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Which one is cooler? I've been using XBMod's TF3D2 cooked into my fave ROMs for a month now and I've grown quite accustomed to it.
However, As of the last three days I've been using WM6.5 and the interface is nice. I'm still using TF3D2 but I'm considering moving over to WM6.5 becaue its so much lighter, simpler, and snappier.
However, TF3D2 is more versatile and stylish.
What do you guys think?
hmm I think tf3d2 is definitely very nice but because its not part of the os and it has to run on top of winmo, I'd rather give up a little bit of style and keep things going nice and fast without sacrificing ram and resources. And I kinda like the sliders and other new stuff that 6.5 has to offer although I can't wait for 7
I just realized that WM6.5 doesn't do weather I use the weather tab a lot.
I also use the Youtube/Internet tab too in TF3D2
Im using the default. I like TF3D2 alot, but its landscape mode is buggy
Yeah, thats true. I think I'm going to turn to default WM6.5 for a while after all.
i made the leap and flashed my Fuze for the first time and w/ Da_G's base WM 6.5 rom. i like the new 6.5 today/home interface. i also wouldn't be surprised if icons get added to the text on the home page once the final version is released. while TF3D has a lot of nice features, it's ultimately eye candy. i think the 6.5 interface consolidates things nicely on one screen and is finger-friendly enough. when i was using the stock rom, i was actually using PointUI's Home2 instead of TF3D as that just used too many resources and I really only used maybe 3 tabs.
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i think microsoft needs to bring WM to a level where the core functionality of the device, foremost it's phone/communicating functions, is solid and can stand on its own without these user-made shells/enhancements. honestly, i think this is where the iphone succeeds--it's core functionality is done very well and for probably 90+% of the market, it does what users need it to do w/o any hassles. on the other hand, w/ WM more often than not, one is always trying to tweak the device as the UI and/or out-of-box experience isn't always pleasant. as for tweaking, frankly it gets tiring and frustrating--i've got other things in my life to do and would much rather be able to have a device that's useable right out of the box. overlooking its lack of physical keyboard and deficiencies w/ bluetooth (which should be remedied in OS 3.0), if the iphone platform weren't so locked down (have to go through apps store for everything and compulsory internet plans), i probably would have gone that route and am still contemplating it as my next phone.
^I don't think you get the value of the M$ business model.
Mac for iPhone is just like Mac for their home computers; its designed the way that the OEM wants it, and since they are the OEM, thats that.
WinMo is designed to appeal to a much much larger range of distributors. Its designed vanilla to keep costs low so that the resellers can tweak it however they want and make their own product out of it. People are happy to use the product as it is. Its mostly just the geeks that get annoyed with it, but all the T-Mobile Wing users out there don't complain, despite the phone running like a smelly piece of ass. Why? Because its cheap and, in the end, gets the job done.
You'll never catch a business mass ordering iPhones for their field workers because that's not what they are for. iPhones are entertainment devices. WinMo phones are work devices.
Its actually very intelligent. Sure, the OS isn't as tight as it could be, but they can get away with it because its such an effective model. Its just how business works.
6.5 does do weather. you install titanium weather. i like tf3d better. its flashier which is always a wow factor and i think alot more development went into it. chome is good but it does feel like a competitor. an iphone user wouldnt be impressed with chome. its up to you what you want to use. the brilliance of windows mobile is you can have it look and do whatever the hell you want.
So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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You just did exactly what I was going to suggest you do...
I HIGHLY suggest you try out EnergyROM 2.0 series... IMHO it's the best 6.1-TF3d2 ROM out there: It's fast and furious, no joke.
Rock on.
Is it CDMA-compatible?
I don't think a fair comparison can be made between 2 leaked beta interfaces that may never be officially released for our device. TF3D2 does come off more polished because it's a whole lot closer to release. It will be interesting to see what HTC brings to 6.5. I can't imagine that they won't bring some part of TF3D interface along to maintain their own branding. It's inevitable that everyone here who doesn't jump to another phone will be running 6.5 eventually, whether it's officially released for the tp or not. I'm also interested in what effect the Palm Pre's interface will have on WM devices. I haven't used a Pre, but I have used TealOS on my wifes 755P and it points the way to a superior interface for a multitasking environment. Task managment is not something WM has ever done well and neither 6.5 or TF3D seems to improve that much at all.
I was just wondering how happy everyone is with Windows mobile, if you are waiting for android, or waiting on another operating system to swtich phones or what not... Just wondering what everyones up to.
i just recently got my at&t HTC Fuze about a week ago and im in love with it!!! love google maps and youtube!
I love windows mobile! never going to leave it!
I've had My Touch Diamond 2 for just over a week. WM phones are the best phones I've had. I still like Motorola and Nokia but HTC with WM is on the top of my list. Samsung is bleh.
What I'm waiting for is Android on my TD2.
No android for me. I'm digging WM on my PPC's!!
Android is too young and inmature OS, perhaps with a couple of years can become a good option, but by now I´ll stick to WM because you can have a lot of fun with it!
ppl will need quite some time to switch to another new OS
Android and Symbian are too close to Windows Mobile for me. If I switch, it'll be to the iPhone OS.
I love WM! But the Omnia HD has too many good specs, not necessarily a good OS, so I'm switching to it.
I voted WM though.
I voted for Android. I had it working for a brief week on my AT&T Tilt and it was amazing (even though it's kinda buggy and not fully supported). I would love to see Google actually release a ROM (that would be fully supported) by them, but we all the know the chances of that happening.
The reasons I might switch to it are:
if they release a good, stable, and fast clamshell device with a nice screen.
if the softwares I am looking for are all supported and can be found.
otherwise, I am happy with WM, but it takes a lot of time and effort just setting it to run the way you want. I wish it could be as easy as opening a box.
I have had 5 windows mobile phones so far in the last 5 years and presently I have the HD. I can see each generation progressively improve and I think HD is the best phone I ever had.
For me switching over to Android, I can only consider if they have an office program as powerful as Softmaker. I extensively use my phone for managing and editing word and excel documents and I am all out for SoftMaker. So till the other platforms have anything whcih comes close to this switch over is not a possibility for me.
Android's alright, but Windows Mobile has such an extensive library of applications, and such a large support community, that I cannot imagine what it would be like without all that.
Plus, if you have a popular Windows Mobile device, it's likely that within a year, Android will have been ported with almost full hardware/software functionality (exceptions include cameras, proprietary hardware like proximity sensors, etc.), so it's really a win-win situation with most WINdows Mobile devices. Just my opinions anyway.
Dave
I already made the switch to android for the most part and love it, but still have my dash around for gaming. Wm is awesome but so is android, will take time to really take off though.
i love winmo but i am getting sick of all the problems, lack of updates, crappy UI, need to actually cover up the OS, etc.
I have been running Android on my Vogue on and off and like the change so im probably gonna try out a new OS on a new device till WM7 hits cuz 6.5 is just rubbish in updates compared to the competition
iPhone Gen 3.0 or most likely Palm Pre are next on the horizon for me
ok so here's the thing, i have an upgrade on sprint and am deciding between the touch pro 2, the hero and the samsung moment. the only reason i really like the hero is because of sense. but if if someone here knows how to get sense on the moment i would snap it up immediately.
however the touch pro 2 looks amazing with the big screen and that awesome keyboard. not to mention i looked around on the forums last couple of days and have seen all the crazy stuff for windows mobile with cooked roms and stuff. not to mention u guys have android on WM so yeah.
i'm coming from a pre, and was part of the first homebrewers so i doubt i'll have to much trouble with modding or rooting the WM or android phones. i dealt with alot of coding with the pre and it was a bit of a pain but enlightening.
so i'm just wondering what u TP2 and Hero users have to say. and if anybody can answer about getting sense ui on the moment that would be great.
tl;dr what should i get Hero, TP2 or Moment.
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ok so here's the thing, i have an upgrade on sprint and am deciding between the touch pro 2, the hero and the samsung moment. the only reason i really like the hero is because of sense. but if if someone here knows how to get sense on the moment i would snap it up immediately.
however the touch pro 2 looks amazing with the big screen and that awesome keyboard. not to mention i looked around on the forums last couple of days and have seen all the crazy stuff for windows mobile with cooked roms and stuff. not to mention u guys have android on WM so yeah.
i'm coming from a pre, and was part of the first homebrewers so i doubt i'll have to much trouble with modding or rooting the WM or android phones. i dealt with alot of coding with the pre and it was a bit of a pain but enlightening.
so i'm just wondering what u TP2 and Hero users have to say. and if anybody can answer about getting sense ui on the moment that would be great.
tl;dr what should i get Hero, TP2 or Moment.
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My advice...
Drop the Moment...
Go with a TP2. They are working on porting Android for this and will not be long before you can see a port with Sense on the TP2 (if there isn't one already).
Hope this helps.
so any other responses? or opinions.
Go for the TP2 which as mentioned has many cool stuff & more in development. Very reliable with a nice screen!
But if U want the cool Android stuff now, then of course it's the Hero...
so about the TP2 does it run sense like the hd2 or touchflo? and where do i go to get all the cool stuff for it, anywhere specific.
You can find tons of info & answers in the rhodium section:
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I'm currently a Verizon Wireless Customer. I have my NE2 and can get the TP2 for $50 or the Incredible for $170. I'm looking for recommendations. I'm coming from the Droid Eris which was given to me as a gift. I loved android with Sense UI. I know that the TP2 has WM 6.1 or 6.5 but can boot android 2.1 with Sense UI now as well. with limitations. I like that the TP2 is highly customizable with various different roms to choose from. Also, Having a hardware keyboard would be nice to use again. I've only heard perfect things about the TP2's keyboard... The incredible has clearly newer technology with Android 2.1 with Sense UI fully working. I'm sure the phone will eventually be rooted and henceforth also very customizable. I know the specs of both phones. Based on everything including the difference in price, what are your recommendations?
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I'm currently a Verizon Wireless Customer. I have my NE2 and can get the TP2 for $50 or the Incredible for $170. I'm looking for recommendations. I'm coming from the Droid Eris which was given to me as a gift. I loved android with Sense UI. I know that the TP2 has WM 6.1 or 6.5 but can boot android 2.1 with Sense UI now as well. with limitations. I like that the TP2 is highly customizable with various different roms to choose from. Also, Having a hardware keyboard would be nice to use again. I've only heard perfect things about the TP2's keyboard... The incredible has clearly newer technology with Android 2.1 with Sense UI fully working. I'm sure the phone will eventually be rooted and henceforth also very customizable. I know the specs of both phones. Based on everything including the difference in price, what are your recommendations?
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How is this even a question?!lol Incredible of course! The processor on that bad boy is worth it! and the camera, and the screen, and the phone itself,plus itll get rooted very soon so custom ROMs will be flooding the incredible forum!
I have a TP2 and love it but trust me...Android is the way to go orrrrr, a TMO HD2
Well leebsammy it is all personal choice of course, but it seems like you want to stick on the Android side of things... My vote would be for the Incredible, and that not only comes from the fact that it is natively an Android based device... Specification-wise it trumphs every aspect of the Rhodium.
On that note I went from a Tilt 2 (TP2) to a Nexus One, and while I was/still am a huge Windows Mobile junkie... I will not be returning, it was great, but Android is so much more up to my speed. I like multimedia, ease of use, and sheer functionality. While the TP2 was a great phone, I felt the hardware was a little dated, and having it in a nice Body Glove case, I was upset when I'd run out of RAM and have to pull it all the way out in order to soft reset. On the upside that keyboard was AWESOME! However, being on the Nexus One - Swype has more than made up for its lack of a keyboard, and the Snapdragon processor has never gotten bogged down. Mind you I have never had an HTC phone and kept it stock, but the Nexus is actually very nice as-is and as such I haven't done anything to it, other than install applications!
And also if you bought a TP2 with the intention of running Android, it was not nearly mature enough for daily use on my GSM model.
So like I said my vote go for the Incredible, and I don't think you you will be disappointed.
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I'm currently a Verizon Wireless Customer. I have my NE2 and can get the TP2 for $50 or the Incredible for $170. I'm looking for recommendations. I'm coming from the Droid Eris which was given to me as a gift. I loved android with Sense UI. I know that the TP2 has WM 6.1 or 6.5 but can boot android 2.1 with Sense UI now as well. with limitations. I like that the TP2 is highly customizable with various different roms to choose from. Also, Having a hardware keyboard would be nice to use again. I've only heard perfect things about the TP2's keyboard... The incredible has clearly newer technology with Android 2.1 with Sense UI fully working. I'm sure the phone will eventually be rooted and henceforth also very customizable. I know the specs of both phones. Based on everything including the difference in price, what are your recommendations?
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Rhodium all the time!!!
I prefer to have a REAL keyboard then better specs
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Well leebsammy it is all personal choice of course, but it seems like you want to stick on the Android side of things... My vote would be for the Incredible, and that not only comes from the fact that it is natively an Android based device... Specification-wise it trumphs every aspect of the Rhodium.
On that note I went from a Tilt 2 (TP2) to a Nexus One, and while I was/still am a huge Windows Mobile junkie... I will not be returning, it was great, but Android is so much more up to my speed. I like multimedia, ease of use, and sheer functionality. While the TP2 was a great phone, I felt the hardware was a little dated, and having it in a nice Body Glove case, I was upset when I'd run out of RAM and have to pull it all the way out in order to soft reset. On the upside that keyboard was AWESOME! However, being on the Nexus One - Swype has more than made up for its lack of a keyboard, and the Snapdragon processor has never gotten bogged down. Mind you I have never had an HTC phone and kept it stock, but the Nexus is actually very nice as-is and as such I haven't done anything to it, other than install applications!
And also if you bought a TP2 with the intention of running Android, it was not nearly mature enough for daily use on my GSM model.
So like I said my vote go for the Incredible, and I don't think you you will be disappointed.
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Thanks a lot for you're suggestions. I appreciate all of you guys input. You're probably right about me wanting to stay with android. Having a Droid eris however, i hated having such a short battery life.. The incredible has the same battery as the eris. i can't imagine that the snapdragon and extra ram would do anything but drain it's life even more. I've heard that the TP2 can get through a full day with heavy useage. also having the availability of android and wm would be nice. if the developers could get sound working for android for TP2; i wouldn't have an issue running it most of the time. I could still run swype on the tp2 for portrait mode, and use the hw keyboard in landscape. besides texting, i really only use the browser and a few apps. gmail/ pandora. The lower price of the TP2 also would be nicer to my wallet...
Hello World,
I really don't understand why, but I know there are some people that want WP7 on their "old" devices like HD2 and that some great gurus on XDA are working hard to do it
Yet personally I just hate WP7 and I would like to know if the opposite initiative exists or would be possible : I would like to have good old WinMo 6.5 on newer hardware
I'd love to have something with at least 1 ghz horsepower like HD2, a big capacitive screen but also with a hardware keyboard like desire Z or HTC 7 pro ... running WinMo.
Do you know if there are some hacking attempts to make work wm 6.5 on new devices designed for wp7 or android ?
Cheers,
Nibbler.
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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i think you will find android is just as able to launch a diffrent os .... linux based os's like ubuntu can be easly launched from android
Linux on top of linux isnt that impressive... and linux itself is kinda a letdown as is. I mean I know that its capable of a bunch of cool additional features but just like android you have to tinker with it for forever before it's usable.
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There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Give it time and I'm sure there will be plenty of people you can swap with
Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
I prefer Leo because I can switch between Android and WM and soon with WP7 and that´s the freedom I want on a phone.
Doubt WP7 will have the option to load WM but if I´m wrong probably then and only then I should consider it.
I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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I agree with you on both points : WM is the most versatile mobile OS ... and yes most of the time you have to tweak it a lot. Yet from my point of view, WM as a core and some graphical user friendly interface above like Sense gives to the user "the best of the two worlds" : a powerful and tweakable machine but also user friendly out of the box
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Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
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I've also double quoted "Old" in my post
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I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Definitely
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
Just to try to clarify my thought :
even if certainly difficult, would it be possible or totally unthinkable to "cross-flash" let's say a tweaked HD2 rom, with some touch pro 2 keyboard drivers cooked inside, over a HD7pro or Desire Z machine if the hardware between HD2 and HD7pro/Desire Z are quite similar ?
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Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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One day working with WP7 on a hacked device gives you a firm base to run a compare of the two? I don't think so mate, that would be poor journalism at best.
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
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Just two points :
- In fact uglier or not uglier is just a matter of taste, so I wont argue on that even if I found the WP7 interface horrible ... The real point that is really ugly is that fact that m$ is becoming dictatorial and decided to prevent people to have the right to change it or customize it to suit their needs Personally I will never pay for an OS that will prevent me to do what I want to do. The OS must suit my needs, not the contrary
- And as for the tweaking ... if you take a phone like the HD2 WM+Sense, you have a pretty good power over user friendliness balance, certainly far far better than any of the WP7 devices...
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The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
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I think you've maybe misunderstood me : I don't ask "why HD2 ?" because I also think it is by far the best smartphone on the market even today or why hacking which is more and more logical and legitimate when major companies try to restrict features as much as possible just to try to sell you a shiny new new revolutionary "copy & paste" upgrade a few month later...
My point is : for now I won't change my HD2, I don't think that I will find a better phone on the market in the near future...
I mean, hardware is improving and some really nice 1 ghz+ sliding keyboard like HD7 pro will be soon available... but for me WP7 is just a wobbly dumbphone OS that will prevent me to buy such phone.
But HD2 won't last forever ... so I was just trying to know if there would be a chance that the creativity of the xda gurus could be orientated to try to keep alive WM on newer hardware, as m$ certainly won't do it, as it is more profitable for them to push forward Wobbly Phone 7
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Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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And it's even better on a HD2 than on a diamond
The fact is that even if WM6.5 is dying ... there are still a lot more apps on WM6.5 than WP7 and you also find apps on WM that you won't find on Android or iPhone.
And developers are stopping to develop on WM6.5 because they think that there is no future...
But maybe if WP7 sales are very low, and power users still try to keep alive WM6.5 and show that they won't accept this forced regression ... maybe m$ will change their minds and they will give us back some power features, customisation and compatibility with WM6.5. After all, WP7 core is still windows CE based so it is just an artificial and arbitrary tie up.
They ditched all the easy access for a UI that's not terrible without a stylus. Fair trade in my opinion. I like 6.5 but I didn't like building up my hd2 with custom everything before I could call it functional. Complain about c & p all you want I never used it. I did however use the keyboard, the menus, the dialer, the SMS programs, email integration, etc. None of which could be considered useful if even functional on 6.5. I'll take an os i don't have to mod to make it awesome over one i can mod in a number of ways any time.