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When my phone just started it is about 180, then it dropped to 90 after extensive use (20ish minutes).
That is even after using advanced task killer...
Anyone else experiencing this?

That's still plenty o' memory.
Keep in mind that there's a lot of folks getting good performance out of Droids, Milestones, etc, that have half the RAM (256) to start with, and hover around 20-30mb free in normal operation.

I was curious about this myself and was going to make a thread about it soon. Regardless of if it's enough free memory, I'm still a little confused as to where all my memory is going. When I close everything with TasKiller, I can get to about 175 MB of RAM free. I have a friend with an EVO that always gets well over 200 MB free, and I imagine that the HTC Sense UI would use a lot more memory than Launcher Pro (which is what I'm using)... but I could be wrong.

I can hit about 230 free after killing all tasks. I uninstalled all the ATT apps not sure if that had anything to do with it. I also use Touchwiz with only 2 Widgets accross 2 home screens.

maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory

Guys, a little piece of advice if you're new to Android. Don't sweat memory usage, if it's above 40mb free you're generally doing just fine.
And those apps that are using memory aren't using much if any CPU cycles or power, most are just cached in case you need them, and are wiped out of the cache if something else needs the memory.
On the other hand, if you're killing a lot of background tasks by reflex, those tasks are taking MORE time and power to reload again if they're no longer cached, plus there's the overhead of the Task Killer. It's especially bad if you have a Task Killer set to auto-kill apps, even more overhead as the task killer has to remain active to sniff for things to auto-kill.
Task Killers are the devil, and they're like crack. Just walk away.

labbu63 said:
maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory
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Thats what some people are saying. They said we should see more avail RAM when the 2.2 update comes out. Or if someone can do some kernel wizardry.
The specs on the box do not mention any amount of RAM. I would be unhappy if ATT only put in 256! I didn't look through the manual maybe it says in there.

Bjd223 said:
Thats what some people are saying. They said we should see more avail RAM when the 2.2 update comes out. Or if someone can do some kernel wizardry.
The specs on the box do not mention any amount of RAM. I would be unhappy if ATT only put in 256! I didn't look through the manual maybe it says in there.
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im going to look into this more cause thats strange but i dont think you should worry much about the ram cause like it was said before if u have 40mb free ur still good

labbu63 said:
maybe its android 2.1 that has a cap on the memory
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Indeed that seems to be the case, many threads about the issue can be found elsewhere on xda or google. Also this technical article from google: developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.htm (I can't post links yet)

yep ur right says more mem support at near bottom http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
2.6.32 kernel upgrade
HIGHMEM support for RAM >256MB
so it seems cause of the kernel

Well that's interesting. So you're saying that no matter what, right now we're only accessing 256 MB of RAM? I hadn't heard that before about 2.1, but that would be cool if our RAM essentially doubled in 2.2 (along with the massive CPU speed gains seen).
Again, it's not so much being worried that I'm going to run out of memory. It's simply a discussion on what people think we should be seeing. I'm certain that I don't have enough running to use 300 MB of RAM, which is why the question was raised. So I think we have our answer now and can rest easy waiting for 2.2.
As for the task killers... I honestly am more worried about CPU cycles for things I've left in the background than RAM. I've noticed my phone basically hang for a few seconds every so often, and I can only assume that something in the background is causing it. I'm going to turn off auto kill and not kill tasks manually for a while and see if there is any difference during use.

labbu63 said:
im going to look into this more cause thats strange but i dont think you should worry much about the ram cause like it was said before if u have 40mb free ur still good
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40? No. 40mb of free RAM is unacceptable with todays smartphones on the market. I own a Captivate as well as a Nexus One and my Nexus consistently has 200-250 avail RAM. However when they first released the phone they only released it with 256 avail making my phone normally read about 120- 130 avail RAM. Now its been opened up to the 512(unless it had already been rooted) and it is much quicker than before. I'm wondering if something similar has been done with this phone.

well if it does have more than 256 mb it will be able to recognize rest in 2.2 as you said about ur nexus one maybe its just that the software on the captivate thats showing less you never know just gotta wait till some dev figures it out hopefully not to long

My phone is reporting 325mb of RAM, so I'm not sure if this is the same kernel limitation. I would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me as to whether or not the full 512 I was under the impression this phone possessed will be available under 2.2.
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ttalaoc said:
My phone is reporting 325mb of RAM, so I'm not sure if this is the same kernel limitation. I would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me as to whether or not the full 512 I was under the impression this phone possessed will be available under 2.2.
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That's exactly the limitation being talked about. Yes, 512 will be available after 2.2.
Until then, don't worry about it. Don't install a task killer, they just waste your time worrying about it. The OS has built in levels of memory where it starts to kill off different types of apps from background idle, all the way up to foreground active if entirely necessary. It WILL kill the extra apps if you need the memory.

I have been running ATK constantly since I got my Captivate a couple days ago. Not really concerned with memory usage as much as battery life. So far I get one full day of use before recharge, but I expect that to go up once I stop turning on the screen every few minutes to play with it. Can auto task killing negatively affect battery life?

[Q] Low RAM?

Im not sure why but in the past week, my phone ram was was quite low. (30m - 45m) Before that, even after playing games and stuff, the ram was always above 55m. I have the go sms app, i have lookout running always and battery notifier (big text) to tell me my battery level. these were the apps that i downloaded just before the raam went low. oh and i only have 4 widgets running on my screen. (google search widget, power control widget (the one with options to toggle wifi, bluetooth etc etc on and off), a go taskmanager widget to show me how much ram i have and a music app widget) BTW im rooted running stock 2.1. Hope someone can help me!

If you want more free ram try to upgrade your phone into 2.2 custom rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943368
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DarkMD said:
If you want more free ram try to upgrade your phone into 2.2 custom rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943368
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oh lol i was already planning to go for the xda special but i just wanted to find out why suddenly the ram went down on my stock 2.1. any idea?

androidlover123 said:
oh lol i was already planning to go for the xda special but i just wanted to find out why suddenly the ram went down on my stock 2.1. any idea?
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must've been the services or processes running hidden in the background. there are some apps you can use to kill or stop them. but mainly i just use autokiller memory optimizer to modify android's default app killer to kill apps even when the ram is not very low(it kills apps when ram reaches a certain level). theres also a function in autokiller memory optimizer which allows you to kill processes. if you want more ram, you could use swap too, but it eats more battery, so i dont.
its a good app, and you dont have to use any task killers anymore. you can use the strict preset in the app if you want higher free ram. swap if you activate swap, you could go up to more than 100m free.

eejin2 said:
must've been the services or processes running hidden in the background. there are some apps you can use to kill or stop them. but mainly i just use autokiller memory optimizer to modify android's default app killer to kill apps even when the ram is not very low(it kills apps when ram reaches a certain level). theres also a function in autokiller memory optimizer which allows you to kill processes. if you want more ram, you could use swap too, but it eats more battery, so i dont.
its a good app, and you dont have to use any task killers anymore. you can use the strict preset in the app if you want higher free ram. swap if you activate swap, you could go up to more than 100m free.
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oh ya i forgot to mention i have already been using autokiller memory optimizer at strict level for a month already. yesterday i changed it to aggressive hoping that my ram would increase but to no avail.

then it'd be that you have to many processes running it in the background. see from autokiller memory optimizer. just tap to close. swap gives you a LOT of free ram also. but you have to be using a swap compatible rom of course, so stock but rooted, no. unless u are using the eclair strikes back rom. im also on stock singapore but rooted. average free ram now is around 50 and im underclocked running at 500mhz cos i wanna save battery. its still running smoothly. actually, i dont really care about how much free ram there is, if its smooth then its all right for me. is your phone running smoothly?

eejin2 said:
then it'd be that you have to many processes running it in the background. see from autokiller memory optimizer. just tap to close. swap gives you a LOT of free ram also. but you have to be using a swap compatible rom of course, so stock but rooted, no. unless u are using the eclair strikes back rom. im also on stock singapore but rooted. average free ram now is around 50 and im underclocked running at 500mhz cos i wanna save battery. its still running smoothly. actually, i dont really care about how much free ram there is, if its smooth then its all right for me. is your phone running smoothly?
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huh no sadly D: every time i launch app then i exit that app, it will take about 3-5 sec for home page to load. It wasnt like that a week ago. (then it was very fast to return to screen-no lag at all.) btw im using go launcher.(it was there a month ago and had no lag at all until last week)

androidlover123 said:
huh no sadly D: every time i launch app then i exit that app, it will take about 3-5 sec for home page to load. It wasnt like that a week ago. (then it was very fast to return to screen-no lag at all.) btw im using go launcher.(it was there a month ago and had no lag at all until last week)
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Try to clean cache frequently, that help to
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My suggestion would be to flash the stock Cincinnati bell sbf. I did that recently it is the most updated one from Motorola and is set at 720 MHz by default. I don't use anything and my ram is around 55-60. Smooth as hell. I use launcherpro. Its prettier, you can choose the keep in memory option which stops it from redrawing the screen. Mine is rooted. I get a day and half of battery life with wifi and autosync in 100% of the time, an hour of GPS, 1 hour gaming, one hour music and the odd texts or calls. Hope that helps. Nothing in my opinion beats stock 2.1
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I use CyanogenMod 6 and its pretty nice... i have around 70-80 mb of ram free... btw i have about 25 apps instaled...
Overclock at: 1.1ghz @ 70vsel
Sorry for my bad english jaja
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androidlover123 said:
Im not sure why but in the past week, my phone ram was was quite low. (30m - 45m) Before that, even after playing games and stuff, the ram was always above 55m. I have the go sms app, i have lookout running always and battery notifier (big text) to tell me my battery......
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If you have 30m-45m ram and it didn't affect the performance of the phone, then nothing to worry....now if your rom is in the 2.1 stock, you have a problem especially in using camcorder due to low memory... my suggestion is to flash the 2.2 rom like wahhu rom, xda special or the cm6...My ram is in the range of 30m-60m and I'm using the wanhu rom and even the cm6 rom still the performance of the phone is great..... Actually there is something in the phone that eats the ram..... It is one of the reasons why there is a problem in porting the cm7.
P.S. Try to flash the original wanhu rom then apply the latest update of Mioze-update-SC_2.2_XT720_Beta3a-Mz05 and the dark froyo theme.....

Go to cm6. Can't stop saying how smooth and snappy it is
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spectacle said:
Go to cm6. Can't stop saying how smooth and snappy it is
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I agree..... but there are still several issues to fix.... I'm waiting for the final product..... Great work by Mioze.

abet1017 said:
If you have 30m-45m ram and it didn't affect the performance of the phone, then nothing to worry....now if your rom is in the 2.1 stock, you have a problem especially in using camcorder due to low memory... my suggestion is to flash the 2.2 rom like wahhu rom, xda special or the cm6...My ram is in the range of 30m-60m and I'm using the wanhu rom and even the cm6 rom still the performance of the phone is great..... Actually there is something in the phone that eats the ram..... It is one of the reasons why there is a problem in porting the cm7.
P.S. Try to flash the original wanhu rom then apply the latest update of Mioze-update-SC_2.2_XT720_Beta3a-Mz05 and the dark froyo theme.....
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Ya i remember last time i use camcorder my phone had frozen. (nothing was responding. after 5 min i decided to battery pull then after that all apps started to force close, including launcherpro, so i could not do anything with my phone and had to uninstall launcherpro to solve problem. I really want to stay on stock 2.1 cos it has no issues at all until recently the ram problem which was slowing the phone down a lot. even at 1ghz 66vsel and autokill memory optimizer at strict level its quite low ram.

androidlover123 said:
Ya i remember last time i use camcorder my phone had frozen. (nothing was responding. after 5 min i decided to battery pull then after that all apps started to force close, including launcherpro, so i could not do anything with my phone and had to uninstall launcherpro to solve problem. I really want to stay on stock 2.1 cos it has no issues at all until recently the ram problem which was slowing the phone down a lot. even at 1ghz 66vsel and autokill memory optimizer at strict level its quite low ram.
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if the ram is still low after all these trying out all these suggestions, why dont you try wiping everything and starting again?

eejin2 said:
if the ram is still low after all these trying out all these suggestions, why dont you try wiping everything and starting again?
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ya that was kind of my last resort.... but since no one can find a solution for this, i just do that. Thanks to all for their help!

androidlover123 said:
ya that was kind of my last resort.... but since no one can find a solution for this, i just do that. Thanks to all for their help!
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If you are going to do it from scratch, I suggest you use the cincinnati bell sbf. I have had a very good experience with that. Root with universal androot 1.6.2 beta. After that install open recovery and youre set.

i have about 60 applications installed and here a screen shot of a very comon amount of ram i have in mafia wars when done any were from 95 to 110 i have availble for use.

Your Average Free Ram

I'm curious about how much free ram everyone has on average after their rom has finished booting and stabilized! Post it here!!!

jookdakang23 said:
I'm curious about how much free ram everyone has on average after their rom has finished booting and stabilized! Post it here!!!
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Say like fresh boot let it sit for 5 minutes??? Post what rom and kernels you are using as well, as some of us are on the mobile app.
EB build 3 ICS, built in kernel.
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mt3g said:
Say like fresh boot let it sit for 5 minutes??? Post what rom and kernels you are using as well, as some of us are on the mobile app.
EB build 3 ICS, built in kernel.
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you must have nothin running lol

jookdakang23 said:
you must have nothin running lol
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it was a fresh boot, I didn't open anything just let it sit for a cigarettes length and then looked at it. Now that I have used the phone I'm at 191MB.

mt3g said:
it was a fresh boot, I didn't open anything just let it sit for a cigarettes length and then looked at it. Now that I have used the phone I'm at 191MB.
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o ok, ics does manage ram better than gb anyway. im using weapon g2x

Just did a fresh boot on stock 2.3.3 (unrooted) and let it sit for five minutes. I have 1weather running in addition to a couple game push notification services. I have 238 mb free ram right now.

UCFJake said:
Just did a fresh boot on stock 2.3.3 (unrooted) and let it sit for five minutes. I have 1weather running in addition to a couple game push notification services. I have 238 mb free ram right now.
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how about a screenshot? that's pretty good!

Here it is. It bumped down to 237mb by the time I thought to screenshot it.

i run about 40-80mb free on average just the way i want it.
Android uses ram differently than other operating systems like windows or linux,
it fills your ram with things that you have run already in hopes that youll run them again and it will be alot faster the second time. if it needs that ram for something else, it just kills a program and removes it from ram (this takes VERY little time)
so the more ram used the better

Klathmon said:
i run about 40-80mb free on average just the way i want it.
Android uses ram differently than other operating systems like windows or linux,
it fills your ram with things that you have run already in hopes that youll run them again and it will be alot faster the second time. if it needs that ram for something else, it just kills a program and removes it from ram (this takes VERY little time)
so the more ram used the better
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I understand what you are saying but in some cases like mine, I only have about 5-8 apps that I use.

mt3g said:
I understand what you are saying but in some cases like mine, I only have about 5-8 apps that I use.
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thats about all it holds. the VM heap settings are what causes this (in part) each app gets its own virtual machine to run in, this has a limited heap (ram) size of whatever is set in there.
so if your VM heap size is set to 48mb... 48 * 5 = 240mb and 48 * 8 = 384mb
add in whats needed for Android system, kernel, and various background processes that you need... its all gone

Klathmon said:
thats about all it holds. the VM heap settings are what causes this (in part) each app gets its own virtual machine to run in, this has a limited heap (ram) size of whatever is set in there.
so if your VM heap size is set to 48mb... 48 * 5 = 240mb and 48 * 8 = 384mb
add in whats needed for Android system, kernel, and various background processes that you need... its all gone
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fair enough, never thought of that.

mt3g said:
fair enough, never thought of that.
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it honestly was not that long ago that i was using a task killer, killing every freakin app running because i was mad it was using up all my ram... then i wanted to start developing stuff for android, and i quickly learned the error of my ways

so u dont agree with auto task killers and you saying the system runs better with lower ram?

that's what he is saying, that's been known since eclair was introduced to android though... I just never thought of the more ram being used the better.

This is what I have left! Running latest euroskank cm7. Was 130 right before screen shot
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jookdakang23 said:
so u dont agree with auto task killers and you saying the system runs better with lower ram?
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that's what I'm sayin! if the OS already has the program your trying to launch in memory, it wont need to load it, saving time and power.
and if you kill programs forcefully, android (kinda) treats it like it crashed, and reloads it into memory soon after...

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that's what I'm sayin! if the OS already has the program your trying to launch in memory, it wont need to load it, saving time and power.
and if you kill programs forcefully, android (kinda) treats it like it crashed, and reloads it into memory soon after...
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ok so memory can go below 100mb without a problem because i always try to free memory around 150mb

jookdakang23 said:
ok so memory can go below 100mb without a problem because i always try to free memory around 150mb
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it all depends on what your min-free settings are.
the apps that fall into each category are slightly different for each ROM, but whatever the highest setting is at is what your free memory should sit around, and it can and will fluctuate alot for seemingly no reason.
and before you all go out and change them as high as you can, just know that free memory is wasted memory, it takes NO power to keep things in memory, but it does take power to put things in memory every time you open it!
This explains it a bit better than i can.

Klathmon said:
it all depends on what your min-free settings are.
the apps that fall into each category are slightly different for each ROM, but whatever the highest setting is at is what your free memory should sit around, and it can and will fluctuate alot for seemingly no reason.
and before you all go out and change them as high as you can, just know that free memory is wasted memory, it takes NO power to keep things in memory, but it does take power to put things in memory every time you open it!
This explains it a bit better than i can.
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makes sense, so basically task killers do the complete opposite? lol i will let services and apps stay in memory without a task killer and see how things go

Juice Defender ratio?

What kind of ratios do y'all get? I am just running the stock balanced and get 1.25ish but my buddy is getting 1.8 on his HTC so wasn't sure if I have mine messed up or something.
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Do yourself a favor and ditch jd.

I've heard mixed things about JD. Some people like it, others say it doesn't work.
On GB, I was getting 2.0-2.2x.
On ICS, I only use it for the schedules right now, I may test it out to see if it helps or not.

skyrockets said:
I've heard mixed things about JD. Some people like it, others say it doesn't work.
On GB, I was getting 2.0-2.2x.
On ICS, I only use it for the schedules right now, I may test it out to see if it helps or not.
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It makes a smartphone dumb.

Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.

kishke said:
Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.
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You can't be bothered to use the quick toggle and push a button to shut off wifi when you leave home or work? Apps like that just prevent a smartphone from being a smartphone. That's cool if you wanna use it, but shutting off radios and preventing data is sort of lame on a smartphone. There are other ways of saving power and still having a working smartphone.

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It makes a smartphone dumb.
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How so?
kishke said:
Only if you set it to make it dumb. JD doesn't block of my functionality just sorts some stuff like turning off wifi if there's no network around and check for an open network every now and then. Claims to be around X2.02 on mhx superlite 5.
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I agree. I had it keep wifi enabled when connected all the time, turn data off during the work day and only check it every hour (I'm on a PC, I can get email instantly). I had it turn off data/wifi when I was playing a game. I had it turn wifi off when I left home and re-turn on wifi when I got home (location based). And I used the brightness feature (this was pretty poor...).
I still use it for schedule (I have it turn off sound and data/wifi at night) on ICS.

xcrazydx said:
You can't be bothered to use the quick toggle and push a button to shut off wifi when you leave home or work? Apps like that just prevent a smartphone from being a smartphone. That's cool if you wanna use it, but shutting off radios and preventing data is sort of lame on a smartphone. There are other ways of saving power and still having a working smartphone.
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My data is always on regardless it just makes sure my phone wont waste power by searching for wifi when there is none, also if I get to a place with good wifi and I know its there I'll use the quick toggle.
And jd is also useful in case I forget the bluetooth on it will turn it off after 5 minutes.

kishke said:
My data is always on regardless it just makes sure my phone wont waste power by searching for wifi when there is none, also if I get to a place with good wifi and I know its there I'll use the quick toggle.
And jd is also useful in case I forget the bluetooth on it will turn it off after 5 minutes.
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These are things you can do without jd, except the forgetting bt thing. JD requires power to run, so consider that.

I've found that I get as good or better battery life by simply enabling System Power Saving then with JD. Your mileage may vary.
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JD showed about 1.7 on my device.

I'm running seanz GB Sky ICS and have always used JD. With or without JD, my battery blows. I wouldn't dare leave home without a charger. I've found that JD definitely helps, mostly for reasons previously mentioned in this thread. However, the JD ratios seem inflated and highly volatile. I never trust them. I know JD helps me a little bit but I never know exactly how much.
Based on feedback from seanz 4.0 rom, I doubt I'll need JD once I flash it. I just need some damn free time to sit down, get smart, do the downloads, and flash my way to freedom haha. Hopefully I'll make it happen tomorrow night.
Overall though, I am a fan of JD Pro.
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Shame on me for not answering the op questions. Normally my ratio is somewhere between 1.7 and 2.0. I've noticed that if I run jd for 4-5 days then the ratio slowly goes down to 1.25 which is odd. Then, if I disable it for 18-24 hours, my jd ratio for the next few days is insane: 2.5 to 2.9.
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Datron said:
I'm running seanz GB Sky ICS and have always used JD. With or without JD, my battery blows. I wouldn't dare leave home without a charger. I've found that JD definitely helps, mostly for reasons previously mentioned in this thread. However, the JD ratios seem inflated and highly volatile. I never trust them. I know JD helps me a little bit but I never know exactly how much.
Based on feedback from seanz 4.0 rom, I doubt I'll need JD once I flash it. I just need some damn free time to sit down, get smart, do the downloads, and flash my way to freedom haha. Hopefully I'll make it happen tomorrow night.
Overall though, I am a fan of JD Pro.
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Shame on me for not answering the op questions. Normally my ratio is somewhere between 1.7 and 2.0. I've noticed that if I run jd for 4-5 days then the ratio slowly goes down to 1.25 which is odd. Then, if I disable it for 18-24 hours, my jd ratio for the next few days is insane: 2.5 to 2.9.
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Simple kernel tweaks can save far more juice, and doesn't consume power like JD does by running in the background.

The issue is there is still no kernel source for ics anyway.
I'm pleased with my battery so I got no reason to turn of JD and check how it's effecting it, I'm not that much of a heavy user.

kishke said:
The issue is there is still no kernel source for ics anyway.
I'm pleased with my battery so I got no reason to turn of JD and check how it's effecting it, I'm not that much of a heavy user.
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That's because it's a leak with no source. I got off the ics bandwagon and went back to stability. If you're not a heavy user why do you need JD? I'm just trying to help you make your phone better, if you wanna use it, that's fine.

this weekend I should have similar phone pattern, I'll check it with or without and let you know. Tho I'll be home only so I guess it will only show how much jd is draining instead of helping but that's also something.
Also im using ICS due to the correct hebrew alignment which is really annoying in GB.

kishke said:
this weekend I should have similar phone pattern, I'll check it with or without and let you know. Tho I'll be home only so I guess it will only show how much jd is draining instead of helping but that's also something.
Also im using ICS due to the correct hebrew alignment which is really annoying in GB.
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You can uc on ics.
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Already running at 1.18

I'm getting 2.26 with custom settings on Sky ICS 4.2D-10.
In my view, there are two important factors in JD's usefulness: (1) Like the app itself says, it is most effective when you're not using the phone. If you're a heavy user, you're not likely to see an improvement, because most of what it does relates to turning radios on/off. (2) Whether or not you're good at micromanaging settings. If you reliably remember to turn off BT, or to turn off syncing when you're asleep, etc. then it may not be of value. Depending on where you are on those two points, it may be great, it may be more of a drain than it saves.
With JD and with my phone largely sitting on the desk, I can get out past three days on a charge. JD is allowing sync to occur every 30 mins during the day and not at all at night. I'm honestly not sure how easily I can set my phone up to do roughly the same without JD (although I'm trying to work on that).

1.8 - 2.2 on ICS Stock Deodexed. I don't need an alert for email every second I get one, keeps me unfocused at work. When I unlock the screen I get them anyway, so JD is perfect for me. My battery goes 32 hours on moderate use.

xcrazydx said:
If you're not a heavy user why do you need JD? I'm just trying to help you make your phone better..
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OK we get your point... but some of us have limited data plans and I find it very frustrating when the phone goes off and self-initiates a 64mb transfer of what-I-don't-know - out of my 200mb plan. I don't need a phone that smart. ATT isn't good about providing any details what-so-ever about that data usage so am looking for other means to control power and radio usage and to actually get through the whole day without having to charge twice in the same day and without having to remember to help my smartphone to be smart.

Stock android 10 11.0.11 lags workaround

Hi all,
As many of you I'm frustrated by the lags of this update
I'm an user since oreo I've always updated and I never deleted my data since then
I found a way that for me worked to improve my experience with Android 10 I would like to share it
Go to settings
Battery
Adaptative battery
Battery manager (switch it OFF)
Reboot
Same as above
Battery manager (switch it On)
Reboot
Additionaly I've installed tynycore free version ram memory monitor and is running in foreground providing white bar ram usage indicator
I'm not sure which step fixed the issue but now after a week I'm running a smooth experience.
Tyncore dysplay an average of ram usage around 60%
Let me know if it works for you
Good luck

Thanks, that helped with lags a lot!

Hello, my phone's ram was always around 60%. If there is a leak shouldn't increase by time?

t123321 said:
Hello, my phone's ram was always around 60%. If there is a leak shouldn't increase by time?
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I didn't care about ram usage before the "workaround" so I can say if there was a huge memory consumption.
But you are right... Memory leaks will use all your ram which can't be set free
A lag can be caused by hundreds reason as cpu consumption or wrong coding... I don't think this can be easily discovered. The resolution could be a without sense trick like this

Tinycore measures ram the way the developer tools do. It shows lots of free ram because it's not counting "cached" apps. Lower-level tools like OSMonitor show the true usage, which is much higher (I typically have only 50-150M free but that's what you want to see).
The problem is not ram per-se, it's the system deciding to evict some apps from ram while keeping others in ram. The apps it keeps are not the ones that make sense.
Battery Manager didn't help for me. I can often go a week, but sometimes only a few days before I have to reboot to stop apps from immediately dying when multitasking.
Xiaomi has not been pulling non-security changes from AOSP. There's one about changing sounds for outlook. Perhaps there was a bug that got fixed and they just never got that fix. If custom ROMs don't have the problem, that'd make sense to me...

a1291762 said:
Tinycore measures ram the way the developer tools do. It shows lots of free ram because it's not counting "cached" apps. Lower-level tools like OSMonitor show the true usage, which is much higher (I typically have only 50-150M free but that's what you want to see).
The problem is not ram per-se, it's the system deciding to evict some apps from ram while keeping others in ram. The apps it keeps are not the ones that make sense.
Battery Manager didn't help for me. I can often go a week, but sometimes only a few days before I have to reboot to stop apps from immediately dying when multitasking.
Xiaomi has not been pulling non-security changes from AOSP. There's one about changing sounds for outlook. Perhaps there was a bug that got fixed and they just never got that fix. If custom ROMs don't have the problem, that'd make sense to me...
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OS monitor in my case show 30% of free ram... not far away from tinycore assumption
My phone after 10 days is still usable after steps in post #1
Unfortunately I can't change rom in those days I need both sim working and I don't want fix drawbacks afftecting my job
I've disabled automatic updates and I'll move forward if I'll get good feedback from next updates

This method actually worked for me. Thanks a lot @joyride76. Tried a lot and nothing really worked and this little steps made the problem not occure for about 3 days now. I have Lspeed installed ever since I have the device, but this alone, never really helped out. Thanks again!

Cappucinto said:
This method actually worked for me. Thanks a lot @joyride76. Tried a lot and nothing really worked and this little steps made the problem not occure for about 3 days now. I have Lspeed installed ever since I have the device, but this alone, never really helped out. Thanks again!
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Happy to read I'm 13 days up without major issues
Your post it's a good confirmation

I'm not confident in your fix. I have tried it but my phone still gets slow between 24 and 48h of not restarting it.

Sadly this did not work on my phone. Memory shows 58% used memory but lag appears after 24hrs. Restart helps.

Wow. I'm actually surprised that Android 10 became much more usable. I was so frustrated and ready to trash it...

RensoreK said:
Wow. I'm actually surprised that Android 10 became much more usable. I was so frustrated and ready to trash it...
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I'm happy to help I was just near to downgrade so I can understand
I'm sorry it didn't help everyone

gonna give a try, hope to see it working, i will tell in a week

Kaimilo said:
gonna give a try, hopek to see it working, i will tell in a week
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Let us know
Good luck

joyride76 said:
Let us know
Good luck
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for the moment is working smooth, but need more days to see

I've tried it again after the October 2020 security update and it doesn't fix it for me.

ema93a said:
I've tried it again after the October 2020 security update and it doesn't fix it for me.
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After 20 days I've tried to disable tiny core... And lag comes back.
I'm not sure if it's a placebo effect but once enabled lag disappeared
Apologies for a so poor technical approach

so i update, lag has came back after 3 days
Only thing that help this is installing a custom kernl

From today i have new phone,honor 10 lite,bay bay xiaomi newer will get any xiaomi again

joyride76 said:
After 20 days I've tried to disable tiny core... And lag comes back.
I'm not sure if it's a placebo effect but once enabled lag disappeared
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I hadn't kept tinycore running but after seeing your message I gave it a go. I was hoping that it would help as a side effect of probing the system.
Interestingly... It showed maybe 30% free on the first day, 20% on the second day and 40% on the third day.
However, on that third day, apps are once again being killed as soon as they hit the background. Not even the Play store could update several apps without dying (after I switched to another app).
I find interesting that when tinycore reports the most "free" memory is when the system behaves the worst. Actual ram is full of cached apps, it's just not apps that are useful (IMO).
I guess it's back to daily reboots for me