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Hi guys,
hopefully will be returning my I-Mate 9502 soon, and the only device I can imagine replacing it with is a Pro.
Are video drivers present? I read a few threads, but can't find a solid answer. Can the Pro at least play VGA video at full framerate? Can it do this through TV-out? I want to be able to play a divX video from my PC without having to convert.
Also, are there any other horiffic bugs/problems that I should know about that will stop me doing basic things?
Cheers,
Mike
I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
Touchscreen Bug
Yes. I am also looking forward to touch pro. Only one thing interests me and hasn't been completely answered even in diamond forum: can anyone test if THE TOUCHSCREEN BUG from devices like tytn II still exist when playing a game that requires continuous stylus on screen (skyforce reloaded for ex, or call of duty 2). i saw some videos on youtube with a guy playing an emulator on the diamond and it was flawless. If that is the case, then I'm clear to buy this puppy.
rakdoll said:
I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
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I couldn't get gxmark to work, just got a plain white screen. I'll try something else later and test the video playing if nobody else does but I'm just having dinner right now
@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
Video playing is flawless using Coreplayer, and using the TV-Out cable has absolutely no effect on performance.
I'm not a big believer in benchmarks, but out of interest I ran benchmarks Coreplayer using DirectDraw, GDI, Raw FrameBuffer and QTV Display, just to see whether "QTV display" is still much better - it isn't - they all come out at roughly 140%. So there isn't the same sort of difference that I got when using "QTV Display" on the Kaiser, but the improvement isn't needed anyway (on the Kaiser the same videos would always return benchmarks under 100% unless I used the "QTV Display").
I've tried seven different 700Mb Xvid .avi movies, and they've all work perfectly. No page tearing or stuttering using CorePlayer. Haven't tried TCPMP, but I'm sure it'd work just as well.
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@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
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Just ran the test, but I have no idea whether the results are any good. They're attached though...
Just tried a selection of video files from my PC in Windows Media Player on the Touch Pro and here are my findings (Video file info determined with GSpot v2.7):
.WMV file: 640x480 29.96fps 1257kps Audio: 44100Hz stereo 64Kps:
It didn't cope too well with it to be honest, sound was ok but the video only appeared to have about half the framerate of what it should be.
.AVI file: DivX 5/6 Codec 640x480 29.97fps 3164kps Audio: PCM 48000Hz 1536kps
Didn't play the video at all - got sound only (probably no video codec on device)
.AVI file: XVid Codex 720x438 29.97fps 1991kps Audio: MP3 44100Hz 128kps
Didn't play video or sound - came up with the message "Windows Media Player cannot play the file."
.MP4 file: 640x480 24fps 1601kps Audio: MP4 48000Hz Unknown kps
Played perfectly - Very smooth and not noticeably different from performance on my PC
.MPG files: Touch Pro does not recognise this format, wanted to try a PAL DVD quality MPEG 2 file
Looks like MP4 is the way to go for video files then
@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
I'll try TCPMP then, used that a lot on my Vario II to play flv files but I originally didn't bother to install it on the touch pro cos I knew it could handle flv files since it had a youtube player built in!
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@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
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I should declare that I had a few things minimised in the background (ActiveSync, Calendar, Messaging, File Explorer) and push mail was running, so it wasn't exactly a scientific test and I'm sure I could get marginally better results if I could be bothered!
We would expect it to be pretty much identical to the Diamond anyway, wouldn't we?
Video is very jerky if you just try to play it in CorePlayer, but if you run a CorePlayer benchmark on it, it's as smooth as you like. Odd. Much better in WMP, but still jerky.
@sub69 I'm having a little issue with text message notifications, could you do me a quick favour and try this on your touch pro: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418089 If you want me to send you a text message to try it out Private message me with your mobile number and I'll send the word "test" to you!
The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
(just wanted to say this) You guys are the best! So much needed info about this, keep on going!
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@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
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Don't really wanna pay $20 for testing purposes, sorry and TCPMP doesn't work either - another of the many programs I've found which don't seem to like VGA screens I'm using version 0.72RC1 is there a newer one which might work or is this the latest?
EDIT: just found another cab file for TCPMP on the Athena forum which has a different file name to mine, will give that a try!
2nd EDIT lol: No, that was no good either - it wouldn't even install!
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
Try the one in this post, this is working on the diamond so high probability it will work on the touch pro.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2061081&postcount=1
Cab at the bottom.
mrvanx said:
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
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Thanks,
I found changing the "Normal buffer size" to about 8000 kb improves video playback dramatically of an XVid file. This video was designed for the Tilt however with a 320x240 video size. I'll have to wait and see how it plays something at 640x480.
aksd said:
The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
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I guess that the smoother TF3D on the Raphael will be because it's a later build (later than any I ever saw in my Diamond ROM's, anyway).
Didn't get a percentage value for that video...I guess that because of the filetype, CorePlayer "benchmarks" it differently? CorePlayer just told me the bitrate and properties of that high-def file when I ran it's benchmark to the end. Again, QTV, DirectDraw, RawFrameBuffer, and GDI all looked pretty much identical to my untrained eye, but this time I didn't have percentage values to confirm that...
Can i play a 700MB 640x480 X-Vid (or wmv,...) file on a touch pro with coreplayer smoothly? or even a 2x700MB movie? (-->means double bitrate)
Sorry if the question is stupid, but i always read no concrete answer. (means YES or NO)
greetings
empi
is an app required? i have 2 xvid files on my sdcard and neither mvideoplayer or video player see them
use encodehd and convert them to mp4.
Relax Preppy said:
is an app required? i have 2 xvid files on my sdcard and neither mvideoplayer or video player see them
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Try "yxflash" from the market. It claims to be able to play WMV, DivX & Xvid... Haven't tried it myself though.
It's a $19.99 app that has to be purchased outside the market though... I don't like the way they're trying to conduct business.
Try meridian from the market. Haven't tested xvid yet but seems to play things otherwise built in on my mytouch couldn't haven't gotten that far.
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It's a $19.99 app that has to be purchased outside the market though... I don't like the way they're trying to conduct business.
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Yea. They're kinda shady since they call it free then charge you to use it.
I'm guessing, if it does actually work, he doesn't want some rooted dirtbag downloading and refunding to add to the plethora of pirated apps. I haven't seen the app yet, but I figure if allows google checkout, it should be as safe as any other purchase via google checkout.
isn't there a samsung android phone with divx support builtin? I'm pretty sure I read that some where. Wonder if someone is working on some sort of port...
there are two android phones which play divx/xvid out of the box. one from samsung and the other from lg. getting the drivers/media player ported from either of these phones would be a big plus from me. i know i could convert media before hand, however i use my memory card as a "memory stick" which i bring in to work to watch on the PC during lunch. being able to play the same files on the phone when i'm on the bus/train would be so much easier.
try doubletwist if you're on Windows/Mac... no linux version yet
it will convert them to play on android by just dragging them over to the device...
I can confirm that yxflash works on my G1. I just download a divx movie (about 700 mb) and play it. Unfortunately the frame rate is about 15 f/s. Hope on Nexus One it will be much better.
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It's a $19.99 app that has to be purchased outside the market though... I don't like the way they're trying to conduct business.
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btw, they still have xmas, you can get 50% off while using coupon code "xmas".
Still too expensive for my opinion, but hey, they come from the apple universum where all have too much money.
Now this post isnt going to be of much use because i couldnt find all the links i was after..... however
There were people requesting the samsung xvid/divx player be ported out back on the G1. Seems that one of XDA's members lbcoder has some decent incite on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566591&highlight=divx
He posted
divx is just an implementation of iso mpeg4.
So...
to make it play you need to;
1) ensure that bitrate and resolution are low enough to be properly handled,
2) package it in a compatible container (mp4 works)
3) ensure that the AUDIO is encoded in a compatible manner (vorbis is great, but others also work, mp3, aac, etc.)
4) ensure that there is no crap in the file showing that it is divx because it simply doesn't know what divx *IS* -- make it read as mpeg4 -- this does NOT require reencoding the file, just using a SANE header.
brotbuexe said:
btw, they still have xmas, you can get 50% off while using coupon code "xmas".
Still too expensive for my opinion, but hey, they come from the apple universum where all have too much money.
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I thought $10 wasn't bad. It plays awesome on the N1. It takes me 10 minuted to download a Divx movie, but 30 mins to convert. Over the course of several months, I would save a ton of time converting movies. I can download directly to the SD card via browser and play with yxflash.
Yes, having to purchase outside the market is shady, but I have contacted them several times with issues and they resolved them within one day.
Found the app via market at first glance i thought nah **** it because of the bad rating.. at second glance i actually took the time to read the comments, turns out most of the comments where bad/laggy playback, witch was partly due to Magic / Heros hardware, and the resizing requirements..
ive installed the trial, and it plays beautifully.. although sometimes i do get some lines across the screen, but they are hard to notice...
Price is still a bit high thou! :/ im gonna give it a month or two to see if a cheaper alternative shows up, and hopefully by that time Google will have opened up the market in Denmark.
used yxflash to play an hd copy of ice age 3 in xvid, ran nearly perfect, every so often there is some frame skip
Hello All,
I have spent almost the whole of today looking for a good video converter for the HD2
I have sum new RMVB and MKV Movies and would love too convert them in 800x400 but cant seem too find a good converter!
Can you please help me with whats working for each off you!
Much Appreciated
format factory rocks
The free and amazing mp4forHD.
You can find it on this forum, it's made for HTC HD but it also has a profile the HD2
MeGui - nothing beats it!
Toss3,
but for getting best results in MeGUI advanced experience is needed.
Could you do us the favour and post your most important settings for
best results on HD2 here? Would appreciate it
Best regards, Olioaglio
wow...thanks for the replies guys!!
i found mp4hd and used it too convert the simpsons movie and rambo 4
the quality of conversion is great but the sound and video is out of sync by a little and not much!
should i be looking at any specific settings to get the best out of mp4hd???
thanks again and i will try the other recommendations and get bk too u guys
cheers
I use my custom profile in WinMEnc, which offsets the audio so it plays in sync on the device
Olioaglio said:
Toss3,
but for getting best results in MeGUI advanced experience is needed.
Could you do us the favour and post your most important settings for
best results on HD2 here? Would appreciate it
Best regards, Olioaglio
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Search for p-krill's posts. I'm using the same settings he posted in this thread.
TMPGEnc.XPress converter looks so good but its taking me 5 hrs plus too convert a 2hr movie
the quality looks immaculate with the settings provided
am trying formfactory now so let you know how it goes but it seems alot quicker and has alot of functions aswell
Have a look at the HTC HD Touch Video Converter, get also really nice results. And you can use Subtitles too.
TMPGEnc.XPress
There have been really quite a lot of threads on this subject before: original poster, you might like try to searching the forum before posting a question to see if it has been asked before.
A couple of examples of earlier threads: here, here and here.
Sadly, such threads never seem come to any useful conclusions. This is partly because everyone piles in and automatically recommends whichever app they use, without stating why they recommend it, or what benefits it has over any other app, or what parameters they recommend using with it. It's also because I don't think ever completely nailed down the optimum encoding parameters. This thread got some way towards that goal, but I don't think we ever came to any firm conclusions.
If you are not sure what you are doing then I recommend MP4ForHD, which you can download here. The results are perhaps not quite optimal, but they're pretty good, and it's fairly idiot proof. Use the default HD2 profile, to begin with.
I would steer clear of the Touch HD "Video Encoding GUI" as its settings are too conservative for the HD2; it trades off video quality for ease of processing in a way that is necessary on a Touch HD but not on an HD2.
If you are more of an expert then I suggest MediaCoder.
To elaborate on my settings.
Install WinMEnc
Add my profile to the profile folder.
Load WinMenc, add you files, select my profile from the dropdown list, check 'fit to width' on the 'Video' tab, and encode.
Play the mp4 in HTC Album.
Example video
I've batch encoded Dexter season 4 720p with the above settings, and it looks amazing.
Shasarak said:
There have been really quite a lot of threads on this subject before: original poster, you might like try to searching the forum before posting a question to see if it has been asked before.
A couple of examples of earlier threads: here, here and here.
Sadly, such threads never seem come to any useful conclusions. This is partly because everyone piles in and automatically recommends whichever app they use, without stating why they recommend it, or what benefits it has over any other app, or what parameters they recommend using with it. It's also because I don't think ever completely nailed down the optimum encoding parameters. This thread got some way towards that goal, but I don't think we ever came to any firm conclusions.
If you are not sure what you are doing then I recommend MP4ForHD, which you can download here. The results are perhaps not quite optimal, but they're pretty good, and it's fairly idiot proof. Use the default HD2 profile, to begin with.
I would steer clear of the Touch HD "Video Encoding GUI" as its settings are too conservative for the HD2; it trades off video quality for ease of processing in a way that is necessary on a Touch HD but not on an HD2.
If you are more of an expert then I suggest MediaCoder.
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Simply because everyone has their own standards of what is good/good enough/who cares? There isn't a single encoding method that is the "best", per se.
For me, I have ended my quest for encoding specs, and I've already listed the software and parameters I've used. I'm sure someone out there will disagree, saying that other parameters would make it better in terms of size/quality, with or without CUDA (and the list goes on and on), and kudos to them. Personally I'm more than happy with my encodes, I'm glad that kr00t0n finds it useful too.
kr00t0n said:
To elaborate on my settings.
Install WinMEnc
Add my profile to the profile folder.
Load WinMenc, add you files, select my profile from the dropdown list, check 'fit to width' on the 'Video' tab, and encode.
Play the mp4 in HTC Album.
Example video
I've batch encoded Dexter season 4 720p with the above settings, and it looks amazing.
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Recently I'm having troubles with this profile for encoding mkvs (mostly music videos)...They tend to crash a little into the encoding. You have this problem?
However if I encode them into avi with similar encoding specs, it works. It looks like encoding h264 into h264 causes a problem for mkvs, at least for me.
madmarf said:
Have a look at the HTC HD Touch Video Converter, get also really nice results. And you can use Subtitles too.
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use this
I use Winavi MP4 converter.. easy fast nice ;-)
Hi,
i downloaded HTC touch HD video converter 1.21 version.
and converted a 2.5GB 720p mkv movie to 800x480 900kbps 160kb audio.
i am interested in mainly converting mkv to hd2 format.
i have a duo 2 core 8400 processor and it took me like 4 hrs.
i read somewhere that on HD2 keeping the video bitrate above 700kbps doesnt make a difference and just ends up using more battery while playback.
is that true??
what should be the best settings i should keep in order to get good results?
also is there any other way to convert in a shorter time than this??
will keeping a lower video bitrate decrease the total time??
i know many of you will say trial and error is the best way, but i am asking to get a head start as 4+hrs to convert one movie is alot of time.
anyways thanks for answering guys
i am curious too about the questions geronemo has, maybe some would like to share their experiences here?
I use badaboom it use your Nvidia GPU wich is much faster If you want the right settings for it ask me. 30 minutes video is 6 minutes converting video.
I would be really, really greatfull if anybody could point me in the direction of any video/audio encoder software for a pc that I will convert a DVD to MP4 that will play on the HD2 with out BLOODY LIP SYNC issues??? (I don’t mind paying for it if it works)
I am beginning to wonder if it is possible to play any MP4 material on the HD2 with out the video/audio sync being out.
I used to own a HD1 and used protection’s great free app for this and the results were very good. Video was a little bit jerky but the lip sync was spot on
The audio is about a second behind when I play those files on the HD2???????, (When playing them on a PC sync is also spot on, so the video is not artificially delayed for the purposes of being in sync for the HD1)
I have tried Videora HTC Converter; trial version of DVD Catalyst 3, Handbrake, and Mp4ForHD and no matter how I set them up the lip sync is always out???
The main reason I upgraded to a HD2 was because of the large screen and fast processor for playing back video but it is worse that the HD1 due to lip sync. (also the video is still not any where near as smooth as the iphone and it has a 1GHz processor!!!!)
I am beginning to get very disappointed in the HD2 and any help would be much appreciated.
(P.S, this is using stock rom and various Cooked roms and the results as the same)
Thanks
Jason
Try this. After encoding there is an ability to synchronisize picture and sound. Most time this toll isn´t needed, because the rips are in high quality. Use the archos7 settings for the rip. And set volume to +2, otherwize it´s much to loud. Brightness has the best results with +6, the sound quality at 7% and the picture at 80%, because more quality let the file grow to more than 1 GB. For Playback use the Leo TCPMP, it´s the best player for these rips.
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Try this. After encoding there is an ability to synchronisize picture and sound. Most time this toll isn´t needed, because the rips are in high quality. Use the archos7 settings for the rip. And set volume to +2, otherwize it´s much to loud. Brightness has the best results with +6, the sound quality at 7% and the picture at 80%, because more quality let the file grow to more than 1 GB. For Playback use the Leo TCPMP, it´s the best player for these rips.
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Cheers for reply Neo XL, will give it a go
I had the same problem, but got good results from: mp4forHD. There is an update/add-on for the HD2 which gives good picture and sound. Easy to use and all the settings are there for you.
Plays back perfectly in the standard HD2 video player.
Search this forum for the link....
this is the answer to your request
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649798
enjoy!
I use Handbrake 0.9.4,
Settings : MP4 , i dont use H.264,
Use FFmpeg, bitrate : 1500Kbps for anime, 2000Kbps for movie/songs.
Plays flawlessly on HD2.
converted 1080p, 720p, DVD, Youtube HD Vids, all to mp4 and plays well on HD2. no problem.
Thanks for all the answers, I have tried them all and I find that the lip sync is still out?
On mp4forHD, I used the HD2 profile and the sync was still way out.
I found that Handbrake 0.9.4, was the best using MP4, instead of H.264 but it is still not perfect.
I am playing the material using both WMP and HTC player. What I am doing wrong?
The HD2 is a bit if a disappointment to me in the video play back department considering its spec it promised so much.
I already used protections Video encoding GUI for my HD1 and don’t recall any lip sync issues on that device.
hi all,
3/4 of synchronization problems come from encoding when it is done with a variable rate codec VBR, for greater compatibility, it is recommended to use a fixed rate compression call CBR when encoding audio
Ok, but what I don’t understand is why files that are perfectly in sync when played on a pc and on the HD1 are out of sync when played on the HD2???
It’s as if the only way to get them in sync is to artificially delay the video when encoding...
I could sort of understand it more if it was the other way round as video generally takes longer to process than audio, but why should the audio be around 0.5 to 1 second delayed??? Don’t make sense to me.
Another thing I have noticed is that videos plays a lot smother when using WMP than using the HTC player, which is a shame as the HTC player is nicer to use in my opinion. The disappointing thing is I really didn’t expect any juddering of video on the HD2 after using the HD1 considering that it has a 1ghz processor which is FOUR times fast than the HD1, and I certainly wasn’t expecting this annoying lip sync issue.
People I know with iphones just laugh when I show them the never 100% smooth and, at best, slightly out of sync video performance on the HD2. The only thing they are jealous of is the bigger screen, which rumours say the next iphone will address.
Oh well, I suppose you have to put it down to the HD2’s main handicap, Windows Mobile. Hope version WM7 is better (if we can even use it on our HD2’s) sorry rambling onto a completely new subject now.
Never really had any massive problems with Handbrake. Ripped Top Gun and it was perfectly in sync for the entire movie.
If anyone here thinks the movies aren't desynced, look again. You might have just missed it the first time because the effect is subtle.
CBR, ABR, VBR, 3 different AAC codecs, 2 different MP3 codecs, even tried encoding the video differently. Every single time the sync was perfect on every device, computer, etc EXCEPT THE HD2.
There MUST be a way to fix this-- what's happening is that the audio is delayed slightly. To account for this, I'm currently purposefully encoding the audio at about 1/5 of a second in so that it accounts for the ~200-250ms desync (which is present in every video...including the stock ROM's Transformers movies!). This works but the file can't be played on any other system or computer of course because the file will be off by that 1/5 or 1/4 second.
Tried stock and 4 other ROMs. All exactly the same. I tried not to keep a single setting in common--fresh hard reset, etc. It's always there, and people have been complaining about it. Some people just don't notice 1/5 or 1/4 second delays. XD Or you think it's normal for the mouths to move a bit before the talking can be heard.
Surely a setting? Maybe it's something BSB tweaks can address? Somebody must know _something_, and the whole community would like to know what it is and how to fix our $450-700 de-synced movie players (HD2).
i use imTOO ultimate video converter. converted Spiderman, great quality and great sound. 10/10. file size was about 1.2gb. around the same size of transformers that it came with. but it looks the same
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If anyone here thinks the movies aren't desynced, look again. You might have just missed it the first time because the effect is subtle.
CBR, ABR, VBR, 3 different AAC codecs, 2 different MP3 codecs, even tried encoding the video differently. Every single time the sync was perfect on every device, computer, etc EXCEPT THE HD2.
There MUST be a way to fix this-- what's happening is that the audio is delayed slightly. To account for this, I'm currently purposefully encoding the audio at about 1/5 of a second in so that it accounts for the ~200-250ms desync (which is present in every video...including the stock ROM's Transformers movies!). This works but the file can't be played on any other system or computer of course because the file will be off by that 1/5 or 1/4 second.
Tried stock and 4 other ROMs. All exactly the same. I tried not to keep a single setting in common--fresh hard reset, etc. It's always there, and people have been complaining about it. Some people just don't notice 1/5 or 1/4 second delays. XD Or you think it's normal for the mouths to move a bit before the talking can be heard.
Surely a setting? Maybe it's something BSB tweaks can address? Somebody must know _something_, and the whole community would like to know what it is and how to fix our $450-700 de-synced movie players (HD2).
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What programs can you use that will create an audio delay?
Hi,
I have found audio sync (amongst other) issues with all the free products noted on XDA that i've tried. Another issue I also noticed was the complicated configuration recommendations from people. Whilst helpful, it was fruitless as all the output was still desynced (and some products couldn't even output 800x480). I downloaded a demo of SPB Mobile DVD and with a couple of clicks I can convert stored video files and DVD's with perfect sync to quality 800x480 xvid or WMV ro watch on either media player or the HTC player. I also found that the DivX Player provides options for audio sync so if you want to use one of the free products which doesn't sync you can align the audio when you watch it on your HD2.
cMMY69 said:
Hi,
I have found audio sync (amongst other) issues with all the free products noted on XDA that i've tried. Another issue I also noticed was the complicated configuration recommendations from people. Whilst helpful, it was fruitless as all the output was still desynced (and some products couldn't even output 800x480). I downloaded a demo of SPB Mobile DVD and with a couple of clicks I can convert stored video files and DVD's with perfect sync to quality 800x480 xvid or WMV ro watch on either media player or the HTC player. I also found that the DivX Player provides options for audio sync so if you want to use one of the free products which doesn't sync you can align the audio when you watch it on your HD2.
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Sorry, but it's not a software issue at all. The only way "SPB Mobile DVD" or any other conversion program can produce files which play without the audio delay is if these programs ruin the video by delaying in the opposite direction. Yes, there are programs that you can use to introduce a negative delay--ffdshow will do it if you can get directshow to use it. Avisynth has a delayaudio(float) function which accepts negative values.
But none of these workarounds solves the problem of why all audio is delayed on the HD2. Not just videos--Games, etc all have the problem. Coreplayer is a software decoder you can use to set a manual delay decoder-side... but this means you can't use the powersaving video acceleration of the device, and the files don't play back properly (skipped frames, reduced colors, no HE-AAC support, aliasing).
I have tried just about every bit software and settings on this forum and I am unable to get any decent quality in sync results.
Thought I would try SPB Mobile DVD, don’t what I am doing wrong, but I can’t seem to get it to convert from a DVD. It gets al the way to the last screen then just “freezes” and doesn’t start converting. Have tried with a number of DVD’s.
It starts converting ok when I pick a single file to convert, (it for some reason will only let you select one file and not multiple DVD files from this option??) but I don’t want to do that, I want to convert a DVD.
Any Ideas?????
That confirms it. This is not a software issue. The HD2 has an audio/video bug that HTC needs to fix: a 250ms audio delay.
curiousGeorge said:
That confirms it. This is not a software issue. The HD2 has an audio/video bug that HTC needs to fix: a 250ms audio delay.
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Sorry curiousGeorge what confirms it?
I too believe that the HD2 is at fault here as everything I encode via about 15 different pieces of software I have tried play back with perfect sync on the PC and out of sync on the HD2
THIS REALLY IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!
The only saving hope I have of the HD2 video play back capabilities is a clip I downloaded from post 14 of this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628092&page=2
It plays back perfectly in sync and perfectly smooth and the quality is amazing.
I would just LOVE to know how this was encoded and if it is possible to get anything near this from a DVD.
(I tried the program and settings mentioned on the thread and all I got was a load of MPEG4 files that looked rubbish and were out of sync)
With regard to SPB Mobile DVD, I finally got this to work on my pc but the resulting file does not play back with any sound???!!! So I don’t know if it has sync issues or not. It is also CRAP video quality and juggers all over the place.
I am really getting pi**ed off with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DVD Encode
I've found there is no need to encode Dvds specifically for the hd2. I've downloaded films from the net and copied them straight to the sd card. Played them through coreplayer and they play perfectly. Divx play with great quality.
jab1972 said:
Sorry curiousGeorge what confirms it?
I too believe that the HD2 is at fault here as everything I encode via about 15 different pieces of software I have tried play back with perfect sync on the PC and out of sync on the HD2
THIS REALLY IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!
The only saving hope I have of the HD2 video play back capabilities is a clip I downloaded from post 14 of this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628092&page=2
It plays back perfectly in sync and perfectly smooth and the quality is amazing.
I would just LOVE to know how this was encoded and if it is possible to get anything near this from a DVD.
(I tried the program and settings mentioned on the thread and all I got was a load of MPEG4 files that looked rubbish and were out of sync)
With regard to SPB Mobile DVD, I finally got this to work on my pc but the resulting file does not play back with any sound???!!! So I don’t know if it has sync issues or not. It is also CRAP video quality and juggers all over the place.
I am really getting pi**ed off with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because that video was encoded with a audio delayed added. It's a system flaw of the HD2 to play normal in synced video with a slight audio delay. Not really that audible to those who ain't looking for it, but it's there. And unless HTC does something to solve it, posting it in every thread out there isn't gonna change anything but sound irritating.
Do you know how to use the DVD encoding portion of winmenc? That could account for your wrong outputs. Or are the dvds CSS protected? Only non-protected dvds can be decoded direct. If not, you should use an app like DVDShrink to extract and decode those dvds to your pc, then use those source files in winmenc. Those will encode fine.
Well, i bought my HD7 a month ago and still loving it. But while using it, i have found several problems with the OS. I have no idea it is bug or not.
- I have the Zune Application (run on Windows 7 Professional x64) convert and sync a video that i have alread added a subtitile to it. But i don't see any subtitile run when i play the video on my HD7
- About the Image Quality when syncing to the device, kind of worse than seeing it on computer
- Could we do multi-tasking on WP7?I can't not shut down the IE Mobile Totally.
Sorry if i make any mistake in English
Strike_Eagle said:
Well, i bought my HD7 a month ago and still loving it. But while using it, i have found several problems with the OS. I have no idea it is bug or not.
- I have the Zune Application (run on Windows 7 Professional x64) convert and sync a video that i have alread added a subtitile to it. But i don't see any subtitile run when i play the video on my HD7
- About the Image Quality when syncing to the device, kind of worse than seeing it on computer
- Could we do multi-tasking on WP7?I can't not shut down the IE Mobile Totally.
Sorry if i make any mistake in English
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- I don't think WP7 supports subtitles yet. Hopefully it's coming.
- HTC's image quality is considered to be one of the worst, and the HD7 shares this problem.
- There is no multitasking yet. The only way to 'close IE completely' is to close all of the open tabs.
OGCF said:
- I don't think WP7 supports subtitles yet. Hopefully it's coming.
- HTC's image quality is considered to be one of the worst, and the HD7 shares this problem.
- There is no multitasking yet. The only way to 'close IE completely' is to close all of the open tabs.
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like i have a "1280x960" image, sync to my HTC HD7, and the image on the phone look like "600x400" or some crap like that...
ohh the sub thing...
see...my guess is you soft subbed it. You have to hard encode your subs, and they will show up quite nicely. Thing is if you have a subtitle file, you can use any video converter to convert using xbox 360 settings.
However, what I've done with lots of success is
-I have a mkv (like psg episode).
-I convert using anything to psp converter to resize the image and convert it to mp4.
-pull the subtitle track
-hard encode sub
domineus said:
ohh the sub thing...
see...my guess is you soft subbed it. You have to hard encode your subs, and they will show up quite nicely. Thing is if you have a subtitle file, you can use any video converter to convert using xbox 360 settings.
However, what I've done with lots of success is
-I have a mkv (like psg episode).
-I convert using anything to psp converter to resize the image and convert it to mp4.
-pull the subtitle track
-hard encode sub
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How to hard encode the sub? Do you have any suggestion about which software i should use?
I have a video clip, that have already been added sub before, and i don't see any sub on my HD7 too. And Are there any way to extract this sub and hard encode it again?
domineus said:
ohh the sub thing...
see...my guess is you soft subbed it. You have to hard encode your subs, and they will show up quite nicely. Thing is if you have a subtitle file, you can use any video converter to convert using xbox 360 settings.
However, what I've done with lots of success is
-I have a mkv (like psg episode).
-I convert using anything to psp converter to resize the image and convert it to mp4.
-pull the subtitle track
-hard encode sub
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definitely shows embedded subs, I download anime movies that has already subs in it and it displays nicely.
Strike_Eagle said:
like i have a "1280x960" image, sync to my HTC HD7, and the image on the phone look like "600x400" or some crap like that...
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There is a setting in the Sync Settings in Zune that allows you to specify whether you want your pictures to be resized when they are synced to your phone. I believe the default is to resize to fit the phone's screen, but you can override that and ask it to retain the original picture resolution. Although you are probably better off leaving it as reducing the pic size saves a lot of space on your phone.
Strike_Eagle said:
How to hard encode the sub? Do you have any suggestion about which software i should use?
I have a video clip, that have already been added sub before, and i don't see any sub on my HD7 too. And Are there any way to extract this sub and hard encode it again?
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Im not pretty sure, but i would say u can use mkvtoolnix for everything regarding mkv files.
I really was into x264/mkv-encoding 2-3 years ago, but kinda cant remember everything.
But mkvtoolnix always was best way to go!
Jim Coleman said:
There is a setting in the Sync Settings in Zune that allows you to specify whether you want your pictures to be resized when they are synced to your phone. I believe the default is to resize to fit the phone's screen, but you can override that and ask it to retain the original picture resolution. Although you are probably better off leaving it as reducing the pic size saves a lot of space on your phone.
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I have already done that...
Or the screen cannot handle the high resolution image?
@kabumm: thanks, i will it a try.