Hi All,
Can anyone please advice what is the difference between (preferably technical diff from device's perspective), the Soft Reset and Reboot of your device.
- By Soft Reset, I mean the one which we ideally do by removing the backcover of Jade and putting the stylus in Reset Button/Hole.
- By Reboot, I mean Power OFF your device with the Power button on the top of the device and then Restart/Reboot (Power ON) your device all over again.
I'm wondering are both of them same and does the same functionality at the background OR they are some way different from each other technically?
It might be a dump Q for many experts, but I'm just too curious.
Gurus, please throw some light on their difference.
Thanks in advance!!
Soft Reset app!
soft reset and reboot is the same.
resetting using the stylus is different, it is abrupt... some settings are not restored or saved and it might damage or corrupt your files.
I would tend to disagree. Soft-reset and/or reboot do not imply whether the stylus method is used or not. Furthermore, most apps that do a soft-reset programmatically (aside from the OEM apps) do not actually secure data etc but perform the same function as a stylus-reset would. The terms can and (more importantly) are used interchangably.
Both soft-reset and reboot only imply that you need to start your device (again), IMHO it does not imply that the actual shutdown is performed in one way or the other.
As for the difference between a "shutdown/start"-cycle ("delayed") vs a stylus or software reset ("immediate"), aside from the fact that during a shutdown normally the device makes sure everything is saved, is also different from an electrical perspective.
With a shutdown procedure where all power is cut, and then turned on again, more hardware is re-inited again, which may beat it into submission. If you have had a lot of computers and tinkered a lot with them, you might have noticed hardware issues that show (or clear up) up every time you actually turn your pc off and on, but do not when you just reset. Same difference.
So, that means I can use them (Soft reset and Reboot) interchangeably.....
- Like after installing any third party application when it says to reset, I can just Power OFF and Power ON (reboot) the device rather then doing a soft reset. And the application will be installed perfectly as it suppose to be...
- Like I need to do a soft reset using my stylus (after removing the back cover), ONLY if my device hangs or freeze for some reason. Till then I can happily manage any reset requirement by just Power OFF/ON (reboot) my device.....
Are these inferences correct?
Please share your thoughts......
meet_bijoy said:
So, that means I can use them (Soft reset and Reboot) interchangeably.....
- Like after installing any third party application when it says to reset, I can just Power OFF and Power ON (reboot) the device rather then doing a soft reset. And the application will be installed perfectly as it suppose to be...
- Like I need to do a soft reset using my stylus (after removing the back cover), ONLY if my device hangs or freeze for some reason. Till then I can happily manage any reset requirement by just Power OFF/ON (reboot) my device.....
Are these inferences correct?
Please share your thoughts......
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Pretty much. For the least chance of anything going wrong, use the power off/on cycle when you can. While chances are small that if you closed alll your apps and press the reset button anything damaging will occur, if you want to always be on the safe side use the power off/on cycle.
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Pretty much. For the least chance of anything going wrong, use the power off/on cycle when you can. While chances are small that if you closed alll your apps and press the reset button anything damaging will occur, if you want to always be on the safe side use the power off/on cycle.
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Oh Cool!!
Thanks for the detailed explaination, its really helpful.
Otherwise you can also apply an application to the power button and choose whether you want to shutdown or reset etc.
if I'm not mistaken: if your reset application calls ExitWindowsEx then you won't loose any settings, while you probably will when using applications that call the (undocumented) KernelIOControl / IOCTL_HAL_REBOOT.
if I'm not mistaken again then this IOCTL_HAL_REBOOT is a relict from PPC 2002 days when ExitWindowsEx function didn't exist.
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So what did I do....
I installed .net 3.5 compact on my phone, and then installed Advanced config and made a few TF3D tweaks. Everything seemed to work ok. I then installed hTorch and it worked.
I then installed dotfred's taskmanager and then did another TF3D tweak. (The cache size one) and then did a soft reboot.
Now my phone doesn't even work. I can barly boot up and when it does boot up I get all of these error about ***.exe can run because it is not a valid
application.
Im thinking it was the .net 3.5 maybe.. or the dotfreds... no idea really.
Phew... so What'd I do wrong? I cant figure out how to un-install the stuff I put on it, because active sync wont run because it wont load on my phone. I literally cant do anything on my phone. The time doesn't even show. All I can see is the battery, reception and that it is on vibrate. I cant even change the volume.
Thanks for any help... I would love a way to do it w/o losing all of my numbers but that maybe the only way. (but I dont even know how to do it like that)
cableguy84 said:
So what did I do....
I installed .net 3.5 compact on my phone, and then installed Advanced config and made a few TF3D tweaks. Everything seemed to work ok. I then installed hTorch and it worked.
I then installed dotfred's taskmanager and then did another TF3D tweak. (The cache size one) and then did a soft reboot.
Now my phone doesn't even work. I can barly boot up and when it does boot up I get all of these error about ***.exe can run because it is not a valid
application.
Im thinking it was the .net 3.5 maybe.. or the dotfreds... no idea really.
Phew... so What'd I do wrong? I cant figure out how to un-install the stuff I put on it, because active sync wont run because it wont load on my phone. I literally cant do anything on my phone. The time doesn't even show. All I can see is the battery, reception and that it is on vibrate. I cant even change the volume.
Thanks for any help... I would love a way to do it w/o losing all of my numbers but that maybe the only way. (but I dont even know how to do it like that)
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The simplest would be a hard reset but will cause you to loose data, to do this press the the volume down button while pressing the reset button (next to the usb port) then it will ask if you want to hard reset so press the volume up. This will place your phone back to factory defaults.
Any idea how this happened? I would like to do all of this over again, just not sure what I did / didnt do...
I cant get this thing to hard reset.... ugh!
I have tried pressing and holding the volume down button and then pressing and holding the reset button next to the USB and it just keeps rebooting. (Also tried the center button and the volume button at the same time and then hitting and/or holding the reset button.)
Whats odd is sometimes is comes up with my password prompt and it works, other times that same password prompt comes up but my password doesnt work....
Wow... after about 15 reset, and 5-10 times trying to hard reset it... it just started to work all of a sudden..
I'm afraid to reset it again. No idea whats going on... worst part is that I work in IT so I'm really confused as to what is going on.
Hard reset is performed by doing the following.
1. Press the volume down button.
2. Press the action button.
3. Press reset button with stylus.
Press all of the above mentioned sections and continue pressing until you are prompted to perform a Hard Reset.
hchavarria said:
The simplest ... press the the volume down button while pressing the reset button (next to the usb port) then it will ask if you want to hard reset so press the volume up. This will place your phone back to factory defaults.
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This is the method for entering bootloader mode, not Hard Resetting the device.
If you have your phone synced to outlook, you should be able to restore your contacts. Also I save all my contacs to sim via sim manager.
a bit of advice which I use... always backup ur phone after installing a program. After each single install do the backup, you should have Sprite Backup which came with ur phone. This way, you can go back to any one point in time to see what F'ed up, takes a bit longer but its worth it.
This doesnt solve ur current problem but at least u can make sure it doesnt happen again... and fyi, everyone ends up hard resetting their phone at some point in their life and lose all data... ur not the first and wont be the last so breath and take it easy.
After to have launch the file VZW_TP_SSPL-Manual.exe mine TP more it has not been turn on !
It' dead !!!
how to default reset with buttons ?
HELP me !
Sorry for my english:???:
As written here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Raphael_For_Beginners#Hardx20.Reset
Hard Reset the device:
This will wipe all the storage (not the sd card) and your device will be reset to default settings.
Hard reset
Pull out the stylus.
With the device turned on, press and hold the VOLUME DOWN and CENTER buttons, then press the RESET button with the stylus tip.
Continue pressing the RESET, VOLUME DOWN and CENTER buttons until you see this message on the screen:
This operation will delete all your personal data, and reset all settings to manufacturer default. Press ?VolUp to restore manufacturer default, or press other keys to cancel.
ferus write: ...With the device turned on, press and....
but my device doesn't turn on, like if it were without battery !
bye for now.
Since English is not your primary language, I'm going to assume you do not live in the US. That being said:
You loaded a file designed ONLY for the Verizon Wireless Touch Pro device. The Verizon Wireless Touch Pro is CDMA (no SIM card).
Manino65 said:
My TP is dead ! How to make to alive ?:
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i am sure Jesus can resurrect it
i beleive you have a brick my friend
CDMA is WAY not GSM
Based on the apparent knowledge (or lack thereof) of the OP...
First, STOP... You don't know what you're doing.
Second, as you've only loaded the Soft SPL have you tried simply removing the battery yet?
If not then do that before you do anything else .
After you have removed the battery count slowly to 15 then replace the battery and see if it come on again.
Return here and report the results.
First, STOP... You don't know what you're doing.thank you
Second, as you've only loaded the Soft SPL have you tried simply removing the battery yet? yes,for 8 hours.
I have made a hard reset, VOLUME DOWN and CENTER buttons, then press the RESET button, without success.
Wow, I'm suprised that SoftSPL would do perm damage to a device as my understanding was that it didn't actually overwrite the SPL but redirected to load from a different memory location (where is was actually written to).
Anyway...
I would say this leaves you with one option, warranty replacement. Call your provider or the reseller where you purchased the device and tell them that you woke up one fine day and it was simply dead.
My Touch Pro of 12 months has decided that to continuously run the vibrator. I have tried a soft reset without success.
Can anyone advise me how I might stop this without a hard reset.
Sorry - but unless you have a reason why its constantly vibrating (ie you messed about with some settings, or it started after you installed / uninstalled something) then you dont have many options:
1) Do something to make the phone vibrate, then stop it and see what happens (although i guess you have already done this).
2) Remove the vibrate motor (a little extreme!)
3) Do a hard reset - obvisously you will have backed up all your data, so whilst a hard reset will be an annoyance, it wont be the end of the world.
Finally - and this might be bad news!
When you soft boot the phone it (should) vibrate then stop.
What does yours do? Does it vibrate as soon as the phone is powered / restarted? or does it wait until its booted into windows before it goes crazy? (1st sounds like hardware / water damage, 2nd more likely software - hard reset should fix).
If you can still run it ok other than the vibrating, try installing SPB Backup (not free, but the trial should work for this). Run the full backup, saving on your computer, and do a hard reset, then reinstall spb and restore from the backup. If it continues to vibrate, it is probably a setting, somewhere, that is bugged/messed up. You can also check the various notifications to see what all has vibrate set, it is possible that something as simple as continuously detecting wifi and being set to vibrate to tell you that. Of course, check that before doing the backup/hard reset/restore, if you haven't checked it already that is...
I know a girl who'd prolly buy it...haha
Hi,
I dont know what happened but since this afternoon (no matter how many times I perform a soft reset) sense is unable to start. I cant even navigate my phone. however I can still send and recieve calls but that's it.
Does anybody know what caused this? Although I install various software on an regular basis I'f never flashed the standard ROM.
Can you please tell me how to perform a hard-reset if software doesn't allow me to?
quote from the manual:
"To perform a hard reset
1. With the phone turned off, press and hold the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons, then press the END/POWER button shortly and release it. You will then see this message on the screen.
This operation will delete all your personal data, and reset all settings to manufacturer default. Press VolUp to restore manufacturer default, or press other keys to cancel.
2. Release the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons.
3. Press the VOLUME UP button to perform the hard reset, or press any other button to cancel the reset"
However before you do that, you could try disabling sense + soft reset + enabling sense -> this helped me few times when my sense wouldn't start.
The question is can you get to Start Menu / Settings? or - if not - does your ActiveSync work?
Some info from the Htc website..
Performing a Factory/Hard Reset You can return your phone to its original state, as it was when it left the factory. This is also called a hard reset. You might want to do this if you are giving your phone to a friend or relative and you want to remove all your data first, or if your phone has a persistent problem that is not solved by powering off the phone and then powering it on again.
A factory reset is a drastic measure. It permanently erases all your personal data and customized settings, and also removes any programs you have installed. Make sure that you have backed up the information and files you want to keep. For information about ways of backing up your phone, see the following topics:
Synchronizing With Outlook on Your Computer
Backing Up Your Phone Using Microsoft My Phone
Performing a factory reset via settings
The most convenient way to do a factory reset is via the phone settings.
On the Home screen's Settings tab, tap Menu > All Settings > System > Clear Storage.
Enter 1234.
Tap YES to perform the reset, or tap NO to cancel the reset.
Performing a factory reset using phone buttons
If you cannot turn on your phone or access the phone settings, you can still perform a factory reset by using buttons on the phone.
With your phone powered off, press and hold the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons.
While holding the volume buttons, press the END/POWER button briefly and then release it.
When you see a warning message on screen, release the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons.
Press the VOLUME UP button to perform the reset, or press any other button to cancel the reset.
p107r0 said:
quote from the manual:...
...The question is can you get to Start Menu / Settings? or - if not - does your ActiveSync work?
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...The answer is: No...I'll try your manual quote tnx...
Yes Activesync still works...
Shum97 said:
Performing a Factory/Hard Reset... ...
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Tnx guys but no luck, when phone is off and I hold the volume buttons then briefly tap power button the damn thing turns on...the the whole crap starts all over again...nothing works except sending and recieving calls...
ok, before you attempt to loose all your data, try copying unpacking the attached file to your Windows folder - it can be done with ActiveSync,
if I did not screw up, once the file is copied there, long-press of phone button should bring the today settings, where you can try to disable sense, and see what happens then...
dub027 said:
Hi,
I dont know what happened but since this afternoon (no matter how many times I perform a soft reset) sense is unable to start. I cant even navigate my phone. however I can still send and recieve calls but that's it.
Does anybody know what caused this? Although I install various software on an regular basis I'f never flashed the standard ROM.
Can you please tell me how to perform a hard-reset if software doesn't allow me to?
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WTF... Same here... Turning the phone on this afternoon, suddenly Sense does not want to start anymore... No mather how many times I try!!!
Update: at least the "Hard Reset" worked. So back to basic and Sense worked again. :-( Now updating the phone again... Sigh...
Righard said:
Update: at least the "Hard Reset" worked. So back to basic and Sense worked again. :-( Now updating the phone again... Sigh...
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one more (sad) reason for investing in good backup app, be it SPB, Sprite, Resco or whatever...
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one more (sad) reason for investing in good backup app, be it SPB, Sprite, Resco or whatever...
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Agree 100%. I backup regularly but now I cant even hard-reset so that's not my problem.
Until now a hard reset always worked. Putting your (p107r0) file in the windows folder at least gave me the uportunity to disable sense and grand me access to the settings. But the touch screen seems to suffer from this virus too...when I try to purge my stored info (entering 1234) the keyboard shows what key I press but the number doesnt appear in the textbar...
Even trying to install a cab doesnt work. I can find everything on the phone but tapping does nothing...
I'm very close to flushing the phone down the toilet or something...
I feel your pain (1 month with overheating mainboard), but don't flush it yet
try the second method for HR - the one where you start with both vol keys pressed
p107r0 said:
I feel your pain (1 month with overheating mainboard), but don't flush it yet
try the second method for HR - the one where you start with both vol keys pressed
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TNX!!! tried and at last problem 'solved' (hard reset worked) let's hope it's a last for me...
mods you can close this thread as far as I'm concerned.
I haven't seen this posted yet so I wanted to share. If this is already posted, or well known, laugh at me then delete this thread please.
While playing a game yesterday my phone locked up and I didn't want to take my case off and do a battery pull. I just came from the GS3, and the only way to reboot a frozen phone was to do a battery pull. As many of you know many phones have a way to "hard reboot" by pressing certain button combinations for a certain length of time. I started trying different button combinations until I found one that worked.
Super simple.
Hold power + volume down for 10 seconds then let go (while screen is on or off, it doesn't matter)
After a few seconds a black screen will appear
That screen will give you three options
1. Normal Boot
2. Factory Reset
3. Safe Mode
Double and triple check that Normal Boot is highlighted!
Use the volume keys to scroll up/down
Use Home button to select
Be very careful not to hold the volume down after the screen goes black while doing the hard reboot button sequence because you will scroll off of Normal Boot. If you accidently scroll to Factory Reset unknowingly and hit the home button you just wiped your phone.
I'm not sure why this key sequence exists, especially if you can use the power and home/vol up/down to achieve the same thing before booting.
joshua.justice said:
I'm not sure why this key sequence exists, especially if you can use the power and home/vol up/down to achieve the same thing before booting.
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Yes, they must have done this for the USER. About time Samsung gave us a way to reboot a froze phone without a battery pull.
My phone locked up this morning and I tried this, worked like a charm. Thanks!
I'd rather not take the chance of accidentally factory resetting the phone but to each his or her own! not trying to throw a wrench in your findings. still a neat feature.
whtciv2k said:
I'd rather not take the chance of accidentally factory resetting the phone but to each his or her own! not trying to throw a wrench in your findings. still a neat feature.
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The only possible way to reset your phone is to not look to see that Reset your phone is highlighted in bright red while the others are black. And the button combination that causes the hard reboot doesn't include the home button, the home button is what triggers the reboot or reset. You would have to blindly press buttons to reset your phone.
Before someone presses the home button just look 3 inches above the home button to make sure your on Normal Boot. Not that hard considering in the middle of all these buttons you need to press is the screen in which you see if your about to reset or reboot.
Just tried this to reboot my phone when I had a ROM installed to a non-stock slot on Safestrap - worked like a charm.
I'll agree that it's not difficult to avoid doing a factory reset, but that doesn't mean it's an entirely comforting option to have pop up on the screen when you're doing a reboot. I know better than to pull the trigger on a loaded shotgun, but I still keep the safety on and don't point it at anything I'm not willing to blow a huge hole in until I'm ready to actually fire it.
It's not so much that people have an issue with how likely they are to accidentally wipe their phone, it's the degree of consequence such a mistake would bring that makes them - and rationally so - wary.
Not that I'd compare the damage of a negligent shotgun blast to a factory reset phone - I'm just using that as an illustration that regardless of how easily an accident can be avoided, as the cost of the accident increases people like to build additional safety measures/practices to guard against them. So the slightly overzealous warnings here are, I feel, appropriate since if you're going to use this method you should be especially aware of the presence of the "congratulations, your phone is reset to factory defaults" consequence so that you'll double and triple-check to be sure you're not making that selection unless it's the one you really want.
TheAutonomousGeek said:
Just tried this to reboot my phone when I had a ROM installed to a non-stock slot on Safestrap - worked like a charm.
I'll agree that it's not difficult to avoid doing a factory reset, but that doesn't mean it's an entirely comforting option to have pop up on the screen when you're doing a reboot. I know better than to pull the trigger on a loaded shotgun, but I still keep the safety on and don't point it at anything I'm not willing to blow a huge hole in until I'm ready to actually fire it.
It's not so much that people have an issue with how likely they are to accidentally wipe their phone, it's the degree of consequence such a mistake would bring that makes them - and rationally so - wary.
Not that I'd compare the damage of a negligent shotgun blast to a factory reset phone - I'm just using that as an illustration that regardless of how easily an accident can be avoided, as the cost of the accident increases people like to build additional safety measures/practices to guard against them. So the slightly overzealous warnings here are, I feel, appropriate since if you're going to use this method you should be especially aware of the presence of the "congratulations, your phone is reset to factory defaults" consequence so that you'll double and triple-check to be sure you're not making that selection unless it's the one you really want.
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I totally agree. To be honest I reset my phone once while I was figuring out this method. I initially thought that the button combination was Vol down + Home + Power. Well it wasn't and I had held vol down to long and it scrolled over reset phone, and holding the home button in triggered the reset. I only did that while searching for the correct button combination. Most hard reboots that I knew about used 3 buttons not 2.
For the record though, once you press reset phone, it doesn't ask "are you sure" or anything like that, it just resets.
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For the record though, once you press reset phone, it doesn't ask "are you sure" or anything like that it just resets.
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Good to know. I wouldn't have counted on that being the case but it's definitely a helpful caution to let people know there's no safety net.