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Windows Mobile on a Blackberry?

Is it possible to flash a Blackberry and change its crappy OS for a nice Windows Mobile ROM? I mean, the Blackberry Bold is a great piece of hardware and it could be a great device if it would be possible to run Windows Mobile on it.
Any brilliant ROM cooker from XDA tried this already or thinking about trying it?
Thank you.

No, it's about impossible to do that. If WinMo were open source, maybe, but it's so complicated and device specific that you would have to make the bootloader and many other complex and low level portions of the OS from scratch. I've never ever heard of anyone porting Windows Mobile to an existing device that didn't come with it. Sorry, but it looks like you're stuck with Blackberry's OS.

And what about Android, or Maemo? There was a rumor about Android for BB...

hgrimberg said:
And what about Android, or Maemo? There was a rumor about Android for BB...
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Hypothetically it would be possible, but you'd need a large enough demand for the devs to get involved. First, they'd need to reverse engineer the device as to know what internal hardware it uses and if that can be compatible with Android/Maemo. Then, they'd need to modify the kernel to support the device. All the while, they'd need a Linux bootloader, like HaRET for Windows Mobile, so they could test and make adjustments accordingly.

Thank you Dave. Hard to believe nobody did it already...
And by the way, would you prefer a Nokia N900 with Maemo over a Tilt 2 with WinMo 6.5?
Maybe Maemo is more stable...

hgrimberg said:
Thank you Dave. Hard to believe nobody did it already...
And by the way, would you prefer a Nokia N900 with Maemo over a Tilt 2 with WinMo 6.5?
Maybe Maemo is more stable...
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While Maemo looks very promising, and I'd love to one day get my hands on something comprable (maybe N900, or even xpPhone), I'm a pretty hardcore Windows Mobile fan. Plus, XDA-Developers is great, so I'd probably pick the Tilt2 simply because I like hacking these devices to their very limits, an area where Windows Mobile never fails me. However, I'd say that a person's smartphone preferences are extremely personal, so what may work for me may be disappointing to others. If you can play around with either in a store, I'd highly recommend doing so before purchasing either device.

After having 2 phones with Windows Mobile, I ended up with the conclusion that WM is very unstable, very slow and it crashes too much. Sometimes you don't get a call simply because the system crashed without you noticing. Maybe the processor has to be like 1000 MHZ+ to handle this very heavy OS.
I would suggest you to wait for the Omnia Pro with the sliding keyboard that comes with a 800 mhz processor instead of Tilt 2 with a 528 mhz which is a bit old now.
Maemo seems like a more stable OS and it can also handle VOIP. The only 2 OS that have a native skype client are the WM phones and the Nokia N series like the N900 with Maemo.

hgrimberg said:
The only 2 OS that have a native skype client are the WM phones and the Nokia N series like the N900 with Maemo.
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... and the iPhone....

Menneisyys said:
... and the iPhone....
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No, the iphone has a native skype client that only works over wifi, not over 3G, so its worthless. You can use skype over 3G only if you use Fring.

hgrimberg said:
No, the iphone has a native skype client that only works over wifi, not over 3G, so its worthless. You can use skype over 3G only if you use Fring.
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It's working just great with 3G Unrestrictor. I always conduct a lot of Skype calls over 3G.
All you need is jailbreak your phone and purchase 3G Unrestrictor.

Menneisyys said:
It's working just great with 3G Unrestrictor. I always conduct a lot of Skype calls over 3G.
All you need is jailbreak your phone and purchase 3G Unrestrictor.
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Is there a way to do the same with a Blackberry Bold and make skype possible over 3G as a VOIP call?

WM 7?

Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!

tiwas said:
Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!
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October to November is currently the best guess.
Recent rumours are suggesting that there may be two different versions of WM7, a stripped down "Business" version and a richer "Media" one, with Business being out Q4 this year, and Media not till next year.

if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.

Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.

cerebralgenius said:
Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.
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IF the rumours are true, it'll be a blow for existing software BUT, a good step for Microsof to take. I mean, have you seen the Zune HD's UI? WM7 is meant to be using that, and if so, iPhone is in trouble.

well if it runs .net then at least some apps would work

There is even newer rumor or supposedly unofficial response from microsoft, about this CE rumor. Ant it states, that Wm 7 bill be using CE7. And CE7 was already offcialy announced as to it will be using ARMv6 arhitecture.
And there is a Microsoft Commercial, where you can see some WM7-style thing beeing run on HTC touch Pro, and Xperia X1. So ported it will be, but how fast will it work on such devices, having only MSM7200.

FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.

RAMMANN said:
if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.
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6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.

read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
there's only 1 choice left for us: 100% stable android rom.

Shasarak said:
6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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Yeah, I reeeeeally don't think there will be an official WM7 rom for my Fuze, but I'm hoping the chefs here will be able to make a stripped down version.

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.

malatesta said:
It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.
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Until MS officially announce something, everything we hear about WM7 is going to be rumour; and one rumour can't refute another because they're both just that, rumours.
We'll have to see if they drop any more info in Feb.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device.
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Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-windows-mobile-7/

Win_XP said:
I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.
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RAMMANN said:
Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course
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Yes, but every version of Windows Mobile from 5.0 onwards has been based on the same Windows CE kernel; that's one reason why other OSes (like Android) run so much faster than WinMo on the same hardware, and permit 720p video recording, etc. - a lot of the underlying code in WinMo hasn't been upgraded in six years.
To put it in desktop PC terms, going from Windows Mobile 5.0 all the way up to WinMo 6.5 is the equivalent of going from Windows 95 to Windows ME - it's still basically the same OS, just with a few tweaks to the UI. By contrast, going to WM7 will be like going from Windows ME to Windows Vista - a completely different operating system kernel, with a completely different driver model.
The drivers will be the biggest problem. Unless there is some device out there that officially runs WM7 and which uses exactly the same component as one on your target platform, there simply won't be anywhere you can get a driver file from; and even if such a thing exists, piecing together complete support for every component of a device by picking and choosing driver files from many different platforms would be an enormous effort.
There is a reasonable chance that we will see WM7 running on the HD2, even if there isn't an official release; that's because HTC is apparently using the HD2 as a WM7 development platform, so if someone leaks the ROM they use for testing, the cooks here could probably cobble together something reasonable using it as a basis. But for any other device, realistically there is no chance at all.

Look Here
Its CE 7.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618631

odd would be the first time ever ms made a wm release based on a ce core not available already and tested for stability

Windows Mobile 7?

Hi out there
I have used Justhome WM6,5 for some time, but im very jalous of Windows Mobile 7
Is there someone in this forum who is trying to make a windows mobile 7 rom?
Please!
/NielsenArt

jaja... funny... not men...
there are only demos and have nothing else to microsoft

Unfortunately, this will never happen.
The core OS in WM5, WM6 and WM6.x is almost identical, but not so in WM7. It will not be possible to port WM7 as you would need drivers and a kernel compatible with it. To make matters worse, the hardware requirements for WM7 are way above and beyond the hardware that the Herald/Wing has. Like the difference between Win98 and WinVista when it comes to system requirements.

WM7 is a big name. It has lots of concepts and ideas. Some versions of wm7 will work on the wing/herald. They will never be release though,lol. However, Windows Phone 7 will not work Which is what you were probably referring to.

LG Fathom to WP7 ?

Hey all,
I know this is another one of those "can my phone handle WP7" threads that we all HATE to see but, My TP2 broke and Asurion is offering me a LG Fathom. After looking over the specs, I am wondering why it would not be capable of running Windows Phone 7.
It's got a smaller display but, it does have 1ghz snapdragon processor and very compareable to a HD2 (accept a lot smaller), it's newer than the HD2 and from the factory come with 6.5.3.
Has anyone attemped or thought at putting Windows Phone 7 on it ?
In case anyone has a broken TP2 and has the Insurance, they have no more...

We have one of these lying around in the shop as well, and would be nice to have as a WP7 development device. Anyone have any thoughts on the porting?

screen it is not multitouch, disregarding processor capabilities...
Regards!

Could an android device have wp7 ported over to it?

nicromant said:
screen it is not multitouch, disregarding processor capabilities...
Regards!
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That spells it out clearly. Bummer.

AZNSNSAZN said:
Could an android device have wp7 ported over to it?
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In theory it should not be a problem if the device in question has a WVGA screen, Snapgragon chipset and 512 or more MB of RAM. In practice you will need a compatible bootloader and so far only the HD2 has one....created for the occasion.
On the HD2 it's done the following way:
1. The original bootloader is hacked, so you can flash any unsigned stuff you may desire.
2. A second bootloader is flashed that goes in the chain after the original hacked bootloader.
3. For WinMobile 6.5 you use the original bootloader. Android and Windows Phone 7 are flashed and booted by the second bootloader, which is a completely custom creation.
You will need something like MAGLDR on the HD2 for any device in order to get a second OS running as the original bootloader will probably not support the needed partition layouts etc. Other than that every Desire, Nexus One or similar device should be perfectly capable of running WP7.

Windows Phone 7.5 Mango On Compatible Android Phone Hardware ??

Hi, I have seen many android phones with a decent specs that look much better than WP7 phone currently on the market.
WP7 Phones mostly use almost out dated hardware of android phones. Example, new Nokia Lumia 900 use Snapdragon 1.4ghz single core and Adreno 205 which are mostly found in last year android phones.
so if the same hardware found in android phones, is there any custom WP7/WP7.5 ROM for similar Android Phones's hardware ?
any "strong" dev can port it ?

2 questions.
there are skins that allow your android device to look like wp7. why not try that?
since wp7 runs perfectly well on single core wvga resolution so why not get a proper wp?
if i'm not wrong, wp7 is not designed to work with dual core, and anything higher than wvga resolution so it isn't that easy. also, people who like the look and feel of wp7 would tend to do my first point, while those who really want the functionality of wp7 would just get a wp, so the market isn't that big.
i could be wrong though

Illeagality
tangbunna said:
so if the same hardware found in android phones, is there any custom WP7/WP7.5 ROM for similar Android Phones's hardware ?
any "strong" dev can port it ?
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Whilst it is true that nearly any developer could port it seeing how close some windows phone 7 and android phones are in terms of hardware. Take the desire s and the radar for example.
However windows phone 7 is not an open source operating system like android. Effectively it is the same a a standard desktop version of windows in terms of the legality of installing it. You need to buy a license and the only way to do this is buy a phone with it pre installed. This license is also non transferable. Also Microsoft record a hardware ID for each phone they license wp7 to run on and this ID is required to use features such as the app store and xbox live. Whilst you could port it you wouldn't be able to use 90% of the features not due to incompatibility but due to the fact that the Microsoft servers wouldn't let you.
Also are you aware that by asking someone to port it you are violating the forum rules with regard to piracy?

Wp 7.5 rom is available for htc hd2 (leo)
Sent from my Legend using xda premium

Surprising
girish07 said:
Wp 7.5 rom is available for htc hd2 (leo)
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That's rather surprising, but probably only possible because the hardware of the HD2 is *very* close to the hardware of some "true" WP7 phones, especially display resolution.
Display is important because WP7 so far is strongly resolution dependent - it simply won't run with anything else than 800 x 480. Maybe with the right drivers the OS itself would run, but countless apps would probably produce nonsense with another resolution.

im gona try this found that some devices like lumia 610 / 510 / and samsung galaxy s duos have almost same specifications but problem is that androids have less gpu and wont do with windows phone but it would be alot more faster if we do that