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Repair Manuals for G1 and Sapphire!!

Just thought someone might find these useful. Might this help with the bricks? Dl the pdf's from here...
http://www.mikechannon.net/page1.html

Nice Post!

I really like something from page 90...
"(1) Try to cold boot the unit then tries again" Almost like they expect failure...

thank you might need this for the future

Anyone have these? The original link is down.

looks like HTC asked that they be pulled

damn they found it really fast!

There is still 1 copy of the service manual on this site...ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

can someone upload it somewhere else?
It can always be useful

ngtfr said:
can someone upload it somewhere else?
It can always be useful
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I agree.. the link no longer has the manuals..

http://www.mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/

u rock
antiregister11 said:
http://www.mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/
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That was much needed... time to open it up for inspection.
PS: If anything has got screws... it needs to be opened

Oh wow. How did I miss this when it was first posted. This will surely be helpful when changing out that glass whenever I get around to ordering it. I found it dirt cheep, but was a little hesitant for fear of doing more damage than good. This is exactly what I needed. Thanks.

Saved (and downloaded) all the manuals on there for future reference. =]

andonnguyen said:
Saved (and downloaded) all the manuals on there for future reference. =]
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yes very informative changing radio for hero is problay easy then thought just swap the board with tmobile 3g radio and your set oh yeah code to probaly

Dream drone!

It's all done through vnc right now so the latency is bad, but that's easy to fix by using a dedicated app.... window 0 is video, window 1 is the debug output from vnc, window 2 is the output from the daughterboard and also where you send commands to steer with. Using channel 1 and 2 for steering, channel 3 for tilting the camera (well, tilting the mirror) so you have 5 free for a manipulator or whatever. Also 6 slots for sensors.
I'd like to point out that unlike a Predator drone, the video and data feeds have proper encryption
Sorry for the bad quality of the external pictures: I use the G1 as my main camera and had to dig out an old webcam.
Code and schematics for the daughterboard available on request, if you want a built-up daughterboard I gotta charge you for it, though.
update: video link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nshjT6V64Uc

u r in the wrong section btw

spiritplumber said:
I'd like to point out that unlike a Predator drone, the video and data feeds have proper encryption
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FUNNY!!! great work, would like to see a vid of this assassin in action

Thats fantastic!

Hey brutal^ he developed some kind of WMD thats capable of missile mirages or inceptions.
Can it fly though?

The problem is that if you want a "first person" video I can take it, if you want to see it go not so much because I have no other video camera than the phone!

sorry, thought it was cool
where should this thread be moved to?

Dream General

spiritplumber said:
sorry, thought it was cool
where should this thread be moved to?
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It doesn't matter anyways, you can't move it. Just wait for a mod to do it

Let me get this straight. You have created a vehicle which is controlled by a G1 which itself can be controlled remotely? is this done by Wifi or 3G? Please post more details, it looks like a fun thing to do once I retire my G1, especially if I could control it from another Android phone.

Yes, the G1 is connected to a daughterboard that uses the serial port on the ExtUSB plug to talk to a microcontroller, which in turn can deal with servos and sensors. The G1 can be controlled with ssh (I prefer to work in linux shell land) and sends images back via VNC. This can be done through any sort of network connection, I tested it with 3G and it works, now using wifi because I don't have to pay Vodafone for airtime that way. Next step is to get better video feedback and port the universal autopilot I wrote for the Parallax Propeller onto the g1.

I'm sorry but I really had to.

That'd be the next thing, once this works well on land I'll put it on a motorglider. well back to work sorry for posting in the wrong forum!

spiritplumber said:
That'd be the next thing, once this works well on land I'll put it on a motorglider.
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Or an actual predator drone...which is what the picture is of.............
there goes any chance of my joke ever being funny. I had to explain it.

BrutalHoe said:
u r in the wrong section btw
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This isn't development?

billquinn1 said:
This isn't development?
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agreed... this is definatly anrdoid dev....

javolin13 said:
agreed... this is definatly anrdoid dev....
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No... android development is when you develop Android, not hack the hardware. This isn't any new ideas or improvements, it's just an interesting use for what we already have.
Don't get me wrong, I think what you've done is extremely impressive (weird, funny, and makes me say "Why???!?!," but impressive). Kudos to you for your work. It's definitely not Android development, but it's a simple mistake, which is why everyone on this forum isn't bashing you mercilessly for it like we do when someone posts a thread here saying, "Plz help tried to instal dis moto clik thing n now all i see is Tmobil G1." A mod will move it soon, so don't sweat it.
But seriously, dude.... WTF?!? inspired you to do this?

I make my money building ship autopilots and wanted to do something that you can buy with less than $100 if you already have a g1. Also, I think those rc-car-with-camera toys are spiffy but have very limited range, so let's do something about that
re developing Android, I think this will turn into a "you see what my camera sees and viceversa" application, which I am sure has been done already, but I need to make it work through ssh.

I dont care if its develepment or not (nor the whys) I think if you have the knowledge to build something like this, then why the hell not its fun.
And its about the coolest thing I have seen in a while

htc dream keyboard with HTC magic?

Hmm.
I've opened my HTC Dream, but I haven't been able to get my hands on a Magic..
The ram on some Magics is 288M, yes? And 192M on the Dream? This is a *huge* difference, as it takes what... 70M or so, just to load the OS, the home screen, an applet or two, and of course the 20M for the graphics chip...
So, that's a big upgrade.
Thing is, I've heard many a time, that the Magic is basically just a Dream. If so, wouldn't HTC have provided pinouts for hooking up a hardware keyboard? After all, there might have been plans to make a Dream V2.
Has anyone looked at the hardware inside, to see if it is possible to take the Magic circuit board, and slap it into a Dream? To see if the pinouts are on the board?
I'd *happily* buy a Magic, swap the hardware, and use the old Dream board + Magic case for a backup phone...
So, anyone looked?

BRad Barnett said:
Hmm.
I've opened my HTC Dream, but I haven't been able to get my hands on a Magic..
The ram on some Magics is 288M, yes? And 192M on the Dream? This is a *huge* difference, as it takes what... 70M or so, just to load the OS, the home screen, an applet or two, and of course the 20M for the graphics chip...
So, that's a big upgrade.
Thing is, I've heard many a time, that the Magic is basically just a Dream. If so, wouldn't HTC have provided pinouts for hooking up a hardware keyboard? After all, there might have been plans to make a Dream V2.
Has anyone looked at the hardware inside, to see if it is possible to take the Magic circuit board, and slap it into a Dream? To see if the pinouts are on the board?
I'd *happily* buy a Magic, swap the hardware, and use the old Dream board + Magic case for a backup phone...
So, anyone looked?
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http://tinyurl.com/yj4f5gn should help

Firerat said:
http://tinyurl.com/yj4f5gn should help
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Ah. Typical schmucky response.
Please point to where, in the service manuals, there are very-high-res images of the motherboard and daughterboards, so they can be examined in detail.
Smarten up, ok?

BRad Barnett said:
Ah. Typical schmucky response.
Please point to where, in the service manuals, there are very-high-res images of the motherboard and daughterboards, so they can be examined in detail.
Smarten up, ok?
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Tip if you want some help: you might want to be nice to people who try so that others might be more motivated to. Smarten up on social skills ok?

mattv888 said:
Tip if you want some help: you might want to be nice to people who try so that others might be more motivated to. Smarten up on social skills ok?
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+ 10
Haha.

erlern said:
+ 10
Haha.
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No, -10.
There was no intent to help, what so ever.
An intent to help would be:
"Yes! I have some high res pics here!"
or
"I have a dead Magic, I'll open it and see"
A smartass "go search google for service manuals, that have nothing to do with the question.. and can't help at all" isn't an attempt to help.

BRad Barnett said:
Ah. Typical schmucky response.
Please point to where, in the service manuals, there are very-high-res images of the motherboard and daughterboards, so they can be examined in detail.
Smarten up, ok?
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you don't need 'very-high-res images' to see that what you propose is not possible

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you don't need 'very-high-res images' to see that what you propose is not possible
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Really? You can verify that there are no pads for a keyboard header, on the circuit board, via those photos? Because, I couldn't tell...

BRad Barnett said:
Really? You can verify that there are no pads for a keyboard header, on the circuit board, via those photos? Because, I couldn't tell...
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you want to fit the boards from a magic into a dream case
look at the service manual, you will quickly see that they will not fit
for one the camera is in the wrong place
unless of course your going to fabricate a new case for your 'magic with a dream keyboard'
but carry on dreaming your magic

Firerat said:
you want to fit the boards from a magic into a dream case
look at the service manual, you will quickly see that they will not fit
for one the camera is in the wrong place
unless of course your going to fabricate a new case for your 'magic with a dream keyboard'
but carry on dreaming your magic
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I've already told him this in an identical thread in the general section. This is the third copy of the same thread.
Don't feed the troll.

goldenarmZ said:
I've already told him this in an identical thread in the general section. This is the third copy of the same thread.
Don't feed the troll.
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lol
I'll devnull the tard from now on

Firerat said:
you want to fit the boards from a magic into a dream case
look at the service manual, you will quickly see that they will not fit
for one the camera is in the wrong place
unless of course your going to fabricate a new case for your 'magic with a dream keyboard'
but carry on dreaming your magic
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Right.
So, since you did not state this before, I believe I am correct in my prior assumption that you were simply being a smartass. That is, you read my prior thread, saw the other comments that stated what you've just stated, and decided to carry the same marlarky here.
Clearly I've already stated, especially in that other thread, that I am looking for that pad/header first.
So, how are you helping? Comparatively, how are you being destructive?
Does it harm you, or others of this board, to allow myself -- and others that would like to see the same, to get together and look for a keyboard header/pads on the Magic? Certainly not!
For example, as for the camera, it's only a hole in the back of the case. A dremel will make a nice, neat one. As for the rest of the boards? Well, that's something to see. Clearly I've heard statements about the boards... repeating them is not necessary.
Heck, I haven't even stated that I'd have to use the case from the Dream OR Magic to make this work, have I? There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Of course, even though you apparently don't want to look for the pads, or investigate the hardware directly, the fact that I'm interesting in trying seems to erk you. It also seems to erk goldenarmz for some reason. Your thoughts of "Why is he even bothering with this?!" translate into "I should post as many detracting statements as possibile in these threads, to prevent it!"
After all, if you don't want to do it, and if you don't think it's possible... why, you must come to my thread, and do everything possible to prevent others from trying!
So, please.. go ahead goldenarmz and Firerat. Continue to post "you can't do that!" messages all over my threads. That's just great! I'm sure everyone will be very thankful, that you've both done everything you can to prevent my horrible abomination!
THANK GOD EVERYONE! WE STOPPED HIM FROM CREATING FRANKENSTEIN! OUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE!!!
Come on guys.. give it a rest, ok? Let people interesting in investigating directly, do so.

BRad Barnett said:
Right.
So, since you did not state this before, I believe I am correct in my prior assumption that you were simply being a smartass. That is, you read my prior thread, saw the other comments that stated what you've just stated, and decided to carry the same marlarky here.
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nope, didn't now about the other threads
a definition of an idiot:
someone who repeats the same action expecting different results
bye bye BRad
BRad Barnett >> /dev/null

BRad Barnett said:
Right.
So, since you did not state this before, I believe I am correct in my prior assumption that you were simply being a smartass. That is, you read my prior thread, saw the other comments that stated what you've just stated, and decided to carry the same marlarky here.
Clearly I've already stated, especially in that other thread, that I am looking for that pad/header first.
So, how are you helping? Comparatively, how are you being destructive?
Does it harm you, or others of this board, to allow myself -- and others that would like to see the same, to get together and look for a keyboard header/pads on the Magic? Certainly not!
For example, as for the camera, it's only a hole in the back of the case. A dremel will make a nice, neat one. As for the rest of the boards? Well, that's something to see. Clearly I've heard statements about the boards... repeating them is not necessary.
Heck, I haven't even stated that I'd have to use the case from the Dream OR Magic to make this work, have I? There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Of course, even though you apparently don't want to look for the pads, or investigate the hardware directly, the fact that I'm interesting in trying seems to erk you. It also seems to erk goldenarmz for some reason. Your thoughts of "Why is he even bothering with this?!" translate into "I should post as many detracting statements as possibile in these threads, to prevent it!"
After all, if you don't want to do it, and if you don't think it's possible... why, you must come to my thread, and do everything possible to prevent others from trying!
So, please.. go ahead goldenarmz and Firerat. Continue to post "you can't do that!" messages all over my threads. That's just great! I'm sure everyone will be very thankful, that you've both done everything you can to prevent my horrible abomination!
THANK GOD EVERYONE! WE STOPPED HIM FROM CREATING FRANKENSTEIN! OUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE!!!
Come on guys.. give it a rest, ok? Let people interesting in investigating directly, do so.
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an idea
buy a magic and just do it.
then show off what you did
be sure to take step by step pictures and maybe shoot a video to use in your tutorial

Riiiight.
Regardless of whether or not you knew of the other thread, your "go look at the manuals via how-to-search-Google smartass page" was clearly not meant to be polite, by any means. It was meant to be a smartassed statement... and you received an answer in the same vein.
Also, your definition of an "idiot", is actually a misquote, I believe it was initially a _joke_ about sanity. Of course, such a statement in itself is "idiotic", unless you think learning by trial and error is only an idiots game.
Or, did you consider yourself an idiot, when you were learning to ride a bike... fell off, and got back on? Ha-ha, look at the idiot, trying to ride a bike again -- but expecting to stay on!
Please. Again, let's be serious.
Back to myself... what precisely have I 'tried again', except for trying to post a new thread, to clear out the blather from an old?

Firerat said:
an idea
buy a magic and just do it.
then show off what you did
be sure to take step by step pictures and maybe shoot a video to use in your tutorial
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Hey! I have a better idea!
How about I post a thread to a forum somewhere... and ask if anyone out there has a Magic they can look at? Maybe someone will even have a broken Magic they can look at.. so they won't sweat so much when they open it!
Wow, what a great idea! Then I can verify if there is a header/pads for a keyboard, before I buy one and perhaps waste my money!
That's such a great idea! Maybe I should try it!!
HOLY SARCASM BATMAN!
As for the pics and such, you can be damned sure I'd document any hack of the sort, if I proceed.....

BRad Barnett said:
what precisely have I 'tried again', except for trying to post a new thread, to clear out the blather from an old?
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You've asked the same question 3 times despite being told, and being shown proof that it will never, ever work.
By insisting that you want to find these "pads" where a keyboard was never intended to be fitted.. You're trying to climb the garden fence when directly behind it is a 50 foot wall of impenetrable steel - namely, the fact that your creation won't fit in the sodding case.

BRad Barnett said:
Right.
Of course, even though you apparently don't want to look for the pads, or investigate the hardware directly...
Why don't you do the work yourself? Get yourself a couple of phones on fleabay and open 'em up!!!
STOP BEING LAZY!!!
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BRad Barnett said:
Or, did you consider yourself an idiot, when you were learning to ride a bike... fell off, and got back on? Ha-ha, look at the idiot, trying to ride a bike again -- but expecting to stay on!
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if I truly repeated the same action then I would continue to fall off, no each time I got back on I did something different, hoping that it was enough to not fall off.
your not really all that smart are you
I like the idea, I don't believe it is practical
you don't need help with this, just buy a magic and try it

goldenarmZ said:
You've asked the same question 3 times despite being told, and being shown proof that it will never, ever work.
By insisting that you want to find these "pads" where a keyboard was never intended to be fitted.. You're trying to climb the garden fence when directly behind it is a 50 foot wall of impenetrable steel - namely, the fact that your creation won't fit in the sodding case.
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Typical of you.
I've already stated that I don't have to use the same case. I've already stated that I'm also willing to modify my case.
Again, though.. you want to run up and down, screaming IT WON'T WORK! STOP IT!! STOP!! IT WON'T WORK, OH PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP TRYING!
I BEG YOU! STOP TRYING!
EVERYONE ELSE!! PLEASE!! IF YOU HAVE A MAGIC, PLEASE DON'T LOOK FOR PADS!
Are you actually serious?

[REQUEST] Hard Bricked Captivate(s) - This is not a buy/sale advert...

Trials are over and over 10 captivates successfully repaired at this point with over 95% success. Pm me if you need any help with a hard brick...

ill take one too!
for other reasons!

Sounds like my phone!

id like to atempt to make a connector to help you guys out. i have a couple ideas and the tools for precision work but dont feel like disassembling my phone for the proto-type proceedure. if you get a couple phones maybe i can help out.

Danny, the connectors are available online, however if you'd like to help, we could use two circuit board like this:
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g374/adamoutler/solder_board.jpg
If you make these, please let me know. this would allow plug-in access.

Alrighty I have one coming my way. Still looking for 2 more. Come on bricked Cappy owners, this is like a golden ticket here.

connexion2005 said:
Alrighty I have one coming my way. Still looking for 2 more. Come on bricked Cappy owners, this is like a golden ticket here.
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Check your pm...

im just postign here to say how great of an idea this is !

AdamOutler said:
Danny, the connectors are available online, however if you'd like to help, we could use two circuit board like this:
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g374/adamoutler/solder_board.jpg
If you make these, please let me know. this would allow plug-in access.
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well im waiting to here from my friend who was a tool and die maker still. he is out of town. would really like to use his more specialized tools, high spindle speeds are needed for the tiny tooling needed and a jewlers drill press would be better than what i have. i could do something a little makeshift with a dremel but would like to do it a little less sloppy. also curious why it should be 2 pieces? just trying to figure out what you are seeing...

Bump. I'm still looking for 1 to 2 more units before I go official with this skill. Please contact me if you are in need of assistance.

Hmmmmmm... interesting thread. I shall subscribe. Might I request some photos and a little friendly info on your project to be posted in this thread?

carpenterethan said:
Hmmmmmm... interesting thread. I shall subscribe. Might I request some photos and a little friendly info on your project to be posted in this thread?
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YouTube "vibrant jtag" and the first video is of me doing this on a Vibrant/i9000. The project is the same but much harder on Captivate. Although it's no cakewalk on anything with how small jtag points are (.1-.2mm in size)...

+1
Maybe you'll get more to bite with all the mix ups of bootloaders between 2.3.x and 2.2. Seen at least 5 ppl between various forums say "flashed back to 2.2 from 2.3 and bricked "
connexion2005 said:
YouTube "vibrant jtag" and the first video is of me doing this on a Vibrant/i9000. The project is the same but much harder on Captivate. Although it's no cakewalk on anything with how small jtag points are (.1-.2mm in size)...
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Saw both the the Jtag vids from your site, hope you can get your hands on a nice two piece thing like you used for the HTC HD2.

just pm'ed you

DaNaRkI said:
Maybe you'll get more to bite with all the mix ups of bootloaders between 2.3.x and 2.2. Seen at least 5 ppl between various forums say "flashed back to 2.2 from 2.3 and bricked "
Saw both the the Jtag vids from your site, hope you can get your hands on a nice two piece thing like you used for the HTC HD2.
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I would love a JTAG adapter but currently none is available in the whole world for this phone. Member AdamOutler has been slowly fabbing one up for other purposes that may benefit me in the JTAG quest. But there is also a chance my skill will develop first and allow me to directly solder to the pads which I have managed to already do once and I'm hoping for some repeats on the boards I have currently in transit to me! If all goes well, I can go live with this service middle of next week.

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just pm'ed you
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PM sent. You qualify as my potential last trial run before real service is offered. Check your inbox and get that bad boy coming my way.

Just wanted to pop in here and say THANK YOU to connexion2005 for his awesome work.
I sent him my hard-bricked Captivate a few days ago, and he was successfully able to recover it with with JTAG. JTAG has been something I have personally looked into when I was more active with the Captivate, and I can say that soldering to the main board is a real pain, and I applaud him for his skills in being able to do so. He was able to fix my phone and return it very quickly. His hard brick recovery service is a real asset to the SGS guys!
Thanks again!

UPDATE: I'm now 2 for my last 2 in successfuly (BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH) hard bricked / corrupt bootloader resurrections.
When a JIG doesn't work, I can still save you!

connexion2005 said:
UPDATE: I'm now 2 for my last 2 in successfuly (BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH) hard bricked / corrupt bootloader resurrections.
When a JIG doesn't work, I can still save you!
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Hi all,
Yes this is true. I am one of those 2 phones resurrected from death!!!! Really thank you.. I know it is a hard task... so helping accomplish this and of course saving the phone is priceless http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Really thank you!!!!

connexion2005 said:
If you have a hard bricked captivate that is no longer in warranty and is currently of no use to you, I'd like to practice with the motherboard and attempt to JTAG repair it. I'm practicing my skill at the tiny points on a Captivate board in an attempt to be able to offer JTAG Captivate debricking which is practically offered by only a few places in the world.
This is a REQUEST for any/all Captivate's that are not water damaged, and were hard bricked by a bad ODIN flash, firmware OTA upgrade or bootloader upgrade. If your phone has the black screen of death and won't turn on, this is for you. If it shows ZERO signs of life, this is for you.
MODS: This is not an advertisement for a service but a free offer of helping out both myself and the owner of the phone. There is NO PROFIT made on this. I will even cover your S/H fees to and from my home.
This process currently has a moderate chance (50/50) of damaging the boards points for JTAG owner's, this is only for people that don't currently have a warranty in effect and have nothing to lose versus throwing way a board I may be able to fix. If you have a warranty you are advised to go through Samsung or AT&T for a replacement not through me on this potential trial fix.
If I fix your phone, it's absolutely free for participating in my practice session with Captivate JTAG soldering. I have successfully mastered other Galaxy S variants (Epic, Vibrant and i9000) but the Captivate is by far the hardest phone to solder to.
I'm looking for 3 phones. Don't miss out on a chance to possibly have your paper weight restored at no cost!!!
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Can you fix a Samsung Epic phone? Do you believe that these instructions can resurect a Samsung Epic phone?

Here's the P6200 disassembly guide

just sharing the disassembly guide i found.
very nice to see the innards of our tablet..
here's the link in Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/85067765/GT-P6200-Dis-Assembly-Guide
PDF file.
http://hotfile.com/dl/144396468/f3c8aa6/GT-P6200_Disassembly_Guide.rar.html

Nice to see inside our tablet. Realy good tablet, but there is still no update from Samsung

required tools:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...langId=-1&keyword=sledge+hammer&storeId=10051

does anyone know if it is sealed or glued, etc.?
I tried this with my dell streak 7 tablet, and the seal wasnt heated enough to loosen up, and some of the outside cracked.
needless to say I wont be opening my tab plus regardless.
but thanks for the info.

garyd9 said:
required tools:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...langId=-1&keyword=sledge+hammer&storeId=10051
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I wonder if that tool could help us get ICS any more quickly. Are there any unstable members good at making convincing threats?

k_t_b said:
Are there any unstable members good at making convincing threats?
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"unstable." That's an interesting choice of word. I'd say that when I try to dance, I'm pretty unstable. I'm also unstable when trying to balance on a tightwire. Does that count?

Hehe. I left out the mentally-part. I thought that was obvious. Just joking around... trying to imagine ways that tool could be put to use.

k_t_b said:
Hehe. I left out the mentally-part. I thought that was obvious.
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Oh! Why didn't you say so? Obviously, most people on these forums are mentally parted! As well, we often part with our mentality.
Am I missing something mental here? Perhaps only part-way?

Well, in any case, I hope you didn't take my comment personally. I certainly didn't mean for it to come across that way. When I saw that image you linked, I giggled and immediately pictured a frustrated XDA member heading to Samsung with ICS-demands on their mind and a hammer in their hand.
Have a nice day, Gary.