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I have used one of there batteries on my tytn 1 and it was superb, 2400mah. I couldnt flatten it in a day!!
Anyway just got this reply:
Dear Dave,
Thanks for your enquiry for a Mugen Power Battery for the new HTC Touch Diamond. At this moment, Mugen Power is developing high-performance batteries for this model and will be released soon. As soon as we have any further information about this new battery, we will forward this to you. Thanks for visiting our website and interest in our products.
If you have any questions or need more information, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kindest regards,
Xxandr
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Mugen Power Batteries Europe
The Diamond's current battery capacity is only 900mah. If we can get one for 2400mah then it would be almost triple the current capacity.
That would be my no. 1 must buy assessory for the Diamond.
That's definitly interesting news.
With the price of getting a diamond wich is double in thickness. Then you can wait for the Raphael!
All new batteries with a higher capacity will be thicker than the original one, at least if they have a seriously higher capacity.
PDAShop got soon the 1100 mAh version, with same sizes. So no other cover and 22% extra power .
pond said:
The Diamond's current battery capacity is only 900mah. If we can get one for 2400mah then it would be almost triple the current capacity.
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Sure, but you'd triple its depth too.....
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PDAShop got soon the 1100 mAh version, with same sizes. So no other cover and 22% extra power .
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That's intresting. Not much, but a little more couldn't do any harm....I like the size of the phone, so I'm not waiting for a thick one, then I could have wait for the touch pro
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=hz-265&ausWG=Touch_Diamond
here you can find a 1340mAh battery with backcover for 55€
greetz xTMODx
interesting , waiting for news from Mugen Power Battery
Wondering which battery to get of them two, I've read some users saying that the 3500M battery is actually smaller than the 3000M which would indicitate it has less capacity? They've also said that it doesn't live up to the rated capacity in terms of usage time. I'm leaning toward the 3000M battery as it seems to have a better reputation. I also don't really want to spend more than ~$15 on the new battery.
Also, which one has a better feel to it with the cover?
I was bought this one http://www.batteryupgrade.com/shopB...rtmentProductId/42252157/shopGroupId/46205854
from renomierung distributer (know from many pasts ordering), and im very,very satisfacted.
Regards
Any picture of a battery that size in the sgs?
Hvala Miro. It's a bit expensive though.
I was thinking of one of these
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3000mAh-Exte...Accessories&hash=item5add807a84#ht_4261wt_905
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3500M-EXTEND...Accessories&hash=item4aa5e7292d#ht_1727wt_905
none of those batteries really offer the advertized capacities, probably the 3500 will give you a few hours more than the 3000 but expect them to be like 75% or less of their real rated capacity.
Some people have said in other threads that the 3500m one is actually smaller than the 3000, which should mean that the actual capacity is lower?
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Some people have said in other threads that the 3500m one is actually smaller than the 3000, which should mean that the actual capacity is lower?
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My battery is like on yor first link for ebay.
I can tell you:
With original SGS battery i have 1 day to 1,5 day battery life (im relativ middle to stronger user,GPRS,GPS,3G,etc. But with this 3000 mAh battery i have last about 4-5 days. SGS is doble dicker from original,but i have no care if i go on shorter travel without charger
Pozdrav
Best regards
are the batteries sold for I9000 usable for samsung vibrant?
Pickup the quality: Mugen I couldn't submit a link since im new
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Some people have said in other threads that the 3500m one is actually smaller than the 3000, which should mean that the actual capacity is lower?
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I purchased both from e-cell in UK. They look pretty much identical, the 3500 one has label only on one side and it's a little thinner. But they are higher capacity than the stock one, about twice the capacity.
Doing my usual test while communting on metro and train, reading news with screen at minimum brightness, with the standard battery I usually lose 20% in 1 hour, with the big battery I lose 10%.
The back cover is a little too big and there's a space between the battery and the cover, so it moves, I had to fill the gap with a piece of paper.
@vcespon
You have a 3000mAh and a 3500mAh battery?
Do you have now more experience in the differences?
Is here a owner of a 3000mAh Yoobao Accu?
It seems Yoobao is a "quality label"?!?
A comparison of budget 3500mAh and budget 3000mAh and Yoobao 3000mAh would very interesting.
Specifically, the running time for the same use (eg video loop).
The Yoobao battery costs three times more as the cheapest noname battery.
€7, the chepeast 3500mAh battery and €21 for the 3000mAh Yoobao.
Is the desk stand the only difference?
So, I'm looking to replace my 6 month old stock Epic battery, and was thinking while I was at it I might as well get the best one available to me, with the only requirement being that it doesn't require a new phone back plate. Searching/Browsing this forum has proved somewhat unsuccessful, the best threads I found were this one where slvr00gt debunks the mAh ratings of some Chinese batteries, and this nondescript thread where the 1650 mAh battery from the Galaxy S is discussed (some sellers seem to be packaging 1500 mAh batteries as 1650 mAh batteries).
It seems the best option currently available for replacing your stock battery while keeping the same form factor is the same Samsung 1500 mAh battery or the 1650 mAh Samsung battery from the Galaxy S (although sourcing a genuine one seems to be difficult currently).
Are there other options out there I'm missing? Planning on keeping this post updated as a guide, btw.
The battery from europe is genuine.
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So, I'm looking to replace my 6 month old stock Epic battery, and was thinking while I was at it I might as well get the best one available to me, with the only requirement being that it doesn't require a new phone back plate. Searching/Browsing this forum has proved somewhat unsuccessful, the best threads I found were this one where slvr00gt debunks the mAh ratings of some Chinese batteries, and this nondescript thread where the 1650 mAh battery from the Galaxy S is discussed (some sellers seem to be packaging 1500 mAh batteries as 1650 mAh batteries).
It seems the best option currently available for replacing your stock battery while keeping the same form factor is the same Samsung 1500 mAh battery or the 1650 mAh Samsung battery from the Galaxy S (although sourcing a genuine one seems to be difficult currently).
Are there other options out there I'm missing? Planning on keeping this post updated as a guide, btw.
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Some guy from Solvania is selling them and I can say his batteries are genuine I weight my standard 1500 mah stock battery and it weighs 32.1 grams and the 1650 mah replacement stock battery weighs 33.5 grams which weighs approximately 4% more than the 1500 mah stock battery. The other batteries I got from china weighed in at 29.6 grams, 29.4 grams and 28.9 grams the weight on these battery are inconstistant. But I got all three batteries with the charger for 1/3 the price I paid for my replacement battery from europe.
Do you have a link to these Solvania batteries? Good batteries are going to be heavier then the cheaper ones.
hi guys.i have searched ebay to buy reasonable battery for my desire but i am a little bit confused.i saw mugen and innocell batteries have good reputation but very expensive for me.can anyone help me which reasonable extented battery i can but from ebay?thanks a billion in advance.
no one?any help......please......
I think most replies in other threads to extended batteries show that you get what you pay for. The cheaper ones tend to give just the same (or worse) battery life than the standard OEM battery.
The better, larger extended batteries are more expensive and increase the size of the handset too, but if you can put up with this they will extend the battery life but it won't be anything "jaw-dropping".
On specific batteries I can only really advise to keep away from the batteries sold on ebay from China/HK as these tend to be a lot more inferior in quality and performance and can be prone to going up in flames (literally).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that out of the two battery brands you mention innocell seems to get better ratings and reviews but they still aren't brilliant. Best to shop around online and compare user ratings. Checkout Amazon and Mobile fun for ratings for example, because ebay only gives seller ratings and not product ratings.
thanks a lot for your precious information mate.
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thanks a lot for your precious information mate.
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If you want to buy extended battery, you will need to notice on its charging cycle. Having larger battery (mAh) is not worth if their charging cycle is short.
Even though you got high mAh battery, they may be rapidly reducing its maximum battery level to 80% after you charge them for several cycle.
well i bought Andida battery advertised and alabelled as 1800 mAh - it does not work as advertised. After few cycles i feel it is now smaller capacity than genuine one, it does not charge up to 100% it stops charging somehow @99%. As a backup battery well maybe, as a replacement defenately no!
I've read that somewhere, that the HTC batteries aren't the biggest batteries around, but they somehow manage to get up to 95% of the capacity to be used. That is what none of those cheaper batteries can achieve, so it is senseless to buy a bigger battery that only uses some 70% and in the end the smaller, but more efficient HTC battery is your better choice
/edit: Here, that may be interesting! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168036
YooBao extended ones is actually pretty good, known for their blackberry batteries (of which used by a lot of people here)
It is sad, but true. All the ebay, mugen, seidio etc batteries that claim 1800/900/2000/whatever capacity are scams. same size battery = same capacity.
The best bet for additional capacity with the stock backplate is the evo3D stock battery, which is 1.5mm thicker and has a couple hundred more mah.
check out www.batteryboss.org
Notice a trend with every Non-OEM battery?
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It is sad, but true. All the ebay, mugen, seidio etc batteries that claim 1800/900/2000/whatever capacity are scams. same size battery = same capacity.
The best bet for additional capacity with the stock backplate is the evo3D stock battery, which is 1.5mm thicker and has a couple hundred more mah.
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Well the evo 3d battery is 3.8v and ours is 3.7v so that might mess up your phone.
And my extended battery not only is a tiny bit bigger but it also weighs more and gives me about 15 hrs a day.
If you can get the type of battery efficiency I get on a daily basis with normal usage then maybe I might believe you.
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all phones have built in voltage control circuitry. 0.1v is not going to harm anything.
that is how phones can handle a stock battery going from ~4v to ~3v while it discharges.
3.8v vs 3.7v is just the nominal voltage of the battery. the voltage of the evo3d is higher since it's capacity is higher.
Well, sorry to rain on your PSA but I was running stock battery (and quite happy with the performance of the stock btw), I opted to try the Anker battery. With little to no expectations, I was really looking for an extra battery, so spending 12usd wasn't bad compared to my Seidio extended battery for my N1 that cost double of the Anker.
I was simply expecting stock performance and got a bit more than expected. Is it magic? Who the heck cares, it works!
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Well, sorry to rain on your PSA but I was running stock battery (and quite happy with the performance of the stock btw), I opted to try the Anker battery. With little to no expectations, I was really looking for an extra battery, so spending 12usd wasn't bad compared to my Seidio extended battery for my N1 that cost double of the Anker.
I was simply expecting stock performance and got a bit more than expected. Is it magic? Who the heck cares, it works!
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if it works for you, more power to you
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if it works for you, more power to you
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That's the point, no?
1000th POST LOL
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That's the point, no?
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haha yes, pun was intended. I'm curious: do you still have your stock battery?
Could you compare thickness with the Anker? if it is thicker, there's where your extra capacity is coming from.
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haha yes, pun was intended. I'm curious: do you still have your stock battery?
Could you compare thickness with the Anker? if it is thicker, there's where your extra capacity is coming from.
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Yes the Anker battery is a smidge thicker, not much to the naked eye. As posted in another thread, it's slightly heavier as well. And that could account for a bit more capacity.
The Anker battery without a doubt lasts alot longer than the stock battery!
I don't think all these stuff matter as long as user experience/reviews with the batteries prove positive.
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It is sad, but true. All the ebay, mugen, seidio etc batteries that claim 1800/900/2000/whatever capacity are scams. same size battery = same capacity.
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And what about a pentiline or normal AA battery that would fit in a mp3 player or kids toy or even a dildo? All same sizes and yet thy exists in different capacities?
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he's absolutely right. theres a very large capacity differential between standard batteries of varying internal composition. easiest reference, test out a lithium ion battery versus a nickel cadmium battery (both come in AA), which are exactly the same size, and tell me theres no more capacity in one than the other.
Electrical capacitance, as we have seen throughout history has nothing to do with size, so the OP is arguing against the progression of physics. 50 years ago, a battery capable of powering a sensation would have been as big as a book, and yet they used that "magic" you were saying didnt exist to "cram more mAH" into a smaller battery.
Size means very little. Internal construction and quality mean everything. I have seen D cell batteries that are really a AA inside a D cell case. Perhaps the HTC battery is built the same? I dont know, nor do I intend to find out.
If you drain the battery at a constant rate (no, not with your phone, but with more accurate equipment), then you can easily figure its capacity. There is no arguing with that...The aftermarket batteries have been found to have MUCH GREATER capacity than the HTC battery. That is confirmed, 100%.
Matt
However it may be my ChiChiTec battery permits me to go a whole day without charging whereas the stock did not. That's good enough for me.
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Stock battery is really crappy... I'm still waiting for a decent review about the aftermarket battery's
vivanshah said:
It is sad, but true. All the ebay, mugen, seidio etc batteries that claim 1800/900/2000/whatever capacity are scams. same size battery = same capacity.
The best bet for additional capacity with the stock backplate is the evo3D stock battery, which is 1.5mm thicker and has a couple hundred more mah.
check out www.batteryboss.org
Notice a trend with every Non-OEM battery?
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I got the seidio 1900mAh EVO battery and it does weigh a bit more but worth the extra juice on heavy usage days especially with right rom
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vivanshah said:
It is sad, but true. All the ebay, mugen, seidio etc batteries that claim 1800/900/2000/whatever capacity are scams. same size battery = same capacity.
The best bet for additional capacity with the stock backplate is the evo3D stock battery, which is 1.5mm thicker and has a couple hundred more mah.
check out www.batteryboss.org
Notice a trend with every Non-OEM battery?
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you are an idiot.. no offence intended but you havent read any of the threads on here about all the batteries availaible.
QUALITY OF THE CELLS MEANS EVERYTHING!
crap cells wont hold high amounts of energy, they wont hold as stable a voltage under load and wost of all heat up more than a quality cell.
my anker battery does weigh 2g more than the stock battery and is 0.2mm thicker but that amount of extra mass gets me 4-5 hours more use over the stock battery and thats to do with the quality of the cells more than the exta weight and size.
my stock battery heats up a lot and fast under load and causes the whole phone to get stupidly hot. Anker battery DOES NOT do this at all and only the lower part of my phone gets hot.
some cheap batteries are crap, but there are plenty of good ones too.
if you still think same size = same capacity then ask yourself this, why are some batteries worse than the stock one yet still the same size? if some can be worse then some can be better .... Right???
heres a whole website of information about batteries you can disagree with if you like.
http://batteryuniversity.com/
Here is a size comparision between the stock battery (top) and the chichitec (bottom):
You guys are missing the point of the op. This is not about comparing 2 different battery chemistries. We are comparing an OEM Li-ion battery to an after market one.
The only evidence of an aftermarket battery ever being superior ( in the case that they are the same size and weight) has only been via anecdotal perception of the buyer.
If an aftermarket battery is larger/heaver, there's a chance it could out perform the OEM unit, but when tested using capacity measuring test equipment, It will usually test well below the label mAh rating, unlike the OEM cell which is usually within 3% of its labeled mAh rating.
That's not to say these batteries are not a good value for the money, they are. $12 for a replacement battery is a really good value, especially if its at least as good as the OEM unit.
The real snake oil is in the high capacity multi cell batteries, where the manufacturers have been caught (by me) to have intentionally over stated the mAh rating.
If you get better phone life from your 1700-1950mAh aftermarket battery, that's great! But I doubt you're getting more than 80% of the capacity that's stamped on the label.
I have not seen any independent tests of Sensation batteries yet, no less one that shows an after market battery delivering its labeled capacity.
After reading the many positive reviews of the Anker 1900mAh battery, I just ordered one. Lets see how it measures.