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WMWifiRouter and connecting to AP

So I've installed WmWifiRouter, and I'm really happy with it as an alternative to Bluetooth DUN/PAN, however, I've run into the following issue:
Once I have WMWifiRouter installed and configured, I am no longer able to use my phone to connect to my home wireless AP. Even when WMWifiRouter is closed, it attempts to connect to the Ad-hoc network that it creates, and will not allow me to connect to my home wireless network. I tried removing the wifi settings for WMWifiRouter, only to find that it I do that, I have to reinstall the program to use it again.
Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how I might work around this issue? I know it's a beta, so there might be something there, but if anyone can help, or if anyone has gotten things to work with a similar setup, I'd appreciate it. Thanks

Is the website even up anymore? I went to it and it didn't even exist. Are they coming out with any new releases. I was also wondering if it would let us set out own WEP key

Absolutely, I JUST downloaded it yesterday...go wo www.wmwifirouter.com . And yes, it does allow the use of your own WEP key in the latest release. Can you comment on the issue I'm having?

Alternately, is there anyone who is using WMWifiRouter on their Kaiser who isn't having this problem? If so, how does yours work? What are your settings? Thanks
I don't know if this will help, but here's what I'm referring to:
It just constantly stays on connecting, and if I try to connect to another network, I get the error:
"Warning. Cannot connect to the network. Check your network and service provider and try again."

I just tried it on my Kaiser and was able to share the connection with a Dell laptop and Fujitsu tablet simultaneously. Speedtest.net showed speeds like 1120k down and 330k up. I set security WEP and could connect, but could not surf sites with I.E. but with settings changed to OPEN everything worked fine.
I too found that after I shut this down that my "normal" home wireless LAN connection would no longer connect. In fact the WiFi radio turned itself off when I turned it on and expected it to auto-connect as it did before. When I went into wifi setup on the Kaiser I found that my home connection was gone! I had to add back my home connection, re-config it's WEP settings and was then able to connect once again.
I also wonder what the "normal" behavior is supposed to be for this application when it's started. Should one be able to simply start WiFiRouter and it powers up the WiFi radio, ICS, and makes the phone ready for connections? I found that it would Not power up the radio on mine even though it seemed to claim that it was doing this.
I then tried launching WiFiRouter again and sure enough, it screws up my home access point connection profile every time by blowing away the settings and password.
I reported this on the WiFiRouter website.

Thanks so much for the reply. I just tried following the same procedure, and it worked out for me too. So weird that I actually had to delete my home wifi settings. It does work properly now though, and on my device, using DCS 1.7, it doesn't shut off my wifi when i disconnect/close the program. Thanks again for the help!

Well...sadly, my problem has cropped back up. Basically, the exact same thing is happening, but the fix that worked before is no longer working. I did get in touch with the makers, and they are aware of the problem and looking for a solution. If anyone else can help, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll try to post again if/when I get a fix. Thanks

You need to goto Wifi connections & deselect the WMWIFI AP. Then click & hold on your home AP & select connect. You may also have to turn of the DHCP in WMWIFI befor doing this, otherwise your other connections will try using it.

OK here's what I just sent to Jorrit at WiFiRouter when he asked for me to try a few things;
TEST-1 Start>Settings>Connections>WiFi "Networks to access" was set to "all available".
1-Ran WifiRouter (WFR), my wifi radio does not power up, WFR showing "Waiting for ICS and WLAN".
2-I manually powered up radio (using AnyButton Plus mapped to key).
3-WFR then connected, BUT it connected to my Home LAN. WFR's settings were set to "Force PC to PC Connection" but it connected to my AP anyway?
4-Disconnected WFR, waited a few seconds, pressed re-connect, it now properly "connected to WFR".
5-Pressed Disconnect, Pressed Quit.
6-Checked "network to access" settings, they were still set to "All available".
7-Checked wireless networks, Home LAN was still there and all settings were intact, WFR was there as well.
8-Manually powered On WiFi, instead of auto connecting to my home LAN, the radio powered itself off in about 1-2 seconds.
8-I manually powered WiFi On for the 2nd time, now I get "Cannot connect".
9-Checked wireless networks, WFR is at top of list with "Connecting" showing, Home LAN is below it, and checking it shows all settings gone.
10-I manually re-entered settings (Checked "this is a hidden network", and entered my WPA-PSK TKIP Key) and tapped "Connect". Then a dialog box opened asking for the network key again. I cancelled and the Home Lan entry disappeared from the Kaiser's network list.
11-With WiFi radio Off, I again created the home lan connection and set "networks to access" to AP's Only, Powered on the radio and it connected OK.
TEST 2 - With "all available" set, could it be the WFR is at the top of the list, and it "beats out" the normal home lan connection? Lets try AP's Only setting;
1-Left "networks to access" to AP's only and started WFR. It started normally (well, with the exception that I had to manually power up wifi) and when I checked wifi settings, "networks to access" had changed to "computer to computer" by WRF.
2-I disconnected WFR and Quit the program, it powered Off the WiFi radio, checked settings and it had switched back to "only access points", home lan was there, settings intact.
3-Powered up wifi radio expecting auto connect to home lan, No, wifi shut-off immediately again.
4-Powered up a 2nd time without touching anything, this time it connected to the home lan without issue.
So I'd say there are a couple of issues,
A-Why does the WiFi Radio shut down on the 1st attempt after quitting WFR?
B-Using "All available Networks" causes problems if WFR is at the top of the list?
C-I hate the fact that I'm the "only one who's TyTN II doesn't Power up the WiFi Radio when WFR starts"
They are working on it...

We think we have isolated the problem (once again the problem is WZC), patch should be forthcoming soon.

Chainfire said:
We think we have isolated the problem (once again the problem is WZC), patch should be forthcoming soon.
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Wow, I hadn't expected a reply directly from you. Thanks very much. I appreciate your attention on this issue. If you have the time and might post when the patch is available, that would be great, otherwise, I'll be checking the the download site. Thanks again.

johnpwu said:
Wow, I hadn't expected a reply directly from you. Thanks very much. I appreciate your attention on this issue. If you have the time and might post when the patch is available, that would be great, otherwise, I'll be checking the the download site. Thanks again.
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Patch will be available when it's done, can't say any more than that. We know what the problem is, but it will not be fixed easily, and the workaround is fairly complex, so it's hard to give a timeframe.

Oh, I wasn't asked for a release date, I was just hoping that you might post when it is released, whenever that may be. I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this, and totally understand that it's not a simple fix. Thanks again.

I have a different problem. I used this program and now I cannot use internet share using my tilts normal data. Very confused and now haven't had internet at home for over a week now. Does anyone know how to fix this?

I can see how that could be annoying. Please see this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1801366&postcount=158. Ignore the content, just download the file, unzip it, run the EXE on your phone. It will create two files, post those here, and maybe I can find out what the issue is.

WiFi - Not working at all HTC Touch Pro

Hi,
Having some really odd problems with an HTC Touch Pro....
It was working fine, IMAP a bit slow over WiFi but nothing I couldn't put up with, I was using: 1.66.405.1 then today the WiFi just disappeared... Nothing
Whenever in comms manager I clicked on WiFi I got the whirling WM icon and then nothing
I faithfully backed up and reflashed in case it was something I'd done... No nothing..
I've since upgraded to 1.90.405.1 and still have the same problem!
Does anyone have any bright ideas to how I can get WiFi working again.

I should add that in the Wireless LAN settings screen it says:
Wireless LAN is OFF. Turn on Wireless LAN (but clicking the link has zero effect!)

touch pro wi fi not working
i have the same problem pls someone help

Try to upgrade to ROM 1.90.456.3, I hope you will get rid of many problems in Touch pro.

htc touch pro
can you pls tell me how am i going to do this PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I'm quite happy flashing ROMs (I've installed enough on this one!!!)
But can someone tell me where I might find ROM 1.90.456.3 (it's not in the Wiki)

Or any ROM people believe will fix my WiFi problems?

This is really frustrating!!

I'm having issues too. Wireless had been working fine then out of the blue last night I couldn't get connected back to my wireless LAN. Now its been a day and still cannot. I rebooted my router and one of my access points. This is driving me nutz...

Does your wireless icon even come on, or does it just sit there with the rotating icon and nothing happens before it goes back to the comm manager?

I'm going to reflash this again - can someone suggest a stable ROM that might solve my WiFi problems?

mavk said:
Does your wireless icon even come on, or does it just sit there with the rotating icon and nothing happens before it goes back to the comm manager?
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The wireless adapter was active and could see the networks, but it could never authenticate.
I did a hard reset and it's working again but I have to say the connection is a bit flaky in that it drops frequently even though I have a strong wireless signal.

Currently I don't even get that - it just toggles back to the "off" position after whirring for a little while!

I flashed it with the Elite ROM still nothing.
Took the battery out overnight, lo and behold this morning turned it on and the wireless icon appeared, the device promptly crashed!
After the reboot the aerial icon flashed up "network detected" and I nearly jumped for joy as I entered my password, only for it to crash again.
On this reboot the aerial icon was alive with the arrows going left and right as if it was trying to pickup an IP address, but nothing and when I went into comm manager or the settings menu it said wlan was not active (and wouldn't let me activate it!).
I've just reflashed it again with NATF Rom and still nothing, don't tell me I have to leave the battery out for 12 hours to get it?!

Settings>Connections>Wireless LAN>Power Mode - make certain that the slider is all the way to "Best Performance". With the slider anywhere else, connection will be difficult. Drove me nuts for a few days until I discovered a thread for other HTC machines on another site.

Surely I have to be able to turn on wireless first? I can't even do that!

I too have this issue, and have never been able to find ANYONE who can fix this issue,flashing to the latest rom version from AT&T to see if it will work then, if not, i think i might set my phone to factory and claim my insurance/warranty on this phone to get another one since almost nobody is having this issue and those that do say "search the forums" i have, and have found tons of people with it, but no fixes!

I have exactly the same ... because i use wm 6.5 (my own cooked) i thought is me did something wrong so flashed again with a new build,then nothing i went back to 6.1, still nothing seems the wifi controller is totally disapeared from the system unable to comunicate with the controller all progs i tried came back "The pipe is being closed" what is that i cant even see any wifi controller related in the system....
Someone please.anything works fine except WIFI

any recent developments on this issue?
I just recieved a BRAND NEW Fuze from HTC and im so pissed that the wifi isnt working......

I have the same problem ... i have flashed some ROM, some RADIOS, but the wireless still not working ...
Any ideas

Enough of this bull, I'm returning my Touch Pro 2

(Edit - I finally fixed this issue. No more bull. See latest post from me in this thread)
I have been trying for months to get Tethering or Internet Sharing to work on this device. Every hack, every edit and every .cab install I tried has not helped. There has to be something wrong with this phone.
The following is copied from another forum I posted in.
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I did the DUN removal in service menu. that is , removing "dun" from "[email protected]" . Restarted phone, started internet sharing (with internet sharing cab hack), and connected. Go to open Internet Explorer on XP, the page actually starts to load ..... but then stops doing anything after about a few KB of data .. and then refuses to connect to any site afterwards. Tried Opera on XP, nothing. I only get Network errors like there is no internet connection. Disconnected and re-connected. Still .. network errors and no page loads. Disconnect. Try tethering instead of internet sharing, again. Add the extra modem strings like was suggested. It dials, Error, there was a hardware failure in the modem. Try again,.... hardware failure... try again, wait......wait .....wait.... it just sits there while still saying "Connecting". 2 minutes pass.. still "Connecting". Hit disconnect... and it sits there forever saying "Disconnecting". I close out that window. I disconnect and restart phone and PC. Try again, no difference. Remove the strings, no difference. Go into modem config and then diagnostics window. Query modem, Error, modem failed to respond ..repeat 4 more times... on the 5th try it says "Success" and gives a list of usable strings. I decide to "Query modem" again. Error.. modem failed to respond. I repeat and it will say "Success" every 2nd or 3rd try.. every other time its a dumb error.
Keep in mind I tried with the stock data cable and it made no difference. And yes, the USB ports are 2.0 compliant and work very well.
In the following, I copied a series of lines from the Modem log. I used "L" in place of of the date to avoid having to type so much out.
ModemLog_HTC USB Modem.txt
12th line down and continuing....
L12 01-17-2010 02:33:09 Initializing modem
L13 CD is high while initializing modem
L14 Send: AT <cr>
L15 Timed out waiting for response from modem.
L16 The modem failed to respond to the initialization command. Retrying one more time.
L17 115200,8,N,1, ctsfl=0, rtsctl=1
L18 CD is high while initializing modem
L19 Send: AT <cr>
L20 The modem failed to respond to the initialization command. Retrying one more time
L21 115200,8,N,1, ctsfl=0, rtsctl=1
L22 CD is high while initializing modem
L23 Send: AT <cr>
L24 Timed out waiting for response from modem
L25 Session Statistics:
L26 Reads : 0 bytes
L27 Writes : 9 bytes
ATQ0V1E0 - OK
AT+GMM - XV6875
I never went through so much bull and STILL not get my internet on my PC. I hope VZ has another unit in stock because I AM swapping this.

Have you considered just tethering via WiFi? I use WMWiFi Router without issue. I just re-installed after upgrading to 6.5 (MR1). It took me about 5 minutes to load ICSInstall and WMWiFi Router and be up and running. It worked just as well with the stock 6.1 ROM.
If you can't do it with WiFi, maybe try PDANet? (Haven't used it with the [email protected])

ya take ur panties out of the knot you've tied them in and just use wifi router. jeez

I cant afford Wifi hardware right now.. I figured it would come to this. I also didn't feel like spending $100 on wifi **** only to find out it will probably do the same thing as IS and tether. I think there is a problem with the internal ethernet adaptor. If that is so, then Wifi wont work either. Thank you for your opinion ... and thanks for the help secretagentman.

The ICS/Modem cab works perfectly on my VZW TP2... Just make sure the network connection is set to Verizon Wireless and it's all good. No settings to change, nothing to adjust, just plug in and go!

THE-COPS said:
I cant afford Wifi hardware right now.. I figured it would come to this. I also didn't feel like spending $100 on wifi **** only to find out it will probably do the same thing as IS and tether. I think there is a problem with the internal ethernet adaptor. If that is so, then Wifi wont work either. Thank you for your opinion ... and thanks for the help secretagentman.
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PdaNet works very well on the TP2 in tethered mode. It has wifi capability, but use the USB cuz my wifi is kinda funked up. Highly recommended!

sweena1 said:
PdaNet works very well
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Yep, try PDANet with a USB cable if you don't have WiFi. Haven't used it with the TP2, but used it all the time with my XV6800 on VZ!

This is free and works. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4170499

I decided not to go to VZW today. Someone convinced me that a USB WiFi card will work. It's not that much so I wont be breaking the bank.
I have always known about PDAnet. I don't see any reason to use it unless you're using a dumbphone and using WAP. I already pay VZW for data, why would I want to pay AGAIN for PDAnet? Thanks for the tips everyone. It's not this phone, don't get me wrong... the Touch Pro 2 is the best damn phone I have ever owned.. aside from the tethering to the PC problem. I would never trade it in for some other phone at VZW. I thought there has to be a defect in either the internal Ethernet adaptor or the internal RNDIS adaptor. There shouldn't be all these connection problems... my Q9M tethered without ANY problems, and I left it online all night.

Try the software i listed. It is free. Dont pay extra for a usb broadband plan

WMWiFiRouter works just fine using the WiFi connection -- however, I have had numerous issues with the USB tethering.
WMWiFiRouter isn't that expensive and it works. I do not have any opinion on the other suggestions since I've had WMWiFiRouter for a long time.
I have found out the the CM_Guardian_Service is the culprit when it comes to the USB tethering.
HTH

WMWifirouter is the way to go..tether via WiFi, USB or Bluetooth. Can't be beat!!

I'm confused. What's wrong with the HTC WiFi router? It's free and works great! -For Sprint at least...

I'm going to try the free one first. Actually there are 2 free Wifi apps. If the free works, then I saved a few bucks.
A Mod friend over at Smartappsworld is sending me a spare usb wifi unit. Thank you again Paul. Hopefully I can get it to work. If it does, I WILL be so relieved. I spent months just trying to get the other crap to work. I never know if it's something on the phone, or something with my computer. My PC is aged, but I keep the software up to date. The thing with XP is, it's getting too old to update. Seems like it just gets more complicated and creates more problems.
And as for CM Guardian, I disabled that long ago when I was trying to install different versions of Opera Mobile. Hasn't been running ever since.

ICS/Modem cab works perfect on my TP2 (TELUS).
My first TP2 worked in minutes of the install. The replacement phone, Bluetooth died after a week, ICS would not work. I tried everything! I thought I was losing my mind. I could not figure out why it would not work. Then I read a small detail somewhere... you have to have the SIM card in the phone or it will not work. When I picked up my replacement phone the tech never installed the sim card when he activated it. In fact he suggested I don't bother putting it in. He said to just purchase one in the place you are traveling to. I didn't care either way, I don't travel much. Once I found that little detail I inserted the sim card and PRESTO everything worked, still does.
Good luck!

I use WiFi Hotspot myself and it works every time. I did pay 25.00 for the program but it was worth every penny. I use it with my laptop and my IPOD touch when I want internet access outside of my house. It may say on their website that it does not work with Verizon but I assure you that it does as I have never had an issue connecting to the internet using the hotspot. I have had up to 3 conections at one time between my laptop, ipod and husband's laptop and we had no issues. Hope you get it working but if not I would recommend WiFi HotSpot without an issue

Update. Just got the USB WiFi device yesterday (thanks Paul). Installed software and drivers. Then installed HTC WiFi (Mobile WiFi Router) on the phone. Rebooted both. Plugged in USB Wifi, got drivers installed without hassle. Turned on Wifi app on phone and BAM, it works flawlessly. No errors... NO bull. I am SOOOOO relieved! And I might add it is much faster than that USB tethering I had on my Moto Q9M. So easy to set up , and no slowdowns whatsoever on the PC.
Thank you to everyone who helped... or tried to help. It IS appreciated.

OK, but do us Verizon users have to run the
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=96739 tethering hiding cab?

Need Help, Possible new WP7 WIFI bug?

(This is not device specific errors.)
HTC HD7, used for 2 months. From 2 days ago. basically stopped connecting to WiFi networks with NEW names. As soon as taping on the new network, it goes to 'connection unsuccessful' error instantly. (Not even trying to connect), while my other devices working fine on these networks. The phone is actually able to connect to any other wifi network it had previously remembered (SSIDs like linksys, netgear, even other hotel wifis, coffee wifis,). I have tried at least 10 different new wifi network, the phone simply refused to connect..
Note with 'secured network', phone asks for a password, but as soon as taping 'done', error message appearing straight away (connection unsuccessful, note, if typed wrong password, does give a different error, 'invalid password') and ask to retype password. Note, this is not due to wrong password, the password has been thoroughly tested.)
Any ideas?? I have been travelling a lot with my phone these two months. Like 10 different cities...imagine the number of wifi profiles saved in my phone?? like 100+?? The windows phone give up on me?? Comeon....my iphone has not done that in 3 years....
Additional note, the tested networks are 802.11b/g not n. So should be fine......
Since this HALF BUILT windows phone 7 SW does not have other useful menus that allow me to explore a bit further in the phone. All I can do is just restart wifi, phone.....I do not want to reset..BTW, the SW does not offer reset setting option...only reset whole phone.....?
Possible solution:
1. I have read through this forum. Looks like it is possible to play with the registry files (to remove some of the wifi profiles)?
2. When I get home, I will change my home router to the SSIDs that the phone might have connected to and delete them when they pop up to free some space. This way, I should be able to verify my theory!

If you long press a remembered wifi profile, you get the option to delete it

Yes, of cuz. But u have to let the remembered network to appear in your list in the first place? How do you do that when u r travelling around?
This is just ridiculous.
I am seeking methods outside what I mentioned above.

Waiting for someone to help here...

I have tried to change my home network SSID to those the phone had previously remembered and made some discovery.
Basically the phone is able to connect to thos old SSID given they are unsecured. I was also able to delete those profiles...
However, here is the however, after deleting several old profiles, I still was not able to connect to new wifi network...And what was worse, after restarting the phone, I cannot connect to the previous SSID I have just deleted....
Basically, the phone has stopped accepting new Wifi profiles....This is some serious software bug.

A SW that is full of BUG and no fixes and no one cares...

OaG_sGm said:
A SW that is full of BUG and no fixes and no one cares...
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I imagine Microsoft tech support would care if you called them.

The only thing you can try is to hard reset.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using Board Express

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A SW that is full of BUG and no fixes and no one cares...
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I didn't realize we worked for MS. Like most severe smartphone problems, you need to hard reset. If you talk to MS support they will tell you that, if you call the OEm, they will tell you that as well.
edit: and how do you know this isn't device specific?

The OP is correct. There is no way to delete remembered wifi networks without actually being in its vicinity. I have had this problem. Sometimes, a soft reset fixes the problem. Other times, I delete the network, then try reconnecting. Other times, if the router is accessible, a quick power rest fixes the problem. Also, sometimes, connecting to another network, deleting it, and then reconnecting back to the desired network solves the problem.
However, there are times that the wifi simply refuses to connect no matter what.

This looks more like an software problem. But I should not have said it is not a device specific problem 100%.
Till today, I have used Tune to backup my pictures...but have not decided to reset it yet. Cuz a lot of things need to be manually restored..
I think I will wait for the first important update come out and see if that fixes anything.
All of these arises because the OS is like a rush job, a lot of functions and menus simply does not exist.....
My phone still refuses to connect to ANY NEW wifi network. Including the one it remembered (if I delete them)

This problem has not been solved still. Just wondering is any body else having the same problem?

just ride off wp7, go for android htc desire hd,this thred will go for soooooooo many pages until you get solved your problem.please dont waist your time here like me.

This problem has been FIXED with March update!!! Now the phone runs faster and there are heaps of apps. Now I am waiting for flash and skype api etc...

[Q] Wifi issues on my GF phone, could use some help please!

Heres the story. My girlfriends wireless has stopped working recently. Doing some reading I found out that there is the hardware isue but she doesnt have the International version, has ATT, completely stock. I didnt have a whole lot of time to diagnose and im not familiar with this phone, have an S3 myself. What I did do was check the signal and it did say excellent and connected. If this was the hardware issue it wouldnt make sense to have any connection at all without the antenna working would it? What it does do is just sits and tries to load webpages like there is no connection while my phone sitting right next to her was just fine so shouldnt be some kind of router isue.I hate asking for noobish help and usually dont have to on the phones I own but I dont have a lot of access to hers and have done some searching with no real answers. If any of you could be kind enough to point me in a direction to figure out if this is hardware or software related and maybe some fixes I would really appreciate it! In the meantime, back to searching.

If you go into WiFi settings, does it actually show the name of the right access point and "connected"? Sometimes you can be associated with an access point but not authenticated, and so you won't get an IP. Perhaps from entering the password incorrectly. Try "forgetting" your router and re-associate.

What's her software number and have u tried a factory reset

Thanks guys. I will try to forget and redo her connection. I did forget to say that this is suddenly happening on the 3 connections she uses almost everyday so not sure if that tells you anything. I do not know her revision number but will get it and no I haven't tried a factory reset either, I was hoping to not have to go that route as I'm sure nothing is backed up at this point and she is pretty phone illiterate, this is her first smartphone and she will freak if things aren't where she put them lol but may have to bite the bullet and do it.

Mess around with it a bit, I really don't think it should come down to a factory reset. If all else fails you can also try rebooting the router. Try connecting to another AP. If for some reason you can't connect to ANY WiFi, then maybe factory reset it is.

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Mess around with it a bit, I really don't think it should come down to a factory reset. If all else fails you can also try rebooting the router. Try connecting to another AP. If for some reason you can't connect to ANY WiFi, then maybe factory reset it is.
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Well like he said the other phone is fine on the same router. I don't think the router is the issue here

Your router doesn't have MAC address filtering on it does it? I know the latest ROMs have changed the MAC address of the devices. Try that maybe?

What happens when you toggle airplane mode on and off?
Sent from my HTC One XL

xxnu said:
Your router doesn't have MAC address filtering on it does it? I know the latest ROMs have changed the MAC address of the devices. Try that maybe?
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He said she's on stock