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Does anyone have experience with the Parrot CK-3100 bluetooth carkit ?
I was about to go for the new Sony Ericsson HCB-300 unit when I encountered the Parrot. Featurewise it looks like a great unit, but I am interested in anyones experience using this unit.
What is the sound quality ? Are all features (like caller id etc) usable with the MDA/XDAII ...
Thanks !
Taco
Hi there,
I have recently fitted the CK3100 & have to say its been really good. It integrates with the vehicle, just like any other professionally available car kit.
That's the good news - the bad news is the XDA II (in all its guises) - still the age old problem of the lack of car kit profile means that the functionality is limited.
Yes, it does pair with the CK3100. Yes it will send and receive calls. What it won't do is make any proper use of the LCD display, nor will it allow access to the address book on the PDA.
In short, it will interact in the same way as it would any BT headset - because that is what it thinks its talking to !
If I use the car and need my handsfree - I have to muse my old Nokia 6310i - which works perfectly - allowing full use of the LCD screen and 100% access to all the data on the phone.
You may wish to check out the other threads on this site regarding the known and ongooing problem with the BT stack on the XDA II.
It's really pathetic that my old nokia beats the more advanced XDA II hands down when it comes to BT integration.
best of luck
Redz
Redz,
Have you tried installing the Pocket Bluetooth tools (http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html) to create a carkit profile in the XDAII ?
I've ordered the Parrot and will receive it later this week.
A slight diversion
I hate hijacking but any of you guys know how to get the Motorola car kit to answere calls. O2 blame Pocket Windows 2003. MS blame Motorola. Making calls is fine but answereing is a no no so Ive to call callers back when on the road. Any ideas
GJW
redz said:
Hi there,
I have recently fitted the CK3100 & have to say its been really good. It integrates with the vehicle, just like any other professionally available car kit.
Redz
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Hi Redz
Tell me....does it only work for the phone function, or does it puts out other sound like mp3 or Tomtom nav directions ?
thx in advance,
iGadget
igadget said:
Tell me....does it only work for the phone function, or does it puts out other sound like mp3 or Tomtom nav directions ?
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Phone only, and just using a headset profile, without the option of adjusting the volume which results in (too) loud sound, causing echo.
I have tried searching the forums and can't find much Info.
Is anybody here using the above system for telephony & GPS; If so how do they intergrate/do they work well on the XDA II (I have ROM Version 1.72 with Radio1.17)
I Know about the headset profile probs not giving full functionality of the Handsfree use of the car kit but this doesn't bother me to much as long as I can Make and receive calls.
Thanks in anticipation!
I was going to get a CK3100, but heard so many problems regarding build quality, and lack of support, I got a HCB 30 instead.
It did not help when I tried to e-mail parrot for advice and 3 different e-mail adresses bounced back.
Works Perfect!
Just had the CK3300 installed today and it works perfectly - I Knew some of the functions didn't work because the XDA2 only supports headset profile but once you have transferred your contacts to the kit via bluetooth it works well.
Also the GPS works well with CoPilot 5 live; it picked up the signal straight away ; well pleased with this set up!!
same to me have the ck3300 tested with qtek2020 - works fine. problems with 9090 but after bluetooth update now it works fine. No tests with S100 at this time.
tested GPS with destinator 3 and map&guide fleet navigator and mobileobjects fleet management system.
don't use bluetooth tools after Rom 1.66 :!: CK3x00 didn't work aber installation of this
Set up
Just had the CK3300 installed today and it works perfectly - I Knew some of the functions didn't work because the XDA2 only supports headset profile but once you have transferred your contacts to the kit via bluetooth it works well.
Also the GPS works well with CoPilot 5 live; it picked up the signal straight away ; well pleased with this set up!!
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Any tips on setting up the CK3300 with my XDA2?
Just had the car kit fitted - i need both nav and handsfree functions - but i am not sure that i have got the phone and ck3300 to bond properly. So everything is 'greyed out' on the parrot.
Using ROM 1.72.00WWE (1.72.181) and radio 1.17.00
Thanks for any help received.
If everything is greyed out then it isn't bonded properly!
Step 1
Delete the pairings you have from XDA2 and car Kit;
Step 2
On the car kit turn the control knob untill settings appear- then scroll to 'Advanced Settings' - 'pairing a telephone' - 'windows CE device'
Step 3
Now search for devices using your XDA2 and the car kit should be shown.
Step 4
Enter passcode 1234 and accept headset and serial profiles when shown.
PAIRING COMPLETE
to access your phonebook you need to transfere the contacts via bluetooth to the car kit.
Hope this helps
XDA2 CK3300
Managed to get the GPS set up (fiddling with COM ports - even imbeciles strike lucky sometimes)
Some items are now in black. However, I am not sure that I have done it right as I cannot get it to use my phone to make calls or receive them. Which is exactly why I bought it in the first place.
So, please (please please) can you tell me how to exchange my phonebook?
I am going to sit in the car right now and have a go at your bonding advice...maybe all will become clear (but that is not often my experience!)
Thanks again for your help.
You need to bond the phones in the manner I described or it will not work ; this is clearly ststed in the Parrot instructions and on their website.
(I have noticed a strong correlation between people who do not read instructions and complain things do not work!!) - Joke
You also need to make sure your headset profile is active on the XDA 2 for it to work. Again reading the instructions for the phonebook - you tap and hold a contact on the XDA2 and select 'beam contact' - 'via bluetooth' the bluetooth search then comes up and the car kit will be found you then 'tap to send'
Now i have the opposite problem!
Believe it or not, I have now got the XDA2 and the CK3300 bonding automatically so I can make and receive calls whilst driving. It works pretty well (occasionally makes an awful noise, but only occasionally). I am impressed.
However, once I had done that, the GPS is undetectable. I have tried all sorts of combinations. I have checked the instructions - and selected the long code (ends in 9600) but I am not certain that I am using the right com port. I have tried most of them without success.
Oddly, this is the one thing that WAS working before I got the car kit to work (for calls). Somehow, either I have lost the right settings OR the XDA2 won't do both (although I read somewhere that it would) OR my ROM needs updating (uh?)
Please help.
BTW, I am due a phone upgrade - I love the xda2 but would consider getting another phone if necessary, if anyone can recommend one that is fully CK3300 and TomTom compatible.
I don't use Tom Tom myself but from reading these forums I think you need to install the patch on their website to allow Tom Tom to use the correct Port .
Your Car Kit also needs it's software updating if it makes a noise like you say. On the Car Kit go to > settings-advanced settings-information and you will find the software version (sounds like 4.03) if it makes a noise. The latest on the Parrot website is 4.10b and this will fix the noise issue.
If you need help installing this let me know.
The best Phone is surprisingly the Old Fashioned Nokia 6310i - it has a good bluetooth stack and uses the handsfree profile rather than the headset so contacts sync automatically but if you require live traffic info best stick with what you got as the Nokia will not pair with the XDAII and the car kit at same time.
Which COM port?
For the moment, I have a temporary solution.
However, I have updated the TomTom Navigator software and the GPS, but still don't know which port the GPS in the CK3300 should be connected to.
Any ideas?
And, thanks Nikpro for the excellent help so far - you are a true altruist and a star!
The outbound port on the xdaII is port 5 by default
On XDAII go to Settings - System tab - Bluetooth settings and make sure you check the tick box for outbound COM port.
There is also a chance you have deleted your serial port profile so tap on the bluetooth icon in the Today Screen and go to bonded devices. Select the CK3300 and delete partnership (do not delete pairing from car kit end!)
Then search for new devices from the XDAII and the CK3300 will again come up; create a new partenship and everything should be good.
Still having problems
Oddly, I still cannot use the GPS on the CK3300.
I am using my old TomTom at the moment for GPS and the CK3300 for headset - which works fine, but I wanted the CK3300 to do both.
When I try and reset the GPS to the (series of numbers ending in 9600) as stated in the info and the instructions (Nikpro, take note - I have read them - but your comment made me laugh), the TomTom just 'freezes'. Wait - and wait - and wait - and when it reincarnates itself, no GPS at all.
I am using the 1.72.00WWE rom and radio 1.17.00
I think that I have tried every permutation for the COM port.
Has anyone any ideas? Please?
When you initially pair your XDA to the car kit do you get a message about serial connection show on the screen? The problem must be with the tom tom software as with copilot and mapopolis it works fine? or the way you are pairing the two!
What software version is the car kit? PLEASE DESCRIBE HOW YOU ARE PAIRING THE DEVICES??
Hi all, 1st post and all that.
Have you tried falshing the parrot with the newest rom, mine picked up enough to make and recieve call, but i flashed my xdaII with 2.02.T1WWE this morning and it works even better.
Hope you get a result
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I don't use Tom Tom myself but from reading these forums I think you need to install the patch on their website to allow Tom Tom to use the correct Port .
Your Car Kit also needs it's software updating if it makes a noise like you say. On the Car Kit go to > settings-advanced settings-information and you will find the software version (sounds like 4.03) if it makes a noise. The latest on the Parrot website is 4.10b and this will fix the noise issue.
If you need help installing this let me know.
The best Phone is surprisingly the Old Fashioned Nokia 6310i - it has a good bluetooth stack and uses the handsfree profile rather than the headset so contacts sync automatically but if you require live traffic info best stick with what you got as the Nokia will not pair with the XDAII and the car kit at same time.
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Use Bluetooth tools www.bluetooth.jazztel.es
and edit the registry under hkey local machine, builtin, BTIBserial, rename BTIBserial.dll into BTIOBserial.dll
and go Start, Settings, System, Bluetooth settings and check both inbound and outbound.
Delete ALL paired devices, reboot, and re pair them.
You will now have an option for two serial ports, one for each device.
This is the only way to do it if you have two devices that need a serial port. If you have a third, you are SOL.
Normally, the stupid programmers who made the MS BT program, made it so it only had one dynamic port for BT. Some people would experience having to reboot before switching BT devices, most would have to re pair every dam time.
The new 2005 does not have this problem but it has other bugs.
They smart people at MS changed the databases so Mapopolis and other third party programs can not read the contacts or have other bugs with them. Plus the 2005 version here limits your memory.
The 2.02 - 2.06 will NOT work with Hands Free and most car kits need it and if you have caller ID via BT, you are SOL too.
The 2.20 is a stable and a good OS and the Hands free works much better. The down side is, when I get a call on the call waiting, even if I did not answer, it would disconnect the BT headset and no sound through the phone too. I would have to, click on Tools, Hands Free off, tools Hands
Free on before it would work. I have lost many clients this way.
I decided to disable call waiting in the phone settings and it only has a few bugs now like I have to turn off and then back on the BT headset after ever call or it would revert to Headset mode.
The caller ID will not display if the call is in the history of my BT headset or if it is in my contacts database.
I mention my BT headset because it is like a car system when used in Hands free mode.
Good luck, let me know if you have any trouble now.
Parrot 3100 with XDA II
Hello,
I have just put in a Parrot 3100 and it works fine as a handsfree phone.
is there any way when I am not in the car though to use my Jabra 250v headset without rebonding and selecting it as the preferred headset device?
I can't seem to switch between the Parrot and the Jabra when the other one is not in use without repairing.
Thanks for any advice
BT
Try turning of one and turning on the other and soft reset..
Ok, I have just spent my entire weekend trying to get my Qtek 9090 to communicate to my newly installed Parrot CK3300 (with GPS). I have read the manual about 3 times from beginning to end, know the whole website parrot.biz by hard (ugly site BTW), and have tried about everything in configuring, but with no success so far.
Initially I had the 2 devices paired to each other, but after I installed Tom Tom 3, it is impossible for me to get them to pair again. Nevertheless, the 2 devices "see" each other (when asked in "Linked devices"), but they can not get to communicate. From all the stuff I have read on forums and sites, it seems that I need to upgrade my Bluetooth version, but I have no idea how and where to start this procedure.
Can anyone help me out here ?
Any tips are welcome !
Well, this is not really a question or problem. But just a headsup that the Diamond works just fine with my Nokia CK-7W.
However it would also be nice to hear from you guys (and girls) as well, since I can't imagine I'm the only one with succes!
You might wonder "Why the hell do you post this?!". Well, that's simple because when I wanted to find out whether that Nokia carkit would work together with the Diamond I coulnd't find anything.
And since my experiences with Nokia carkits and HTC phones weren't all that good (read: BAD, lots of echo and weird connection problems) I was pretty anxious to give this a try.
After testing it on another CK-7W, which was already built in a car, I figured it worked perfectly so I took the plunge and got one for my car.
(Before you ask, why no parrot or other brand? I was able to get my hands on this one really cheap.)
The only problem I got was the first time I wanted to pair the device. Every time after entering the 4 digit passcode I got a message saying the passcode was incorrect. Instantly, not even trying to connect. After leaving it all alone for 10-15 minutes and I tried to connect again it suddenly worked without any problems. And it's still working with no issues at all.
ROM I use:
SWIFTBL WWE DIAMOND ROM V7.5
OS Version: CE 5.2.20755 (Build 20755 AKU 1.4.0)
Base ROM Version: 1.93.405.1 UK WWE
So.. more succes stories here? Or problems?
Hi
I have the same setup, Nokia CK-7W in my volvo s60 connected to my MDA Compact IV running swiftbldade 7.5.
It all works perfect.
I even have MS Voice command setup with it and it annonuces incoming callers and messages perfectly and voice dialling works perfect as well.
Call quality is very good as well.
Shaks
Hey - I've got my CK-7W working fine too, except I'd like to also enable wireless stereo... but the option doesn't seem to exist... I bought the CK-7W off a friend, and he was able to use wireless stereo, but I cn't - has anyone else had any success...?
Relly something I want for using TomTom, etc...
Hi i have CK-7W car kit and I am having problems getting my Diamond to pair can you please advise how you guys paired your ones?
Can't say anything more than I just used the normal way to pair, go to bluetooth settings, search for device and select the carkit + enter correct passcode.
I did however have some problems in the beginning. It would find the carkit but after entering the passcode it said pairing failed.
But when I tried later again it went without a problem, and it paired everytime without a problem ever since.
I dont think the ck-7w supports stereo audio. There are however apps that can route the audio over the carkit. BTAudio is one called if I remember correctly. That way you can have the tomtom over the carkit, but quality isn't that good really.
And some say that using that audio routing also gives 'problems' sometimes, as in it sometimes seems like there is audio (e.g. the car radio is muted) but you don't hear anything for a few secs. So that can be quite annoying.
hmmm??? My diamond wont even pick up the car kit during the search!
I had some problems pairing in the first place...
Don't try to search for the car-kit using the phone, just have your Diamond on BT visible to others, and the car-kit will try to connect automatically... I think you might need to hold the button on the car-kit down for like 10 seconds for it to search, but definately let the kit find the phone, not the other way around...
I fitted one of these to my brother in law's car the other day. Tested it with my diamond, but i expected it to be cross compatible.
Bit offtopic, but what's the advantage compared with a just as pricy parrot system?
Hi Y'all,
I am using my Diamond with the nokia CK-7W and it works fine as well. Paired up without much fuss....
Riel said:
Bit offtopic, but what's the advantage compared with a just as pricy parrot system?
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Eh.. none? I find the quality better compared to my old ck3300 parrot carkit. However, this one doesnt have a small lcd display or something. Not that I missed the lcd screen though, but sure was a nice feature.
Best thing about the parrot was that it's possible to put a new firmware on it. Could make them a little bit more 'future-proof'.
Nokia CK-7W with HTC Touch Diamond2, VITO VoiceDialer
Pairing the device was easy. In coming calls are working. Push on the carkit button and I can answer the call.
The problem that I have is that I can't do a voice call. If I push on the carkit button nothing happens. I would have expected that the VoiceDialer app would be started and I could make a voice call. The VoiceDialer app works without bluetooth.
Has anyone an idea how I get voice dialing working?
Remark:
With my pervious cell phone Motorola L6 was this possible. Pushed on the carkitt button, wait on the beep, say the name, when recognized it repeats the name and the number was dialed by the phone.
My touch pro seems to have real bluetooth issues with my JVC KD-NX5000 stereo system. My kaiser worked flawlessly with it but with the touch pro it wont pair at times and when it does it wont let me use any of the many functions that the stereo offers (voice dialing, downloaded phonebook, etc) I assume this is a problem with the ms bluetooth stack and was wondering how tough of a job it would be to switch to a broadcomm stack or if anyone has thought about making a custom rom with the broadcomm stack. Just curious if Im the only one with issues with wm 6.1 and bluetooth.
i have the same problem with my diamnd anbd jvc car audio
Slightly OT rant:-
I had the opposite problem with pioneer + broadcom...
Pioneer only looks for handsets which identify themselves as phone or smartphone, and my device identified itself as a pda.
I actually told pioneer about the problem, and rather than forwarding on to the developers, I got a stock reply:-
"This phone is not on our compatibility list" (so we don't care)
So I went and got an MS based phone (you can change it to smartphone with a regedit).
Never buying pioneer again...
- Anthony
Similiar issue with my opel carkit.
Tried to make the broadcom stack working, but got a memory error when opening its blue tooth manager.
After uninstalling, bluetooth didn't work at all anymore, needed to perform a hard reset.
Has anyone successfully installed the broadcom BT stack on the touchpro/raphael?
I found that my Touch Pro would pair and then drop out when connecting to my Kenwood DDX5032 car stereo bluetooth adaptor. I couldn't dial from the Kenwood kit, couldn't use A2DP (wouldn't even connect), and really couldn't use any Headset Profile functions at all.
I persisted with pairing and unpairing in different ways (you can initiate the pairing from the Kenwood itself rather than the phone), but nothing really worked.
Then trinode's post about changing a registry setting sent me down that track and now everything is working fine
I found the relevant setting from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290871, which is [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\sys\COD], and then changed the HTC TP default value of '5898764' (decimal), to the value from my old Dopod838Pro, which was '5374228' (in decimal).
I didn't even need to repair the Kewood to the HTC TP - it just worked straight away, as if it said "Oh, sorry, did you want me to work? I thought you wanted me to be in 'stupid' mode! My bad - everything will work now."
So all good, and thanks to trinode for pointing me in the right direction.
Codenix.
After hard-resetting my Touch Pro to fix another separate issue, now this problem has come back and this time changing the COD value hasn't fixed it. It would appear my previous post may have attributed my success to the wrong thing
The search for the answer continues!
I found a firmware update for my Kenwood's bluetooth adaptor which fixed the problem. I don't know why it ever worked at all before this update, but there you go!
I'll create a separate thread to share this with others in case anyone else out there has a Kenwood bluetooth kit and a Touch Pro or a Diamond.
Thanks.
The thread I created re the Kenwood is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2835805
@ Trinode
Pioneer sent my unit back, but never told me that my phone was not supported. Where did you flag the smartphone in the registry? Did it fix the BT connection/unti reboot issue? I had a AVIC F500BT (sold it) now have a AVIC X910BT same issue as the 500 had.
@ Trinode. I found the hack , tried it, but it still doesn't resolve my issue. Are there any other mods out there for the BT Stack prob?
Hello sensation owners,
I've got this amazing pioneer x3 with nav and bluetooth. Now the two are paired and the a2dp profile is running awesome, but there is one thing. I cant get the phonebook paired with my carkit.
I've study it last week and I know that
The sensation isn't supported by www.android-rsap.com
Hope this will be fixed. I've tried bluetooth file transport to send a vcard but no succes.
sent with unbranded htc sensation stock rom not rooted.
bmwsensation said:
Hello sensation owners,
I've got this amazing pioneer x3 with nav and bluetooth. Now the two are paired and the a2dp profile is running awesome, but there is one thing. I cant get the phonebook paired with my carkit.
I've study it last week and I know that
The sensation isn't supported by www.android-rsap.com
Hope this will be fixed. I've tried bluetooth file transport to send a vcard but no succes.
sent with unbranded htc sensation stock rom not rooted.
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Had a quick look and the sensation supports: http://www.htc.com/us/support/sensation4g-tmobile/help/bluetooth
The phone supports the following Bluetooth Profiles: A2DP, HID, HFP, AVRCP, PBAP, OPP, FTP, GAP, GOEP, HSP, MAP, SPP and SDAP profiles, as well as other standard profiles.
Can you not use PBAP ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile
Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP, PBA)
Phone Book Access (PBA)[5][6] or Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP) is a profile that allows exchange of Phone Book Objects between devices. It is likely to be used between a car kit and a mobile phone to:
allow the car kit to display the name of the incoming caller;
allow the car kit to download the phone book so the user can initiate a call from the car display.
SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP)
This allows devices such as car phones with built-in GSM transceivers to connect to a SIM card in a phone with Bluetooth, thus the car phone itself doesn't require a separate SIM card. This profile is also known as rSAP (remote-SIM-Access-Profile). More information on which phones are supported can be found here(German version only)
Does the Pioneer even have a built-in GSM receiver ? If I've read the info correctly the implication I took is that, rSAP allows a GSM enabled carkit to piggy back off the SIM in the phone. The car kit has to do all the GSM Transmit/Receive for the call and not the phone. I looked at some phones that support it and they're generally OLD ones, e.g. Nokia 6310i.