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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Read this first.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
And then read the site for a month or so. "What is ROM"? Really???????
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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LOL! Very true though.
Sepig. People are going to bash you if you don't spend a lot of time reading the wiki and forums before you post questions because you can seriously screw up your device if you don't. From your post, it will be a while before you can upgrade your phone.
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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Flaming is a bit pointless if done to someone who, as was obviously the case here, comes with a complete blank and probably doesn't even know what a wiki is and what/where to look first.
On the other hand, it's a perfect opportunity to throw one's wisecracks at the noob and entertain the forum. A bit too easy though, don't you think?
There is a difference between helping or spoiling
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
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Totally agree! This forum is not started just a few days ago. There are plenty of info. to solve most problems. Encourage people being lazy is actually not good for them. No need to scold them but just point them to the right place to read. If they don't. Just ignore them. I've been ignored before, but now I am able to cook my own Kaiser ROM.
Spoiling people is not helping.
In fact I would propose there is a black out period like 24hrs to 48hrs that a newbie cannot start any new thread. They may post to ask question but not starting new thread as soon as they register the forum.
Sad but true.
It seems that people are not into reading these days. Such a shame, cause reading makes you intelligent ! *ping*
No but seriously, read the forum starting with the Wiki. After that please remind yourself that you are NOT an IT-geek which makes the whole process probably even more dangerous. After the coscideration that your computerskills utterly -suck- , click cross in the right-upper-corner and have a nice day.
with love!
I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
No ill feelings to the original poster, as we were all there one day,
but to see it as a thread headline made me laugh!!! Actually made my day!
No worries, ROM Flashing is easy as hell!!
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I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
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Nobody get paid in this forum. You pay Dell for their machine so you may and should entitle some service. If you get some free service AND some free spanking in this forum, that is life, no flesh does not come with blood. Even experienced one may get spanked once a while by asking non-sense question. No need to be too thin-skin.
You may also be the lucky ones who has plenty of money and being pampered and like the noobs who like to ask million dollar question like "Which is the best ROM in this forum?" or "How do I flash my ROM step_by_step with guaranteed no risk?" or "Where do I get free SIM unlock service?" and expect an answer right away.
Many people paid to have their machine unlocked. Getting knowledgeable advice from someone is a service and entitled to get compensation for. Talk to a lawyer for advice, you will fully appreciate all the good folks in this forum and they are the one needed to be pampered and not the noobs.
One will learn and learn by reading this forum. It is more like drugs to me now.
He hasn't replied, that is good, that means he is doing reading and reading and reading..... If he is not, why he want to risk his $600 machine and ended up blaming everyone in this forum for not helping him or prevent him from doing that.
I don't think he was flamed by the #2 or #3 or # .... He is being educated! He is benefiting by this experience! The machine that's saved maybe his!
Please note there is a note in this forum which says:
Reading this Forum (Wiki) may be hazardous to your health!
Hey, I think it may also be hazardous to your family life, your love life, and/or your current job! Not just your machine!
Lets get a bit real here...
The name of this site is XDA-Developers. There is a bit of a clue in the title as to a certain amount of pre-knowledge. This guy asked what a ROM is - he could have got his answer from dictionary.com but instead decided to go to a group of people who are (or were) efectively researching on the forefront of the XDA pda's.
Most noobs (me included) have a lot of experience of computers but at first they don't have any idea of how to translate this into WM5 or WM6. But they learn quick because they already have the pre-knowledge to enter a developers site. This question was nothing like that and there is a greater than 90% chance that we'll be fending off the 'what is the best rom', 'how do I insert the stylus', 'how do you spell brick' type of questions unless he is discouraged from proceeding without some serious reading.
I know there are nice and nasty ways to tell someone what to do, but my experience of these forums is that people who don't read will not read the 'help granny cross the road' style of advice - but they do tend to get the point when flamed a bit (and it could have been worse).
Anyway, I hope he's gone away - keeps reading and then comes back a bit better prepared. And lets face it - anyone can flash a Rom, but not everyone can recover from a bad flash - and bad flashes is what we want to prevent at any cost.
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Actually, I bricked my first PDA phone on the second day... That's when I found this forum However I managed to unbrick it. Somehow. Can't remember the how.
What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
For example: I come to the Polaris upgrading thread, I´m looking for a fast ROM. Actually I use bepe 0.67, but I wanna try some others. So lets have a look...Hmm, "Vega R3", "Diamond R4", "PhamQuang"..you see, lots of ROMs.
BUT: I want to know which language it is (I think its something like WWE...what is WWE?? just a joke, I know what it means..), is radio included (I normally expect that..), what have I to watch out for when flashing it & how can I flash it (this is often included, but again, very slangy explained) etc etc etc !
In other words: Many infos are provided. But questions and answers from the rest od the thread could be added to the first/second/third post so people dont have to search for hours (yes, i tried for hours !!!!)
What to do ??
There should be some sort of template for everyone posting a new tool, ROM etc.
Must-haves of a post:
** What is it? What can I do with it? What do I need??
** What language is it
** changelog (in 90% cases included)
** links for good explanations (what is... a ROM, radio, hard-spl, WWE etc)
!!!!! Please, just make one standard thread for such infos; one single, long post, explaining "xda-developers"-language
** Links to other websites/downloads that are useful
Such questions should be summarized for each device and PLEASE write in plain english language, for everybody around the world !
And please, dont post links to threads which arent up to date or are not as userfriendly as they should be!
Another suggestion: Give me the infos I HAVE to know at ONE GLANCE. As I said, language, radio included, installation etc..
I know, what you are thinking right now: We already did this and much more than that. BUT, once again, this is just too less for n00bs like me.
And imagine, 50% less people you have to tell to use the search because you just make a understandable download-post/site with all necessary information...wouldn´t that be nice ???
regards,
Martin,
Austria (NOT Australia..)
[EDIT] You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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great responce
Im saying what you dont want me to say m.schmidler, use search...
God there are written SO FRICKEN many tutorials, we have been gathering links, in the threads in the wiki.
Dont we spend enough time cooking, developing etc? Should we start a school also? Who is gonna pay the teachers? you?
No, im not gonna spend more time making it easy on you, there are so much info, so much threads to help new guys (noobs) that im damn amazed that you cant figure it out.
If you cant figure out how to find stuff on XDA, then you really should sit down and think just for a sec.
Try HTC support, or MS support. Try see how helpfull they are, how they explain every thing you think you need to know.
Get a grip on reality man..either that or you and the rest of they guys demanding the things you do can start paying us by the hours we spend on making your device better.
And hey, yea, I know, my roms, and other cooks roms has bugs, flaws, this and that missing wich you deperatly need or w/e. But you know what, here is an idea:
Go back to using stock roms (here is a little help, just to show that I CAN be nice too:
Stock ROM=A operating system provided with the phone you have, in this case windows mobile, and it is not modded, altered or changed in any way. But hey, maybe that was to hard to understand too??)
Im sure the forum could be better, but making posts like that..
let me sum this up in a few words:
Respect the time we use on this, if not you will see that many of the beloved developers here just leave..and btw...thats happening all over the forum because of **** like this
OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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LOL! How about he gets promoted to a Mod, then he can go through and change them all just the way he wants by his specs !
Hey Guys, pls...
Hey Guys,
Im new too and I know about the probs in the forum, but the seniors and mods. are right, when they say that we, the users, should use the search an read the wiki.
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
But with the manuals and the posts of the other guys it makes me happy!!!
This is a great forum!!
Stay tuned!!
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What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
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You know, this IS a developers forum. There is kind of the understanding that when you see certain keywords like ROM, .NET, C++, winlibs, MSDQ, SQL, etc...that you aleady know what it is and do not need explaining.
If every developer explained everything their releases could do, down to the finest detail, they wouldnt have any time to develop, they would just be posting all day long. I don't think anything more than one or two lines (which is the case now), is needed for a good explanation.
This forum is perfect for my needs, and since it IS a developer's forum, you cannot expect it to be setup like a regular forum for non-techies. I mean, you don't see any soccer moms on here...no offense to the small minority of soccer moms who develop, lol
::: Connor
wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said
There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around.
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. Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW:
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
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I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said . Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW: I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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I agree I have been around since - alot of years - I have just flashed for the first time. (On that note I hope you donated some money to Bepe) You flash quickly if a) you are stupid B) You have loads of money or C) you are a happy go lucky chappy.......
good luck son, piss some more people off! The seniors and moderators work very hard and for you to come in this quickly........ Wouldn't it be more sensible to read, read, help, help, help, understand, understand, understand, understand, and then do the whole lot again. and then offer some advice. People listen to people that are intelligent and not to quick off the mark.
This is a complicated forum with a hell of alot of info. I want to offer my congratualtions to the Mods here and say THANK-YOU.......
Will
OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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hey man, relax, i got the point. I already said, i recognized it was just a stupid post and u are right. BUT there are two ways telling me that and some replies are really a bit offending.
I hope you accept this "mistake", but it´s just a normal reaction when coming to a forum..other newbies are thinking nearly the same.
Nevertheless, when I post into other threads here please don´t think of me as some kind of moron who just annoys people the whole day
Ok. I think we should let everyone get on with what they do best. Let Noobs search and read and learn (which he has already accepted) and let the experts cook their ROMs and let the users flash them to their devices
He's got the point of no spoon feeding from anyone in here coz everyone who's a developer today was a Noob yesterday and learnt everything from the forum pages
I would love to close this thread to avoid any further forest fires, but since papamopps has a post in it, I'll leave it to the best of his judgement
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OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
and next time after reading and not flashing.....start thinking first before you psot such a thread in 2 different subforums
regards
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
regards
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Thank you, kind sir.
Yet I found the idea as quite sound and thoughtful, IMHO. If only it didn't sound as too "i need to be spoonfed" and being bashed right away. LoL
Standard templates/formats are increasingly become a necessity nowadays. In my work, they are the hero of the days. Tons of thousands of reports and informations are being streamlined in a common acknowledged formats. It saves time for BOTH information originators and users/readers. Imagine what they could do to this wonderful forum, it will save time, energy and space for not wasting them in basic queries and responses. Discussion could be more fruitful since it will only talk about advanced and detailed items since all basics are already covered in page 1 in standard form.
Again, if only the idea given some thoughts over
I don't know, but I can see pattern here that every single noob are being treated the same - the harsh way. And some people are also enjoying picking on them. I actually agree to some extent, since it also quite amusing sometimes, but please be more humane. I understand fully that sometimes they (noobs - including me) are so ignorant and lazy and almost always giving stupid and silly ideas. But it's not always 100% like that.
If you want to despise one's thinking, please despise the thinking, not the person. Just because he/she a noob, all his/her ideas are equally stupid/silly? It's an Argumentatum Ad Hominem, and it's not fair.
Noobs is only by definition that the person is new to THIS forum, the WM and HTC thingies forum. But it does not necessarily mean that the person is new to Internet Forum, right? You'll never know, but maybe the person you bash is actually a mod/admin in other respectful internet forum. Yea, who knows? So, I wish this forum could be more gentle to people.
Lastly, we know that this is a DEVELOPER forum. But it also never written that no noobs entrance allowed, right? Whoever now devs, chefs, mods and seniors are once noobs too. So anyone, including noobs, are actually a potential member to contribute to this community. It only requires time and well-grooming techniques, not hammering each one of them.
@Herr Martin Schmidler
Not a very bad idea at all, mate. I understand your frustration, since i sometimes felt the same. For me, the built-in search tool is quite (sorry) lame. And google does refine it a bit, but quite lagging since the gatherer bots need some times to cataloguing new items. But please always be respectful also to others, especially the seniors, they have spent so much time and energy building this great community. We cannot expect them to treat us as if we were kids. Guten tag, liebe gruss!
Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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HEAR HEAR!!!!
I had to do a lot of reading to get my RC30 back to RC29, then reflash the recovery image, then reflash w/ the patched RC30. One topic had the recovery.img install and a whole other post had the patched RC30 install. There was no link to the USB driver for the G1 needed for ADB to communicate, I had to go find that on my own (not hard).
One problem I had was I couldn't execute the SU command in the ADB shell. It said that the command wasn't found - which is because I was still trying to put the recovery image on with RC30. I had to ADB put the file and then use the terminal on the phone to execute the shell commands needed to flash it. I don't know if that was a typo or if the directions were from RC19 where it might have had the SU command included but I couldn't do it from RC29.
Perhaps if someone were to put all the steps in the right order with links to the proper files all in one page - it would be simpler for people trying to do this. Of course there are two sides to this - too easy access to steps that can brick the phone can result in a huge increase of dead phones being sent in for warranty, too difficult a procedure can also result in the same thing with half finished installs.
All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not. The people who can't figure it out on their own probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place since there really isn't anything that "Joe I-Just-Upgraded-From-A-Sidekick" should be doing w/ root access at the moment.
I think this is the most well laid out version of the walk through we have. Unforutunately, no one has stickied it, and it falls like a brick. It should also be updated with the new instructions. If anyone has the time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443797&highlight=step
The very same problem with multiple posts is also screwing us Android Newbies. We dont know where to start. Searching is great, I am a big fan. But unfortunately we dont know WHAT to search FOR. This is a new process to us, and there isnt a Android for Dummies book yet. Once a GOOD turorial is made (I think this wiki covers it now)(edit, plus the link above looks great too!), this will die down. Until then, a lot of us have NO idea what order to do these steps in, and apparently we are asses for asking. Sorry we aint all smart n stuff, but we has to lern somehow
I will be following the Wiki that I posted above when I have some down time, until then I will crawl back in my WM equipped corner and STFU so as not to create unwanted posts.
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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
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and to the bajillion differing instructions on how to root/devboot/jf 1.3
u got everyone telling you different things to do... my guess is when you had root there was one topic to do root. one option at a time. now the people who just got root obviously know to use the happynew.zip or the other 2 listed but after u got the ability to root i read about 4 other stickies on what to do next. blindly since people dont clarify i took the risk and did it how i wanted and got stuck in a boot loop. thank god common sense tells me that i should pull the battery and then put back in and vola booted up. then i loaded it into bootloader and then vola saw skate boards.
instead of insults you can take the time and spend it helping other people with your superior expertise hell i wasnt even half way through finishing my phone and took time to help out....
happy holidays.. to you as well
I have to agree that figuring out how to get root and the updated stuff is a little confusing. When modified RC 30 first came out, there was just 2 posts you could refer to and after reading it was fairly straight forward. Now those posts seem to have disapeared/modified.
I had to read 3 different topics and 3 different wikis before i kinda new what to do. the instructions being not very clear on where things should be done, terminal in linux or on the phone.
Im not here that often, but IMO the search is awefull, not returning search results for posts i know exist or bringing up tons of unrelevent information. and im not a newb to searching, im an active member over at a mycolgy forum and the search there is awesome and that site is based on the same type of forum as this.
that aside, this is an amazing forum. You all put in a **** load of effort to make things better for all of us. Im well impressed that its only taken 4 months.
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no, there were still tons of threads on how to do it.. in fact, it was probably WORSE when i was rooting my device.. since there was no structure to the postings at all.
I just took my time and read all the information available to me.. and it was very simple.
and for the record, im not even talking about the posts in the 'hax my phone' threads... im talking about the tons of old threads that all the new rooters are reading now that they have root and asking ridiculous questions that have been answered months ago.
and..
"All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not."
There is a good reason that the information is scattered all over the place. RETARDS CANT HIT THE SEARCH BUTTON! If they did a search for it, and read for a little bit before posting questions at random, the information wouldnt be scattered about.
If people dont have time to search and read about something that they are interested in doing, then they should just leave it alone.
let me also add, that it isn't always about the search button. It just about reading the threads all the way through, then asking questions. Because 99% of the time people's questions have already been asked.
So, if you are new to all this, just read all the posts and you shouldn't have to make a post yourself. ever.
"Bush and Cheney are hanging out in the oval office one day, and Mr. Bush picks up a paper and reads teh headline: 7 Brazillian men killed in latest attacks.
Bush cant believe what he is reading, he says "7 brazilian men killed [email protected]! We gotta get these sons of b!tch3s"
Then he turns to Cheney and says " How many is a brazilian? "
triple post ftw
d0nkey said:
Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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Yeah lets not post on a forum... I hear ya about searching but alot of info on here is from one end to the other.. And isnt this a FORUM???? Who would want to post a question on a forum? Thats just CRAZY!!!
Yeah im bored. Just sick of all the dont post n00b questions....this isnt a forum post LOL
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I agree with ya too BUT this is a VERY busy site. There is info on here for every phone out there. Soooo there is going to be alot of traffic and alot of people in a hurry to get a answer to there problem and nooo they arent going to use the search button. Its just something that has to be gotten used to. Going to be like this until this site closes.
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
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exactly that u got 2 months or more on a topic that doesnt even apply and this carries over to the wing thread AND everyone else.... you see that little number next to each post here watch this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3113025&postcount=144 takes me to the exact thread and POST if i am referencing ANYTHING but no one seems to use it. so we sift through 300 posts to find outdated info then wonder why people get mad.... and both the searches on this post are not the best. i typed in adb in the build in search because i can exact it to the dream thread " SORRY No matches found" honestly now. we are smart but dont inidate us with a topic hashed to death with things 3 months old and expect everyone to not ask questions...
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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well stir the pot or not hopefully this calls attention to how PEOPLE in general post there things. it is not just the dream forums it was a habbit of the rom cooks in the wing as well as im sure many other posts.... like i said before if those editing or modifying threads to include new updates it would be helpful to say forinstance for those downgrading skip these steps and follow from post #87 or copy that little number 87# of that threat into it as a link. we do appricate everyones hard work but making it not so clear causes confusion. if you were unsure that you would brick your 400$ phone modifying it with out dated material would you?
First time poster.
Got to say, I've found it /really/ easy to get the answers to any problems I've stumbled into, the sticky posts are great, and any bodges have been my mistake not following the posts.
VERY impressive community.
i think you guys are right im one of the guys that just got root last night and i think people should search the forums and google b4 the start looking for easy way out
So I've tried reading through some of the introduction threads, but there's so many jargon terms thrown out casually that I have no idea what half the posts are talking about.
I just "exchanged" my old AT&T Tilt for the AT&T Fuze, and I'm loving it. However, I want to update my ROM to windows mobile 6.5, and get into customizing it a bit. I know the first part is the hardest, because you run the risk of bricking the phone.
Since I have no experience doing this, could someone help walk me through the process?
I know I most likely want a 'cooked' ROM, and I've read the tutorial a few times, I'm just not sure I'm understanding it correctly due to some of the terminology. I'm also not entirely sure what ROM I want yet, and was hoping someone might be able to point me towards one that fits my needs.
Again, sorry if I'm asking when I just just be leaping. Will someone please hold my hand and give me some chocolate milk and talk me through changing the ROM? >.<
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
well if you had clicked his link you would realize that post is exactly what you were asking for.
also. No one can pick out a ROM for you. Browse through them and test a few out. it only takes a few moments to flash a new ROM to your phone.
What terminology are you having trouble with? if you search for it in the wiki or in the post that was linked above then you will undoubtedly find an explanation.
A good site for general overview, if you can handle the writing style, is blown fuze. I gained a lot of info reading this, even though I don't have a Fuze yet (but would like to get one).
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Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.
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take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.
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TO THE OP
Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help
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Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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Perhaps flashing is not in your future.
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TO THE OP
Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help
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Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
wow. I'm surprised. If you actually read through the link several times and you still did not get it, you were skimming it or you really really do not have a strong grasp on the english language.
Hell, it's even numbered. How much easier would you prefer. If you want suggestions for ROM choices, it is entirely up to you. Every rom has their own unique "style" that they offer and they describe it all in the first post. Energy, NATF, etc all explain their roms in great details and some even provide extra steps.
My blunt suggestion here is that before you tell others to **** off for referring you to where everyone else has use as reference and successfully performed a flash, you should save your rudeness for yourself. Also, if you have any questions on terminology, ask which jargon is throwing you a wrench in your direction following process. That would make it much easier to explain.
P.S: seriously read through that damn sticky, it is as clear as a swarovski crystal. Follow it step by step and don't "do your thing" and you'll have a successful flash.
btw. way to be a jackass to those who have already given you the answers you asked for.
EDIT: TLDR version. Be polite, and follow the directions to the letter. and ROMs are your personal choice since they're all unique and they come in full explanations as to their purpose.
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Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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I see your arrogance is getting you far
Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything
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Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything
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Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out. I was able to get the few basic questions I had regarding installation and some pointers to help me find a ROM that fits my needs. Since then I've done a few flashes and all have gone off without a hitch.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.
Speaking of "It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all."
If you want help here this is NOT the way to get it.
This is a community of great minds and mutual respect, not somewhere for someone to start making demands and throwing out general negativity.
No one here thinks you continue to be rude, THEY CAN READ IT FOR THEMSELVES.
Everyone here is willing to help, but you need to help yourself first. You're off to a really great start....
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Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.
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Dracius said:
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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Sorry Dracius, i'm with the majority of people here who think you're rude and havent understood the idea of this site - its a community developement site, not a one-stop download & personal tech support center.
The instructions in the flashing guide are exactly what you need to start you off in the world of flashing roms. It has a "before you start" backup part - with a link to free backup software.
It then goes on to explain exactly and in detail how to flash (GSM) hard spl - including a link and instructions to ensure you have a GSM phone. It also tells you to ensure you dont have any other programs running / screen saver etc which might throw a spanner in the works.
Following that, it says - if you want to - how to sim & security unlock the phone, including the required link.
Next it details how to flash a rom, including a very helpful line
1. Download your prefered Rom from the Raphael Rom Develpoment Page and unzip/unrar it to your computer
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Your prefered rom - remember this is a guide on how to flash - not what to flash. To decide that, read the details in the rom forum, read other users feedback - and then when it doesnt help, do what everyone else does and try half a dozen to see what it is you want your phone to be like.
Finally, the guide tells you how to flash a different radio - and again says this is optional. It then links to a radio thread which explains what the radio does and why you might want to flash it.
If you have a problem with any part of the process (or pretty much anything related to your phone) then (after searching & reading) make a post explaining what your problem is - and what you have done to help yourself (say exactly which threads you have read, and why they dont help you / what you dont understand) - people will generally help.
This isnt what you did.
Oh, welcome to the community.
Well at least he got a welcome
theoneeye said:
Well at least he got a welcome
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No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.
Bruce Inman said:
No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.
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I know mate I was only kidding
theoneeye said:
I know mate I was only kidding
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I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....
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I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....
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I saw that thanks
I am not new here but I am new to the Raphael section
(I had a Blackberry Storm for a year sorry )
I'd like to request a completely untouched version of this ROM with the exception of root. (No debloating, no deodexing, no zipaligning, etc...)
I'm surprised this didn't come out first and I think many would appreciate it as well.
[ROM]RUU_Mecha_GINGERBREAD_S_VERIZON_WWE_2.10.605.1_Rad io_0.01.78.0802w_3_NV_8K_1.41
[ROM] ZIP format: RUU_Mecha_GINGERBREAD_S_VERIZON_WWE_2.10.605.1_Rad io_0.01.78.08...
2.10.605.1 Debloat|Deodex|Rooted|Busybox|Zipalign
[ROM] [FLASHABLE] 2.10.605.1 Debloat/BLoat Options
you don't need anyone to make one...
Instead, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226156
and read/use the information and links it contains...
KidJoe said:
you don't need anyone to make one...
Instead, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226156
and read/use the information and links it contains...
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I was aware of that but it would be nice if someone can uploaded a completed version of this to save quite a bit of time.
open1your1eyes0 said:
I was aware of that but it would be nice if someone can uploaded a completed version of this to save quite a bit of time.
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Its a couple extra steps, and doesn't really take much longer than flashing a rooted rom file. Plus flashing the patched HBoot is safer, and for how "easy" this is.. I wouldn't expect any dev to take the time and make just a "rooted" version of the rom to flash.
Odd. I don't see anything in the forum rules that say people should ask for help. I don't blame the guy for asking. Why not? What's next--create your own ROM, why should others do it? Figure out your own root method instead of asking someone if they have?
For all the people who give the guy grief about asking, maybe someone else will say, "yeah, that's a good idea" and help the guy (and others) out.
Joel
I think it's more that this person is asking in multiple places for a few hours. Coulda had it done by now. Just rubs some people the wrong way.
Wow guys, well I think I can officially say XDA is no longer the same site I thought it was....
FYI, I had already done the posted method no problem. The only reason I made this thread was in an effort to request if a developer (of which I am not) could create a simple ROM that would help other newbies out and make it an easy one-flash task so they don't have to worry. But no, I guess it's a sin to be a newbie now huh? How dare anyone request something so simple from a developer (especially when a well known dev already spent more work creating another version of the same ROM). So this should be even harder for them to do right? And honestly, why anyone sees this thread as a forceful obligation for someone to fulfill the request is beyond me.
Very productive and helpful posts everyone. Great job at showing how supportive XDA has become...
You do realize pulling the rom.zip from an RUU takes about 2 minutes to accomplish, including the time it takes to google the "how-to". But you would rather bother a dev to do it for you, adding the trouble of having to wait the 20+ minutes to upload the 350MB file to waste precious personal server space for a single person's downloading convenience. A 2 minute job turned 30 minutes of someone else's time cus you didn't feel like it. The difference between a good noob and a bad noob: good noob asks how to get roms from RUUs, bad noob tells someone else to do it for them without hesitation.
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open1your1eyes0 said:
Wow guys, well I think I can officially say XDA is no longer the same site I thought it was....
FYI, I had already done the posted method no problem. The only reason I made this thread was in an effort to request if a developer (of which I am not) could create a simple ROM that would help other newbies out and make it an easy one-flash task so they don't have to worry. But no, I guess it's a sin to be a newbie now huh? How dare anyone request something so simple from a developer (especially when a well known dev already spent more work creating another version of the same ROM). So this should be even harder for them to do right? And honestly, why anyone sees this thread as a forceful obligation for someone to fulfill the request is beyond me.
Very productive and helpful posts everyone. Great job at showing how supportive XDA has become...
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Oh please, you are defending yourself ex post facto because you were attacked for being shown that if it matters that much to help the new commers you could make what you wanted pretty quickly by following a how-to. If you really want to help them, you could have probably finished the how-to and posted it in the time you took to complain.
It's great to do things for anyone new and I am all for it (which is why in the few months I have been an official member, I have 60+ "thanks," most of which came from answering questions or giving out useful information.
No one is attacking you for wanting to help noobs, but people will call you out when you claim to want to help and are shown, but ignore it anyways. It comes back to the quote:
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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If all someone said was to google it or do this yourself without telling you how it could be done with links or something then that would be messed up, but they did not. They gave you links in both this thread and the other (the other thread giving you EXACTLY what you requested in a link).
IMHO if you really want to help those you say you want to help, you could create a post in the developer's forum linking to the post that someone gave you in the other topic from rootzwiki. That way they can be pointed in the right direction.