Hello everyone. I haven't posted here for a while, but I figured this would be the best place to ask.
We recently moved from AT&T to T-Mobile. As my fiancee has an iPhone, I had to jailbreak it. It was running version 3.0.1 when I did the jailbreak, and I kept the OS the same version (as it was easy). Since she had already "accidently" done the update from iTunes when 3.0.1 came out (my mistake. I told her to update it), all I had to do was download the hacked firmware (linked from the DevTeam blog) and install (IIRC) BlackRain.
We have not downloaded a single app to the phone, other than BlackRain to do the carrier unlock.
I don't really monitor data usage, as we have an unlimited data through T-Mobile. However, just out of curiosity, I checked usage today.
At 5:06am MST, her phone did a data transfer (according to the T-Mobile site) of 4.99MB. She didn't wake up until after 6am.
The only data she uses is Exchange ActiveSync (through my Exchange server) and and web browsing, usually for an hour or so, after 9 or 10pm. She has no other data-centric apps loaded. The only email she received early this morning was a 1KB email from a family member. No emails with big attachments or anything to indicate it email was responsible for the data usage.
From what I can tell, it's either one of two things:
1) Poor accounting by T-Mobile, through either an error in the reported data usage, or an incorrect time stamp for the usage.
2) Some rogue app that was built into the hacked .IPSW file that is "phoning home" personal data.
Can anyone chime in here?
Thanks in advance.
Here's an attachment of the data usage over the past few days (sorted by size, descending).
Only the two largest entries are suspect. We can easily account for the rest of the usage, and the times seem to be 100% accurate.
The funny thing is, two days ago, her Bluetooth stopped working (won't connect/pair with her car... but I haven't had a chance to investigate).
Coincedence?
Ok, looking through the other logs, there is a 3.8MB transfer at 3:06pm yesterday as well. She did not leave work until after 4pm.
Other than that, everything looks good. All the suspicious transfers occured within the last two days... which is also when the Bluetooth stopped working.
I think you choose a bad place for asking anything related about iphone
Better try here:
http://planet-iphones.com/
Good luck
did you resolve this?
could it be exchange ?
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did you resolve this?
could it be exchange ?
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No. It's not exchange. I used Wireshark to see where the data is going... it's going to Apple servers.
Funny, just now (I originally started this thread in December) it's getting media coverage:
http://consumerist.com/2010/09/watch-for-mysterious-data-usage-on-your-iphone.html
Watch out sheeple... Apple is the new evil empire. MS could give a hoot about your demographics.
The most astonishing thing about this is.... IT'S ILLEGAL! There has been lawsuit after lawsuit against companies collecting data without their express permission (anyone remember RealPlayer?).
A few years ago, this stuff was an atrocity... now people just "deal with it" because they love their iPhones.
Funny.... I was one of the first to figure out this stuff was happening. No one seemed to care, no matter where I posted it.
Now we get this:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/04/20/iphone.tracking/index.html?hpt=T2
Not an Iphone forum, if interested head over to Ipd.
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Firstly sorry if this is in the wrong place. Just wanted to ensure its in a place obvious to folk so they get the warning.
Secondly after installing tweetdeck on my phone I let it run for about a day and a half. However after that short time I noticed my battery was suffering quite badly. So I took a look around my stats and also noticed that in that short time the program had used no less than 74mb of data!!! I rang my colleague who also installed it and he found it had used 100mb. And a fair bit of battery.
He has a nexus one I have a milestone. We went sniffing around their forums and found a few other users complaining of the same issue. So we've uninstalled for now. We've posted something up on their forum but as of yet no reply. Needless to say that sort of data usage is unacceptable. Especially when alot of carriers are getting rid of unlimited plans.
Its running constantly. Updating as new feeds arrive. Yes its going to eat up data and battery.
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Its running constantly. Updating as new feeds arrive. Yes its going to eat up data and battery.
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I take it you didnt bother to read my whole post? no? didnt think so. Regardless of the fact its constantly updating it shouldnt eat nearly 75-100mb in two days. My bbc news, facebook, and gmail are all running constantly but they use a few mb every few days. get a clue.
sounds bad ... is there an answer of the devs now?
well they've responded to our thread and have gone away to test it. We'll see I guess.
this is the thread on the official forums.
http://support.tweetdeck.com/entries/239273-over-use-of-data?page=1#post_347227
How do you see how much data a particular program uses?
there are apps on the market place that will monitor and tell you.
or you call *#*#4636#*#* - there you can have a look on monitored apps
I just got the verizon fascinate, and cancelled my home phone and internet. what is the best way to tether it so i can surf the web on my home PC. i am looking to avoid the charges of using the hotspot feature from verizon.
any help would be greatley appreciated..
thanks so much!
If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed. I'm not sure if PDANet is available to Verizon Android users (Much like we t-mo guys can't have skype default install from market...), but look it up.
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If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed. I'm not sure if PDANet is available to Verizon Android users (Much like we t-mo guys can't have skype default install from market...), but look it up.
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What do you consider "heavily"?
also, i did try out PDAnet last night with it. it works great.i LOVE the texting feature...
dvigue said:
What do you consider "heavily"?
also, i did try out PDAnet last night with it. it works great.i LOVE the texting feature...
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Well... In reality, it's not what I consider heavily, it's verizons perception of heavy usage...
If you're going to browse the web for four hours, maybe send a few e-mails and pull forty-five songs from Miley Cyrus, that may look a little suspicious.
The beauty of me using T-mobile and vanilla Android on my Nexus one is the ability to tether "for free" through Settings -> Wireless and so on. They send me texts/emails/letters sometimes regarding my data usage and say that they throttle me back until the next billing cycle. I see no large performance degradation though.
Wow I've never gotten a notice. They tell me they can't track my usage cause it's unlimited. Consider this heavy I tether every night and sometimes use xbox live. I also download lots of roms and have played mmos.
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what do you guys average for data usage?
AT&T wishes they never offered UNLIMITED DATA PLANS!
Well I got the C&D order letter using BARNACLE of course I played dumb and called to retain my unlimited plan....
So I had to add tether on another phone my lady has which was not on unlimited.
Simple solution LOL when I have a large file I send the url to my Atrix with unlimited data plan then download that massive file on the unlimited plan phone.
Once done downloading I simply transfer the file as if it were USB attached storage or pull the SD etc.. but that is NOT TETHERING and I still get the files I wish...... GOTCHA AT&T!! Oh and of course since you NOW have rules about content downloaded I abide and only download what is permissible (ie. purchased music etc....) I hit 105GB this last cycle and plan on even more this month.
AT&T is a horrible company when it comes to ethics and morals..... they LIE alot!
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If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed.
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Ha!!! This is so far from the truth I can't help but laugh....
1. pdanet has a feature to keep your carrier from noticing your usage called "hide tether usage'
2. I used my phone for 4 days straight when my internet went out due to bad weather....I streamed dozens of movies, downloaded music, browsed, sent emails, and I even downloaded Uncharted 3...all while tethered. I have yet to get any letters/emails/calls/texts from sprint telling me to stop using so much data....and I don't use the 'hide tether usage' option.
3. there are rumors that carriers CAN'T see your tethered usage from and android...they can only monitor iphones. I have yet to see hard evidence one way or the other, but it's been said many times that no carrier can monitor android usage to the point of knowing whether it's tethered or not.
Interesting read about PDAnet & verizon android devices
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/02/pda...ing-use-but-verizon-users-may-be-out-of-luck/
They can tell by the OS on the phone I believe as they had the dates I tethered..
I was thinking of getting the HTC Radar like next month and was thinking if how much data to purchase. But I've come across on the net, that many users have said that there is still the data hog for Mango. So I have the following questions:
1) Has the problem been solved? Like are there any ways to stop the data hog?
2) Do you think 50MB will be enough? I wont be using yahoo and weather etc. Just updating Facebook and Twitter, and using wifi when I'm at home.
Thanks in advance!
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I was thinking of getting the HTC Radar like next month and was thinking if how much data to purchase. But I've come across on the net, that many users have said that there is still the data hog for Mango. So I have the following questions:
1) Has the problem been solved? Like are there any ways to stop the data hog?
2) Do you think 50MB will be enough? I wont be using yahoo and weather etc. Just updating Facebook and Twitter, and using wifi when I'm at home.
Thanks in advance!
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at the beginning of our plan with att (200Mb) my wife and I tried to save as much as possible. But we were hitting each 50Mb within a month. We are not heavy users and normally get easily over 100Mb by now, myself 150Mb and higher.
I would say 50Mb on a smartphone is probably going to be very painful.
btw. I did not see an increase higher than 10-15% on Mango compared to NoDo.
From personal experience 50mb a month is about as sufficient as Borats Swimsuit.
Absolutely not. There is no way you can fit all your needs inside such a small bandwidth cap. You can easy use all 50 withing first few hours on youtube.
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Absolutely not. There is no way you can fit all your needs inside such a small bandwidth cap. You can easy use all 50 withing first few hours on youtube.
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I agree, it'd be difficult, maybe impossible, but who seriously spends hours on youtube on their cell
God, last month I had 1030MB, the month before 790. Notice the Mango increase.I can´t imagine fitting into the 50MB.
As others have said, 50MB just will not be enough. It would be pointless having any modern smartphone with that much of a limit on your data. I have a 1GB allowance and that is more than meeting my needs right now. That is with browsing the net for an hour or two a day (mostly facebook and XDA) I stream radio for around 5 hours a week, and my phone is set to automatically set to sync email etc every hour. All this comes to around 600MB a month. Since Ive now unlocked my HTC 7 Pro I can now tether to my laptop, this will most likely lead to me upping my data plan soon. But even for a light data user I would recommend no less than a 250MB a month plan at the very least.
I run on pay-as-you-go data packets. A 30MB data packet usually lasts me about two weeks. The trick is to turn off 3G when you're not using it (say, you're in your house and you're using WiFi). I usually keep the 3G off except when I want to actively browse the web and no WiFi is nearby, and turn it off again when I'm done.
It's definitely possible if you just browse and use Twitter and Facebook. Streaming audio, using maps for navigation, and other data-heavy activities obviously won't be enough for 50MB.
oops sorry for the late reply. Thanks to all who replied here. think I'll just get a plan with more data. Since I'm kinda a twitter/fb addict.
Hi all,
It appears that 3 are trying to cut down on tethering on all you can eat data that isn't on The One Plan however it is affecting using any other browsers other than stock on phones too! Anybody else having this issue?
I wouldn't even mind but I can still tether my Tab and everything works just as it did until I use anything other than the stock browser!!
All you can eat data is a lie anyway.... its fair use, its why I prefer all in one 10
Never had any blocks on browsers but I do have there stupid internet filter :/
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Same goes for...
my girlfriend. She isn't on The One Plan, I am. I have no problem with data limitations, she does. I installed Dolphin browser onto her phone when she first purchased hers and after 3 months, her browsers' data stream became blocked. We called Three and after 25 mins of waiting on the phone and going through various processes, they advised they we should switch back to the default browser, which worked.
False advertising though if you ask me.
I read something on a website only a week ago about how Three claims that their data is all you can eat, but actually,Three's data stream is capped at 7mps, opposed to O2's 14mps. It's just annoying and consumers were never made aware of this (unless I overlooked it in the small print when reading my contract info.)
So I got my letter from ATT the other day saying that they have detected tethering software on my phone and that if I dont remove it by 12/31/12 they will automatically bump me up to the 5GB tethering plan for $50/mo
Whats the best way to resolve this and still be able to run custom roms? Ideally I would still like to be able to tether for free (obviously) but at the very least just be able to not pay the $50/mo and still run custom roms.
I spoke with a customer service rep and told her I had no idea how to tether and asked if they could just put a block on it or something, and she said no, the software has been detected and it has to be removed.
Maybe I should call back and ask for supervisor?
Alternatively she said if I go into the att store and they can look at my phone and see that there is no tethering software, they can make a notation on my account.
So I suppose I could unroot, go into att store, have them note the account, and then root again.... that would probly be my last resort.
Thanks in advance for any help!
No, you do understand the second you tether they can detect it right? They also aren't idiots and can tell if you're running a custom ROM as well
I've heard about Verizon reps commenting about custom ROMs before
So you flashing back to stock and showing them there's nothing on the phone does nothing.
If you don't want to be charged then stop
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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They wouldn't make a notation on the account because tethering is possible with the stock software, there's quite a few apps on the market that allow this. So you could just uninstall it.
You didn't get the letter because of the custom ROM, you got it because you violated your contract by tethering. It may have taken them some time to send out the letter.
They have detected it so they will be watching for future violations
So my suggestion stays the same, stop tethering or pay for it
Pretty simple
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What Phil said although you may not agree with att's rules on tethering...its in the contact and you signed to it so you will get taken off your plan and to the 5gb plan if you continue
Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.
I am fairly new to ATT (came from Sprint)
Does this apply to wired tethering as well? Does someone using wired tether (such as pdanet) still have to pay, or is that free?
The way I think they catch people is # of hops it does to terminate data and packet sniffers so I'd just stay away even though pda may be a bit safer will LTE around theyre hunkering up
For the sake of mentioning this--its a topic which has been raked over in every phone forum, Android, Apple etc nd tablets too.
Doing a general and specific search on the Net seems to point to mostly theory. When I owned my previous iPhones and jailbroke, I used MyWi. However, the devs made it clear you could be caught.
That notion aside-many of us and this includes me, believe it comes down to being abusive with the tethering. Of course many would disagree but if you cared to specifically search iPhone sites and focused mostly on AT&T, it somewhat became clear they knew we were tethering since algorithms change when tethering. In conjunction, we also surmised they went after people who had unlimited data plans and really used the heck out of it.
I personally have tethered many times and many people I know too but we didn't use it too long. I've never gotten a notice from ATT but it doesn't mean they aren't watching. Not be be a jerk but your op is a topic I've seen literally hundreds of times. Everyone claims the same thing but no one seems to admit they abuse it. They noticed you for a reason is what it comes down to. I should also mention I've tethered my HOX as well.
In my personal opinion I believe we should be able to get a free amount of gigabytes to tether. Once over it, then you get charged. This is just a real touchy subject.
These are just my opinions.
Jon
ViperXL 2.4.0 w/ElementalX 3.1 kernel
I tethered without a tethering plan for years, first on my jailbroken iPhone and then on my HOX until I switched to the Mobile Share plans that include tethering. I never got caught, but I was also very careful not to abuse it by, for example, streaming video, moving large files, or doing things that a phone would never do untethered like updating my laptop's software.
I am convinced, from watching this issue over the years, that AT&T does two things: They mainly go after the data hogs, flagging people for tethering detection when they get close to or over their data caps; they also run spot checks on random accounts. Detecting tethering, should you get their attention, is dead simple, by the way. There are any number of ways to confirm it.
Once you're on their radar screen, the jig is up. Your only choices are to stop tethering or get a tethering plan.