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Hello everyone. I haven't posted here for a while, but I figured this would be the best place to ask.
We recently moved from AT&T to T-Mobile. As my fiancee has an iPhone, I had to jailbreak it. It was running version 3.0.1 when I did the jailbreak, and I kept the OS the same version (as it was easy). Since she had already "accidently" done the update from iTunes when 3.0.1 came out (my mistake. I told her to update it), all I had to do was download the hacked firmware (linked from the DevTeam blog) and install (IIRC) BlackRain.
We have not downloaded a single app to the phone, other than BlackRain to do the carrier unlock.
I don't really monitor data usage, as we have an unlimited data through T-Mobile. However, just out of curiosity, I checked usage today.
At 5:06am MST, her phone did a data transfer (according to the T-Mobile site) of 4.99MB. She didn't wake up until after 6am.
The only data she uses is Exchange ActiveSync (through my Exchange server) and and web browsing, usually for an hour or so, after 9 or 10pm. She has no other data-centric apps loaded. The only email she received early this morning was a 1KB email from a family member. No emails with big attachments or anything to indicate it email was responsible for the data usage.
From what I can tell, it's either one of two things:
1) Poor accounting by T-Mobile, through either an error in the reported data usage, or an incorrect time stamp for the usage.
2) Some rogue app that was built into the hacked .IPSW file that is "phoning home" personal data.
Can anyone chime in here?
Thanks in advance.
Here's an attachment of the data usage over the past few days (sorted by size, descending).
Only the two largest entries are suspect. We can easily account for the rest of the usage, and the times seem to be 100% accurate.
The funny thing is, two days ago, her Bluetooth stopped working (won't connect/pair with her car... but I haven't had a chance to investigate).
Coincedence?
Ok, looking through the other logs, there is a 3.8MB transfer at 3:06pm yesterday as well. She did not leave work until after 4pm.
Other than that, everything looks good. All the suspicious transfers occured within the last two days... which is also when the Bluetooth stopped working.
I think you choose a bad place for asking anything related about iphone
Better try here:
http://planet-iphones.com/
Good luck
did you resolve this?
could it be exchange ?
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did you resolve this?
could it be exchange ?
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No. It's not exchange. I used Wireshark to see where the data is going... it's going to Apple servers.
Funny, just now (I originally started this thread in December) it's getting media coverage:
http://consumerist.com/2010/09/watch-for-mysterious-data-usage-on-your-iphone.html
Watch out sheeple... Apple is the new evil empire. MS could give a hoot about your demographics.
The most astonishing thing about this is.... IT'S ILLEGAL! There has been lawsuit after lawsuit against companies collecting data without their express permission (anyone remember RealPlayer?).
A few years ago, this stuff was an atrocity... now people just "deal with it" because they love their iPhones.
Funny.... I was one of the first to figure out this stuff was happening. No one seemed to care, no matter where I posted it.
Now we get this:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/04/20/iphone.tracking/index.html?hpt=T2
Not an Iphone forum, if interested head over to Ipd.
I just got the verizon fascinate, and cancelled my home phone and internet. what is the best way to tether it so i can surf the web on my home PC. i am looking to avoid the charges of using the hotspot feature from verizon.
any help would be greatley appreciated..
thanks so much!
If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed. I'm not sure if PDANet is available to Verizon Android users (Much like we t-mo guys can't have skype default install from market...), but look it up.
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If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed. I'm not sure if PDANet is available to Verizon Android users (Much like we t-mo guys can't have skype default install from market...), but look it up.
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What do you consider "heavily"?
also, i did try out PDAnet last night with it. it works great.i LOVE the texting feature...
dvigue said:
What do you consider "heavily"?
also, i did try out PDAnet last night with it. it works great.i LOVE the texting feature...
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Well... In reality, it's not what I consider heavily, it's verizons perception of heavy usage...
If you're going to browse the web for four hours, maybe send a few e-mails and pull forty-five songs from Miley Cyrus, that may look a little suspicious.
The beauty of me using T-mobile and vanilla Android on my Nexus one is the ability to tether "for free" through Settings -> Wireless and so on. They send me texts/emails/letters sometimes regarding my data usage and say that they throttle me back until the next billing cycle. I see no large performance degradation though.
Wow I've never gotten a notice. They tell me they can't track my usage cause it's unlimited. Consider this heavy I tether every night and sometimes use xbox live. I also download lots of roms and have played mmos.
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what do you guys average for data usage?
AT&T wishes they never offered UNLIMITED DATA PLANS!
Well I got the C&D order letter using BARNACLE of course I played dumb and called to retain my unlimited plan....
So I had to add tether on another phone my lady has which was not on unlimited.
Simple solution LOL when I have a large file I send the url to my Atrix with unlimited data plan then download that massive file on the unlimited plan phone.
Once done downloading I simply transfer the file as if it were USB attached storage or pull the SD etc.. but that is NOT TETHERING and I still get the files I wish...... GOTCHA AT&T!! Oh and of course since you NOW have rules about content downloaded I abide and only download what is permissible (ie. purchased music etc....) I hit 105GB this last cycle and plan on even more this month.
AT&T is a horrible company when it comes to ethics and morals..... they LIE alot!
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If you tether and use heavily, you'll be noticed.
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Ha!!! This is so far from the truth I can't help but laugh....
1. pdanet has a feature to keep your carrier from noticing your usage called "hide tether usage'
2. I used my phone for 4 days straight when my internet went out due to bad weather....I streamed dozens of movies, downloaded music, browsed, sent emails, and I even downloaded Uncharted 3...all while tethered. I have yet to get any letters/emails/calls/texts from sprint telling me to stop using so much data....and I don't use the 'hide tether usage' option.
3. there are rumors that carriers CAN'T see your tethered usage from and android...they can only monitor iphones. I have yet to see hard evidence one way or the other, but it's been said many times that no carrier can monitor android usage to the point of knowing whether it's tethered or not.
Interesting read about PDAnet & verizon android devices
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/02/pda...ing-use-but-verizon-users-may-be-out-of-luck/
They can tell by the OS on the phone I believe as they had the dates I tethered..
Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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Just use WI-FI when you can. A lot of places offer it free.
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At home I always do, but days at work and weekends kill me during the month. There's no open wifi near my work... In NYC... Go figure
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Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".
Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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there is a way to do it but from what I read it works for some people and not for others. So I think it is a crapshoot. I would be really careful. I agree that 5 gigs is not enough. I am almost over my limit with 10 days to go and that is with using wifi alot of the time. I was thinking of doing that fix also but I dont kmow. Also I dont think anyone had problems with tmo.
I wouldn't say that hack works for anyone. I got the text a few months ago about halfway through my cycle, but my speeds were never throttled although I was told they were. I would say that is what happened with those it "worked" got.
Yeah cI just dont like the idea of messin with the system that much and I mean my phone's system. I dont mind doing root and doing little things but my phone has run like a champ since day one and I got it about two weeks after relese date. I waited for the GB update to come and my phone still ran fine after that although I did not see much improvement. I was not impressed with the GB update so I rooted the phone. I am afraid that if I keep messin with it I am going to ruin a good thing. I should be happy with what I got. I am running xboarders tweeked ota and it runs like a champ. If I screw around and brick my phone I have no one to blame but myself.
I just got off the phone with customer service and it turns out that you. An get a 10 gig data cap plan. I think it was $55 it brought my monthly bill to 95+ tax
Its not that bad now I also have unlimited texting AZ well. This month I used 4.6 gigs so far and 60 minutes and 3 texts and I have 5 days left I. My bill. Cycle
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Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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2 gigs is enough for anyone who doesn't stream a lot of video. When I see these people who use 5 gigs in 10 days I know they have to just be living on netflix.
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Im a power user i stay on wifi when i can or use 2g if its just a basic app like xda or pulse been 3 weeks only used 1.45gb
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I dont do alot of video althought I do do some dut I am constsantly on Sirius-xm and fm radio. Also I use weather and news widges hat take up alot. I also use google music which You can make music available off line but that doesnt always work it still uses alot. I do a fair amout of going on youtube but in no way it is close to most of my data
Charlie
Thanks for all the input. Like I said I have no available wifi at work and also tethering to my netbook frequently during the month too. I like I'm just going to run into t mo and see about either upgrading data plan or adding a tether plan. I'll post a result. Also for those rooted, try out the miui rom. Much different from when I flashed it months ago. Fast, smooth, stable, and just well... Works! Never been so happy
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hockeyman18 said:
Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.
It's so easy to get around tethering charges that they might as well not even exist. Even a friend of mine who's so tech-illiterate he doesn't even update his market apps figured out a way.
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I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.
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You and I are in the same boat. I use google music everyday including both ways on an atlantic city trip last weekend.. Ate my data alive. I'm also in a grand fathered plan which I may which out of. Heading into tmo after work today. I feel I'd have better luck in person than over the phone. Plus if they give me a hard time I'll root all their androids, install custom roms, and have customers go back to the store because it wasn't like the phone they saw
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Just my 2 cents, being well versed in corporate routing and switching, throttling is handle at a hard ware level either on the router by your ip address or on the swtich by your mac address. Doing anthing locally to your phone isnt going to bypass throttling in anyway. Youre taking a gamble trying to hack you phone to bypass this, if anything the only thing that your seeing is a placebo effect.
okay a couple of things first to those using the google musice beta you can make your whole music collection available offline so you dont use your data just look aty the settings and if you can do it over wifi so you dont use any bandwith.
Second to the people who want to change your plan and add gigs to data you have to change your plan to the new value plan which is cheaper by about 10 bucks then you can add a unlimited data with a 10 gig high speed cap. I did it yesterday over the phone and I usually have no luck with customer service but I actually got one who spoke perfect english and understood exactly what I wanted to do. I almost fell over of a heart attack it was great. They transfered the rep that I usually dealt with in my local store. The new ass that replaced him was tring to sell me the LG slate which is a sweet tablet but not what I wanted. He had the balls to tell me that there was a $300 migration fee to change to the new value plan from my at the time current even more 500 plan I was on. When I told the customer service rep that she started laughing and said he was full of **** and not in those words. Cant wait to go back to that store and give him a pice of my mind. but anyway sorry to go off on your post I hope this helps ytou guys with the G music problems.
Charlie
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Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".
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i'm sorry, you say that and all i can think of is Freddy Wong's vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_wS497CIQ
I was thinking of getting the HTC Radar like next month and was thinking if how much data to purchase. But I've come across on the net, that many users have said that there is still the data hog for Mango. So I have the following questions:
1) Has the problem been solved? Like are there any ways to stop the data hog?
2) Do you think 50MB will be enough? I wont be using yahoo and weather etc. Just updating Facebook and Twitter, and using wifi when I'm at home.
Thanks in advance!
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I was thinking of getting the HTC Radar like next month and was thinking if how much data to purchase. But I've come across on the net, that many users have said that there is still the data hog for Mango. So I have the following questions:
1) Has the problem been solved? Like are there any ways to stop the data hog?
2) Do you think 50MB will be enough? I wont be using yahoo and weather etc. Just updating Facebook and Twitter, and using wifi when I'm at home.
Thanks in advance!
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at the beginning of our plan with att (200Mb) my wife and I tried to save as much as possible. But we were hitting each 50Mb within a month. We are not heavy users and normally get easily over 100Mb by now, myself 150Mb and higher.
I would say 50Mb on a smartphone is probably going to be very painful.
btw. I did not see an increase higher than 10-15% on Mango compared to NoDo.
From personal experience 50mb a month is about as sufficient as Borats Swimsuit.
Absolutely not. There is no way you can fit all your needs inside such a small bandwidth cap. You can easy use all 50 withing first few hours on youtube.
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Absolutely not. There is no way you can fit all your needs inside such a small bandwidth cap. You can easy use all 50 withing first few hours on youtube.
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I agree, it'd be difficult, maybe impossible, but who seriously spends hours on youtube on their cell
God, last month I had 1030MB, the month before 790. Notice the Mango increase.I can´t imagine fitting into the 50MB.
As others have said, 50MB just will not be enough. It would be pointless having any modern smartphone with that much of a limit on your data. I have a 1GB allowance and that is more than meeting my needs right now. That is with browsing the net for an hour or two a day (mostly facebook and XDA) I stream radio for around 5 hours a week, and my phone is set to automatically set to sync email etc every hour. All this comes to around 600MB a month. Since Ive now unlocked my HTC 7 Pro I can now tether to my laptop, this will most likely lead to me upping my data plan soon. But even for a light data user I would recommend no less than a 250MB a month plan at the very least.
I run on pay-as-you-go data packets. A 30MB data packet usually lasts me about two weeks. The trick is to turn off 3G when you're not using it (say, you're in your house and you're using WiFi). I usually keep the 3G off except when I want to actively browse the web and no WiFi is nearby, and turn it off again when I'm done.
It's definitely possible if you just browse and use Twitter and Facebook. Streaming audio, using maps for navigation, and other data-heavy activities obviously won't be enough for 50MB.
oops sorry for the late reply. Thanks to all who replied here. think I'll just get a plan with more data. Since I'm kinda a twitter/fb addict.
So I got my letter from ATT the other day saying that they have detected tethering software on my phone and that if I dont remove it by 12/31/12 they will automatically bump me up to the 5GB tethering plan for $50/mo
Whats the best way to resolve this and still be able to run custom roms? Ideally I would still like to be able to tether for free (obviously) but at the very least just be able to not pay the $50/mo and still run custom roms.
I spoke with a customer service rep and told her I had no idea how to tether and asked if they could just put a block on it or something, and she said no, the software has been detected and it has to be removed.
Maybe I should call back and ask for supervisor?
Alternatively she said if I go into the att store and they can look at my phone and see that there is no tethering software, they can make a notation on my account.
So I suppose I could unroot, go into att store, have them note the account, and then root again.... that would probly be my last resort.
Thanks in advance for any help!
No, you do understand the second you tether they can detect it right? They also aren't idiots and can tell if you're running a custom ROM as well
I've heard about Verizon reps commenting about custom ROMs before
So you flashing back to stock and showing them there's nothing on the phone does nothing.
If you don't want to be charged then stop
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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They wouldn't make a notation on the account because tethering is possible with the stock software, there's quite a few apps on the market that allow this. So you could just uninstall it.
You didn't get the letter because of the custom ROM, you got it because you violated your contract by tethering. It may have taken them some time to send out the letter.
They have detected it so they will be watching for future violations
So my suggestion stays the same, stop tethering or pay for it
Pretty simple
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What Phil said although you may not agree with att's rules on tethering...its in the contact and you signed to it so you will get taken off your plan and to the 5gb plan if you continue
Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.
I am fairly new to ATT (came from Sprint)
Does this apply to wired tethering as well? Does someone using wired tether (such as pdanet) still have to pay, or is that free?
The way I think they catch people is # of hops it does to terminate data and packet sniffers so I'd just stay away even though pda may be a bit safer will LTE around theyre hunkering up
For the sake of mentioning this--its a topic which has been raked over in every phone forum, Android, Apple etc nd tablets too.
Doing a general and specific search on the Net seems to point to mostly theory. When I owned my previous iPhones and jailbroke, I used MyWi. However, the devs made it clear you could be caught.
That notion aside-many of us and this includes me, believe it comes down to being abusive with the tethering. Of course many would disagree but if you cared to specifically search iPhone sites and focused mostly on AT&T, it somewhat became clear they knew we were tethering since algorithms change when tethering. In conjunction, we also surmised they went after people who had unlimited data plans and really used the heck out of it.
I personally have tethered many times and many people I know too but we didn't use it too long. I've never gotten a notice from ATT but it doesn't mean they aren't watching. Not be be a jerk but your op is a topic I've seen literally hundreds of times. Everyone claims the same thing but no one seems to admit they abuse it. They noticed you for a reason is what it comes down to. I should also mention I've tethered my HOX as well.
In my personal opinion I believe we should be able to get a free amount of gigabytes to tether. Once over it, then you get charged. This is just a real touchy subject.
These are just my opinions.
Jon
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I tethered without a tethering plan for years, first on my jailbroken iPhone and then on my HOX until I switched to the Mobile Share plans that include tethering. I never got caught, but I was also very careful not to abuse it by, for example, streaming video, moving large files, or doing things that a phone would never do untethered like updating my laptop's software.
I am convinced, from watching this issue over the years, that AT&T does two things: They mainly go after the data hogs, flagging people for tethering detection when they get close to or over their data caps; they also run spot checks on random accounts. Detecting tethering, should you get their attention, is dead simple, by the way. There are any number of ways to confirm it.
Once you're on their radar screen, the jig is up. Your only choices are to stop tethering or get a tethering plan.