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difference between smartphone and PPC software tat i don understand..

Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?

I was just about to answer you, but then I go to the last line of your message.
We do not deal with WAREZ and craks here.

and
sthg about software tat i don understand..
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is something that I don't understand

ok, prehaps i shouldn't ask it tat way... actually the main thg is i just wanna know if there is any possiblity tat we can use PPC softwares on Window mobile based smartphone?

That would depend on the software and the device.
Some will run, some you won't be able to use without touch screen and some will need extra components.

you can try...it's all winCE...
I know some of my old smartphone software works o.k. on my PPC, but PPC is like smartphone's bigger brother: with extras (touchscreen, others, etc.)
The screen is broke on my smartphone now but I seem to remember installing some stuff meant for PPC on there back in the day with varying results. I think some did work, but not a lot worked nicely.
AFAIK you need to port, change a few things (like have no touchscreen input) for a reliable result.

it being winCE is not always enough
binary files are spc for the cpu they were compiled for
but if they have the same cpu and the same libs
it would work
another matter is .net and java they are not written for a spc cpu but for the framework

http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html

Rudegar said:
http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html
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Excellent article. Note that, however, it states all PPC apps run on a Smartphone w/ SPHelper ("Does this mean that they will run the same software? / Yes and no. All Windows Mobile devices (Smartphone, PPC, PPC phone edition, etc) can run the same actual executable code (.exe files) as long as it has been written for a Windows Mobile device. However if you actually try to install PPC software on a Smartphone (or vice versa) using Activesync, you might get an error message stating the device is incorrect and it will refuse to do anything."). This is, however, not really the case. See my related articles and hacking reports - in the articles I've posted in the last 2 weeks, I've posted a LOT of info on interoperability issues.
As a rule of thumb, about 10% of native (NON-Compact Framework-based) PPC programs can be hacked to work on a QVGA Smartphone. On a 176*220 one, even fewer.

bjy8138 said:
Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?
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Make sure you don't miss ANY of my articles. They are ALL in this very "General" forum.
I've published a LOT of information on these subjects, listing all the compatible software and how they can be hacked.

there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back

Rudegar said:
there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back
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Yup, that's a problem.
I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.

off topic
I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.
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something like that'd be good, I think we all appreciate informative articles and in-depth tests ...thanks!

Just wondering about CE 6.0

I was just wondering, is it possible to use the OS files from the CE 6.0 trial release and use it on the wizard? Probably a stupid question to ask though...
If it is possible, I have the CE 6.0 trial for someone to port though I'm guessing many of you already have this.
Thanks

ehhhh, you are not alone in matter...
some system files form winCE are useable in general , but nothing crucial, just some apps...
in other words i am curious too...

do you have C.E 6 or do you want me to give it to you? that is if you want to work on it of course
also, can you give me examples? would it mostly be the stuff that comes default in the SYS folder if you use the package tool on the rom?(games, remote desktop, windows update,etc.)
thanks

ND4SPD said:
do you have C.E 6 or do you want me to give it to you? that is if you want to work on it of course
also, can you give me examples? would it mostly be the stuff that comes default in the SYS folder if you use the package tool on the rom?(games, remote desktop, windows update,etc.)
thanks
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Post it someplace. I'd like to dump it out and take a look at it. Not sure I have time to really convert it right now but I"M sure someone might...

here is the link: ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]\Upload\C.E. 6.zip
link is working now
the only thing is, it isn't in the format you might expect. Or maybe it is. You will need VC++ on your computer and .NET framework 2.0. I don't know VC++ so I haven't even tried messing with it yet. That could change in a little while though.
just for good measure, i threw in the ce 6.0 platform builder sp1. please tell me if you need any other resources.
good luck!

Keyboard evolution

Guys it's just me or it is a fact that the progress of windows mobile is really slow?
I mean there are several versions of windows mobile, 6.0 got our before 5.0 was even running well enough (not to mention several bugs in 5.0 that were barely fixed) and I wonder: wouldn't it be better to stick to an OS version for a longer period of time and make it run really good?
I won't go into a debate mac vs pc or anything of this kind, but isn't the standard windows mobile interface a bit boring? I like the iPhone for the innovative interface and design only, or another model I've seen m8 from meizu.
Something should change, not just a fancy gradient in the titlebar and the menubar!!!!!
I have a problem with the keyboards too. The MS sip is the same since 2002 pocket pcs!!! And that is really a lot of time of using the same cra.ppy system, and forgive me for overreacting but I think entering texts is a main concern, we all use these devices mainly as communicators or for various information storage that needs to be edited, moved from a location to another an all these actions require user input...
I know there are lots of experienced users on this forum, so this is a call to all of them , I need their suggestions in what would be the best choice for a text-input software for Pocket PCs?
I was using the SPB keyboard for about 2 years now I really like it, it's just that it covers all my text (yeah, I know it's fulscreen ), and I would like to try some similar variants: concern #1 : it must have big keys or it's useless to me.
Thanks for your time, everyone!

I'm using ZTA4 SIP, it's mainly for Chinese input but also can be used for English typing.
Cheers,
Vibranze

thanks, any link for that?

xda-addict said:
Guys it's just me or it is a fact that the progress of windows mobile is really slow?
I mean there are several versions of windows mobile, 6.0 got our before 5.0 was even running well enough (not to mention several bugs in 5.0 that were barely fixed) and I wonder: wouldn't it be better to stick to an OS version for a longer period of time and make it run really good?
I won't go into a debate mac vs pc or anything of this kind, but isn't the standard windows mobile interface a bit boring? I like the iPhone for the innovative interface and design only, or another model I've seen m8 from meizu.
Something should change, not just a fancy gradient in the titlebar and the menubar!!!!!
I have a problem with the keyboards too. The MS sip is the same since 2002 pocket pcs!!! And that is really a lot of time of using the same cra.ppy system, and forgive me for overreacting but I think entering texts is a main concern, we all use these devices mainly as communicators or for various information storage that needs to be edited, moved from a location to another an all these actions require user input...
I know there are lots of experienced users on this forum, so this is a call to all of them , I need their suggestions in what would be the best choice for a text-input software for Pocket PCs?
I was using the SPB keyboard for about 2 years now I really like it, it's just that it covers all my text (yeah, I know it's fulscreen ), and I would like to try some similar variants: concern #1 : it must have big keys or it's useless to me.
Thanks for your time, everyone!
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Try the skinnable Resco keyboard, several options available. See screenshot and download link below.

xda-addict said:
thanks, any link for that?
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I attached here, try it yourself
Instead of choosing the unknown chinese character, you can choose Abc so you will be able to type in English.
Cheers,
Vibranze

hotdog53 said:
Try the skinnable Resco keyboard, several options available. See screenshot and download link below.
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Something happened to screen shot. Here's another one.

hotdog53 said:
Something happened to screen shot. Here's another one.
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Thanks for the post!
Unfortunatelly Resco has too small keys, almost like the default SIP, I can't use it
vibranze I'm gonna try it asap!

vibranze said:
I attached here, try it yourself
Instead of choosing the unknown chinese character, you can choose Abc so you will be able to type in English.
Cheers,
Vibranze
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Vibranze thanks for the efforts but the ZTA4 SIP DOESN'T WORK ON MY DEVICE.
I have attached a screenshot, it loads, but it is unusable. Still it seems to have pretty small keys, but I'm not sure as it doesn't load properly, what could I do?

wow Guys, check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322441
now this is a keyboard!

xda-addict said:
Vibranze thanks for the efforts but the ZTA4 SIP DOESN'T WORK ON MY DEVICE.
I have attached a screenshot, it loads, but it is unusable. Still it seems to have pretty small keys, but I'm not sure as it doesn't load properly, what could I do?
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Hi,
Attached is the screenshot taken from my device. Altough it's a bit small but if you use stylus it's far far better than the normal keyboard, and some more it's also support keypad typing
Cheers,
Vibranze

Where can I get plain vanilla WM6 with no customisations?

I have tried all flavours of custom cooked WM6 and each and everyone of them had some pieces broken which were essential to me. Right now I'm using XDA Mobile 6 Release 3 which does everything I need but has bug with with Bluetooth pairing.
So I just want plain vanilla WM6 with all pieces working and then I'll install all customisations myself.
Is such ROM available?

artisticcheese said:
I have tried all flavours of custom cooked WM6 and each and everyone of them had some pieces broken which were essential to me. Right now I'm using XDA Mobile 6 Release 3 which does everything I need but has bug with with Bluetooth pairing.
So I just want plain vanilla WM6 with all pieces working and then I'll install all customisations myself.
Is such ROM available?
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All you need to do is download one of the kitchens (theloons 7.2 in quite nice) and build what you want. That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby

rkwhyte2 said:
That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby
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Same here. Mine is pretty basic with only a few applications that I can't live without. I couldn't be happier.

Certainly cook your own rom would bring happiness!
If you are tired or even don't know how to do it properly, try TNT Vanilla 1921. You later have to include what you want! That's simple!

epimazzo said:
Certainly cook your own rom would bring happiness!
If you are tired or even don't know how to do it properly, try TNT Vanilla 1921. You later have to include what you want! That's simple!
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Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.

rkwhyte2 said:
All you need to do is download one of the kitchens (theloons 7.2 in quite nice) and build what you want. That's what I have done and I couldn't be happier.
Kirby
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Where can I download it? I searched forum for "TheLoon Kitchen 7.2" but can not find anything

Have a look on Zoki version of Vanilla. It already comes with Office and many others plain apps.
artisticcheese said:
Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.
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Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159
artisticcheese said:
Where can I download it? I searched forum for "TheLoon Kitchen 7.2" but can not find anything
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epimazzo said:
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159
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I build my ROM using that utility and now at nb2nbf screen and have no idea what am I supposed to do now? I asks me for ModelID, NB file, start address, image name etc.

artisticcheese said:
Will this include standard MS applications? I noticed it's missing Office and camera etc. I meant by vanilla - just plain install with no customisation, not stripped to barebones version.
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I'm in the same boat and am trying to learn how to cook my own.
I just want a standard WM6 with all the standard Microsoft apps (nothing removed) and standard HTC apps like the camera, phonepad, etc., but no 3rd party apps, no custom artsy splash screens with peoples screennames on it, and no junk in the About screens like "Windows Mobile 6 FuNKY K00l Edition, fo shizzle!". Basically, I want something that appears to be an official release that only someone with extensive knowledge of the device would know it wasn't factory installed.

You probably missed something important during your flashing process. Didn't get your point exactly but I suggest you to turn around and learn a bit before you start cooking!
If you do anything wrong you would get your device bricked with no way to be back ok?
I can help you out but if I were you, I 'd read a little to get some knowledge. After, we can have a talk...
The kitchen is easy and simple. I used many times since earlier versions. 7.2 is great and running fine. You can also use Hypercore from Anichillus. Read the built in tutorial first!
Good luck!
artisticcheese said:
I build my ROM using that utility and now at nb2nbf screen and have no idea what am I supposed to do now? I asks me for ModelID, NB file, start address, image name etc.
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GnatGoSplat said:
I'm in the same boat and am trying to learn how to cook my own.
I just want a standard WM6 with all the standard Microsoft apps (nothing removed) and standard HTC apps like the camera, phonepad, etc., but no 3rd party apps, no custom artsy splash screens with peoples screennames on it, and no junk in the About screens like "Windows Mobile 6 FuNKY K00l Edition, fo shizzle!". Basically, I want something that appears to be an official release that only someone with extensive knowledge of the device would know it wasn't factory installed.
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Hey ! guys
Why don't both of you get the official wm6 vanilla Base Rom release by the Microsoft,well,just hook up to their site and request for a download,they wud be more then pleased to offer you one,LOL cuz only that wud serve your purpose !!
come on guys ! you know that no one has the original wm6 vanilla base Rom released by Microsoft,except the manufacturer's,vendors and carriers only as per the contracts by them,so they all customize the Roms according to their preferences.
All the wm6 base Roms which are floating around on the net are mostly ported from these customized official (stock) Roms of these manufacturers,vendors and carriers.The vanilla Rom provided by the cookers here are the closest to the original,but will certainly have some customizations in them,therefore,what ever you can get will have customizations,so it's upto you to remove all those customizations and addon whatever your needs are.
cheers

zabardast_1 said:
All the wm6 base Roms which are floating around on the net are mostly ported from these customized official (stock) Roms of these manufacturers,vendors and carriers.The vanilla Rom provided by the cookers here are the closest to the original,but will certainly have some customizations in them,therefore,what ever you can get will have customizations,so it's upto you to remove all those customizations and addon whatever your needs are.
cheers
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But of course! Precisely why I am cooking my own. So far so good, it looks as OEM as can be. Only a few bugs left to work out... missing Comm Manager and I think there are a few Microsoft standard WM6 apps that were missing from the vanilla ROM I started with so I'll have to find those and add them. I also need to do a few registry tweaks here and there to set defaults. It's a fun learning experience.

Visual Basic for Windows Mobile ?

is it possible to use VB.NET to make simple applications for windows mobile (5/6 ?) devices ?
I'm pretty good with VB and I recently got into VB.NET and I'd love to make simple applications for my XDA Flame !
if it's possible, are there tutorials explaining the basic/ difference from making a desktop application ?
thanks !

shodanx said:
is it possible to use VB.NET to make simple applications for windows mobile (5/6 ?) devices ?
I'm pretty good with VB and I recently got into VB.NET and I'd love to make simple applications for my XDA Flame !
if it's possible, are there tutorials explaining the basic/ difference from making a desktop application ?
thanks !
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i never tried .NET 03, but i have 2005 installed and use it regularly. Just create a new project and under Smart Device choose your OS. If you're already familiar with VB6 and VB2005 then it should be a cinch. You can find some guides here http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsmobile/default.aspx.

Hi,
thanks for the quick answer
I have visual basic 2008 express edition
can this version make WM5 apps ? or do I need the full version ? (I have the full 2005 but I prefer this version because it's "lighter")

shodanx said:
Hi,
thanks for the quick answer
I have visual basic 2008 express edition
can this version make WM5 apps ? or do I need the full version ? (I have the full 2005 but I prefer this version because it's "lighter")
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Wow i guess I'm behind, i thought 2008 was still in beta. I'm downloading it now and I'll know for sure in about 20 mins. I'm not sure exactly what they cut out in the express editions.

imo u cannot with the express edition, u require pro edition.

shaileshashar said:
imo u cannot with the express edition, u require pro edition.
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Seems like you're right...

shodanx said:
Hi,
thanks for the quick answer
I have visual basic 2008 express edition
can this version make WM5 apps ? or do I need the full version ? (I have the full 2005 but I prefer this version because it's "lighter")
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Well, yes and no.
It doesn't allow you to make WM apps, however the compiler CAN produce WM apps.
This mean that you can use your "express" environment to produce a standard application, taking care that the form has the correct size for your PDA, and then you can try compiling it specifing the .NET libraries on your device instead the regular ones.
If the code you produced doesn't use any feature strictly related to the regular .NET Framework version, it will compile.
Take a look here:
http://www.jargoncode.it/tips/netcfcompile-eng.htm
Still, remember that this will make programming more difficult and that you cannot benefit of debugging features and so on. If your needings are simple, this solution may be good. If your needings are complex, then I suggest using "non express" versions of Visual Studio.