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E-TEN Information Systems today officially announced the Windows Mobile 5.0 upgrade program for its current E-TEN brand M500 Pocket PC Phone Edition.
And you have got to admit that both device bare many simularities. So what im wondering is if we can get a hold of thier rom and mod it, or even place some
preasure on I-mate / HTC to give us a little x-mas present early for being such good custome and devoted Imate jammers. I think this path of getting WM5
is a little more feasable than waiting for some of the other solution posted on this forum.
Donno what do you guys think?
No, for a number of reasons.
1. The hardware is different between the E-TEN M500 and the HTC Magician. From processor to memory configuration to video display to camera, there's just too many variables that would make it futile compared to attempting to make a build from another HTC device, if that is even feasible.
2. The WM5 upgrade for the E-TEN M500 will be available no earlier than December 2005. I am hoping that someone would have provided a hacked WM5 build for the Magician before then.
I think the second solution is first to try. Please give us the link of the source of ur news, and should one of our members who speak english natively start to suggest a letter pushing of CDL (carrer devices company, the owner of imate) to develop a new wm2005 rom for JAM. After getting the email of CDL CEO (I think it is easy and avaialible somewre in the forum) we start all to send that letter. I think CDL should respons, or all of us will forward to Eten company as it respects its customers rather than CDL.
The site where the new was found is:
http://www.etencorp.com/presscenter/press.php?pid=45&tid=0
whats getting to me is that Eten , a crappy novalty Pocket Pc company has an update compiled form Microsoft, why cant Imate get them to do us one. This is the 3rd time this has happen to me, I mean when I got my first pocket pc (F-S Pocket Loox 600) the support team alienated its customers and lost many of us even though it later PPC releases were of better quality. HP has done this too with the 19xx series and 63xx series. But from what iI heard Imate had regular updates and free firmware. Looks like they going to follow the same path.
I think all of the distributors of this device, CDL, QTek, Orange, T-Mobile et-al should be pressed for a WM5 upgrade for the magician. Also we should press HTC who actually manufacture it.
That way the distributors and mobile operators might apply thier own pressure to HTC as well as ours. If HTC are being pressed from both sides then maybe they will do something.
In the meantime we await buzz's unofficial version.
Theres a way of starting an online petition we did it to Fujitsi-siemens for the loox and suprisingly it work. Took some time but they went back on there word. But we need on of Admins here in forum who have a little more pulling power than me. I have been read about Buzz's cracked version but i havent put too much faith in it, I guess just preparing for the worst I guess. Any one want to take the responsiblity for it???
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
Why don't we just start to hit their boards to release the magneto for us at [email protected] ? Or else someone has a better way to contact a CEO :lol:
Blueangels, Magicians, Alpine can handle the magneto and even the Himalayas, any suggestions are welcomed..
Damn, ETEN is a crapy ppc and they are releasing the Magneto!!
efjay said:
Best way is to vote with your wallets and dont buy HTC products and switch to Eten. That is the only language corporations understand, money. If they see their customer base switching they will MAYBE think twice.
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the folowing is my history:
Wallabay------> Qtek for one year
Himalaya------> imate (2 different devices as one was stolen) for more than 2 years
Magician-------> Imate Jam Currently for around 6 months
Eten-----------> near future after throwing away CDL products for ever.
I usually don't respect any one does not respect me. CDL is not respecting us, while eten respecting their cutomers, so i think i should switch to eten. From the commercial point of view, i think that it is more benifitial to CDL to release a wm2005 for their old products (not ancient one like wallabay or himallaya) as they will gain the following:
1- they will be respectable from us as this will raise their cutomer support score very much, and will attract new customers as it will be known that the post sale support of CDL is perfect.
2- Their new devices such as JasJar is going will by self pushing power as a new product and will attract the valuable richer customers even old devices such as JAM supports wm2005 or not. In the same time the JAm which is still present in stock with a huge quantitiy start losing attractiveness and its sale curve will decline so much. While there is a large slice of cutomers who cannot afford for JasJar but can afford for JAM but only if supports wm2005 and will go to nokia or sony erricson instead of JasJar, so why not to attract them to Jam by adding wm2005 to it.
3- I am sure that the profit from selling JasJar may be less than Jam as the technology of jasjar is more advanced, so if CDL sells 100 piece of jasjar it will gain for wxample a 10% profit, while if sells 100 piece of Jam it may be 15% profit, especially if we consider that the stock of jam is dead and it is a potential loss and will go to rubbish. So adding wm2005 to jam will revive it and not affecting the sales of jasjar in the same time as it is a new coming product and has its attractiveness.
Finally i hope that CDL, or all HTC affiliated companies rethink regarding this issue and try to continue competeing in this market that of course the winner is the one who respects his customers.
The rumoured xda atom lookslike the magician with WM 2005. Maybe once this device is widely available, someone can hack the ROM.
Greets.
I'm sorry that I'm not with you when you try to boycott HTC.
Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
None of us were ripped-off, and, as they keep supporting in a good way our magicians, they are doing their work. They care for us, as they give us rom updates. Not giving us something that is not free, does not turn them bad, or does not mean they don't care about us (well, of course no corp cares for ppl, they care for income! eten does too). Remember, if they give you WM5 for free, they need to support it, and develop some specific things for it. And ppl will keep magician for a longer time, and will not buy theyre new products like the 9100 and so on.
They will in fact loose money. Do you loose money when you work? I surelly don't.
One possible pressure is for us to call our network operators, and start complaining with them. And better, if companys start blaming for not having WM5 for a so much hyped (by operators) product.
Operators themselves are incredibly more powerfull that any of our petition, IMO.
Even that way, I really doubt that we will see WM5 for S100 (it is my opinion, not a rant). Maybe for christmas, with santa giving it to us.
I am looking forward for the new Mitac Mio with gps and wm5. Now thats what I call a all-in-one
I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Eten sold his M500 with the wm5 upgrade clearly advertised. It was a sell point, so, they sold more M500 because ppl were expecting WM5.
HTC did not advertise any of his S1X0 with wm5. If they were to give away wm5, they would advertise at least S110 to be wm5 ready, and it would be a sell point too. They would win money because of the addded value of wm5.
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Great point I agree but Imaging how much more love we would have for our babies is the have a face lift. I mean think of sending you girlfriend to get a new set of boobs. You would play with then all day!!
Anyway lets hope they give us the option if its possible, instead of only making it available as a selling point for there next device which is more probable. Even if we have to pay and ammount say $40 for the upgrade it would be great!!
Cheers all
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I'm waiting for the Mio as well. My only reason for trading the Magician is .... WM5!!
And guess what, my next device after the Mitac Mio would probably be .... another Mitac!!
So yes, HTC will probably lose money in the near future. Keeping your existing customers happy is much easier than getting new ones!
On the other hand, if a WM5 ROM (hacked or not) becomes available before the Mitac launch, I'll stick to the Magician (my preferred option).
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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Just to consider from the money point of view, in either way, you stay with Magician or purchase a new Mio, HTC is not going to make new profit. Then the question arises: why do they need to endeavor to make you stay with Magician?
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No Zenkle, i am not agree with u, if i bought MIO, so, i will try a new handset and a new company with a new style and post sale support, so may i found them better and will stick to them and don't use HTC anymore. But if i have an upgraded magician the next step will be JasJar or whatever HTC. Second, if i bought a MIO now, so i will upgrade after 1-3 years from now as i will have a brand new device, but if I ve an upgraded magician , i will upgrade for JasJar after 6 months to 1 year at max.
That's exactly the point. Keeping your customers loyal to the brand is all part of the business.
In addition to this, HTC or the carriers of this brand, will soon get the reputation of not releasing OS upgrades, while others (Samsung, ETEN, etc.) may be getting a more favourable reputation of releasing OS upgrades for their devices. This would sure help the latter increase their sales.
Trust me, if they do not give us WM5.0 is that because they would, in the end, loose money with it.
I bet they have ppl doing all the calculations for them.
Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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Trust me, no calculations were required. They simply said, "we'll make them buy something new" and that was that.
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And why not say that. Sure, people on this forum may not go back to HTC devices, but there's millions of others that will due to I-mate, O2, Orange and all the others selling these devices. And the profits made from these devices far outweigh the measly profits made from releasing a WM5 rom for the Magician.
My opinion, I want WM5 to play with, and I have no doubt it will eventually come out once someone gets their hands on a decent version (I'm not bringing up the whole other thread to do with buzz and raptorz). But, by the time I feel it's absolutely necessary to upgrade, not just because I want to, there will be some really beefy PDA phones available and my Jam will be obsolete anyway. Hence, a new phone. Maybe an HTC, may not be. Whatever's best for me at the time. And when I do get WM5, I wouldn't mind having official upgrades and support available for it.
Just my 2 cents worth. :lol:
So companies like HP, ETEN, Samsung and others did not do their calculations? Or they don't have new products in the pipeline? All of these companies are releasing an upgrade, and I'm sure they're thinking "customer service" and "returned customers".
Immediate profit vs long term investment in the brand ... look at o2, they're releasing the ATOM, a COPY of the HTC Magician with WM5 in December, I bet HTC will be losing on sales when this comes out. Had the Magician had a WM5 upgrade and being slightly cheaper than the Atom, the Magician would have a longer shelve life thus paying more for its R&D, etc.
If you havent heard, HTC is in the process of aquiring 50% of DOPOD... all i can say is may God be with the Dopod owners and future Dopod owners because only God know what "tech" support is going to be available for them...
This may seem like a demonic post, but my gf is acting like... she owns the world so i broke up with her and shes trying to make it seem like i caused it.... DAMN PDA's FOR PUSH. damn all instant msg apps. damn ANY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION... (i'm gonna go hole my self in a cave without any electronics.... ok i cant do that, i'll have my wizard with me! hopefully i can find a WIFI network in that cave.)
My guess is that clearly HTC wants to control everything from market to resellers to applications on the device ... Hopefully new players will emerge on the market so that HTC focuses only on device building ... or at least will let us developers build some apps for this devices as they lately slowly lock several APIs... chinese mafia
rain: Well, that's the way it goes! To start from scratch, you gotta ride on bigger companies, then get famous, then eventually fly solo!
And apparently HTC already owns Qtek; can anyone confirm this?
Yes it did ,
if you go to their official web page its in the bottom of it with small letters... Owned by HTC Corp
And when you ask them they say that its their official world wide distributor...
The point is that the politics is similar to the one that MSFT is having but not even MSFT can do it all by their selves, and in my opinion this arrongance is somtimes stupid.
One thing is certain -> HTC will never have a developers web site for support even if its payed (like HP or Motorola has)
As far as I know, Qtek is actually HTC's own brand, so they don't "own" Qtek, they are Qtek.
Yes sorry ,
The Qtek brand its owned by HTC Corp.
My mistake ...
HTC now only needs to extend its market more and more and then be bought by MSFT
It has the biggest carriers, the bigest resellers, now its only supposed to "kill" the regular cell phone market ( Nokia and SonyEricsson)
Looking forward to it...
Dopod was owned by Cher Wang (the Chairwoman of HTC) anyway. So I would think that there will be little change.
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now its only supposed to "kill" the regular cell phone market ( Nokia and SonyEricsson)
Looking forward to it...
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You wouldn't want HTC to totally kill the other competitors - we need competition, otherwise things will get boring.
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Dopod was owned by Cher Wang (the Chairwoman of HTC) anyway. So I would think that there will be little change.
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Obligatory "lol, wang" post.
Also: Does this mean much of anything?
Will HTC stop selling device through its lesser-known Qtek channel, and focus entirely on DoPod?
Will devices be quicker to market?
Will the dopod unbranded firmware be made more freely available?
I doubt anybody can really answer those questions yet, but I totally felt like asking them anyway~
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Will HTC stop selling device through its lesser-known Qtek channel, and focus entirely on DoPod?
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Wow wow wow... easy there.
Dopod: South East Asia and Australasia
Qtek: Europe
Hope that'll answer your question.
Richard,
I wonder if i-mate could be next? for the US market and south african?
And for there club also ... i saw that q-tek is also raising one on their web site... How beautifull is life when the money are not a problem
fone_fanatic said:
If you havent heard, HTC is in the process of aquiring 50% of DOPOD...
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Today's news: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5254.html
It's actually more than 50%! (don't be surprised: the chairwoman of HTC already OWNS Dopod, anyway)
rain: msmobiles.com interviewed the CEO of i-mate at 3GSM 2006 (he claims to be THE designer of THE xda!):
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4919.html
Note this: " i-mate is pondering using other manufacturers than HTC but these other manufacturers cannot be revealed until these phones will be launched"
Now THIS would be interesting!
bobgorila: i-mate operates in Dubai (base), UK, Italy, Armenia, Australia, the USA and South Africa.
I would surely want to see some real tough competition.
Does anyone know if O2 are planning on releasing any new XDA phones in the near future? Within 6 months or so. I know there are new models being produced, but as far as O2 releasing them...
I e-mailed customer services, and they said they 'couldn't tell me'.
Many thanks.
Not sure, but since they don't seems to be having any of the new HTC phones, in 6 months, I would say yes.
Yes there will.
There will be new devices released in the very near future, and quality as well.
The only thing is, as i work there, i cant mention anything more.
Cheers.
Thanks for your replies. I might hold onto my Wizard for a bit yet then, rather than get a Universal. Are you allowed to say when the new models are being introduced? And if there is one which can compete with the Universal?
Many thanks.
I was just browsing through some rss feeds and noticed the driver issue was posted on engadget a few minutes ago. This means that all the other gadget feeds will inherently post the same on their site. HTC is about feel the wrath of our members undying persistence. They mention xda-developers, and the htc class action site as well. Looks like HTC is gonna hafta give us what we paid for. I can't wait. I bet we'll have them damn drivers in a month or so. I know it's been popping up on other news sites lately bu I was SOO hyped to see it on engadget! I'm so frickin excited I can't wait/ gimmme gimme gimme.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-angry-mobile-owners-rush-castle-htc-with-bu/
What's a GREAT News!!!! When you make public (and i say VERY PUBLIC) an issue, treating it as a SCANDALOUS fact, someone has to take measures about it.
I hope this is the situation
www.tweakers.net had also posted something about the driver issue.
Tweakers was among the first big sites to cover it.
They are the biggest dutch IT community, and are in the top 20 of most visited dutch websites, so thats good coverage. In the Kaiser threads on their forums the driver issue also got attention.
Given that HTC is pretty big here, even advertising on big billboards, it might give the regional managers a push to escalate matters.
I just suggested the info to the two most visited IT news sites in France (Clubic and PC INpact). PC INpact provides the IT News for Yahoo France.
I hope it will be published.
We got the BOY GENIUS ON BOARD
The Boy Genius just wrote up an article on the drivers
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/20/htc-shipping-devices-with-sub-par-drivers/
Boy Genius Report too (I sent them a "tip" but I'm sure they knew of this before hand too.. )
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/20/htc-shipping-devices-with-sub-par-drivers/
Bronx31 said:
The Boy Genius just wrote up an article on the drivers
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/20/htc-shipping-devices-with-sub-par-drivers/
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Thanks to me! I Asked them I also contacted the local news papers!
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Thanks to me! I Asked them I also contacted the local news papers!
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Man, I'm telling you, ,,, WE WILL HAVE THOSE DRIVERS!! I've never seen a group of people online, band 2gether, and do what we have done This is incredible, seriously
w00t!! w00t!! I'm guessing HTC will come to its knees in the next week or two. What a glorious day it will be. I'm not certain, but I don't think they will have to do any development of these drivers. I think they've already been written, it's just a matter of paying for the license, and the goods will be ours. Does anybody know? I want to get an idea of how long we're talking about here, before I get to play crysis on my kaiser
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Boy Genius Report too (I sent them a "tip" but I'm sure they knew of this before hand too.. )
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/20/htc-shipping-devices-with-sub-par-drivers/
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Hmm.. I contacted them with this story, Like more people I think...
Yeah, looks like this snowball is definitely rolling. I have to say though, even if the drivers are released, I'm not sure I'll be buying from HTC again. I really have no faith in them after this. Hopefully Eten or imate will step up by the time I need a new phone (although those companies have their problems as well). I think a lot of this has come for the simple reason that as long as people will eat crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. Maybe with this publicity, other companies will think twice about screwing over their customers too.
When even an at&t bloated Pantech C810 is more responsive than an optimized out Kaiser/TyTN II. And HTC still doesn't get it?
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Yeah, looks like this snowball is definitely rolling. I have to say though, even if the drivers are released, I'm not sure I'll be buying from HTC again. I really have no faith in them after this. Hopefully Eten or imate will step up by the time I need a new phone (although those companies have their problems as well). I think a lot of this has come for the simple reason that as long as people will eat crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. Maybe with this publicity, other companies will think twice about screwing over their customers too.
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Seriosly I don't think (use IPAQ few years ago) nobady offer better device like HTC.I also sign the petition when was started.
And most of the device have something in common with HTC:
-Fujitsu-Siemens,HP Ipaq,Qtek,Imate all was developed by old HTC Company before they change a few years ago the policy to sell own branded phones.Search the history and you will see.I use for 2 year and 1/2 HTC products (TyTn,X7500-short time and TyTn II) and i like them and with XDA support I don't think you will find a better combination.
This whole things reminds me of my ipaq h6315 from a few years back. HP and T-Mobile were both soooooo slow in releasing drivers and updates for that device. If it werent for homebrew applications and roms that device would have been nearly useless.
HI All,
I m going to have preowned HTC mobile, just for the experimenting purpose.
I m having HTC Elf, but all all contact and application are in it, and I cant take risk to be cut via communication medium,. so after a long analysis of my budget planner, I m agree that I can go for a prewoned HTC mobile, but which one should I go for, if I am just wanna do all these experiments including porting of android to the device.
Please suggest for which model i should go if we are keeping our range in economy.
Thanks a lot .
You might try the Kaiser, it's a cool device to have. And they've already gotten Android running almost fully. They're attempting to get the camera working, which is the last major piece of hardware that doesn't work right. Plus, you can get a Kaiser for cheap these days.
And please don't post identical threads intentionally, it clutters up the forum and is against the XDA-Developer rules.
Are you planning to get it on Ebay?
I got a HTC BlueAngel for testing purposes a year ago and was glad I did. It was $45, worked perfectly, and came with a dock. Although the keyboard kinda sucks. I would agree with DaveTheTytnIIGuy, the Kaiser is cool, and it isn't much more and is more functional.
Guys are you serious? You really purchase a separate device for "experimenting"?
What exactly do you experiment on the second device that you can't do on the first?