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Best WM6 ROM

Right now i have Faria's "the real thing", is there a better ROM out there right now, like his new kitchen ROM? I am still new to the whole flashing thing and "the real thing" was my first time flashing a ROM and all, so i prefer to not switch unless its a really good change. Plus the kitchen ROM seems kinda confusing to do. So are there any suggestions about a better ROM for my SIM and CID unlocked G3 T-Mobile US Wizard?
PS: sorry its not a poll, to lazy to do it

xplore 2.0

Isn't that still a beta, so wouldnt it have a lot of problems? I also would like to know if by changing WM6 ROM would i have to reinstall of my software and stuff?

Hold on! How could you have flashed before and not know the answer to that question yourself? Yes, it will wipe all your data and flash your phone to whatever the cooker made it to be.
Make sure you know what you're doing, do a little more reading first.

I knew it would delete it, but i thought that might just be WM5 to WM6 and if you just change WM6 to WM6 it wouldnt do it, but thanks for confirmation. Do u have a reccomendation for another ROM or should i just stick with "the real thing"?

Hey I just switched from farias real rom to xplore 1.1 and I have to say, I am been very pleased with the switch, and even more excited about xplore 2.0.
If you really don't want to flash your phone too many times in the future, I would hold out for xplore 2.0 to come out (hopefully should be out by the end of the week) and flash that.
For keeping your software and information, of course you can use activesync to get some of your programs back up, farias rom I believe came with PIM Backup (if not get it), which allows you to restore your text messages and call logs and such.
One thing to note... Xplore is alot clean rom than farias. By that I mean there isn't alot of extra stuff installed on it from start. 2.0 will definitely be designed that way as well (super clean). So take note of farias real rom post and programs you use a bit on it, because your probably want to go search for the cab files after you flash.

killerkhatiby009 said:
Isn't that still a beta, so wouldnt it have a lot of problems? I also would like to know if by changing WM6 ROM would i have to reinstall of my software and stuff?
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For anichillus beta means - Well, have to test.
But there are only 2 liitle bugs to be solved and then it is readdy. Because Xplore1.1 was even good.

So your saying xplore 2.0 over faria's new kitchen ROM? Do u know when xplore 2.0 the final version is coming out?

killerkhatiby009 said:
So your saying xplore 2.0 over faria's new kitchen ROM? Do u know when xplore 2.0 the final version is coming out?
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I say my opinion - nothing over another. Just I prefer this clean base ROM.
Won´t take long. Just read the end of the Xplore 2.0 thread. There are only two more bugs.

What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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Clean means - nothing included. No apps, no customizings, no tweaks.
YOu can add all by your own. but if you would like to start a little eaysier.
Try Xplore 1.1

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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nevermind )

Clean typically means that it is stripped down of added programs and unnecessary items. A lot of the rom cookers are trying to come up with clean (also labeled vanilla) roms so that people can start cooking their own roms with a really good base to start off. I haven't tried farias rom that is included with the kitchen yet... but if its made by faria, its going to be good.
One thing to note about roms, is there isn't necessarily one thats better than another. Every rom is made for a purpose and to the cookers liking. One might be blazing fast with a crap load of free ram, while another one might be set up with alot of tweaks and programs that are more to your liking. With the kitchens that have been created, and the good amount of base roms coming out, we should see a lot of custom roms in the next couple of months.
My best suggestion, look at whats in the roms. Most roms have their own thread that lists what programs are included, and a lot times unique aspects of their rom.

killerkhatiby009 said:
What does it mean for a ROM to be "clean"? and what are the advantages of it being "clean"? Also is it the same thing as a ROM being Vanilla? Im still kinda new to the whole Flashing ROMs and stuff.
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Clean and Vanilla basically mean the same thing. It means they are "plain". Nothing added to them, so they don't have all sorts of extra programs built into them or anything. The idea is to give you more memory and storage space, and hopefully make it run faster. Then you can add programs you want to it.
I've used XPlore 1.1 and now Faria Vanilla (both Beta version and now one I "cooked" with the ROM Kitchen but not adding anything to it yet beyond what was in the choices of the default kitchen options). Both ROMs are very fast and I honestly can't say I prefer one over the other. I'm sticking with the Faria one now though as (for some reason) to me it just feels solid (but I can't tell you why XPlore 1.1 didnt' feel that way to me). There are LOTS of people that swear by the XPlore roms and 2.0 looks to be very nice. But for now I'll stay with the Faria one (and may look at cooking up some of the things I use into the rom directly with the included kitchen so I have my own version of it that fits me).
If you want to try the Faria Vanilla, you have to download the entire kitchen, and then under the devwiz directory, there is a flashrom directory. You can run the Updater in there, and you will have the basic Faria Vanilla (clean) WM6 without messing with the kitchen itself.
Otherwise install XPlore 1.1 (or wait for 2.0)... You'll be happy either way (i'm guessing).
BTW: Don't forget there is also NotTooSmart's WM6 which is good, NoBigDeal (NBD) which gets good reviews, and WM6 Business Edition (also getting good reviews). Read the first post of each of the threads to see what is in the rom (or missing from it) and decide what fits you best. They all basically are the same beyond that (without getting technical).

The X-Plore 2.0 Rom is scheduled for a hopeful release date of next week.
In the name of our lord(s) let us pray...
Lol j/k
Anyway I have to agree with some of the posters above I absolutrly love 1.1. And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me. It varies depending on your tastes. Like I prefer a nice clean rom that already has the tweaks installed so I don't have to. That kkinda thing. Some people like their roms preloaded with a stuffload of apps. Ya know.

aestivalisakito said:
Anyway I have to agree with some of the posters above I absolutrly love 1.1. And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me.
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Not to go off topic and not to start a "this rom is better than that rom" war, but I'm just curious about a statement like this (yes I know its an over exageration but still)... If you are going to claim that something is "the best rom ever created" can you also state what roms that have been created that you have tested before making this statement? I try to be clear when I post that I've tried this rom or that rom before I state this is my favorite, or fits my needs, or whatever by giving examples of other roms I've tried. But without knowing what roms you have tried before you claim something is "the best" I have no basis to know what you think its better than (other than it just works and you don't plan on switching to another rom now).
Again, this isn't an attempt to bait a rom war, but I like to be able to know what people have tried in the past and what they now really like based on their past history of other roms (I've seen some people that in one post say they just flashed from WM5 to a custom rom, then in another post claim that rom is better than any other rom out there. I like seeing people excited about great roms, but lets keep it in perspective to what they have tried before the one they now claim is the greatest).
Also, as aestivalisakito even points out, what one person wants is not what someone else may want, so its all personal opinion based on that person's needs (which also usually isn't known).

While I am going to ignore the fact that your messenge seems to be dripping with sarcasm however I could be wrong. Believe it or nolt I have tested Most of farias roms, and also some of the older ones. I have successfully flashed my wizard over 22 times with 9 different roms.
Now that having been said I DID state ''thats just me'' because that's what it is. I also stated that it all depends on your taste of roms and that you have to try multiple. I will state this again:
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And I have to agree it is by far the best rom ever created. That just me. It varies depending on your tastes. Like I prefer a nice clean rom that already has the tweaks installed so I don't have to. That kkinda thing. Some people like their roms preloaded with a stuffload of apps.
BTW just kidding about the sarcasm

Right now IMO the fastest rom is BE rom and

Underground
Having tested them ALL when they came out
>>>>> Always went back to UNDERGROUND !
Cheers
hrb

installing apps vs cooking
hey guys, maybe someone can enlighten me.I think i've read somewhere that cooking ur own rom (in terms of adding ur own apps) causes a lesser RAM consumption than installing the apps.
What i'm trying to ask is..if I have a vanilla ROM,is it true that by cooking that ROM and adding the apps that i want,i'll end up with a rom that will consume less RAM in comparison to -> a vanilla ROM and installing all those apps (instead of cooking)?...
I've read someone say it is so but if it's true, how much of a difference really? thanks!

What Wizard Wm6 Rom Do U Think Is Best?

I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!

and the dumbest post award goes to ....

charly_mx said:
and the dumbest post award goes to ....
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Is this really necessary?
waleed786 said:
I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!
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If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.

dharvey4651 said:
Is this really necessary?
If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.
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Very true,the best ever Rom I have tried so far and specially the 10mb ppool

I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy

I use XM6r3, it has given me no problems at all. I have tried many other roms and felt this was the best for my needs. Are there faster roms? I did like tnt, I tried a couple different builds (including touchflo which I don't care for) and after configuring and installing all my normal things, XM6r3 seemed to run faster. Available memory was almost =. I do like some of the bug fixes TNT has.
You think your question should be easy to answer, but really your asking what is the best car manufacturer, who has the best tasting beer. In time you will find one you like. I initially flashed my brains out with everything I could get my usb cable on, but now, I just want something that gets it done.
Jeff

ADB100 said:
I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy
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What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.

Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?

waleed786 said:
Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?
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The best thing that you can do for yourself is simply read up on everything involved with your wizard first. Is it unlocked? Is it G3 or G4? Does it have an IPL and SPL higher then 2.XX ? Please don't answer these questions to me. I am simply giving you some things to follow up on in your research, so that you can avoid ending up with a Brick.
Personally I have been using my own cooked Cross bred version, although I really like the look of It's Right 1933. I may have to cross breed something there.
Good Luck

dharvey4651 said:
What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.
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Nothing too major. I modified a few .RGU files to remove some settings I don't like (Wireless on the Today screen is one I can think of), replaced the various TNT skin customisations with the default ones, replaced the Calc1 with the original Calculator, removed the themes and added my own, customised my own 'Office Mobile' folder, added battery status with my own settings, removed some unused applications and replaced them with some of my own. I replaced some of the included packages with the same ones I have that I have had continued sucess with - i.e. the various media related packages that all have reliance on certain codecs and system files that everyone seems to have issues with (Audio Manager, Voice Recorder, Streaming Media, Camera & MMS). I also included my Personal Stuff and locale settings in a custom .RGU file as well as changed the Autorun stuff to launch my own extended ROM. Oh and I have my own custom splash screens (which it took me a while to get installed and it really pi$$ed me off when I used to install a new ROM and these got overwritten..... )
Basically when I flash my ROM (or hard reset) there are minimal changes that I need to make and no software to manually install to get it back the way I like it (my VoIP settings, a Certificate and TT get installed from my extended ROM).
I am currently using the 'HyperCore' kitchen but have used others with similar results. Using the HyperCore you must follow the instructions since it is easy to miss a step and end up with a partially 'dead' Wizard.
HTH
Andy

Starting this thread was a bad idea. Sorry I didn't saw it yesterday
Reasons :
[*]This has been posted too many times before.
[*]The "Best ROM" for you is the one YOU like most. You'll have to try a few on your own to figure out which one works best for you.
[*]Everybody will give you different answers so you won't get much out of it.
[*]ROMs don't act the same on all devices. One ROM that works perfect on my device it might not work the same on yours or any other one here. You don't trust me ? Do a benchmark on your PDA..then ask someone else to do a benchmark on his PDA with same ROM and you'll see differences.
In case that didn't convinced you, here's a small list of similar threads :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263035
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339408
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335642
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334439
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333120
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306917
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330668
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324876
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324156
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323397
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319941
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317901
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316778
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314646
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312774
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310934
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309041
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307870
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295777
...
The list can continue. "This is but a fraction of the monster..."

After removing bloatware with hard reset, why swap to a "cooked" ROM? Benefits?? :)

After removing bloatware with hard reset, why swap to a "cooked" ROM? Benefits??
First of all, I would like to say Hi to everyone here at XDA, this is a really cool sight. I just purchased my first windows mobile phone, ATT Tilt, and right away decided to do the hard reset and then soft reset to get rid of that horrible AT&T Bloatware.
From here there, I am uncertain as to if I want to swap to a different rom.
Honestly, I am a bit of a newb, and other than making the UI different, are there really any benefits to swapping to a "cooked" ROM? Do i stand the chance of getting performance gains? Are there any custom ROMS out there that are more stable than the ATT ROM? Are they any "must have" features that are only available on custom ROMS?
Sorry if i am asking dumb question, but i really want to get the most out of this phone, and am basically just curious. I see that a lot of people really enjoy modding their mobile devices and I think it is something that I may enjoy too.
Thanks,
Darth

Removing 3 programs or stopping the initial install is not removing bloatware!
Why flash to a cooked Rom...........
The cooking process allows for further stripping of the Rom
Cooked Roms are tweaked for performance & stability
Cooked Roms are the way to go...these factory Roms don't even come close.
What would you rather have..a stock Mustang or a Shelby?
If you picked a Shelby, you're hooked before your 1st flash!

Thats what i had hoped to hear....I guess its time to do some more research.....and reading here on XDA.
Thanks!

Darth Tater said:
Thats what i had hoped to hear....I guess its time to do some more research.....and reading here on XDA.
Thanks!
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My reason.... I hate all those useless icons on my screen, more memory is more room to load the .cab's I really like, and much simpler to find things when you go into the directories.
I assume if you pick the ROM with everthing loaded, it may even run faster from the ROM, but don't know ROM memory speed vs. Main memory speed is that different (or for that matter SD memory speed).
I loaded Alex's v5.1 lite, very clean, works great, easy to load, very happy with it. I think the other ROM's are probably good also, this one fit me best. Alex has done a great job with documentation, which made it easier for me to decide.
btw - you didnt ask, but my favorite apps to add are; Slingplayer, Coreplayer/TCPMP, and Google Maps.

Darth Tater said:
Thats what i had hoped to hear....I guess its time to do some more research.....and reading here on XDA.
Thanks!
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As a FLASHing icebreaker....try this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348522

The performance gain you'll notice right away is the screen rotation speed. ATT's original ROM takes about 3 seconds to rotate even with soft reset before the 3second countdown. Alex's multimedia rom rotates instantly. I havent tried the V5 yet but I got his V4 installed. I have installed over 120mb of software on the memory, not on SD card. The rotation speed still much faster than the original ROM with nothing installed.

Too many ROMS to choose from!

Hi guys,
I'd like to try a custom ROM again, but with the almost 100s available I'd rather ask the question - I'm looking for a normal standard Raphael ROM with just the standard apps on as it came out on the Raphael.
So basicly just a straight dump from Raphael HTC rom to go onto a Kaiser (with the neccesary tweaks of course to make it work). No other personalised apps, schemes, etc etc.
Are there something like this?

You probably can port a ROM from Raphael.

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Hi guys,
I'd like to try a custom ROM again, but with the almost 100s available I'd rather ask the question - I'm looking for a normal standard Raphael ROM with just the standard apps on as it came out on the Raphael.
So basicly just a straight dump from Raphael HTC rom to go onto a Kaiser (with the neccesary tweaks of course to make it work). No other personalised apps, schemes, etc etc.
Are there something like this?
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Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!

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Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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He could also look at -G-'s SE TL ROM. Gives about the same functionality as TF3D but is usable on daily basis

http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php

dashmaster1000 said:
Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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you forgot anryls roms

msd24200 said:
you forgot anryls roms
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Right, my bad! I guess I should have just said try them all! All the ROMs here are works of art!

dashmaster1000 said:
Well seeing as how the Raphael has TF3D, that narrows your search down to about 2 ROMS L26 V4 or -G-'s SE TF3D! But if you are looking for simple and easy for daily use without alot of tweaking you are not going to want TF3D! I would go with -G-'s SE TF2D or Hyperdragon Raphael build! You are going to get alot of suggetions because ROMs are different for each person, the easy thing to do is ask but the best thing to do is try them out and gain valuable exp for yourself!
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Or the ROM I'm currently using. Or just do like we did and try them, everyone's opinion here is definitely different. YMMV

flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep

stylez said:
flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep
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ROFL!! Right, once you pop you cant stop!

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ROFL!! Right, once you pop you cant stop!
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There should be some sort of goverment guidelines for flashing, there is but not in this variety

stylez said:
There should be some sort of goverment guidelines for flashing, there is but not in this variety
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Yea, I get strange looks from my girl when I tell her I have been flashing all day!

Guys,
actually, have you paid attention to your programme memory of all those different roms. I found dutty's last one has the most programme memory 95M which I think was the reason why it is so fast and stable..
what do you think?

NooWay said:
Guys,
actually, have you paid attention to your programme memory of all those different roms. I found dutty's last one has the most programme memory 95M which I think was the reason why it is so fast and stable..
what do you think?
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95mb not free but overall right?
this because have 6mb poolpage with this way have more mb free.. but is not so fast than dynamic pagepool

There are two types of people here, those that like flashing new ROMs every chance they get, and if I were a psychiatrist, I would diagnose those with ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder candidates), and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
So which person are you? do you intend to flash often for the sake of flashing or you just want one that has most user programs and looks somewhat good? OK ... let us know and we'll guide you then toward the "Ultimate" ROM that would satisfies your curiosity and fits your personality.

To be honest, I've tried all Dutty's, L26, Hyperdragon, PDACorner, Garmin (3 editions) and I'm still unable to choose one !
When he was active Dutty was the best, but now all these ROMs are just beautiful, and I've been flashing for a couple of days, and still unable to make my choice.
It becomes frustrating at the end, because our Chefs are so great that they release a new ROM each week...
As someone said before (forgot who, sorry)
"You're like a kid in a candy shop".

asfoor said:
...and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
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Hehe, very true! I've done the ROM hopping on the Kaiser and previous Vox, but is now more after the stable quick easy-to-use one ;-) Hence i actually moved back to a standard HTC ROM (but there's still that customization side that needs tickling...)
Thanks for the replies so far.. I'll the ones mentioned.

stylez said:
flash, flash, flash no sleep needed you will find the rom you like, then sleep
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I always tend to flash that rom too, and then the cycle starts over again flashing over and over again. I can't go a weak without trying something different!
Jason

stoutseun said:
Hehe, very true! I've done the ROM hopping on the Kaiser and previous Vox, but is now more after the stable quick easy-to-use one ;-) Hence i actually moved back to a standard HTC ROM (but there's still that customization side that needs tickling...)
Thanks for the replies so far.. I'll the ones mentioned.
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I got my tilt about 3 months ago, and have been flashing constantly! Yet to find the right one for me! All of them are good, but not perfect for me. And I dont want to cook, cuz I am too lazy! So I will keep flashing, but finding a perfect ROM is never going to happen!!

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There are two types of people here, those that like flashing new ROMs every chance they get, and if I were a psychiatrist, I would diagnose those with ADD ( Attention Deficit Disorder candidates), and those that want a stable ROM that they would show it off to their friends, and keep it for a long time; a ROM that is reliable and fast and has many programs. The first type of people are adventurous however when they flash a new ROM, and if it glitches a bit, they get frustrated and wished they would have stayed with their previous ROM. BUT they go on and try other ROMs for hopes they come across one that is even better than their previous one they liked.
So which person are you? do you intend to flash often for the sake of flashing or you just want one that has most user programs and looks somewhat good? OK ... let us know and we'll guide you then toward the "Ultimate" ROM that would satisfies your curiosity and fits your personality.
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I wouldn't completely classify myself in the first category, as I know quite what I want and I know it isn't there yet. I love M3D roms and I do enjoy packing it full of features and everything. I have run L26's M3D rom for a while, and I just tried -G-'s for a day yesterday. But then many times those roms have enough issues pop up that make the phone basically unusable, and then I will back track to either a M2D rom, or even a HTC Home rom just for speed, stability, and in the case of the HTC Home roms, flawless landscape support. Then after a week or two, I start looking at the M3D roms again, hoping that there have been some fixes and work arounds and I start trying it again, and the cycle goes again!
And for what you mentioned about wishing to put the previous rom on there...Norton Ghost would be a great product for these phones!
Jason

Ok...So I got the TP2 for Sprint and I need to start modding

I don't have the knowledge of what I need to do to my phone before I start all this
I just got a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 and it has WM 6.1. Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
I want to get the most out of this phone and do all the cool tweaking and stuff.
I also want to beable to do the upgrades on the ppcmods website
They weren't working for me for some reason(can't tell what version of Manila I have)
anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know. I don't want to mess up my phone or break it so this is why I'm asking.
thanks in advance

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Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
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Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
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What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
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Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
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I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
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Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
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anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know
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Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.

ohyeahar said:
Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.
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thanks!
is says in the about section
touchflo3d 2.1.38416.1
what are some of the Official Roms that are pretty cool? I think I want to go the official route...is Max Manila official?
Also..I did read a few stickies....but how long does "flashing" take. I get calls throughout the day so I can't just not have a phone for a few hours. If I mess up how can I backtrack to fix it?
I just wish there was someone I knew that knows how to do all this stuff and let him do it but I will try this myself...probably wait till this weekend that I way I have some stuff planned out
Also...I like 6.1 and I think I'm just gonna stick with that

so I guess I need to flash my rom to get the right version of manila
what are some of of the "official" roms out there?

Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. For example, if you read you will find out that flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects (and if you read, you will know that you should never do this) -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
Have fun if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM and DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM IF YOU ARE UNSURE.

JohnnyFucknuts said:
Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. Flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
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I def wont be flashing a verizon rom to sprint.
is there no custom cdma roms?
I guess I have alot of reading to do because I want to make sure I don't mess my phone up..lol
not afraid to ask questions....just don't know the right questions...haha
I seem to be clueless on the phone stuff even though I'm a whiz at the computer

to tell you the truth...i like the way it is right now...i just want to beable to change the slidebar, background, clock, take the curtains off the top and bottom of the today screen and add lots and lots of cool aps
but to do that I need manila 2.5 and right now i think i have 2.1
If there was a way to get this without having to flash that would be great but I don't think there is a way to.
It would be nice to beable to have some of my fav aps on the today page but it's not a big deal...i can just hit Start and it takes me to a good enough page

Here are some helpful links:
Hard SPL : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Hard SPL allows you to unlock your phone for flashing custom ROMs. This does not unlock your radio (which is something you probably wont mess with yet, link below).
SIM Radio unlock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578642
Custom ROMs sorted by most popular: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98&daysprune=30&order=desc&sort=views
You can use any of these, be careful downloading the ones on XDA as they are mainly GSM roms and can brick your device. Read each ROM page carefully to find one that is right for you. I currently use MightyRom and it works great for my needs. Very stable and responsive.
Flashing the phone generally wont take long, my first time it was probably around 25-30 minutes at most. Also, i'm not sure how its done on sprint but I had to call vzw and get a unique activation code, until then I could not make calls (but I could receive them still). Take a look at this video for some tips for flashing your phone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7CPM3yeUk
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Just saw your second post, check out these links:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tf3d.htm
Also, there are two different versions. tf3d is one and the other is sense UI. More info here:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.

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http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.
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I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders

Ben6485 said:
I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders
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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab

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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab
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cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock

Ben6485 said:
cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock
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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.

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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.
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oh..they're will be questions
right now all I need to know is the approximate time it takes to flash it....as in
how long will I not beable to get calls...that way I can pick the best time to do the flash
also...what all do I NEED to save on my phone....I have most stuff(apps, music, pictures) on my miniSD card
I have all my contacts and messages on my Microsoft My Phone app
What is the least buggy ROM?
I was looking at Max Manila(if that's a rom) and it was pretty cool
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4017/ultimate6.jpg
mightyrom is pretty cool too but I wish that some of the apps could be on the today screen
http://i33.tinypic.com/n48cco.png

It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.

burtonsnow8 said:
It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.
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cool...maybe I'll do it sometime on Friday or Saturday when I have nothing to do
if it doesn't take long maybe I'll try out one of the 2.5 ones...then if it's just too buggy I'll check out MightyRom

i'm excited to do this...I wish I could do it 2night
do you recommend to just to do it and follow instructions precisely(after reading it once) or should I read it and about it over and over again(when I have time that is) and then do it this weekend
Edit: NVM...this is alot to read so I'll just make sure I do it right on Saturday
I'll probably get Mightrom Impact..looks cool
but I like the background image of "love"

so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff

Ben6485 said:
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Just keep playing with your phone (while erring on the safe side) and continue learning. Keep searching the forums and reading when you have questions. There are a lot of great themes and apps out there, so don't think you are stuck using sense (although I still enjoy using it from time to time). At the very least you are on your way to really understanding how to make this phone YOUR phone.
Watch the youtube video I posted earlier in this thread, its a great visual way to learn how to flash your phone, and it is done in under 10 minutes.

Ben6485 said:
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Oooh, I'd like to help a little here. I'm also a Sprint user, so here's my cent:
This site is mainly comprised of users that have GSM devices (ATT&T, T-Mobile, and such.) So, I advise you to use this and PPCGeeks as well, since that's sort of a CDMA counter-part to this site. Some knowledge!
- You currently have TF3D 2.1 on the Stock ROM, but when most people compare and ask whether you have 2.5 or 2.1, they are referring to HTC SENSE 2.1 vs. SENSE 2.5. This is because all the other Touch Pro 2 variants have already had the 6.5 upgrade from their carrier, which comes with Sense 2.1. We are supposed to get ours by the end of first quarter of this year (Which leaves by the end of this month.), but Sprint still hasn't specified a date.
- Here's the thread you want to look at for most of your CDMA needs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98
- Here's the thread for unlocking your phone to flash custom ROMs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=93252
-Unlocking your phone is not too hard and the way the peeps have made it, it's pretty much safe. In the second post of the thread in the above link, there is the relocker, if you wish to lock it for warranty purposes. Remember, always flash back to Stock ROM (If you're on a custom one.) THEN re-lock.
- Here's the thread you'll find the original STOCK ROM download, in case you want to flash back to stock after a custom ROM: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=91940
Also, from your last screen-shot of your home screen, you are using tab icons meant for QVGA devices, since they're so small (Of course, the messed up flip-clock, top cutain, and icons, are also a little messed up, haha.). HOPE I helped, and if I mentioned stuff you already knew, maybe someone else can benefit from the info.

Stick- you posted a very nice piece there.
I would also add, try reading up flashing from the ROM card. What I do is place the Stock Sprint ROM there so that I can always go back to stock when needed.
Sometimes some cooks suggest flashing to stock first then a custom ROM especially when moving from one cook's ROM to another ROM.