unplugging it, and try not to drain it completely to 0%.
Li-Polymer batteries are far more resilient than people give them credit for. Even if you used your phone absolutely perfectly, over the course of a couple years you'd be lucky to get an extra 5% of life out of it. It's not worth your time and stress at all.