I would be really, really greatfull if anybody could point me in the direction of any video/audio encoder software for a pc that I will convert a DVD to MP4 that will play on the HD2 with out BLOODY LIP SYNC issues??? (I don’t mind paying for it if it works)
I am beginning to wonder if it is possible to play any MP4 material on the HD2 with out the video/audio sync being out.
I used to own a HD1 and used protection’s great free app for this and the results were very good. Video was a little bit jerky but the lip sync was spot on
The audio is about a second behind when I play those files on the HD2???????, (When playing them on a PC sync is also spot on, so the video is not artificially delayed for the purposes of being in sync for the HD1)
I have tried Videora HTC Converter; trial version of DVD Catalyst 3, Handbrake, and Mp4ForHD and no matter how I set them up the lip sync is always out???
The main reason I upgraded to a HD2 was because of the large screen and fast processor for playing back video but it is worse that the HD1 due to lip sync. (also the video is still not any where near as smooth as the iphone and it has a 1GHz processor!!!!)
I am beginning to get very disappointed in the HD2 and any help would be much appreciated.
(P.S, this is using stock rom and various Cooked roms and the results as the same)
Thanks
Jason
Try this. After encoding there is an ability to synchronisize picture and sound. Most time this toll isn´t needed, because the rips are in high quality. Use the archos7 settings for the rip. And set volume to +2, otherwize it´s much to loud. Brightness has the best results with +6, the sound quality at 7% and the picture at 80%, because more quality let the file grow to more than 1 GB. For Playback use the Leo TCPMP, it´s the best player for these rips.
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Try this. After encoding there is an ability to synchronisize picture and sound. Most time this toll isn´t needed, because the rips are in high quality. Use the archos7 settings for the rip. And set volume to +2, otherwize it´s much to loud. Brightness has the best results with +6, the sound quality at 7% and the picture at 80%, because more quality let the file grow to more than 1 GB. For Playback use the Leo TCPMP, it´s the best player for these rips.
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Cheers for reply Neo XL, will give it a go
I had the same problem, but got good results from: mp4forHD. There is an update/add-on for the HD2 which gives good picture and sound. Easy to use and all the settings are there for you.
Plays back perfectly in the standard HD2 video player.
Search this forum for the link....
this is the answer to your request
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649798
enjoy!
I use Handbrake 0.9.4,
Settings : MP4 , i dont use H.264,
Use FFmpeg, bitrate : 1500Kbps for anime, 2000Kbps for movie/songs.
Plays flawlessly on HD2.
converted 1080p, 720p, DVD, Youtube HD Vids, all to mp4 and plays well on HD2. no problem.
Thanks for all the answers, I have tried them all and I find that the lip sync is still out?
On mp4forHD, I used the HD2 profile and the sync was still way out.
I found that Handbrake 0.9.4, was the best using MP4, instead of H.264 but it is still not perfect.
I am playing the material using both WMP and HTC player. What I am doing wrong?
The HD2 is a bit if a disappointment to me in the video play back department considering its spec it promised so much.
I already used protections Video encoding GUI for my HD1 and don’t recall any lip sync issues on that device.
hi all,
3/4 of synchronization problems come from encoding when it is done with a variable rate codec VBR, for greater compatibility, it is recommended to use a fixed rate compression call CBR when encoding audio
Ok, but what I don’t understand is why files that are perfectly in sync when played on a pc and on the HD1 are out of sync when played on the HD2???
It’s as if the only way to get them in sync is to artificially delay the video when encoding...
I could sort of understand it more if it was the other way round as video generally takes longer to process than audio, but why should the audio be around 0.5 to 1 second delayed??? Don’t make sense to me.
Another thing I have noticed is that videos plays a lot smother when using WMP than using the HTC player, which is a shame as the HTC player is nicer to use in my opinion. The disappointing thing is I really didn’t expect any juddering of video on the HD2 after using the HD1 considering that it has a 1ghz processor which is FOUR times fast than the HD1, and I certainly wasn’t expecting this annoying lip sync issue.
People I know with iphones just laugh when I show them the never 100% smooth and, at best, slightly out of sync video performance on the HD2. The only thing they are jealous of is the bigger screen, which rumours say the next iphone will address.
Oh well, I suppose you have to put it down to the HD2’s main handicap, Windows Mobile. Hope version WM7 is better (if we can even use it on our HD2’s) sorry rambling onto a completely new subject now.
Never really had any massive problems with Handbrake. Ripped Top Gun and it was perfectly in sync for the entire movie.
If anyone here thinks the movies aren't desynced, look again. You might have just missed it the first time because the effect is subtle.
CBR, ABR, VBR, 3 different AAC codecs, 2 different MP3 codecs, even tried encoding the video differently. Every single time the sync was perfect on every device, computer, etc EXCEPT THE HD2.
There MUST be a way to fix this-- what's happening is that the audio is delayed slightly. To account for this, I'm currently purposefully encoding the audio at about 1/5 of a second in so that it accounts for the ~200-250ms desync (which is present in every video...including the stock ROM's Transformers movies!). This works but the file can't be played on any other system or computer of course because the file will be off by that 1/5 or 1/4 second.
Tried stock and 4 other ROMs. All exactly the same. I tried not to keep a single setting in common--fresh hard reset, etc. It's always there, and people have been complaining about it. Some people just don't notice 1/5 or 1/4 second delays. XD Or you think it's normal for the mouths to move a bit before the talking can be heard.
Surely a setting? Maybe it's something BSB tweaks can address? Somebody must know _something_, and the whole community would like to know what it is and how to fix our $450-700 de-synced movie players (HD2).
i use imTOO ultimate video converter. converted Spiderman, great quality and great sound. 10/10. file size was about 1.2gb. around the same size of transformers that it came with. but it looks the same
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If anyone here thinks the movies aren't desynced, look again. You might have just missed it the first time because the effect is subtle.
CBR, ABR, VBR, 3 different AAC codecs, 2 different MP3 codecs, even tried encoding the video differently. Every single time the sync was perfect on every device, computer, etc EXCEPT THE HD2.
There MUST be a way to fix this-- what's happening is that the audio is delayed slightly. To account for this, I'm currently purposefully encoding the audio at about 1/5 of a second in so that it accounts for the ~200-250ms desync (which is present in every video...including the stock ROM's Transformers movies!). This works but the file can't be played on any other system or computer of course because the file will be off by that 1/5 or 1/4 second.
Tried stock and 4 other ROMs. All exactly the same. I tried not to keep a single setting in common--fresh hard reset, etc. It's always there, and people have been complaining about it. Some people just don't notice 1/5 or 1/4 second delays. XD Or you think it's normal for the mouths to move a bit before the talking can be heard.
Surely a setting? Maybe it's something BSB tweaks can address? Somebody must know _something_, and the whole community would like to know what it is and how to fix our $450-700 de-synced movie players (HD2).
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What programs can you use that will create an audio delay?
Hi,
I have found audio sync (amongst other) issues with all the free products noted on XDA that i've tried. Another issue I also noticed was the complicated configuration recommendations from people. Whilst helpful, it was fruitless as all the output was still desynced (and some products couldn't even output 800x480). I downloaded a demo of SPB Mobile DVD and with a couple of clicks I can convert stored video files and DVD's with perfect sync to quality 800x480 xvid or WMV ro watch on either media player or the HTC player. I also found that the DivX Player provides options for audio sync so if you want to use one of the free products which doesn't sync you can align the audio when you watch it on your HD2.
cMMY69 said:
Hi,
I have found audio sync (amongst other) issues with all the free products noted on XDA that i've tried. Another issue I also noticed was the complicated configuration recommendations from people. Whilst helpful, it was fruitless as all the output was still desynced (and some products couldn't even output 800x480). I downloaded a demo of SPB Mobile DVD and with a couple of clicks I can convert stored video files and DVD's with perfect sync to quality 800x480 xvid or WMV ro watch on either media player or the HTC player. I also found that the DivX Player provides options for audio sync so if you want to use one of the free products which doesn't sync you can align the audio when you watch it on your HD2.
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Sorry, but it's not a software issue at all. The only way "SPB Mobile DVD" or any other conversion program can produce files which play without the audio delay is if these programs ruin the video by delaying in the opposite direction. Yes, there are programs that you can use to introduce a negative delay--ffdshow will do it if you can get directshow to use it. Avisynth has a delayaudio(float) function which accepts negative values.
But none of these workarounds solves the problem of why all audio is delayed on the HD2. Not just videos--Games, etc all have the problem. Coreplayer is a software decoder you can use to set a manual delay decoder-side... but this means you can't use the powersaving video acceleration of the device, and the files don't play back properly (skipped frames, reduced colors, no HE-AAC support, aliasing).
I have tried just about every bit software and settings on this forum and I am unable to get any decent quality in sync results.
Thought I would try SPB Mobile DVD, don’t what I am doing wrong, but I can’t seem to get it to convert from a DVD. It gets al the way to the last screen then just “freezes” and doesn’t start converting. Have tried with a number of DVD’s.
It starts converting ok when I pick a single file to convert, (it for some reason will only let you select one file and not multiple DVD files from this option??) but I don’t want to do that, I want to convert a DVD.
Any Ideas?????
That confirms it. This is not a software issue. The HD2 has an audio/video bug that HTC needs to fix: a 250ms audio delay.
curiousGeorge said:
That confirms it. This is not a software issue. The HD2 has an audio/video bug that HTC needs to fix: a 250ms audio delay.
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Sorry curiousGeorge what confirms it?
I too believe that the HD2 is at fault here as everything I encode via about 15 different pieces of software I have tried play back with perfect sync on the PC and out of sync on the HD2
THIS REALLY IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!
The only saving hope I have of the HD2 video play back capabilities is a clip I downloaded from post 14 of this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628092&page=2
It plays back perfectly in sync and perfectly smooth and the quality is amazing.
I would just LOVE to know how this was encoded and if it is possible to get anything near this from a DVD.
(I tried the program and settings mentioned on the thread and all I got was a load of MPEG4 files that looked rubbish and were out of sync)
With regard to SPB Mobile DVD, I finally got this to work on my pc but the resulting file does not play back with any sound???!!! So I don’t know if it has sync issues or not. It is also CRAP video quality and juggers all over the place.
I am really getting pi**ed off with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DVD Encode
I've found there is no need to encode Dvds specifically for the hd2. I've downloaded films from the net and copied them straight to the sd card. Played them through coreplayer and they play perfectly. Divx play with great quality.
jab1972 said:
Sorry curiousGeorge what confirms it?
I too believe that the HD2 is at fault here as everything I encode via about 15 different pieces of software I have tried play back with perfect sync on the PC and out of sync on the HD2
THIS REALLY IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!
The only saving hope I have of the HD2 video play back capabilities is a clip I downloaded from post 14 of this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628092&page=2
It plays back perfectly in sync and perfectly smooth and the quality is amazing.
I would just LOVE to know how this was encoded and if it is possible to get anything near this from a DVD.
(I tried the program and settings mentioned on the thread and all I got was a load of MPEG4 files that looked rubbish and were out of sync)
With regard to SPB Mobile DVD, I finally got this to work on my pc but the resulting file does not play back with any sound???!!! So I don’t know if it has sync issues or not. It is also CRAP video quality and juggers all over the place.
I am really getting pi**ed off with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because that video was encoded with a audio delayed added. It's a system flaw of the HD2 to play normal in synced video with a slight audio delay. Not really that audible to those who ain't looking for it, but it's there. And unless HTC does something to solve it, posting it in every thread out there isn't gonna change anything but sound irritating.
Do you know how to use the DVD encoding portion of winmenc? That could account for your wrong outputs. Or are the dvds CSS protected? Only non-protected dvds can be decoded direct. If not, you should use an app like DVDShrink to extract and decode those dvds to your pc, then use those source files in winmenc. Those will encode fine.
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Please could someone help or explain.I purchased the orbit II last week,I am still getting used to its power and capabilities.
In the manual it says it can play AAC files.I have downloaded some onto the storage card and the touch flo player hasnt recognised them, nor has the windows media player.
It recognises and plays MP3 files.The aac files are not protected they are ones that I downloaded myself from my own cds.
Also why can I not see photos that I have just taken that are saved to my storage card,in the photo viewer on Touch flo.
Thank you in advance for any help,
Peter
pocketmusic can play aac
Thansk for that,but I was looking to find out what the situation was with the phone rather than get a programme that will do something that the manufacturers are saying the phone should do.
I have noticed that the windows media player does add the tunes to its catalogue but files them under ARTIST "UNKNOWN" (as though the tags arent working).The touch flo or HTC player however doesnt even do this.
Does anybody know of a solution to this other than spending money on a progamme to do something that the phone should do already,
many thanks
Peter15965
It's really wierd. I have the same problem and also had this problem with my previous phone which was an O2 XDA Orbit 1 (i.e. rebranded HTC Artemis).
I'm afraid that I never found a solution that didn't involve third party software. I think the problem is that, although HTC have included the decoder to play AAC and AAC+ files, neither of the built in players seem to be able to read the tags from the m4a container format so, although they can play the contents, they can't incorporate the tracks in a meaningful way into the library (I also saw Windows Media Player putting everything as unknown).
I know it's not what you were hoping to hear, and I'd love for someone to prove me wrong, but right now I think you're stuck with going the third-party route.
If you don't want to spend money then I initially used TCPMP. It doesn't have any library browser built in but I found that by intelligent choice of the directory tree structure I used to store my files (My Music/<Artist>/<Album>/<Tracks>) then I could use the file browser in TCPMP to browse my collection in a fairly convenient manner. I now use Conduits PocketPlayer because that has a fantastic library browser and reads the m4a tags perfectly; the program is pretty resource hungry but for now I'm keeping the faith in the hope that they'll address that at some point in the future (their support is good).
- Julian
Thanks Julian at least I know its a common problem(does 2 handsets constitute common).
I will look into pocketplayer as a solution for the timebeing.I was hoping I wouldnt have to put other apps on that would slow the phone down.
Thanks again
Peter15965
peter15965 said:
Thanks Julian at least I know its a common problem(does 2 handsets constitute common).
I will look into pocketplayer as a solution for the timebeing.I was hoping I wouldnt have to put other apps on that would slow the phone down.
Thanks again
Peter15965
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You're welcome.
In most cases putting other apps on shouldn't slow down the phone. The reason apps can slow down the phone (and/or drain battery) can be because they have a Today plugin which, if not well written or if it needs to keep accessing the network, can slow things down. If an app does have a Today plugin (as PocketPlayer does) then you can often disable it (as you can for PocketPlayer).
The other reason for third party apps to slow down the phone is because Windows Mobile default behaviour when you click the top-right "x" button is to minimise the app (i.e. leave it running in the background) rather than close it down completely. Again, in this case an app that does anything significant when it is running in the background can slow down the phone. Clearly a music player needs to keep running while it is playing music but, once finished, you can make sure it is out of memory completely by selecting Exit from the application's menu.
In short, if you're careful to fully close apps when you don't need them, then you shouldn't slow down your phone at all (except so far as having a music player running in the background, whether built in or third party, will always put a drain on the CPU and make other apps run more slowly while the music is playing).
- Julian
Oops. One big thing I forgot to mention. If you do look at PocketPlayer then don't download the latest version (3.51) from their web site. There is a nasty problem in that build specifically related to playing AAC files on HTC devices that I reported to them and has been fixed in an internal beta for 3.52 which, as the reporter of the bug, I have been given to test. You should email [email protected] and say that you want to use it for AAC on an HTC device and hopefully they (Carrie) will let you try out a beta build with the issue fixed.
The issue by the way is that 3.51 doesn't correctly detect end-of-stream when an AAC track has finished so (a) it doesn't auto-advance to the next track in the playlist because it thinks the current track hasn't finished yet and (b) even worse, if you forget to explicitly turn off your device after you've finished listening then PocketPlayer thinks it is still playing your last track and so the device will not put itself into standby and can drain the battery. The issue is fixed in the latest beta build and as an added bonus it also parses m4a tags natively (in 3.51 you could tag your collection by using an option in PocketPlayer to infer the tags from the filenames used in your folder structure but it now reads the real tags in the latest beta).
There is also one other more obscure problem I'm trying to help them diagnose related to AAC on HTC devices but I've been a bit busy recently so am due to give them some feedback and check status on that today or tomorrow. This may or may not be fixed at this stage, I can probably give more feedback in a couple of days so personally I would hold off until I give you an update. If you definitely want to go ahead with a beta build then I can give you a workaround that works most of the time.
- Julian
Thanks again Julian, a fantastic answer by all accounts.I will hold off until you get an answer back about the problems you mention.
Thanks again for a most comprehensive answer.How will we know when the fix is through?
Peter15965
peter15965 said:
Thanks again Julian, a fantastic answer by all accounts.I will hold off until you get an answer back about the problems you mention.
Thanks again for a most comprehensive answer.How will we know when the fix is through?
Peter15965
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I emailed them this afternoon and got the answer. They've fixed the problem and I'm about to install a new beta to check it's OK. Apparently it was a Windows Mobile bug that they've managed to work around. I'll play with this new update pretty extensively tomorrow so you should get an answer from me in about 24 hours.
- Julian
peter15965 said:
I have downloaded some onto the storage card and the touch flo player hasnt recognised them, nor has the windows media player.
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I found out some interesting thing: Some files are playing correctly but others refuse to work. I think that has to do with the bitrate of the files. All my m4a-files are bought from Apple Music Store. Most times my files are the unprotected ones with higher bitrate, but I have a few files which were protected (unfortunately I must have lost the copy protection somewhere, I'm really sorry for that ). The protected ones were encoded in a lower bitrate. What I found out is, that all my former protected files are played correctly. So maybe Windows Media Player can only handle files up to certain bitrate which obviously should be lower than 256kbps.
Further test: I created a playlist within windows mobile, but the Audio Manager (Touch Flo) wasn't able to read it. I managed that the playlist was recognized by the program, but it couldn't find any files.
So it is possible to play aac files (up to a certain bitrate) and to create playlists in Windows Media Player without any issues (yet). But I couldn't get it working in TouchFlo.
So, ok, I made half the way. Now it's up to you to make it fully functional.
have the same issue, I see the AAC file in the explorer and can play them from there but they are not loaded in the catalogue. anybody any other idea how to make the visible there? is buying pocket player the only solution?
thanks for the help in advance to everybody
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I emailed them this afternoon and got the answer. They've fixed the problem and I'm about to install a new beta to check it's OK. Apparently it was a Windows Mobile bug that they've managed to work around. I'll play with this new update pretty extensively tomorrow so you should get an answer from me in about 24 hours.
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The news isn't as positive as I'd hoped. The latest build has improved the problem (so at least they've identified it and found the right area to make changes) but it hasn't fixed it completely.
The player is still usable with AAC files but there is one glitch. After it's been playing for a while, say about 2 hours, then something seems to get corrupted in the image or via a bug in Windows Mobile itself such that thumbnails of the artwork for the album covers no longer display properly when browsing your music library. With the previous build the device would lock up at this point and require a soft reset so at least they've fixed that problem but there is still some sort of issue unresolved.
The workaround seems to be to just fully exit PocketPlayer every couple of hours and then re-launch it again so it's not too arduous and shouldn't prevent you playing with the trial version (although this partially-fixed beta isn't publicly available so you will need to contact support to see if they'll give it to you and given that it still has a known issue they might just ask you to wait a bit).
I'm obviously still working with them to try and 100% nail this issue.
- Julian
Hi guys,
hopefully will be returning my I-Mate 9502 soon, and the only device I can imagine replacing it with is a Pro.
Are video drivers present? I read a few threads, but can't find a solid answer. Can the Pro at least play VGA video at full framerate? Can it do this through TV-out? I want to be able to play a divX video from my PC without having to convert.
Also, are there any other horiffic bugs/problems that I should know about that will stop me doing basic things?
Cheers,
Mike
I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
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Yes. I am also looking forward to touch pro. Only one thing interests me and hasn't been completely answered even in diamond forum: can anyone test if THE TOUCHSCREEN BUG from devices like tytn II still exist when playing a game that requires continuous stylus on screen (skyforce reloaded for ex, or call of duty 2). i saw some videos on youtube with a guy playing an emulator on the diamond and it was flawless. If that is the case, then I'm clear to buy this puppy.
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I would also like to know answer for that question before purchasing touch pro. I learned from the mistake of buying kaiser without getting familiar to it's bugs before buying it.
Please someone run gxmark on your touch pro and tell me what score do you get! download gxmark here
edit. with kaiser i scored somewhere around 1550. So hopefully its at least that with touch pro.. and much better.
And please, someone with touch pro, run coreplayer benchmark and any D3D benchmark apps and keep us posted. Those numbers would tell us a lot how the device is managing. This would benefit all the users who are considering to swap their kaiser to TP.
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I couldn't get gxmark to work, just got a plain white screen. I'll try something else later and test the video playing if nobody else does but I'm just having dinner right now
@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
Video playing is flawless using Coreplayer, and using the TV-Out cable has absolutely no effect on performance.
I'm not a big believer in benchmarks, but out of interest I ran benchmarks Coreplayer using DirectDraw, GDI, Raw FrameBuffer and QTV Display, just to see whether "QTV display" is still much better - it isn't - they all come out at roughly 140%. So there isn't the same sort of difference that I got when using "QTV Display" on the Kaiser, but the improvement isn't needed anyway (on the Kaiser the same videos would always return benchmarks under 100% unless I used the "QTV Display").
I've tried seven different 700Mb Xvid .avi movies, and they've all work perfectly. No page tearing or stuttering using CorePlayer. Haven't tried TCPMP, but I'm sure it'd work just as well.
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@ukdj78
If its not an issue can you try out this http://www.glbenchmark.com/GLBenchmark_Community_Full_1_02_WM5_CM.cab , you will need to register at www.glbenchmark.com to view the results. Can you post them here please?
Can you also try running this video as well
http://www.glbenchmark.com/videos/GLBenchmarkPro_High.wmv
Thanks.
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Just ran the test, but I have no idea whether the results are any good. They're attached though...
Just tried a selection of video files from my PC in Windows Media Player on the Touch Pro and here are my findings (Video file info determined with GSpot v2.7):
.WMV file: 640x480 29.96fps 1257kps Audio: 44100Hz stereo 64Kps:
It didn't cope too well with it to be honest, sound was ok but the video only appeared to have about half the framerate of what it should be.
.AVI file: DivX 5/6 Codec 640x480 29.97fps 3164kps Audio: PCM 48000Hz 1536kps
Didn't play the video at all - got sound only (probably no video codec on device)
.AVI file: XVid Codex 720x438 29.97fps 1991kps Audio: MP3 44100Hz 128kps
Didn't play video or sound - came up with the message "Windows Media Player cannot play the file."
.MP4 file: 640x480 24fps 1601kps Audio: MP4 48000Hz Unknown kps
Played perfectly - Very smooth and not noticeably different from performance on my PC
.MPG files: Touch Pro does not recognise this format, wanted to try a PAL DVD quality MPEG 2 file
Looks like MP4 is the way to go for video files then
@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
I'll try TCPMP then, used that a lot on my Vario II to play flv files but I originally didn't bother to install it on the touch pro cos I knew it could handle flv files since it had a youtube player built in!
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@sub69
Thanks mate. Its not great, almost identical to the Diamond in 3D performance, maybe the Diamond is a wee bit superior.
Any luck playing the video?
Thanks once again .
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I should declare that I had a few things minimised in the background (ActiveSync, Calendar, Messaging, File Explorer) and push mail was running, so it wasn't exactly a scientific test and I'm sure I could get marginally better results if I could be bothered!
We would expect it to be pretty much identical to the Diamond anyway, wouldn't we?
Video is very jerky if you just try to play it in CorePlayer, but if you run a CorePlayer benchmark on it, it's as smooth as you like. Odd. Much better in WMP, but still jerky.
@sub69 I'm having a little issue with text message notifications, could you do me a quick favour and try this on your touch pro: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418089 If you want me to send you a text message to try it out Private message me with your mobile number and I'll send the word "test" to you!
The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
(just wanted to say this) You guys are the best! So much needed info about this, keep on going!
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@ukdj
Try COrePlayer(which is 20USD) or TPCMP, supports a lot more codecs.
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Don't really wanna pay $20 for testing purposes, sorry and TCPMP doesn't work either - another of the many programs I've found which don't seem to like VGA screens I'm using version 0.72RC1 is there a newer one which might work or is this the latest?
EDIT: just found another cab file for TCPMP on the Athena forum which has a different file name to mine, will give that a try!
2nd EDIT lol: No, that was no good either - it wouldn't even install!
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
Try the one in this post, this is working on the diamond so high probability it will work on the touch pro.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2061081&postcount=1
Cab at the bottom.
mrvanx said:
You could try the TCPMP which was rebuilt using VS2008 (its in the dev and hacking forum i think)??
gimme a sec i'll get the URL...
EDIT: Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
youve probably already tried it but if not, do
EDIT 2: Im getting my Touch Pro soon after i get back from vacation (a week or so) so i will encode some vids into VGA and see how they perform, ive found coreplayer to be great so far with my Hermes so will have a straight comparison using the same files benchmarked both in QVGA and VGA versions on both devices.
Might be worth stating what kinda of formats people are using aswell (XVid/DivX, H261 etc....)
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Thanks,
I found changing the "Normal buffer size" to about 8000 kb improves video playback dramatically of an XVid file. This video was designed for the Tilt however with a 320x240 video size. I'll have to wait and see how it plays something at 640x480.
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The processor scores maybe higher although I doubt having minimized apps would have affected the 3D benchmarks. Since a lot of folks have mentioned that TF3D is smoother on the Pro than on the Diamond wondered if it was some changes to the 3D acceleration or better s/w optimisation of TF3D.
Did you try to play the video using QTv? Any benchmark values for the video from Coreplayer? btw, that video plays on the Kaiser at about 9-10fps.
Thanks again .
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I guess that the smoother TF3D on the Raphael will be because it's a later build (later than any I ever saw in my Diamond ROM's, anyway).
Didn't get a percentage value for that video...I guess that because of the filetype, CorePlayer "benchmarks" it differently? CorePlayer just told me the bitrate and properties of that high-def file when I ran it's benchmark to the end. Again, QTV, DirectDraw, RawFrameBuffer, and GDI all looked pretty much identical to my untrained eye, but this time I didn't have percentage values to confirm that...
Can i play a 700MB 640x480 X-Vid (or wmv,...) file on a touch pro with coreplayer smoothly? or even a 2x700MB movie? (-->means double bitrate)
Sorry if the question is stupid, but i always read no concrete answer. (means YES or NO)
greetings
empi
So ive noticed that there is a new (maybe old) feature on YouTube when i access from my PC for watching vids in high(er) quality...since it is YouTube that is offering this option does anyone know if we will be able to watch Vids in higher quality from our G1's??? they are still very choppy (opinion)
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not sure if you are aware of this, but youtube plays at a higher resolution if you are connected via wifi vs 3g/edge.
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not sure if you are aware of this, but youtube plays at a higher resolution if you are connected via wifi vs 3g/edge.
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ya ive tried and noticed a slight difference but wifi connection is not always available to me...
if you've only noticed a slight difference, then the video you are watching was low quality before it even made it to youtube
The higher quality option within the standard Youtube site utilizes h.264 with AAC.
As far as I know the G1 uses only the old standard .FLV through its built-in player when using WIFI.
When running on EDGE or 3g the G1 Youtube player player connects to the mobile .3gp stream.
The iPhone on the other hand uses the h.264 stream when wifi is connected, or the .3gp stream when in EDGE or 3G coverage (although downloading of the higher quality stream is available through the device with MXtube.
I own the two devices and will be doing a few comparison videos in a week or so. It is interesting that no reviewer has commented on the fact (or what I believe to be a fact) that the Youtube viewer on the iPhone is a lot nicer to use and watch on the whole, despite Google owning Youtube. Really they should have offered the best mobile Youtube experience on the G1.
One GOOD point about the use of .FLV streams is that they load a LOT faster. The same stream in h.264 on my iPhone can take many seconds to buffer - even with my 10mbps broadband connection - where the same clip on the G1 buffers almost instantaneously. I suspect that Youtube throttles their h.264 streams (for reasons best known to themselves) since I have no problem streaming the BBC's lovely h.264 iPlayer streams.
I suspect it is HTC who actually made the Youtube app, and that it will be improved, or even replaced with the Cupcake release.
Another problem which is slightly off topic and will NOT be improved with updates is that the G1's loudspeaker is vastly inferior to the iPhone 3G's (though much better than the pathetic iPhone 2G speaker).
Sound quality for me is very important when I'm watching videos on my device, and as I've swapped and changed between my G1 and iPhone over the past couple of weeks I've found the speaker quality of my G1 to be a source of great irritation being as it is just so tinny. and annoyingly positioned. Despite being only monaural the iPhone 3G's speaker is one of the best out there.
Me and my friend did a comparison, he has iphone and i have g1 obviously. Both of us are in 3g are and his quality blows g1 away. I agree youtube videos looks pretty horrible on g1 with or without 3g. Speaker is definately behind in the iphone wars also. I have noticed that i pick the videos up much faster than iphone but i would wait for quality. Alot of youtube videos are low quality video's however.
maybe someone can impliment a "force &fmt=18 string" at the end of every youtube video link that gets played to force the quality to be good. but of course, you would have to wait for it to load too, so they should make it an option when you press the "menu" button, maybe they could do something in the next custom firmware for root users.
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maybe someone can impliment a "force &fmt=18 string" at the end of every youtube video link that gets played to force the quality to be good. but of course, you would have to wait for it to load too, so they should make it an option when you press the "menu" button, maybe they could do something in the next custom firmware for root users.
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thts actually a great idea as this code provides excellent resolution on PC's, and i wouldnt mind waiting as stated above i would rather have higher quality...
Has anyone compared the video quality when launching videos from the youtube.com website instead of searching for them with the youtube app? I believe the app normally searches m.youtube.com which has videos that are reencoded with a lower quality.
WOOOOO
so keeping in mind the "&fmt=18" code at the end of the actual vid URL i tried this...
1) go to the actual website www.youtube.com (not app)
2) search/click on any vid, it will ask you if you want to use the "youtube app" or "browser", Click browser
3)once the page opens you will see the flashplayer error, hit the menu button and "go to url" add the code "&fmt=18" to the end of the url then copy
4)go to www.keepvid.com and paste in the blue box then click download
5)scroll down and you will see 2 options to download make sure u click the mp4 high quality link...(not the flv link)
6)WAHHLAAAHH enjoy looks 5times better even though takes 5 times longer lol hope this is worth it for some of you
nice find. you can also use the fmt=22 addition to get HD videos from youtube.
on a side note, i was trying to find an easier way to do this and found that if you look it up in the application, you can just use Menu/share to send it to yourself. before you send it, you can add the URL extension of choice and when you get the email and click on it, it will ask youtube or browser. select youtube and it will play, but it seems to drop the added extension. if we could find a way to make it keep it, it would effectivly remove the need to use www.keepvid.com
and the 720p vidoes (if available) do play very well and look AWSOME on the phone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4&fmt=22 (the one i d/l to my phone to test a HD video)
I found a way to not have to d/l the video. just copy the link from www.keepvid.com and put it into the Meridian Video Player from the marketplace. It will stream it no problem, including the HD ones... (does not work with the youtube link and the added extension, but at least you dont have to d/l videos anymore)
If there would be a way to use longclick to have an option to open it in Meridian, you could do this probably from the youtube page even. Or if a similar option would be available from the mail app, then you just send the link and click!
Just to comment, but none of the youtube videos are anywhere close to 720p in resolution. They are indeed pretty good for streaming videos but those are probably about 800x480 or something along the lines of that.
I did some digging on this subject, couldn't really find a definite answer on the subject. I currently own a tilt, and am considering purchasing a fuze, since with the announcement of the tilt 2, they are dropping in price. But my concern is power! You might know, that the Tilt has some video driver issues, as in can't play h.264/mp4's too well, i.e. any video podcasts i download. I'm also hoping to get emulators running smoothly with sound, but thats not too important. So my question is this, is this issue resolved on the Fuze? I noticed a thread stickied discussing touch pro performance, but nothing really says "it's fixed". Saw a few posts saying the drivers are still crap though. Thanks for any help! (and sorry if it's already posted, and i just couldn't find it)
Fixed - no!
Watchable - yes, depending on the files you're starting with of course.
Being VGA (tilt is qvga) everything on the screen looks much better and coreplayer does make most things play quite well.
Basically I have found that you can play any format video on this device very smoothly, AS LONG as it doesnt use the dolby AC3 Codec for audio as coreplayer wont play this and you need to revert to the older, non hardware supporting TCMP. Luckily this means about 5% of my media
im hsving problems with the coreplayer key
HTC Album/full screen player plays .mp4's pretty well. Unfortunately, it has a sucky UI (rather, it doesn't have an interface).
you can use newer version of full screen player and htc album which have better interface controls. i would still spring for core player. plays my divx videos perfectly, full visual framerate and matching audio. much better than divxplayer.
Thanks for the replies you guys! So, just to clarify, if I bought a fuze, and downloaded any random video podcast, which is usually mp4, 640x480, I wouldn't be disappointed?
this is a GREAT piece of software, discovered this a while ago
while I was using the Blackstone (HTC Touch HD).
1. using this :
http://www.magicdvdripper.com/index.htm
rip your desired DVD, rip it to a wmv format
2. then using this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
convert the file. (wvga and everything else use default settings)
place it in your sd card (in say for example a folder named "Films")
just simply open it using file explorer = now
TOTAL HAPPINESS
all credits to its creators
Not quite total happiness. Pay special attention to the video and mouths and such. If you're on a TMOUS phone, you should see 250ms of desync. Might want to mention we should introduce a negative delay of 250ms.
Seriously, someone has to have a fix for this glaring problem of the HD2!
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Not quite total happiness. Pay special attention to the video and mouths and such. If you're on a TMOUS phone, you should see 250ms of desync. Might want to mention we should introduce a negative delay of 250ms.
Seriously, someone has to have a fix for this glaring problem of the HD2!
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Hi, I found that SPB Mobile DVD ripped video without any apparent audio sync issues. The product isn't free though (just a free demo).
Why would anyone encode to a proprietary format like WMV? At least do H.264/MP4 which will provide with much better quality and smaller size. And there are plenty of free encoders on the net.
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Hi, I found that SPB Mobile DVD ripped video without any apparent audio sync issues. The product isn't free though (just a free demo).
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I don't think it's possible to avoid the 250ms skew with a general purpose encoding program. I don't think it's encoder-side at all--the TMOUS HD2 produces this audio skew (lip sync problem) on ALL audio it plays, from games to the stock Transformers videos.
I suggest you reexamine your video and see if you can't spot it--it's subtle, and you might not have seen it there before. I'm sure it's not a settings issue for me--if all programs, games, and videos (every video I put on here, some of which I didn't convert, some of which I play with Coreplayer, etc) all have the issue...and accross multiple ROMs, and other TMOUS customers have the same, it's a problem with the HD2. I suspect drivers.
what about mp4forhd?
it converts your dvd's directly from dvd to mp4...
DN41
DN41 said:
what about mp4forhd?
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Thanks for pointing out, m8. Will definitely try this app.
Olioaglio
DN41 said:
what about mp4forhd?
it converts your dvd's directly from dvd to mp4...
DN41
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I doubt any "converter" can fix the problem with our HD2's. All audio on the HD2 is 250ms delayed.