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New Radio version: 02.47.11

I just finish to download the new radio version for our devices. I can not tell you my impressions about the new radio version, but you can download in Wiki, placed on a folder.

couple of questions on the Radio ROM
1. It looks like it is a G4 Radio ROM. Will it work on the G3 version? If not, where can I find the latest Radio ROM for the G3 version?
2. Does it enable Blackberry Connect support on the Prophet by any chance?
Thanks.

Isn't this the Radio ROM from the Wizard? There is a topic in the Prophet part of the forum that discusses this..
I thought the latest original Radio version for the Prophet was 2.30.21.
I also tried the 2.47.11 on my Prophet. Reception was better, but battery life was drammatic

Wizard, Tornado, Prophet, Oxygen, Artemis, Excalibur:
all these models are based on pretty much same platform.
Latest Radio ( GSM firmaware) for these devices that I am aware of is:
GSM 2.67.90
Just thought that I will let you this know.

Yes I noticed that the reception is much better but at cost of the battery duration. Let me still making more tests about these new Radio.

my radio rom is 2.19.21 how and and how I would get the newst stable?q

The cost is very expensive, at least for me. Just one night, without calls, or touch the Prophet full charge and in the morning the batery meter is almost 26 % less !!!!!!!! Guauuuuu! is to much, you don't think so?
Let me still testing.

Yeah, I already tried this radio rom on my S200 and it drains a lot of batt. I don't recommend it to anyone...
I revert to the other radio rom that is floating around here, but I think that also drains a little more that the official ones....

so which radio rom version we/I should use? And where can I download?

I foud something is not right. When I like to turn the device on, (right button) to make a call phone or make a consult or whatever, the device is dead, so I have to make a soft reset. That's pass me very often, so I decide to revert to other radio version, I mean, to 02.30.21.
My impression about this Radio Version:
Pros: Better signal in all aspect.
Contra: Battery duration, inestable.
So, end of my private testing.

ok. this is something that I would like to check:
The standby mode power consumption is 21mA which it doesn't meet the spec.(but if pressing the key lock into
standby mode, the power consumption is 2.1mA.)
please keep your keypad locked at all the time and see if that will improve battery life.
I wish that I could explain better
this should be valid for all devices with this radio. not only for wizard.
Thanks.

SecureGSM said:
ok. this is something that I would like to check:
The standby mode power consumption is 21mA which it doesn't meet the spec.(but if pressing the key lock into
standby mode, the power consumption is 2.1mA.)
please keep your keypad locked at all the time and see if that will improve battery life.
I wish that I could explain better
this should be valid for all devices with this radio. not only for wizard.
Thanks.
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Hello,
I use a prophet whith an older radio 02.30.11.
Do you mean that when you lock the keyboard from the today plugin, the consumption is less?
I tried it today for the whole day and now I have 80% from 100% this morning which is very good! Is it because of the locking?
edit: BTW, how did you measure your consumption?

I tested this radio ROM long time ago when it was first posted here. But I changed back to 02.30.21 after one day.
It was a terrible experience, the device automatically reset during conversations very often. One day, I had to reset the prophet for more than 10 times!!!!!
So, I went back to 02.30.21 right away. And I also warned others not to install this radio ROM in this forum, too. I can not believe you guys are still so brave to take the risk.

@andrew_sh
Do you mean that when you lock the keyboard from the today plugin, the consumption is less?
Yes, that is correct. this bug present in 02.47.xx radio and is fixed in later radios.
I tried it today for the whole day and now I have 80% from 100% this morning which is very good! Is it because of the locking?
Good! I have same result on all my test devices.
edit: BTW, how did you measure your consumption?
I have not meassured it myself. Information in bold is per ... technical documentation

SecureGSM said:
Wizard, Tornado, Prophet, Oxygen, Artemis, Excalibur:
all these models are based on pretty much same platform.
Latest Radio ( GSM firmaware) for these devices that I am aware of is:
GSM 2.67.90
Just thought that I will let you this know.
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What about the 2.67.90 rom?
Has anyone installed it on a prophet?
Any results?

@andere_sh
2.67.90 is fine on Excalibur, Oxygen and Artemis..Really. much better than 2.47.xx

SecureGSM said:
@andere_sh
2.67.90 is fine on Excalibur, Oxygen and Artemis..Really. much better than 2.47.xx
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Can it be downloaded from somewhere ?
Cheers
hrb

I'm back to radio version 2.30.21 and everything going like a charm, fantastic.

were can I download for my prophet 2.30.21?Mine is still running:
2.19.21

You can find that Radio ROM on the FTP Or use the search...

Radio Rom Poll

Hello guys.I thought that,it would be nice to have a poll,about radio roms.Please choose your Radio Rom,and tell if you had problems with the other ones...

2.69.21 is the best radio rom so far... 2.21.xx or lower was good... but anyting between 2.21.xx and 2.69.21 did not work fine on my Qtek S200 G3... with those roms, I got "phone not ready" problem

I didn't notice any differences beween radio roms
so I left 2.47 - the last radio shipped for prophet

the last Radio shipped 2.61
I';m using now 2.69 it it offical? please some one answer where did you get it
I had some broadcast problems in 2.69 but it was from the net work casue I go back to 2.61 and still have them
the problems I didn't recieve any messages from the channels
2.69 is good one as I'm recieving broadcast

Prophet Radio roms & battery leakage WM6 rom--TEST
7 Radio roms tested: 2.07, 2.19, 2.20, 2.30, 2.47, 2.61, & 2.69. (Device-Imate JAMin, G3)
WM6 roms used: PDAviet.v.4.0003, TrueNeytral.v.1.4 (Widcomm bluetooth stack+camera4), & TrueNeytral.v.1.4.MS (Microsoft Bluetooth stack, without camera4)
WM5 rom used: I-Mate last official WWE release.
Protocol: Same setup for every test. After each flash to new radio, ck to verify correct ver installed, 1 more soft reset, in comm manager verify speaker & phone the only ones turned on, others with X, no running phone or connection as shown by icon on top screen. Screen backlight set on 2nd mark from left. (lowest setting with light)
Used latest BatteryStatus Ext.v.1.04 beta3 release.
Results:
1. PDAviet- leakage remained about 87-92 mA for ALL radios.
2. TrueNeytral.v.1.4- leakage remained about 127-132 mA for ALL radios.
3. The above tests used the standard 1200 mAh battery (batteries used charged no less that 85%). Using High Capacity battery, 1800 mAh, all values were increased at least 50-70 mA, sometimes 120 mA or more! (Battery change protocol same for all, unit turned OFF by long press method. After battery switch, 2 soft resets before testing.)
4. Control- last Imate WM5 rom & radio ( Rom version 2.13.9.23, Radio version 02.20.21.) Leakage about 75-80 mA for ALL radios.
5. TrueNeytral.v.1.4.MS- leakage remained about 75-80 mA for ALL radios.
Conclusion/Comments:
Leakage is probably NOT related to radio roms. Largest contributing factors to leakage I could find were backlight setting & battery mAh used, when Prophet in normal resting state. (Of course, running certain progies will drain battery rapidly.)
The smallest mAh value battery drains (in resting state) I've experienced in PPC/Phone, come from the test WM6 roms of Custel for Hermes.
One trick by mUn rom developer, is to turn off phone, turn phone back on, in Comm Manager, AFTER each GPRS session. It seems to work with mUn WM6 roms for Trinity & the drain is indeed less. However, this does not work for the Prophet WM6 roms I've tried so far.
Finally, beware of the higher leak values produced by High Capacity batteries. In effect, you get longer use time between charges, but the battery drain is disproportional to stock batteries. If you find a HC battery with same leak values as stock, grab it!
The latest WM6 rom I'm testing: TrueNeytral.v.1.4.MS

That's cool! very nice information. You're doing like the myth-busters do on Discovery Ch! I thought radio was an important thing cencerning to batt life!
THANKS BRO

DeviLduck said:
7 Radio roms tested: 2.07, 2.19, 2.20, 2.30, 2.47, 2.61, & 2.67. (Device-Imate JAMin, G3)
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where did you get the 2.67, and why no answer me if 2.69 is offical

paradis_pal said:
where did you get the 2.67, and why no answer me if 2.69 is offical
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Sorry about that, paradis_pal, a typo on my part. I used the 2.69, downloaded from prophet wiki. Thanks for pointing that out.

I use it 2.69 too but where it from, is it official from another prophet ROM, or edited from other phones

paradis_pal said:
I use it 2.69 too but where it from, is it official from another prophet ROM, or edited from other phones
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Looks like an official radio rom contained in the German T-Mobile release for MDA Vario product. The 2.69 version we're using must be a radio rom extract of this.
Also, the 3.08 radio mentioned in xda forums is from a T-Mobile UK product rom. However, there are so many problems with the 3.08 install on G3 or G4, I'd strongly advise against messing with that one. In addition, the download package is contaminated with a worm/virus according to Avast.
It's very likely, that the 2.47 radio is the best & most stable, in an overall sense. Many people are having problems with the 2.69, but it's hard to know how many of those are using WM6.
Versions:
Rom-Version: 3.8.2.2
Rom-Date: 11/10/06
Radio-Version: 02.69.11
Protcol-Version: 4.1.13.30
OS 5.1.461 (Build 15671.3.3.0)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1206215

Question:Why all Roms have a size of 2.257KB and Radio Rom 2.61.21 is 2.671KB???

tonydeli7 said:
Question:Why all Roms have a size of 2.257KB and Radio Rom 2.61.21 is 2.671KB???
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That's your download problem I guess. 'Cos the radio rom is actually 2.19 MB to 2.20 MB

tonydeli7 said:
Question:Why all Roms have a size of 2.257KB and Radio Rom 2.61.21 is 2.671KB???
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the exact size of the nb radio rom is 2621440 bytes = 2.5 MB, a little more bytes in the NBF file usualy 2622464
the defferent size becasue of the compression that is all, look at the uncomressed size

so what's the shipped radio at this moment? is 2.61? right?

Tired of WM6

I've been a WM user for years, I had the same issue when I upgraded my Axim X50V to WM5.
I've been upgrading to almost every single ROM posted here.
After 100s of crashes, battery drains, radio problems... switched back to WM5, cuz i was unreachable all the time.
Is there any ROM worth trying? no battery/memory drain, no radio issues and no crashes?
Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions?

Best Rom At This Time
aGoGo said:
I've been a WM user for years, I had the same issue when I upgraded my Axim X50V to WM5.
I've been upgrading to almost every single ROM posted here.
After 100s of crashes, battery drains, radio problems... switched back to WM5, cuz i was unreachable all the time.
Is there any ROM worth trying? no battery/memory drain, no radio issues and no crashes?
Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions?
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Try Jwrightmcps Crossbow Rom 2.12.08 WWE which I am using on my Qtek 9000 since it was released on 12/16/2008. I think his rom is the best. I am very satisfied with his rom. I am waiting for his next rom release that supports 128mb of ram since I had my device recently upgraded from 64mb to 128mb of ram by PocketPCTechs.

aGoGo said:
After 100s of crashes, battery drains, radio problems... switched back to WM5, cuz i was unreachable all the time.
Is there any ROM worth trying? no battery/memory drain, no radio issues and no crashes?
Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions?
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Thought: The problem's not the ROMs, it's something on your side.
I didn't try many ROMs and with one or two I had stability issues. With the 1.18 radio I had several radio crashes, but most certainly due to a weak battery. With 1.17 none of that. I also didn't have any issues with stability using a WM 6.0 version of thingonaspring's one and I don't have them with Ranju's 7.1 WM 6.1.
Idea: Possibly your problems have something to do with your battery or some software you use, that doesn't work all that good under WM 6.
Suggestion: Check that

Thanks for the quick replay guys,
I tried Jwrightmcps's and Ranju's ROMs, they were two of my favorites, I had some issues with Radio and battery, I decided that i'll buy a new battery and switched back to WM5 until my battery arrives.
Somehow, everything is very stable with WM5, I even canceled my battery order.
I'm pretty sure it's not software related, cuz I even tried ROMs without any additional software, I switched between radio ROMs looking for something that plays well with my service provider.
Do you guys think it's worth trying?

aGoGo said:
Do you guys think it's worth trying?
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You gotta answer this for yourself. This depends on the benefits you get from WM6\6.1 and how intense the effort you put into this is. And especially the latter one is something we can't even estimate.
I'm usually the first to spend his free time fiddling around with some technical details without any real needs and I just can't help doing so. So I'd certainly try. My wife's just the opposite, so she would (most certainly) not
About the radios, what's your proider and where do you live?
I can't help you much with this, but at least for Germany most people are satisfied with the 1.17 and claim to have better signal or battery life. But sometimes I wonder if most of this isn't just mambo-jambo. Nobody seems to really know what's really different between the radios and I can imagine that many fall for some placebo and the rest is just experiencing "random" changes, not structural benefits of changed algorithms.
Settling for the version your provider distributes seems to be reasonable choice if you don't want to experiment yourself.

How can a different radio make the device faster?

I would like if someone could explain this phenomenon to me!
I tough that the radio only changes the "radio" performance in the device, like signal strength, bluetooth, wifi and so on!
I upgraded my radio from version 1.02.25.25 to 1.02.25.28 and my device is now actually performing much better/faster in all aplications!
Can someone please explain what is affected with a rom update?

branko.savic said:
I would like if someone could explain this phenomenon to me!
I tough that the radio only changes the "radio" performance in the device, like signal strength, bluetooth, wifi and so on!
I upgraded my radio from version 1.02.25.25 to 1.02.25.28 and my device is now actually performing much better/faster in all aplications!
Can someone please explain what is affected with a rom update?
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While I do not cook my own roms or use custom ones, I have found from both research on here as well as first hand usage of updated roms from my carrier. The performance changes are mostly from things being tweaked or corrected. With custom roms that people here create you will find that they go into the data and gut out everything that is not needed as well as patch up bugs. They also make changes to different settings that they find are actually more efficient then the default ones.
With stock rom upgrades while they may or may not take items out but they do apply the same concepts as above. Modify settings to work better and correct known bugs. Bugs are where you lose performance. Poor coding can relate to a number of issues such as slower performance, memory leaks, device not functioning as intended and things running when they should not be which can lead to excessive battery loss.

mrkawphy said:
While I do not cook my own roms or use custom ones, I have found from both research on here as well as first hand usage of updated roms from my carrier. The performance changes are mostly from things being tweaked or corrected. With custom roms that people here create you will find that they go into the data and gut out everything that is not needed as well as patch up bugs. They also make changes to different settings that they find are actually more efficient then the default ones.
With stock rom upgrades while they may or may not take items out but they do apply the same concepts as above. Modify settings to work better and correct known bugs. Bugs are where you lose performance. Poor coding can relate to a number of issues such as slower performance, memory leaks, device not functioning as intended and things running when they should not be which can lead to excessive battery loss.
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That part I do understand, what I meant to ask was what the radio update changes to make the device faster?
That is what puzzles me most!

well said!
to be a little more specific to the radio rom, its still all about the bugs, cleaning and optimizing code. for instance if there was some bug causing a communication error between your device and the carrier, the phone would have to wait for that to be resolved (if ever) to properly use the radio (be it 3g, edge, etc.)
in another sense, if the processor cannot properly communicate with its own devices (radios: gps,wifi,bluetooth,edge,3g) it may take a chunk of processor power to try and figure out whats going on or repeatedly ping each device, which could slow it down.
my philosiphy is that if you can get the latest and greatest rom/radio rom for your phone, without bricking it, then by all means, do so. you'll be a happy camper when its done.

m.carroll said:
well said!
to be a little more specific to the radio rom, its still all about the bugs, cleaning and optimizing code. for instance if there was some bug causing a communication error between your device and the carrier, the phone would have to wait for that to be resolved (if ever) to properly use the radio (be it 3g, edge, etc.)
in another sense, if the processor cannot properly communicate with its own devices (radios: gps,wifi,bluetooth,edge,3g) it may take a chunk of processor power to try and figure out whats going on or repeatedly ping each device, which could slow it down.
my philosiphy is that if you can get the latest and greatest rom/radio rom for your phone, without bricking it, then by all means, do so. you'll be a happy camper when its done.
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Thanks, things make much more sense to me now!
So I guess that a better radio will almost always improve the device performance!
Now the only question is, can I use a radio designed for the diamond in my touch pro, or do I have to wait for more touch pro radios?

do NOT use a diamond radio. different hardware calls for different radio. just be patient, as soon as the US 3g version is actually available there will be more roms.
In the past, on my wizard, some radios had improved performance, while others decreased it...it depends on each revision to the radio rom.

m.carroll said:
do NOT use a diamond radio. different hardware calls for different radio. just be patient, as soon as the US 3g version is actually available there will be more roms.
In the past, on my wizard, some radios had improved performance, while others decreased it...it depends on each revision to the radio rom.
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Actually if you read the Hardspl thread and some of the others you'll find there is no problem flashing the Diamond radio on the Raphael with a couple of little tweaks

NEED HELP ASAP:my uni drains its battery fast..PLEASE HELP ME!

my uni drains its battery fast..
the battery wont last a day..
but when i put the battery on different uni that battery last long..
im using:
-Luca's 23016.5.3.0 vanilla version rom
-radio 1.18
sorry guys but i really dont know what to do..
thanks in advance for those who are willing to help!

rosscruz08 said:
my uni drains its battery fast..
the battery wont last a day..
but when i put the battery on different uni that battery last long..
im using:
-Luca's 23016.5.3.0 vanilla version rom
-radio 1.18
sorry guys but i really dont know what to do..
thanks in advance for those who are willing to help!
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Which Radio and Rom use the other Uni??? Any other Installed Software differences??

all the same
Which Radio and Rom use the other Uni??? Any other Installed Software differences??
-they have same
RADIO=1.18
ROM=luca's vanilla 23016.5.3.0
same applications and programs installed..
in short identical UNI..

Same here some time ago.
Solution: My RSS-feed-reader tried to connect every 5-10 minutes. Even the Uni was closed. So the batts were empty in about 1 day.
Maybe you have a programm like mine...

Chosen_One said:
Same here some time ago.
Solution: My RSS-feed-reader tried to connect every 5-10 minutes. Even the Uni was closed. So the batts were empty in about 1 day.
Maybe you have a programm like mine...
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thanks for your help CHOSEN_ONE....but the programs i have on my two uni were all stock or i should say pre-installed software from luca's rom...and i think none on its programs or software are draining my battery fast..it so happen that only on that specific uni it drains fast...but the other it last more than a day..

experimental solution
1. ive downgraded my radio from 1.18 to 1.11
2. configured activesync option for server connection..ive switched the connection manually under the schedule option..
as a result it somehow slows down the draining time..but it is still under observation..i will just post here my findings as soon as i get some good results..
thanks for all those who helped me out so far..

rosscruz08 said:
Which Radio and Rom use the other Uni??? Any other Installed Software differences??
-they have same
RADIO=1.18
ROM=luca's vanilla 23016.5.3.0
same applications and programs installed..
in short identical UNI..
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Radio definitely one important point for Battery, second is the band wide 3G/GPRS. Setting your uni to 3G will sure use more power. The age of the hardware (screen, and others) may also effect your power consumtion.. I dont remembr but here in this forum is a tool to check power consumtion per mA..you may look in to that

Bulldog said:
Radio definitely one important point for Battery, second is the band wide 3G/GPRS. Setting your uni to 3G will sure use more power. The age of the hardware (screen, and others) may also effect your power consumtion.. I dont remembr but here in this forum is a tool to check power consumtion per mA..you may look in to that
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thanks for your help sir..
im using 1.11 radio instead of 1.18 (experimental solution)
im also using the GSM band not the 3G/UMTS (not using 3G eversince)
the hardware version of my uni thats draining fast is G4..
i also have a G3 and another G4 which works fine with 1.18 radio..
if i do have a time i will search for that consumption per mA thing...

my uni is now working fine..
hey guys...thanks for all of your help...
my uni is now working fine..
my little experiment works....
1. ive downgraded my radio from 1.18 to 1.11
2. configured activesync option for server connection..ive switched the connection manually under the schedule option..