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[TESTING] ~ Stock 1gb vs. class6 8gb ~ JACxHEROSki, ZeroXD, xROM, CM

ATTN MODS: If this is the wrong forum to post this in let me know if you move it, thanks.
My thread here is purely for entertainment, not for a tutorial or serious info, not to be taken too serious, and not to be pissed on by the masses here on XDA. I respect other's work please respect my hobbies. Many thanks!
I am so bored on this rainy weekend and still can't commit to a build yet so I am testing this build from Twisted and the 1.6r2A build from JAC/CC on the stock 1gb card that came with the phone. Also for reference I am also trying the latest CM and JACx builds as well.
I am comparing my test results to times (fast/lag) and personal feelings using same phone set up, builds, and a 8gb class6 (0-7440/7440-7889/7889-7953) which I think I may have burned out a bit due to constant flashing and reformatting. (It's a Microcenter branded microSDHC that I picked up for like $15 so I could understand if it is starting to fail, but it could just be me ... but anyway ...
Setup:
G1 with last radio and recovery
fat32: 0-500 (500mb)
ext3: 500-952 (452mb)
linux-swap: 952-1016 (64mb)
Every setting: default from build
Will fully set it up all Google, Facebook & Twitter log-ins and shortest allowed refresh time intervals for each.
Homescreen set up, on Hero builds, in order (l-r): Calendar (month), SMS, Twitter, Flipclock (w/weather), Music (full), Footprints (w/6 location tags), Photo Album (40 5mp photos). No stocks - it's the weekend
I will not cross post this to any other thread as it really isn't needed to muck up other's work just to spread the insanity and let you all laugh at me. You have to come here to do that.
Will post updates later.

Casper/ZeroXD
just finished loading, pretty much took same time as 8gb.
Now for the set up.
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That went smoothly. Let it sit for a bit before signing in, then after signing in I let it sit, did a reboot, now going to set up homescreens and settings then a reboot.
Ok, not bad so far, surprised that Hero runs this smoothly on a stock 1gb card.
Last two hours of use results:
2 second lag from 8gb/class6 reboot times - no biggie.
I have had HTC/spinning coming from doing things in email, weather, and peep.
*note: This is in no way a fault of the build as I never had these on a 8gb class6 card.
Browser is responsive and a tad of lag - no biggie
*note: using home WiFi with no compy traffic other than G1
Going to have some dinner and let the phone sit for a bit.
Future tests:
Install a bunch of apps (market/app manager/java)
Charge it up if needed.
Play/use a bunch of .apk/java games/applications
Let it go into sleep while charging overnight
Try it in the morning and see if it isn't as slow as molasses in January
*note: this has always been my issue. sluggish after heavy use/sleepcharge/morning check of email and text (that make sense?)

saved for results #2

Lol foo this is what I did
Exactly the same thing
But however everyone flamed me for doing so
My thread is currently called LSWSE or something like that
And it started with my opinions but now has none of my 2cents in it do to the constant people putting there 2cents
You have to remember every g1 is diffrent so your results differ from everyone elses
So good luck
Oh and here a tip try any memory card with a 96mb swap with swappiness set to 100 its amazing!!
-jf- out

jf4888 said:
... But however everyone flamed me for doing so ...
... You have to remember every g1 is diffrent so your results differ from everyone elses ...
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I know some will flame and I am prepared for that. I am, however, not offering any instructions on setting up, tweaking, editing or cooking for that matter. But I do have a few great fish and pork recipes if ya'll want some - I used to be a "professional" chef. Back on track ... I am only offering my results to my little experiment and that's it.
I am looking for some of these results:
if my good card might be faulting?
if some builds can actually survive on a small low-class sd?
to see if I can get away from the f5 button (twitter, xda) for more than a pee or "grab a cup of coffee" break
if I can actually troubleshoot my phone's issues myself
That is all ... for now.

I'm interested to see your results. Do me a favor when you test xROM. Enable backing swap since you have a linux-swap partition. It didn't make it into the 1.4 build but the 1.5 build will have it enabled by default. I've been helping JAC and Manup with testing and supporting the ROM and JAC asked me to update the user.conf for 1.5.
Don't listen to the [ILTBMOTG]. That means "I like to bump my own thread guy". The "every G1 is different" argument is a weak way of him saying that if he is wrong you can't blame him. There are settings that will give good performance for the vast majority of the people out there. You are just trying to help figure out what those settings are. So don't listen to the flamers and haters. Just be prepared to explain what you did and why you did it and it should be cool. If you just say I tried this setting and it felt fast to me, there is no way to reproduce my resluts no one will take you seriously.

miketaylor00 said:
I'm interested to see your results. Do me a favor when you test xROM. Enable backing swap since you have a linux-swap partition.
Just be prepared to explain what you did and why you did it and it should be cool. If you just say I tried this setting and it felt fast to me, there is no way to reproduce my resluts no one will take you seriously.
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Ok, so, what? ... pm me, if you will, or post it here to help with the user config backing swap. I have yet to dive deep into that other than setting swappiness. I'm sure it's something easy I forgot after all of the thousands of posts I have read. If you'd like me test your 1.5 mod I will be glad to as well.

make sure your results are based mostly on scientific evidence.. i.e. numbers/benchmarks
personal opinions shouldn't be emphasized more than the scientific evidence since that is your personal opinion. in other words, others will think differently.
so yeah.. if you don't make your experiment scientific, there's gonna be a massive flame attackk on this thread.
gl!

poe11371 said:
Ok, so, what? ... pm me, if you will, or post it here to help with the user config backing swap. I have yet to dive deep into that other than setting swappiness. I'm sure it's something easy I forgot after all of the thousands of posts I have read. If you'd like me test your 1.5 mod I will be glad to as well.
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You can use this one. It's basically the same as the 1.4 file with backing swap enabled. For 1.5 I'm still working on it. I want to have backing swap using swap file so that anyone can use it if they have an ext partition. But there appears to be a bug in compcache that isn't letting that happen. I opened an issue with the Compcache project.

kimbokrn said:
make sure your results are based mostly on scientific evidence.. i.e. numbers/benchmarks
personal opinions shouldn't be emphasized more than the scientific evidence since that is your personal opinion. in other words, others will think differently.
so yeah.. if you don't make your experiment scientific, there's gonna be a massive flame attack on this thread.
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What do you recommend for a benchmark application? Free ones only please. This is for fun/hobby not for financial loss/gain. Other than that really just using a stopwatch and a tally on paper (HTC/load screens, fc, ect.)
I have a feeling that some already are taking this too serious, coming from the one reply and the few pms I have gotten thus far. I am only doing this to see if I can get Hero to run to MY G1, to my expectations, with the stock sd card. So please chill before you start to flame me or I will have to ignore this thread and let it die. I am only posting for entertainment purposes. I am not posting this to apply for a doctorate or a tech field position.
I will be doing one favor to test something and that will be kept between the two of us. Knowing some of the ins and outs about tweaking and such I will be doing so when I find the need/desire and that will come later.

I use Benchmark Pi (which screws up your auto-rotate) and another app called benchmark.
I can get about 11.7 seconds on Benchmark Pi using xROM with my settings. I have some top50 times on the Benchmark Pi website. If you took out all of the duplicates from people who try to fill up the list with their name I probably have some in the top 15. And thats with all of my apps, widgets, etc loaded and running.
The other tool gives you a lot more data and is more scientific but it is harder to compare the values. I use them both for different things.

miketaylor00 said:
I use Benchmark Pi (which screws up your auto-rotate) and another app called benchmark.
The other tool gives you a lot more data and is more scientific but it is harder to compare the values. I use them both for different things.
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Mike you are my new baxf (best android-xda friend) ... sorry too cheesy? Thanks for the recommendations. Will dl those now and run test later.

poe11371 said:
Mike you are my new baxf (best android-xda friend) ... sorry too cheesy? Thanks for the recommendations. Will dl those now and run test later.
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I'm always happy to help out. I've done a TON of benchmarking and testing on this stuff. I'm happy to share info with those who want it. I respect people trying to learn. People who pretend like they know what they are talking about and are really making stuff up are another story.

miketaylor00 said:
I'm always happy to help out. I've done a TON of benchmarking and testing on this stuff. I'm happy to share info with those who want it. I respect people trying to learn. People who pretend like they know what they are talking about and are really making stuff up are another story.
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swap_free_notify can't be implemented until we hand merge the swapfile.c in /kernel/mm
sorry, I saw you posting on the compcache thread. hahaha

What? I'm lost. I'm not trying to implement swap free notify. I just want backing swap with swap file. Although it would be cool. Let me know if you want me to test it when you get it compiled.

miketaylor00 said:
What? I'm lost. I'm not trying to implement swap free notify. I just want backing swap with swap file. Although it would be cool. Let me know if you want me to test it when you get it compiled.
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No I know, this thread is just related to compcache, and I had just read your posts, and wanted to make the point - however ambiguous - that compcache isn't going to be as balls to the walls good until we can get the swap_free_notify correct. Something Cyanogen did.

ccyrowski said:
No I know, this thread is just related to compcache, and I had just read your posts, and wanted to make the point - however ambiguous - that compcache isn't going to be as balls to the walls good until we can get the swap_free_notify correct. Something Cyanogen did.
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Ok, that makes sense now. I think JAC is working on getting that working. So hopefully it won't be too long.

miketaylor00 said:
Ok, that makes sense now. I think JAC is working on getting that working. So hopefully it won't be too long.
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Yea he is, we are both working on it. I am, at this very moment, actually.

Getting low benchmark scores on custom rom?

i just downloaded the latest version of android revolution and when i run the benchmark test im only getting a score of 1583 using quadrant standard, when i see people on youtube getting around 1800 with the stock rom.

scottrod said:
i just downloaded the latest version of android revolution and when i run the benchmark test im only getting a score of 1583 using quadrant standard, when i see people on youtube getting around 1800 with the stock rom.
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Quadrant is a waste of time!! You must be new around here. Welcome to XDA. Please be sure to post in the correct forums in the future. Especially when it comes to the dev forum. We need to reserve this specifically for development. I can tell you several ways to bloat your score like they did but it does absolutely nothing for performance.

adamholden85 said:
Quadrant is a waste of time!! You must be new around here. Welcome to XDA. Please be sure to post in the correct forums in the future. Especially when it comes to the dev forum. We need to reserve this specifically for development. I can tell you several ways to bloat your score like they did but it does absolutely nothing for performance.
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yeah sorry i realized it was in the wrong spot after i posted this, and yeah this is my first android phone so im still getting used to modding it.

scottrod said:
yeah sorry i realized it was in the wrong spot after i posted this, and yeah this is my first android phone so im still getting used to modding it.
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No problems man! Things happen. I just wanted to let you know that quadrant really doesn't mean too much anymore with how easy it is to bloat the scores. Hell, a single lib file can add several hundered to your base score. Just base it off of how your device feels. If it feels laggy and you can't figure out why post a question otherwise just enjoy the speed we all bring to you.

Moved to proper forum.

IMO synthetic benchmarks are bs to begin with in any aspect...especially on a "phone"...its not a mainstream gaming rig....lol...just my two cents....shrugs
Regards,
WC

Galaxy 7 Plus Devs.

This may seem like a redundant request but if you are or are GOING to be deving for this device could you post your Twitter or G+ id's here so we can follow your work?
That would be great.

+1 ...we fought for a forum...now no development...kinda disheartening.

I guess I need to get back with it now that I have kernel source...
You could follow me all you want, but you probably won't like where I'll lead. I usually don't bother with twitter, g+, facebook, or any other "social" site. (On the other hand, if you find any anti-social sites, please let me know.)

need to brainwash the tab8.9/10.1 developers to do the custom ROMs for us as well..
btw, what are we looking for in a new custom ROM?
EXT4, i think Samsung already moved to this...
Optimization
- Hardware Acceleration? Already ON by default in Honeycomb, I have done this mod and no difference at all.. it depends on the app to utilize this feature...
Theming ? Once rooted, you can modify the framework files.. should be quite easy, but abit time consuming... and requires creativity...
- Bloat removal? just ROOT and remove those excess fats..

bdigitalstudio said:
need to brainwash the tab8.9/10.1 developers to do the custom ROMs for us as well..
btw, what are we looking for in a new custom ROM?
EXT4, i think Samsung already moved to this...
Optimization
- Hardware Acceleration? Already ON by default in Honeycomb, I have done this mod and no difference at all.. it depends on the app to utilize this feature...
Theming ? Once rooted, you can modify the framework files.. should be quite easy, but abit time consuming... and requires creativity...
- Bloat removal? just ROOT and remove those excess fats..
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My two yr old son plays fruit ninja and the calculator/calendar/etc opens. I bet a lot ofyou experience the same annoyance of the bottom bar mini apps not having the option to hide or lock on games and other apps on fullscren.

I'm not likely to be getting the device but I'm gonna stop by and help out to get things off the ground.
In terms of speed of development, keep in mind this thing "soft launched" in the US - I didn't even know until a few days ago that it was available at all. It's typical for a device to take a few weeks to get off the ground, the I777 was an unusual exception due to being 95%+ identical to the I9100 and being a majorly anticipated handset launch.

I'm going to start on something here soon, buy this will be my first developing for any device, so you prob won't want to follow anything I do, its gonna be slow and buggy
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Bromar said:
its gonna be slow and buggy
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Do you work for microsoft?

Ha u would think
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khel26 said:
My two yr old son plays fruit ninja and the calculator/calendar/etc opens. I bet a lot ofyou experience the same annoyance of the bottom bar mini apps not having the option to hide or lock on games and other apps on fullscren.
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You can use "Honeybar" ROOT from the Android Market. It lets you hide the bar in Honeycomb.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.hanhuy.android.hsbm

garyd9 said:
(On the other hand, if you find any anti-social sites, please let me know.)
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You're already here bro.
Sent from thee Galaxy Tab +

I realize that you are trying to get all the Devs in one spot and thats a great idea in a new forum... however since nothing is being developed here (rom/kernel) Im going to have to move this to the General section.

Red5 said:
I realize that you are trying to get all the Devs in one spot and thats a great idea in a new forum... however since nothing is being developed here (rom/kernel) Im going to have to move this to the General section.
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ugh. next thing you know, he's going to create a "Q&A" forum for us. That's when I'll start running away.

garyd9 said:
ugh. next thing you know, he's going to create a "Q&A" forum for us. That's when I'll start running away.
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If it gets big enough then I will. The Dev thread is for development, not asking questions or asking for people to raise their hand.

Red5 said:
If it gets big enough then I will. The Dev thread is for development, not asking questions or asking for people to raise their hand.
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umm.. but they have to raise their hand in order for you to smell their armpits. How else will you know who is a dev and who isn't? (I think I might have just insulted myself... hrmm)

I just posted this over in the 10.1 community's General section, hopefully someone can help me get started!
Maybe someone here can hep me get the ball rolling as well?
blinksilver said:
Hi all,
I just got my hands on a galaxy tab 7.0 plus and was hoping to build a rom for its community (no one has really built a rom for 7.0, its a small community and we just got CWM).
Ideally I'd like to kang together a stock Honeycomb 3.2 rom, free of touchwiz. I was hoping to port over one of the Google I/O Roms for the 10.1. I figure our devices are close enough that I can try tossing over the build props, make sure to use the boot/recovery images from the 7.0 and maybe, just maybe, get lucky. Or at least have a good start.
The problem is that I can't seem to find any of the Google I/O roms, past 3.1. Do those device not get updates? Is there another Touchwiz free rom I can start from? I remembering reading a while back that TWUX is an optional update for the 10.1. I've been looking around, but I'm have a heck of a time finding links that clearly imply I'm dling a Touchwiz free rom. Most of the just say "Stock" which is a bit ambiguous.
If someone would be kind enough to point me to an ODIN and CWM mod version of the sorta rom I'm looking for I'd be greatly appreciative(and hopefully if I can get this out the door, so will 7.0 community)
Thanks!
-B
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Task Manager on Valhalla CM7 hybrid

okay, as of right now, if you hold down the home button in any ROM on this phone, you'll get the recent apps/Task manager button. The button has no apk linked to it so if you hit it, naturally, it will give you a force close error
however the easy fix to this is to take it from any SGS4g rom with it in there.
Just copy jobmanager.apk to your /system/app folder via any root enabled file explorer. and then you're done
I still can't post in the developer thread, so I thought i'd post this here.
Edit: If task manager and that button is absolutely essential, here is a quick fix, however it will produce a memory leak, and that's why the apk was removed in the first place, so do this at your own risk!

Task Manager was removed because of memory leak issues. I know it's a lot to read but it was mentioned in the Valhalla Black thread.

read the op its been spelled out and answered neurmous times if u can find the rom and the downmload link u can sure as **** read that the task manager was removed... sorry to be an ass but really

Is this memory leak across all roms with task manager or only yours?
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Somairotevoli said:
Is this memory leak across all roms with task manager or only yours?
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10 chr

As raver said, all rom which is why I made Task Manager a non-essential app on the debloater so that it gets removed by default.

I never experienced this so called leak. will be doing some Googling and see what I can find.
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Somairotevoli said:
I never experienced this so called leak. will be doing some Googling and see what I can find.
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While you're at it look up "Define: memory leak"

I don't think you were being an ass, thanks for clarifying this. I didn't even see anything about a memory leak. I just thought you removed it because of it being a samsung apk which you removed.
Sorry for posting this, it's just I found that the task manager button freezes the phone. I apologize.

The only problem is that you now have a button that gives you a FC window.
Would it be too difficult to modify the window to remove the button and add more recent apps?

I know what a memory leak is. I don't need google to define it for me. I also can only speak from my own experience and also from what I have searched. I have found nothing about touchwiz task manager and memory leak. I have also never seen it myself. I use task manager throughout the day mostly to kill some troublesome apps, such as dood's music. I've never had memory issues nor have I've come across others in this forum with them. Please enlighten me and point me to some sources. I will eat my hat. Also in fairness to the OP, ravers OPs did not state that TM was removed and why. Also that thread is huge. I see many posts telling others not to clutter up the thread with issues such as these and to make their own post. When they do they are chastised. When we share something, we should be prepared for all issues, questions and excitement. If it's too much to bare, maybe limit our betas to a select group.
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mituzora said:
I still can't post in the developer thread, so I thought i'd post this here.
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Please, even when you are able to post in the development forums, DON'T!
Unless you develop something and want to share it.
This is the right forum for these kinds of threads.
Other then this, I think you did a good thing with this thread.
Hopefully it will stop a lot of people from cluttering raver's thread with this specific issue.

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Please enlighten me and point me to some sources. I will eat my hat. Also in fairness to the OP, ravers OPs did not state that TM was removed and why. Also that thread is huge. I see many posts telling others not to clutter up the thread with issues such as these and to make their own post. When they do they are chastised. When we share something, we should be prepared for all issues, questions and excitement. If it's too much to bare, maybe limit our betas to a select group.
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Hi man - that's not cool - show the man some respect, he is investing a lot(and I mean A LOT) of his free(yes he is not getting paid for that) to bring us awesome stuff - so even if you think his is wrong don't be such a cynical...
And just my guess - if Raver removed it due to his findings(memory leaks) , I don't think he did it for nothing....
About the problem where you press the home and get FC because there is no app... I think that in order to set the binded app that will be launched on press you should edit something in /system/usr/keyboard/melfas_touchkey.kl but I don't know exactly what to change it to(and any how I'm not sure that's the right solution)
Don't take it personally but It's sad to see the misrespect our Devs are getting around here - and if you didn't meant it that way - I'm taking my words back.
BR
Alon

lol. i was just going to suggest binding it to a different apk. or renaming one to match the current setup. lol

Somairotevoli said:
I know what a memory leak is. I don't need google to define it for me. I also can only speak from my own experience and also from what I have searched. I have found nothing about touchwiz task manager and memory leak. I have also never seen it myself. I use task manager throughout the day mostly to kill some troublesome apps, such as dood's music. I've never had memory issues nor have I've come across others in this forum with them. Please enlighten me and point me to some sources. I will eat my hat. Also in fairness to the OP, ravers OPs did not state that TM was removed and why. Also that thread is huge. I see many posts telling others not to clutter up the thread with issues such as these and to make their own post. When they do they are chastised. When we share something, we should be prepared for all issues, questions and excitement. If it's too much to bare, maybe limit our betas to a select group.
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taken from op chainlog
Version alpha 0- 50 percent stock 2.3.6 50 percent 2.3.7 cyanogenmod hybrid rom
Rebuilt libs form source dsp overhaul video overhaul de touch wized working progress (notice rom size change)
Fixed mms issues. FIxed kernel reboot issue
fixed memory management - & Removed Task Manager
removed 80 percent of all the bloat
hybrid rom still part stock moving to full cm7 in later updates
Cm7 theme doesnt work atm
Metamorth does work
tons of bugfixes

Somairotevoli said:
I know what a memory leak is. I don't need google to define it for me. I also can only speak from my own experience and also from what I have searched. I have found nothing about touchwiz task manager and memory leak. I have also never seen it myself. I use task manager throughout the day mostly to kill some troublesome apps, such as dood's music. I've never had memory issues nor have I've come across others in this forum with them. Please enlighten me and point me to some sources. I will eat my hat. Also in fairness to the OP, ravers OPs did not state that TM was removed and why. Also that thread is huge. I see many posts telling others not to clutter up the thread with issues such as these and to make their own post. When they do they are chastised. When we share something, we should be prepared for all issues, questions and excitement. If it's too much to bare, maybe limit our betas to a select group.
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You guys are getting better and better at pushing developers away from this "DEVELOPER" forum. Good Job!

I really do apoligize guys. i really enjoy your work, and use it daily. I'm glad I didn't post this in the developer forum now. i really appreciate all of the devs' work on this phone, and do not want to see them go.
however I was thinking the same as the other guy who posted about changing the button, or removing it.
again, i do apoligize for my noobishness, and apoligize for not completely reading through raver. but how about we change gears no?

bhundven said:
You guys are getting better and better at pushing developers away from this "DEVELOPER" forum. Good Job!
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Not to mention pushing regular users away.... I find myself reading these forums less and less often due to the lack of educated users (or lack of effort to at least try and find the answer themselves)... Unfortunately I'm not experienced with the inner workings of android so I can't be of much help to bhundven and the other developers working to get us a new kernel/cm7/miui/etc other than testing.

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Not to mention pushing regular users away.... I find myself reading these forums less and less often due to the lack of educated users (or lack of effort to at least try and find the answer themselves)... Unfortunately I'm not experienced with the inner workings of android so I can't be of much help to bhundven and the other developers working to get us a new kernel/cm7/miui/etc other than testing.
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Neither am I, and that's why I'm glad we have the amazing developers we have on here. without them i would truly be lost and my phone would still be stuck in stock so...
i never meant any disrespect, just to point something out. which my mistake, was already pointed out.
I'm educated in android phones, but not the inner workings like our devs, so honestly, I respect you guys, because you take our sh*t all the time.

the issue is its not that i cant remove the button i gotta find where its at so it doesn't display it when u hit the home button.

What are you guys going?

Everyone is always saying Franco kernel is so Much better but I've flash R16 and it was terrible, it was sluggish and battery was worse. Just flashed R18 and straight away I could notice it was slower
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What are you guys doing to get such good battery life? Im nearly able to get 4 hours sot. I calibrated the battery and it was brilliant. And now its worse again -.-
Jack*
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I don't mean to go off topic but a thread like this bashing a kernel because you didn't have a good experience is unacceptable. Developers do this out of their free time and as a hobby. I don't see any of you producing your own kernels, its disrespectful to and be harsh about a kernel.
Battery life isn't even a problem when it comes to the OPO as its great out of the box. All battery problems you have are caused by user apps/signals/etc not by the kernel.
24% http://i.imgur.com/83VQN4W.png
1% http://i.imgur.com/RccfKni.png
http://i.imgur.com/xbV5bkd.png
Its your user apps/signal...... the OPO battery isnt a problem regardless of whatever kernel you have. Even with the wakelocks the battery is amazing.

zephiK said:
I don't mean to go off topic but a thread like this bashing a kernel because you didn't have a good experience is unacceptable. Developers do this out of their free time and as a hobby. I don't see any of you producing your own kernels, its disrespectful to and be harsh about a kernel.
Battery life isn't even a problem when it comes to the OPO as its great out of the box. All battery problems you have are caused by user apps/signals/etc not by the kernel.
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Its your user apps/signal...... the OPO battery isnt a problem regardless of whatever kernel you have. Even with the wakelocks the battery is amazing.
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Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....

nathlynn22 said:
Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....
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riedlZ said:
I can't really see the bashing here. Just giving back my personal opinion about a kernel to a user who seems to had the same problems with it (and I'm glad that he posted about that because I thought there was something wrong on my end, because i normally read only good feedback about it). None of us said the kernel is sh**, just our experience with it is.
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Of course I tried francos kernel and it was horrible. immediately turned back to stock.
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Thats pretty bashful there. All I'm saying is that if they were giving feedback then they should present it in a manner that isn't deemed offensive towards a particular kernel or even ROM. Its not like they've created kernels/roms that are meant to be slow, there are people out there who run particular rom/kernels that are perfectly fine. Some not, but if thats the case then it should be presented in a manner that is more respectable on finding out what is wrong with their phone.
I'm here saying that battery problems are not caused by kernels or a ROM set up. Its caused by user apps / wakelocks / cellular signal. Simply having a post where you just generally say that the kernel is "horrible" or that the kernel was "sluggish and battery was worse" doesn't help either.
Provide screenshots, logs of wakelock stats, where do you encounter lag, etc. Generally the more details the better.
Simply saying that a kernel is "horrible" is opinionated yes, but theres a way of better presenting a user's opinion because thats just outright disrespectful to any developer. Users can express their experiences with a kernel/rom but do it in a respectful manner. Provide more details, ultimately, we're here to help each other. No need to point fingers at X, Y or Z, rather than doing that provide more details so people can help you out.

riedlZ said:
I can't really see the bashing here. Just giving back my personal opinion about a kernel to a user who seems to had the same problems with it (and I'm glad that he posted about that because I thought there was something wrong on my end, because i normally read only good feedback about it). None of us said the kernel is sh**, just our experience with it is.
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You flat out called the kernel "horrible", that's just disrespectful and plain incendiary for users like me who actually know what it is we are doing and who have respect for the kernel, or anybody's work for that matter.
nathlynn22 said:
Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....
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It's just rude to call someone's work "terrible" and "horrible" especially on a site such as this. People devote countless hours to learning and countless more developing and listening to the feedback of others, and a couple of inexperienced users show up and start bashing said effort, yeah it's gonna piss people off...

zephiK said:
Thats pretty bashful there. All I'm saying is that if they were giving feedback then they should present it in a manner that isn't deemed offensive towards a particular kernel or even ROM. Its not like they've created kernels/roms that are meant to be slow, there are people out there who run particular rom/kernels that are perfectly fine. Some not, but if thats the case then it should be presented in a manner that is more respectable on finding out what is wrong with their phone.
I'm here saying that battery problems are not caused by kernels or a ROM set up. Its caused by user apps / wakelocks / cellular signal. Simply having a post where you just generally say that the kernel is "horrible" or that the kernel was "sluggish and battery was worse" doesn't help either.
Provide screenshots, logs of wakelock stats, where do you encounter lag, etc. Generally the more details the better.
Simply saying that a kernel is "horrible" is opinionated yes, but theres a way of better presenting a user's opinion because thats just outright disrespectful to any developer. Users can express their experiences with a kernel/rom but do it in a respectful manner. Provide more details, ultimately, we're here to help each other. No need to point fingers at X, Y or Z, rather than doing that provide more details so people can help you out.
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rickyx32 said:
You flat out called the kernel "horrible", that's just disrespectful and plain incendiary for users like me who actually know what it is we are doing and who have respect for the kernel, or anybody's work for that matter.
It's just rude to call someone's work "terrible" and "horrible" especially on a site such as this. People devote countless hours to learning and countless more developing and listening to the feedback of others, and a couple of inexperienced users show up and start bashing said effort, yeah it's gonna piss people off...
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Hmmm. I don't no then. In my opinion I've never had the opportunity to use Franco kernel or ak. I've not got round to trying it on OPO yet. It is down to user apps though I understand that.

Bad idea. Please don't open up a thread bashing a developer's work. If you think you can do better, please do so and stop bad mouthing the kernel. No one's forcing you to use anything. Make more meaningful contributions other than complaining about what doesn't work for you.
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