HTC Corp., Taiwan’s largest mobile- phone maker, is studying whether to equip phones with its own operating system, a move that may intensify competition with Google Inc. and Microsoft Corp.
“We continue to assess, but that requires a few conditions to justify” having our own system, Cheng Hui-ming, chief financial officer of the Taoyuan, Taiwan-based company, said in a phone interview today.
HTC’s own operating system would enable the company, which designs and produces phones using Google and Microsoft software, to reduce its reliance on outside developers. HTC is among possible bidders for Palm Inc., three people familiar with the situation said this month.
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I think we have enough mobile operating systems already android, wm, iphone, web os, symbian, blackberry and all the others i forgot lol... But i think htc could make a decent os and if they buy palm it might even be better than android, wm and iphone os.
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I think we have enough mobile operating systems already android, wm, iphone, web os, symbian, blackberry and all the others i forgot lol... But i think htc could make a decent os and if they buy palm it might even be better than android, wm and iphone os.
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Seconded. HTC making some Palm based phones would be killer.
But please, please, don't make yet another proprietary OS based on Linux. Android, Bada, LiMo... how many do we need? Stop the market fragmentation.
Hello XDA-devs ---
I'm just trying to get some kind of visible feedback about whether the new Devvy Awards banner Ad is showing up for you in the ad-rotation on the site here. There is a wide banner version, and a square version. If you've seen one at least once, could you please reply and just let me know -- it'll help a lot!
HERE'S WHY
It would help to give me an indication on where and how to spend money to increase developer awareness of the upcoming VOTING for the first (AND LAST) Devvy Awards for the Windows Mobile touchscreen Platform. These awards pay tribute to the killed-off OS that started this whole multi-billion dollar touchscreen phone & tablet industry way back when XDA-developers.com first started as a website formed to help make the HTC "XDA" a more usable phone on Windows Mobile.
XDA-developers.com has very generously donated the running of these ads for the Devvy Awards, and "we" ("we" is actually just 2 people! ) are very grateful for all the support they've given in so many ways.
Here's what the ads look like:
ADS RUN HERE IN GEOGRAPHICAL TERRITORIES OF THE WORLD
Europe, Asia, Africa, South America may all see these Devvy Awards ads more likely than those of us in the USA, due to the targeting of many ads for USA audience, and the heavy Christmas shopping season where many products are being sold. So the statistical instances of USA viewers seeing the ads is way less -- and that's where I live. So I am hoping for some tangible feedback.
They cost a lot to produce. And the purpose was simply to notify people about the upcoming voting. I intend to run the ads elsewhere, and pay for them to run. So, getting your feedback would also really help me to know if it's a good use of my depleting funds.
Right after Christmas, on Dec 27th, the Nominations Period will begin for the 5 other major Operating Systems: Android, iPhone, webOS, Blackberry, and -- though there is really not enough development to warrant it -- WindowsPhone 7. So I plan to run ads at places where developers on these OSs congregate in forums like these.
I appreciate any and all feedback. Please keep this thread bumped up so others can see it. Everything about this is Recognition for developer dedication and hard work. Thanks!
/quicksite
Thurs Dec 16 2010, 7pm, Pacific time, California USA: no views
So, as of this writing, is this correct? No one on the entire site has seen either the wider banner or square banner?
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Hmm, wonder if this is due to most users here using ad-block software so they see no ads at all. I know that is common...
Still... NO ONE at all? I'm not sure if this is true, or if those who have seen it just don't see this thread.
Topic 1 of 2:
Santa Wrecked the Devvys Site - Damn Him
SANTA MESSED UP HIS GPS USING SAMSUNG GALAXY, *TOTALLY* MISSED THE NORTH POLE, WENT ON A DRUNKEN BINGE, AND WRECKED OUR SITE, and about 150 others on his path....
So Look for Windows Mobile voting on Friday.
$%$^&# Santa! Why can't he leave working things alone? Rudolph and the reindeer have performed flawlessly all these years, but even Santa falls for the hype and gets the Nexus S --- all messed up: http://devvyawards.com
Topic 2 of 2:
THE DEVVY AWARDS BANNER ADS on this site:
So, did anyone at all, in any country, anywhere on XDA, at any time of day, at any point at all, see a Devvy Awards ad? I ask because I spent about $5000 to get them made and they took an enormous amount of time, and the whole purpose is not commercial -- but rather to alert people to the voting for Devvy Awards.
It's hard to complain since, when I inquired about the price a few months ago, XDA offered to donate the ad runs --- which is absolutely wonderful and generous. And yet, at the end of the day, if they didn't end up running at all, then that killled my entire effort, which was enormous, to make it known throughout the site about the awards, which are a day away from voting for Windows Mobile -- and then on December 31st, Nominations begin for all 5 of the major Touchscreen operating systems OTHER than windows mobile:
ANDROID
iOS
webOS
BLACKBERRY
WINDOWS PHONE 7 (though they really do not merit any awards for 2010; not enough development).
*** I am probably going to add SYMBIAN... it's getting new life via NOKIA, and they have largest market penetration of all. Any thoughts?
THOSE NOMINATIONS WILL ALL HAPPEN AT SAME TIME and in much more sophisticated way that WinMo happened here at XDA site earlier this year. They will be web form based, and specific to each touchscreen OS. We have a social media team that is going to work all the major development forums to make sure developers know about the nominations so they nominate their own works/apps. These nominations will run for 5 weeks, thus, all through month om January 2011.
thanks!
/q
So now that Google has acquired Motorola, what does this mean for us? I would assume the big Android backers like LG and Samsung have plan B's? I know samsung has the Bada O.S., not sure what LG will do. But we can all expect that as of today, all plans for Samsung to continue android development has all but ceased. Wouldn't make good sense for them to continue to put money in Google's pocket now that they are in the hardware business.
in case you haven't seen it...
http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/15/google-to-acquire-motorola-mobility-for-12-5-billion/
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But we can all expect that as of today, all plans for Samsung to continue android development has all but ceased.
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It would be silly for Samsung to stop making android phones. Your assumption is just that, and it's not a very good one.
This deal isn't closed. It's still subject to regulatory approval.. and if it gets approved we wont see anything for a while..
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writing is on the wall.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...V0aGFib3U-?sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
If you believe google bought Motorola for just the patents, pass the pipe this way....
Google could have paid a fraction of that, to buy the patents and give motorola a long term lease on them that expires beyond the patent. This occurs frequently. Google just did this a few weeks ago where they bought 1000+ patents from IBM.
Google bought Motorola for both reasons. They realized that apple is running the table with profits on hardware. You can only make so much money giving away your stuff for free.
I hate when companys do stuff like this. This will only turn into another iphone type company. You will see the cost of phones going up.. Google is trying to be the next Apple.
We can all kiss open source goodbye.
Goodbye ANDROID hello MOTOROID OR MOTODROID
Relax, this is a good thing.
http: //androidandme.com/2011/08/news/google-acquires-motorola-mobility-in-order-to-protect-android-from-patent-trolls/
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Relax, this is a good thing.
http: //androidandme.com/2011/08/news/google-acquires-motorola-mobility-in-order-to-protect-android-from-patent-trolls/
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Definitely a good thing. Google will remain open source (they're not dumb enough to put an end to that) and it helps with the frivolous legal battle apple and microsoft has been going after everyone about. I just hope they finally unlock the motos soon. Always liked the phones but I love custom roms too much to deal with a locked bootloader (thus why my X2 went bye bye)
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I wouldn't worry. Google purchasing Motorola actually benefits all Android device manufacturers.
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What does Google buying Motorola MOBILITY have to do with the other android OEM's? Nothing. Google just did this to back up all their OEM's with Motorola's patents.
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Another thing people don't seem to realize is that if Google does begin to behave badly, Samsung et al can just fork the code base.
Nothing is stopping Samsung, LG, HTC, Amazon, BN, and others from forming a consortium to develop there own brand of forked Android OS for use on their own smart phones.
For those that are optimistic, sorry to disappoint, but this is not. I’ve seen this same situation many times and it never works out. In fact, think of the last time this situation has turned out positive for the co-dependents.
I was at a huge oracle conference when oracle stabbed their 2 biggest sponsors in the heart. These sponsors (HP and Redhat) paid millions for sponsorship. They had their logos on stages, bags handed out, and BANG! Oracle announced on Day 1 that they were acquiring SUN and supporting all unix O.S. by themselves. HP had just the previous year made a huge deal with oracle on an agreement to be their primary hardware supplier and even worked on Oracle’s newest tech, oracle exadata, with them. At first, all the lovey dovey stuff came out and HP and oracle both said this was going to be great for both of them. Redhat said the boost in Unix OS would be good for them. NOT TRUE. Redhat is barely staying alive after putting all their eggs in the oracle basket. HP partnered with Microsoft to make the next big thing in the HP slate, vaporware, only to have to buy the PALM O.S. which isn’t working too good. It’s always like this. The mobile industry is about to become a 2 horse race. Samsung, HTC, LG, I see T.V. Sets in your future.
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For those that are optimistic, sorry to disappoint, but this is not. I’ve seen this same situation many times and it never works out. In fact, think of the last time this situation has turned out positive for the co-dependents.
I was at a huge oracle conference when oracle stabbed their 2 biggest sponsors in the heart. These sponsors (HP and Redhat) paid millions for sponsorship. They had their logos on stages, bags handed out, and BANG! Oracle announced on Day 1 that they were acquiring SUN and supporting all unix O.S. by themselves. HP had just the previous year made a huge deal with oracle on an agreement to be their primary hardware supplier and even worked on Oracle’s newest tech, oracle exadata, with them. At first, all the lovey dovey stuff came out and HP and oracle both said this was going to be great for both of them. Redhat said the boost in Unix OS would be good for them. NOT TRUE. Redhat is barely staying alive after putting all their eggs in the oracle basket. HP partnered with Microsoft to make the next big thing in the HP slate, vaporware, only to have to buy the PALM O.S. which isn’t working too good. It’s always like this. The mobile industry is about to become a 2 horse race. Samsung, HTC, LG, I see T.V. Sets in your future.
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Nope, different situation. Oracle's bread and butter is, and has always been, very proprietary software and consulting services. Once they had there own underling OS and control of Java, they quickly began bringing as much as possible in house. That was the Oracle mentality from the giddy-up though and Red Hat/HP should have been aware of that. Very common with companies like that (MS, for example, has a very long and sordid history of doing the same thing).
Google is quite a bit different. For one thing, their bread and butter isn't in Android as an OS, it is in data collection and analytics (for advertising, marketing, and such) as well as various cloud services. Hardware margins being what they are, and Google's core business being what it is, it will be in Google's best interest to make sure that Android continues to be on as much hardware as possible.
yeah if anything the acquisition should be a good thing, hopefully they will take the moto phones and unlock them and put some pressure on other companies to follow suit. i think they will do some good things with moto's hardware and get other companies on top of their stuff, IE updates, unlocked bootloaders, not such garbage UI's, etc, etc......
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Nope, different situation. Oracle's bread and butter is, and has always been, very proprietary software and consulting services. Once they had there own underling OS and control of Java, they quickly began bringing as much as possible in house. That was the Oracle mentality from the giddy-up though and Red Hat/HP should have been aware of that. Very common with companies like that (MS, for example, has a very long and sordid history of doing the same thing).
Google is quite a bit different. For one thing, their bread and butter isn't in Android as an OS, it is in data collection and analytics (for advertising, marketing, and such) as well as various cloud services. Hardware margins being what they are, and Google's core business being what it is, it will be in Google's best interest to make sure that Android continues to be on as much hardware as possible.
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Love ya response. It's a very good point. I looked a little more into it and found that motorola aquired General instruments. The company every cable company uses for it's DVR. apparently motorola owns the DVR patents and is currently suing TIVO. if motorola wins, nobody will be able to record T.V. but them. If Google can get into every Cable box and keep apple from ever creating a DVR.......
Samsung said this:
“We welcome today’s news, which demonstrates Google’s deep commitment to defending Android, its partners, and the ecosystem.”
J.K. Shin, president of Samsung’s Mobile Communications division.
If anything this will boost more innovation.
"This acquisition will not change our commitment to run Android as an open platform. Motorola will remain a licensee of Android and Android will remain open. We will run Motorola as a separate business. Many hardware partners have contributed to Android’s success and we look forward to continuing to work with all of them to deliver outstanding user experiences."
-Larry Page (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html)
Google is anything but stupid, and they're not going to go shooting their partners -- which are the reason Android's so successful -- in the foot. Yes, this is obviously going to result in stronger competition for HTC, Samsung, LG, etc., and of course they aren't going to be thrilled about that, but it also drastically strengthens them against patent trolls and exorbitant patent licensing fees can cut into profits even more than stronger competition.
Plus, keep in mind that Motorola has a seriously low market share compared to HTC or Samsung -- they're in seventh place worldwide. This isn't like if Google bought HTC (which could have afforded to do -- but didn't because HTC has a tiny patent portfolio). In other wordS: if Motorola were the only one making Android handsets, Android would quickly fall to third or fourth place in the OS race.
Anyways, long story short: this means nothing for us other than that the next time we buy a phone, Motorola handsets may be better options. Of course, it just may spur competitors to keep up faster with updates, etc., leading to better devices all-around. Either way, we, the consumers, win.
Falcyn said:
"This acquisition will not change our commitment to run Android as an open platform. Motorola will remain a licensee of Android and Android will remain open. We will run Motorola as a separate business. Many hardware partners have contributed to Android’s success and we look forward to continuing to work with all of them to deliver outstanding user experiences."
-Larry Page (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html)
Google is anything but stupid, and they're not going to go shooting their partners -- which are the reason Android's so successful -- in the foot. Yes, this is obviously going to result in stronger competition for HTC, Samsung, LG, etc., and of course they aren't going to be thrilled about that, but it also drastically strengthens them against patent trolls and exorbitant patent licensing fees can cut into profits even more than stronger competition.
Plus, keep in mind that Motorola has a seriously low market share compared to HTC or Samsung -- they're in seventh place worldwide. This isn't like if Google bought HTC (which could have afforded to do -- but didn't because HTC has a tiny patent portfolio). In other wordS: if Motorola were the only one making Android handsets, Android would quickly fall to third or fourth place in the OS race.
Anyways, long story short: this means nothing for us other than that the next time we buy a phone, Motorola handsets may be better options. Of course, it just may spur competitors to keep up faster with updates, etc., leading to better devices all-around. Either way, we, the consumers, win.
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i get that is what is being said, but if i were in Samsung or HTC's camp, i would be re-considering my funding into a technology where the software i've been depending on could be pulled away at any moment. Now that google has the hardware side covered, if HTC and Samsung keep throwing money that way, it's a big risk.
Microsoft could always have bought a hardware company like Dell, but it knew what that would do to the confidence of other builders. IMO, google should just have bought the patents.
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i get that is what is being said, but if i were in Samsung or HTC's camp, i would be re-considering my funding into a technology where the software i've been depending on could be pulled away at any moment. Now that google has the hardware side covered, if HTC and Samsung keep throwing money that way, it's a big risk.
Microsoft could always have bought a hardware company like Dell, but it knew what that would do to the confidence of other builders. IMO, google should just have bought the patents.
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Like someone else said, it's in Google's best interest to keep android on as many devices as possible. I seriously doubt anything will change for sammy or htc.
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Real nice write up about our issues from the big dog...WIRED. Heres a small portion. Click for the full story. I've been tweeting and posting this link on HTC, ATT and Google facebook pages..
Dear Google: AT&T Locked Down the Best Android Handset Ever, and It’s Your Fault.
The whole promise of Android was that it was an open ecosystem — a contrast Google loves to draw with Apple’s closed system.
At the Google I/O conference in 2010, Google vice president Vic Gundotra intimated that Apple had become the Big Brother it promised to smash.
“If you believe in openness, if you believe in choice, if you believe in innovation from everyone, then welcome to Android,” Gundotra said. “If Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice.”
But carriers, who strangled handset and mobile application innovation for years until Apple wrested control from them, can’t stop themselves from bloating and crippling phones — including the ones Google touts as exemplars of openness.
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/05/google-android-open/
great story and post. i understand where these companies are coming from in locking down phones like the HOX. But like many others, it drives me insane and really does completely mock the integrity of Android. Glad to have Wired on board, hopefully Google, HTC, ATT at least take note of the consumer's malcontent and realize that the further they pander to the masses, the worse their product becomes. I was a truly a deep fan of the OG and 3G iphones but Apple (with the help of carriers) has gone into a SHARP decline over the years and now is really it's worst enemy. I can't accept that as an option of fate for Android.