Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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HEAR HEAR!!!!
I had to do a lot of reading to get my RC30 back to RC29, then reflash the recovery image, then reflash w/ the patched RC30. One topic had the recovery.img install and a whole other post had the patched RC30 install. There was no link to the USB driver for the G1 needed for ADB to communicate, I had to go find that on my own (not hard).
One problem I had was I couldn't execute the SU command in the ADB shell. It said that the command wasn't found - which is because I was still trying to put the recovery image on with RC30. I had to ADB put the file and then use the terminal on the phone to execute the shell commands needed to flash it. I don't know if that was a typo or if the directions were from RC19 where it might have had the SU command included but I couldn't do it from RC29.
Perhaps if someone were to put all the steps in the right order with links to the proper files all in one page - it would be simpler for people trying to do this. Of course there are two sides to this - too easy access to steps that can brick the phone can result in a huge increase of dead phones being sent in for warranty, too difficult a procedure can also result in the same thing with half finished installs.
All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not. The people who can't figure it out on their own probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place since there really isn't anything that "Joe I-Just-Upgraded-From-A-Sidekick" should be doing w/ root access at the moment.
I think this is the most well laid out version of the walk through we have. Unforutunately, no one has stickied it, and it falls like a brick. It should also be updated with the new instructions. If anyone has the time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443797&highlight=step
The very same problem with multiple posts is also screwing us Android Newbies. We dont know where to start. Searching is great, I am a big fan. But unfortunately we dont know WHAT to search FOR. This is a new process to us, and there isnt a Android for Dummies book yet. Once a GOOD turorial is made (I think this wiki covers it now)(edit, plus the link above looks great too!), this will die down. Until then, a lot of us have NO idea what order to do these steps in, and apparently we are asses for asking. Sorry we aint all smart n stuff, but we has to lern somehow
I will be following the Wiki that I posted above when I have some down time, until then I will crawl back in my WM equipped corner and STFU so as not to create unwanted posts.
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Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
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and to the bajillion differing instructions on how to root/devboot/jf 1.3
u got everyone telling you different things to do... my guess is when you had root there was one topic to do root. one option at a time. now the people who just got root obviously know to use the happynew.zip or the other 2 listed but after u got the ability to root i read about 4 other stickies on what to do next. blindly since people dont clarify i took the risk and did it how i wanted and got stuck in a boot loop. thank god common sense tells me that i should pull the battery and then put back in and vola booted up. then i loaded it into bootloader and then vola saw skate boards.
instead of insults you can take the time and spend it helping other people with your superior expertise hell i wasnt even half way through finishing my phone and took time to help out....
happy holidays.. to you as well
I have to agree that figuring out how to get root and the updated stuff is a little confusing. When modified RC 30 first came out, there was just 2 posts you could refer to and after reading it was fairly straight forward. Now those posts seem to have disapeared/modified.
I had to read 3 different topics and 3 different wikis before i kinda new what to do. the instructions being not very clear on where things should be done, terminal in linux or on the phone.
Im not here that often, but IMO the search is awefull, not returning search results for posts i know exist or bringing up tons of unrelevent information. and im not a newb to searching, im an active member over at a mycolgy forum and the search there is awesome and that site is based on the same type of forum as this.
that aside, this is an amazing forum. You all put in a **** load of effort to make things better for all of us. Im well impressed that its only taken 4 months.
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no, there were still tons of threads on how to do it.. in fact, it was probably WORSE when i was rooting my device.. since there was no structure to the postings at all.
I just took my time and read all the information available to me.. and it was very simple.
and for the record, im not even talking about the posts in the 'hax my phone' threads... im talking about the tons of old threads that all the new rooters are reading now that they have root and asking ridiculous questions that have been answered months ago.
and..
"All of the information is out there but there isn't a very clear path towards it. I don't know if making it easy for any idiot to do is a good thing at this point or not."
There is a good reason that the information is scattered all over the place. RETARDS CANT HIT THE SEARCH BUTTON! If they did a search for it, and read for a little bit before posting questions at random, the information wouldnt be scattered about.
If people dont have time to search and read about something that they are interested in doing, then they should just leave it alone.
let me also add, that it isn't always about the search button. It just about reading the threads all the way through, then asking questions. Because 99% of the time people's questions have already been asked.
So, if you are new to all this, just read all the posts and you shouldn't have to make a post yourself. ever.
"Bush and Cheney are hanging out in the oval office one day, and Mr. Bush picks up a paper and reads teh headline: 7 Brazillian men killed in latest attacks.
Bush cant believe what he is reading, he says "7 brazilian men killed [email protected]! We gotta get these sons of b!tch3s"
Then he turns to Cheney and says " How many is a brazilian? "
triple post ftw
d0nkey said:
Now that a bajillion people have rooted rc30 all of a sudden, how about we all take a moment to hit the search button and read all the posts before you start asking old old old ass questions??
'Tis a good day for non-rooted people but c'mon. For weeks there were just a handful of new posts in a few threads on a daily basis, now i come back from the new year and see every single thread with a "PLEASE HELP ME IM ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY WHAT DO I DO???".
To most of you new rooted g1 users.. every problem/question you may have has probably already been asked/discussed already. Dont post stupid questions in old ass posts please.
kthxbye
p.s. flame away.. boss is gone and im bored.
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Yeah lets not post on a forum... I hear ya about searching but alot of info on here is from one end to the other.. And isnt this a FORUM???? Who would want to post a question on a forum? Thats just CRAZY!!!
Yeah im bored. Just sick of all the dont post n00b questions....this isnt a forum post LOL
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It just about reading the threads all the way through, then asking questions
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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I agree with ya too BUT this is a VERY busy site. There is info on here for every phone out there. Soooo there is going to be alot of traffic and alot of people in a hurry to get a answer to there problem and nooo they arent going to use the search button. Its just something that has to be gotten used to. Going to be like this until this site closes.
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If that is the case, then maybe the posters need to be more responsible with their posts. For example, instead of a new post Koush changed the topic to "How to get Root on ALL G1s - RC30 and RC8+ INCLUDED!! (Updated 1/1/2009)" which is great for the first post. Then, as you read the second you quickly figure out that this stuff is a month old and only the first post and the last page pertain. All it is doing is making things more confusing. A NEW post with the same heading, and a timelined group of questions that are RELEVANT to the topic would have made things MUCH less confusing. And these are the experts, so they can follow it and figure it out.
If someone had a map of the steps required to downgrade, as well as the steps to achieve a modded RC30 and it were made a sticky, that would likely end many of the questions. I cant speak for everyone, but I dont mind learning- but there is no structure to the method of "learning" you expect of us. Until there is, you will continue to see the questions.
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exactly that u got 2 months or more on a topic that doesnt even apply and this carries over to the wing thread AND everyone else.... you see that little number next to each post here watch this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3113025&postcount=144 takes me to the exact thread and POST if i am referencing ANYTHING but no one seems to use it. so we sift through 300 posts to find outdated info then wonder why people get mad.... and both the searches on this post are not the best. i typed in adb in the build in search because i can exact it to the dream thread " SORRY No matches found" honestly now. we are smart but dont inidate us with a topic hashed to death with things 3 months old and expect everyone to not ask questions...
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I can't disagree with that. Now that we have a way to downgrade, there should be a main sticky post that has instructions on how to do it all and some of the other posts should be removed / merged into the new one.
But, im not a mod, nor did i make any of the walkthroughs.. nor did i make any of these hacks.
But my complaint is not that there are questions being asked, thats a given. I just dont want the same questions asked in every single post related to this. Especially the old posts that dont need to be brought up anymore.
A moderator should make a 'general root Q&A' thread, and a thread on 'how to root your device'. Then kill the rest of them.
but, what do i care. im just bored at work and i want to stir the pot
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well stir the pot or not hopefully this calls attention to how PEOPLE in general post there things. it is not just the dream forums it was a habbit of the rom cooks in the wing as well as im sure many other posts.... like i said before if those editing or modifying threads to include new updates it would be helpful to say forinstance for those downgrading skip these steps and follow from post #87 or copy that little number 87# of that threat into it as a link. we do appricate everyones hard work but making it not so clear causes confusion. if you were unsure that you would brick your 400$ phone modifying it with out dated material would you?
First time poster.
Got to say, I've found it /really/ easy to get the answers to any problems I've stumbled into, the sticky posts are great, and any bodges have been my mistake not following the posts.
VERY impressive community.
i think you guys are right im one of the guys that just got root last night and i think people should search the forums and google b4 the start looking for easy way out
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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Read this first.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
And then read the site for a month or so. "What is ROM"? Really???????
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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LOL! Very true though.
Sepig. People are going to bash you if you don't spend a lot of time reading the wiki and forums before you post questions because you can seriously screw up your device if you don't. From your post, it will be a while before you can upgrade your phone.
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
ach2 said:
Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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Flaming is a bit pointless if done to someone who, as was obviously the case here, comes with a complete blank and probably doesn't even know what a wiki is and what/where to look first.
On the other hand, it's a perfect opportunity to throw one's wisecracks at the noob and entertain the forum. A bit too easy though, don't you think?
There is a difference between helping or spoiling
tugas2khas said:
yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
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Totally agree! This forum is not started just a few days ago. There are plenty of info. to solve most problems. Encourage people being lazy is actually not good for them. No need to scold them but just point them to the right place to read. If they don't. Just ignore them. I've been ignored before, but now I am able to cook my own Kaiser ROM.
Spoiling people is not helping.
In fact I would propose there is a black out period like 24hrs to 48hrs that a newbie cannot start any new thread. They may post to ask question but not starting new thread as soon as they register the forum.
Sad but true.
It seems that people are not into reading these days. Such a shame, cause reading makes you intelligent ! *ping*
No but seriously, read the forum starting with the Wiki. After that please remind yourself that you are NOT an IT-geek which makes the whole process probably even more dangerous. After the coscideration that your computerskills utterly -suck- , click cross in the right-upper-corner and have a nice day.
with love!
I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
No ill feelings to the original poster, as we were all there one day,
but to see it as a thread headline made me laugh!!! Actually made my day!
No worries, ROM Flashing is easy as hell!!
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I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
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Nobody get paid in this forum. You pay Dell for their machine so you may and should entitle some service. If you get some free service AND some free spanking in this forum, that is life, no flesh does not come with blood. Even experienced one may get spanked once a while by asking non-sense question. No need to be too thin-skin.
You may also be the lucky ones who has plenty of money and being pampered and like the noobs who like to ask million dollar question like "Which is the best ROM in this forum?" or "How do I flash my ROM step_by_step with guaranteed no risk?" or "Where do I get free SIM unlock service?" and expect an answer right away.
Many people paid to have their machine unlocked. Getting knowledgeable advice from someone is a service and entitled to get compensation for. Talk to a lawyer for advice, you will fully appreciate all the good folks in this forum and they are the one needed to be pampered and not the noobs.
One will learn and learn by reading this forum. It is more like drugs to me now.
He hasn't replied, that is good, that means he is doing reading and reading and reading..... If he is not, why he want to risk his $600 machine and ended up blaming everyone in this forum for not helping him or prevent him from doing that.
I don't think he was flamed by the #2 or #3 or # .... He is being educated! He is benefiting by this experience! The machine that's saved maybe his!
Please note there is a note in this forum which says:
Reading this Forum (Wiki) may be hazardous to your health!
Hey, I think it may also be hazardous to your family life, your love life, and/or your current job! Not just your machine!
Lets get a bit real here...
The name of this site is XDA-Developers. There is a bit of a clue in the title as to a certain amount of pre-knowledge. This guy asked what a ROM is - he could have got his answer from dictionary.com but instead decided to go to a group of people who are (or were) efectively researching on the forefront of the XDA pda's.
Most noobs (me included) have a lot of experience of computers but at first they don't have any idea of how to translate this into WM5 or WM6. But they learn quick because they already have the pre-knowledge to enter a developers site. This question was nothing like that and there is a greater than 90% chance that we'll be fending off the 'what is the best rom', 'how do I insert the stylus', 'how do you spell brick' type of questions unless he is discouraged from proceeding without some serious reading.
I know there are nice and nasty ways to tell someone what to do, but my experience of these forums is that people who don't read will not read the 'help granny cross the road' style of advice - but they do tend to get the point when flamed a bit (and it could have been worse).
Anyway, I hope he's gone away - keeps reading and then comes back a bit better prepared. And lets face it - anyone can flash a Rom, but not everyone can recover from a bad flash - and bad flashes is what we want to prevent at any cost.
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Actually, I bricked my first PDA phone on the second day... That's when I found this forum However I managed to unbrick it. Somehow. Can't remember the how.
I've been seeing a lot of hostility & berating in the Kaiser forum lately. A lot of it stems from noobies with posts about things that have already been resolved, or about fearfully wanting to flash a new ROM.
A lot of the people with the really advanced CE knowledge are always busy & subtracting from their time affects all of us because they have less time to innovate & create.
I was thinking what if we created a new Sub-forum for Noobies with issues or with a desire to flash, but not the knowledge. We could have a few people there as Mods or some sort of assistant mod as a clearing house for the noobies that are coming everyday.
This could be a introduction to XDA & a way for the Noobie to learn good community principles & basic beginer knowledge. Learn how to post, search & where & how to find the information they need. A way to break them in, with a few patient people helping & guiding them.
If there were more serious issues you would then only have one or two persons bugging everyone else, (& the gods like Oli, Jocky, Dutty, Chainfire, & all the others I'm forgeting) instead of every noobie with the same question every day.
I am up for doing something like this, I've learned a lot here, & I'm sure one or two others would also be willing to give some of their time to make this place better.
With the tools available through IM & File Sharing thru MSN Messenger, I think we could cut the number of duplicate posts, & flame responses in half easily making it easier for everyone to find the information they need.
What do you think?
1. Is a noobie flashing & problem sub-forum a good idea?
2. Are you willing to help out & give back?
Yes and Yes
Every forum goes through this crap whenever a new flashing starts. Just realise that you were a noob once and get over it.
Just ignore noob posts if you don't want to help them.
That won't fix the problem. Why? The n00bs that post repeatedly answered questions don't read...and if they don't read then they'll post in the wrong forum because they "didn't know any better"...
This comes back to the same thing I've said all along...you can't fix stupid. Yes, we were all n00bs at one point. In many ways we will always be n00bs because tech changes so fast. But the majority of us take the time to read and research a bit to make sure the question hasn't been asked or to make sure we have all the information we need before embarking on the addictive ride of ROM Flashing. The ones that aren't willing to do that will most likely not bother asking questions in the n00b forum...they'll just post away in the Upgrading forum without a care in the world.
I understand the frustration with seeing so many of us lose it and unleash the fury of a thousand flames upon the unsuspecting n00b...and I apologize for my part in that...sorta...because I think they do deserve to have their brains bashed in by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick for not reading...
Agree with jarek91, can't fix stupid, just have to hope that they evolve quick enough to not be a consistent nuisance or hope they end up on the darwin awards email.
well, if we keep ignoring, soon, we'll get tire and stop coming here because the forum is flooded w/ noob questions (those questions have been answered numerous of time). They start the question with "I've searched, but could NOT find anything" eventhough the answer is in the stickies just above their questions.
BTW, before you criticize me, GSLEON3, or anyone for supporting the new sub forum for newbie, remember that, this forums is xda-developers, we develop and share knowledge. We welcome noob, but dont want to spend too much time with noob questions (most of the time I ignore )
xultar said:
Every forum goes through this crap whenever a new flashing starts. Just realise that you were a noob once and get over it.
Just ignore noob posts if you don't want to help them.
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I DO REALIZE THAT! I'm talking about centralizing it & am willing to help. I don't think that this is part of "Every Forum", this is the Kaiser Forum & includes the best & brightest from XDA. So why not make it a different forum, set it apart from the others & make it a better community through helping others. I think this would not only help the noobie, but everyone as a whole would benefit because the upgrading forum would be less cluttered making the search function actually usable to the new guy that doesn't undestand how to narrow his searches.
I understand about not reading, but they'd learn quickly if they see they only get answers if they go to the big bold "NOOBIES START HERE" forum. Especially if there's a sticky that says "Your post WILL be DELETED unless".
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I understand about not reading, but they'd learn quickly if they see they only get answers if they go to the big bold "NOOBIES START HERE" forum. Especially if there's a sticky that says "Your post WILL be DELETED unless".
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There was a stickie?
Which is exactly how that would be met. (So I'm a pessimist...)
We've all asked "n00b" questions, and we should be allowed to do so. If you make a forum called "n00b questions" the same people who don't read the stickies will STILL post in the main forum, and say they didn't see the "n00b questions" forum.
It's unavoidable, and the best thing we can do is help the people who ask these questions by telling them to search, but also providing them the answer, so that they learn and get their answer.
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We've all asked "n00b" questions, and we should be allowed to do so. If you make a forum called "n00b questions" the same people who don't read the stickies will STILL post in the main forum, and say they didn't see the "n00b questions" forum.
It's unavoidable, and the best thing we can do is help the people who ask these questions by telling them to search, but also providing them the answer, so that they learn and get their answer.
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I still ask dumb questions from time to time. My intent is not to slam the new guy, quite the opposite actually. I'm talking about a sub-forum where they can find the answer & a little support to some of the most common questions & issues that arise when entering the world of Flashing & Upgrading.
A place where a few willing people can hook up with the new comer & use tools klike IM & filesharing to walk the new guy through flashing & problem solving, kind of hands on instruction where you can walk the timid newcomer through his issues while using the tools to show him, through his own action, how to figure things out. Again, a sort of less advanced clearing house of sorts. Not a place of punishment for being new, but more of a "Welcome to XDA, figuring this stuff out can be fun & exciting, let me show you how" type of a place.
I like the noobie, & I really like the noobie that has a "I think my phone is bricked" challenge. I just think it would be a nice touch to have a place for the new guy to go where he could not just find the answers, but the reasoning behind them.
I also know that many don't read the stickies, but people do read the forum headers, the name of the forum & sub-forum, & if they saw "This is the place to get answers about how to flash & fix flash issues, that is where he's gonna go. Everybody else has been here long enough to know that if they have a major contribution, where it should be posted.
It would be like tiered service, most noobie problems are similar & can be handled there, if something more advanced pops up, or a bug detemined to affect many, then the mod or admin bumps it up to the next level.
Oh, & mcmexican you think everyone's an idiot
Maybe this is material for a new thread, but...
I think we should use a new wiki.
1. The wiki software used here is pretty bad.
2. The wiki here takes up bandwidth.
Using something like wetpaint.com (there are many others) provides a place that's different from here, using someone else's bandwidth.
Also, they have easier-to-edit wiki's. I think the more attractive, organized, and navigable the wiki is, the less newbie problems we'll have.
nevermind...
I think the subforum sounds like an excellent idea. I'm not nearly an expert but have done some flashing and so on and would gladly help out if I have the time. Only problem as I can see is that it will be hard to draw the line between the "noob forum" and the regular one.
i am trying for ten minutes to put my thoughts into words...English is not my native language. i hope i am gonna be able to make myself understood...
here is how to do it:
1. create something like a gate or tunnel where newbies have to go through. some thing, where they cant right away post something. they can read.
and if they want to post a tread, they have to go through some kind of selection menu or so. just like on ebay when you want to sell something.
so lets say someone wants to post a tread, there is a selection of main toppings they have to go through. and so on. till they get automatically redirected to the answer of what they were going to ask in the first place...
they are forced to go through some kind of multiple choice thing...
2. i think its super annoying when someone like dutty brings out a new ROM and you want to read through it, to find out what might be wrong with it, just to read a million people saying: cool man, thanks dude blablabla.
don't get me wrong. i love his ROMs. but i should sent him a pm or create a poll thing so people vote on how much they like it. his treads reach easily 2000 replies. 1900 are thank you notes...
thanks dutty,
georgios
I agree. The same people not searching the forums, nor reading stickies, the Wiki, or any FAQ's will post in the regular forums anyway. I think when you get some of these people new to the forum there is so much information they get overwhelmed and just ask in the first place they find.
In another forum I'm a member of we have people asking Verizon questions in the AT&T forum, people asking about CDMA phones in the GSM forum, and such. We really divided it up... there are separate forums for each carrier, and forums for each of the major device manufacturers, then there's the Motorola forum with the Razr subfourm, and then there's the CDMA models and GSM model subforums under that. The vague questions still come... "I want to hack my phone, how do I do that???" When you finally get them to reply back with the model and carrier they have they have almost always posted in the wrong forum.
I guess what I'm saying is that it sounds like a good idea, but the problem will still be there, and seem even worse, because those that post first and read the FAQ's later (If at all) will be posting in the main forum anyway.
-Jay
I am a brand new guy to the board and have only had my Tilt little over a week and have really enjoyed testing and learning all this stuff that a ton of you guys have already mastered. I like the idea of giving us new guys a area where we can try and hash things out ourselves. When you are new you don't mind if guys ask the same questions you just ask 10 mins ago, but I know that must be a pain in the butt to some of the more skilled and seasoned guys around here. I believe if you just leave us on our own where we can go back and read what you guys have already posted for us and then come back and ask questions that we might still have between ourselves then we will figure it out soon enough and lets face it, that is how we all learn. Just my 2 cents, but please make sure you pros do stop by and check on us ever so often so we don't blow up the mobile phone world.
Thanks,
JMan
I like the sub-forum idea. Just to point out, Modaco does something like this... they have a beginner forum. Not that xda has to be like Modaco, but there is a precedent for this...
Absolute Beginners
New to Windows Mobile? New to MoDaCo? Lost and don't know where to start? Post in here and a member of our team will point you in the right direction, and move your post to the appropriate area!
http://www.modaco.com/forum.html
You could make people who like to direct and assist others as the moderators of this forum to act as traffic cops... so to speak. This will leave the cooks to focus on doing great ROMs.
I have a question for a Mod or Admin if they read this... maybe the search problem is a admin setting problem. Can someone verify that vBulletin Search to FULLTEXT inside the admincp of vBulletin?
There are also ways to embed google search into the forum:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?threadid=171042
why not create a new one?
I'm new to the forum, and honestly did not fully understand the title of the forum till now - that the forum was primarily for hard core developers. Given the success and ease of Google, we find a gold mine like xda, and fall in love.
So since there is a Kaiser, Kaiser upgrading, and Kaiser Accessories, why can't there be a Kaiser for rookies (took me a while to figure out what what a noob was). That might be a way for us lesser ones ( juniors) to talk, and the genius's out there (seniors) dont subscribe ! Then u would have every right to FLAME anyone on the upgrading forum. Plus we may be more willing to jump in and answer without the guru's watching.
my 2 cents
I think a noobie forum is a good idea. I too have seen alot of hostility towards "stupid" or repeat questions. While I am not exactly a noobie, I still have a dumb question every now and then, that's just the way it goes when one is learning I guess. I often can't find things when I search, when you are very new this is especially hard, because sometimes you don't even know what to search for.
I have received excellent help here from many kind people, and just don't know what I would have done without this forum. But even I, who am not a COMPLETE noobie, got made fun of the other day by a poster, because after reading something several times, I missed something on a page. The poster not only posted twice to point out my stupidity, but even took the time and energy to create a photoshop graphic to show what an idiot I was for missing the information. I thought it was sad that attitude was taken. I ALWAYS go out of my way to help others, with what limited knowledge I have. I often receive PMs of can you help me..., and I try my best to explain things as clearly as I can.
I totally understand that there are many here, who are way too advanced for questions like "how do I make my today look like yours?" And I would never expect them to spend time answering, when there time would be much better spent on more advanced things (and I'm not being sarcastic at all, I really do completely understand more advanced members should spend their time on more advanced things). There are some of us here with some knowledge able to help those with simple questions, so I'd say maybe people who are bothered by others posts, could just ignore the dumb questions. LOL, I've never even flashed a ROM (too chicken and broke to void my warranty), but I sure can put together a great looking and functioning Today screen. An I surely know how to install every tweak and cab to make my phone function as efficiently as possible. And, I will be more than happy to answer questions of that caliber
Maybe a noobie forum could cut down on some of the hostility, and we could help out beginners. I for one would be more than willing to answer any questions that I am capable of answering, and leave those who are more knowledgeable to deal with the hard stuff
whats some good programs to install?
Um well....... what do you want to do? Are you going to flash a new ROM? What are you using the phone for? These are the questions I have for you. Without knowing that we can't tell you what to look for.
sigh.. just go to the site in my sig, tailored just for you.
And before you post on xda again please read the rules and guidelines first.
Click my sig, i got hundreds of cabs.
I know the OP asked when he could have searched...
But i am in the same boat and was also wondering what everyone is using. His question (and the replies with apps in the sigs) is going to make my life better too
So thanks OP for asking a disliked but useful question....
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asking a disliked but useful question....
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for the 10^10000000000th time.
well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.
Signal to noise ratio, man. The fewer redundant threads, the fewer months it takes someone to get the same knowledge and tools from xda forums for their phone.
I had no problem answering his question (hell I spent countless hours designing a website to accommodate people in his shoes) and I'm sorry if I came off as bitter but the rules make sense to the people who made the rules and to me and especially to those reading the forums on their phones with a browser or RSS.
Think of Slashdot. There by default you wouldn't see things like this as they would get moderated below the default threshold. If you're so inclined, you can modify the threshold up or down or order the posts in various directions. That makes Slashdot a lot better than it used to be before they coded that. But wouldn't it be nice if XDA could continue to get away without needing the forum equivalent of that kind of system if people would just post properly and when newcomers do not that they are advised to check the rules (and, in this case, their questions get answered too)?
And yes, because of this thread a bunch of people are getting cabs they didn't have from various sigs and now that this is turning into a debate a lot more people will get cabs. But would you not agree now that we are both right? Or do you truly not mind the boards being flooded with the same questions the wiki and searching satisfies? Not to mention spam and people trying to sell their phones. Signal to noise ratio.
Doug
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well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.
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I think for some it's just a matter of frustration. I've been guilty of it myself, and got my hand slapped by the mods in Q&A for an inappropriate flame. Speaking for myself, I first joined a little over a year ago and read everything available. This allowed me to avoid asking questions that had already been answered. I'd hazard to guess that the "ask first and search later" approach is viewed by some as intellectually lazy. I can also see the other side that you point out. This site can be very intimidating and some people may just not know what to look for -- especially if they're new to WinMo. I've now adopted a no-flame approach (don't want to get slapped again). I'm certainly no expert, but I occasionally can provide an answer or suggestion, even if it's nothing other than providing a link to the appropriate thread. I figure it's the least I can do for all the great help I've received here.
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Signal to noise ratio, man.
Doug
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Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Hey thanks for backing me up. Heh, the Dude.
Glad you got good use out of the site! And guess what, you can get even more out of it because I got your default rings (HTC's and MS's) in the first paragraph of section 9, notifications.
Doug
@D0ugie
First off, i didn't think your reply was too negative. You just pointed out that people should search first and ask later, which i agree with. I think in my mind it's the level of grey that exists with the "search first" motto that is debatable. I have spent a LOT of time in some instances searching for a needle in a haystack, sometimes in fear of knowing that if i pose a new thread for a quick answer i might get flamed for it. And there are times when i asked before i probably should have (had one of those the other day) and felt like an idiot for it. And then there are the times where i was looking for something but maybe didn't even know it, and had someone else ask it and be like, wow that is exactly what i wanted to know. And then there are still the times where i asked a Q and wasn't sure if it was a good question and whether or not i'd even get a reply, and had a huge discussion evolve because of it and lots of people glad i did ask.
Obviously, the repeat of the same question over and over can make it harder to find the BEST answers, but sometimes i will search and not find that right thread and then someone points me to it and i am like, that just saved me SO much unnecessary searching, THANK YOU.
The bottom line though is i love this community and, in general, everyone here is amazing and so helpful and giving. I feel lucky to be a part of it and wish i was a better developer and had more to contribute.
Why So Serious?
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Why So Serious?
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@you lol. Perfect time to add that
@OP You could search the Raphael software/Diamond Themes, Applications, and Software/Developement & Hacking which are sections specially made for app posting.
EDITED, sorry if I offended anyone.
Phaze13 said:
Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Funny i was looking for the Dude trying to get a little Time of from XDA and accidentally used the Google XDA search. This was the only result.
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825531964825142534%3Acqr2sjirilw&q=the+big+lebowski&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I didn't know that until i accidentally searched for it.
Well for those in the Dark here's the Short Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtgfjkB6Pg
Please delete me when the fun's gotten out of it, but at least XDA should get back two search results from now on, on The Big Lebowksi
In two weeks:
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...esult&cd=1&q=Noonski+the+big+lebowski&spell=1
Should give you at least one result on finding out my true identity.
A few posts deleted, that is already more then any of us would have wanted on a Forum meant to harbour information.
Don't Flame a man trying to show you the light of XDA, it attracts to much attention of Moderators even when they are trying not to.
If you go to my 4shared, you can find pretty much any application that will do whatever you want on your WinMo based phone.
Lately I have seen so many "what rom is best for my first flash" or "Help me decide what rom is best for me" threads and they are POINTLESS! Granted there are an abundance of new and old custom roms, everyone has different experiences and opinions on what rom is best.
So... NOOBS:
If you want to know what rom is best for YOU do the following:
- Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom.
- If you don't know what certain terms in the rom thread mean or affect (ie. kernel, modem, OC/UV, Gps tweaks) locate the search bar in the top right corner of the page or browse through this page
- Once you have decided what rom you want to try out, you need to learn how to flash the rom. Most of the Developers post instructions but they can be confusing to some of the less experienced flashers. nbs11 has posted a thread about how to do this here and Connexion2005 was nice enough to make videos of the general steps: Flashing back to stock using odin3 , 3 Part video series for flashing roms: video 1 , video 2 , video 3
- Now that you know how to choose and flash a rom just try out different roms until you find one that you like and gives you all the features you are looking for.
- If you find the theme of a certain rom ugly or obnoxious, head over to the Captivate themes and apps section and look through different [THEME] threads until you find one that you like. Make sure the theme is compatible with the rom you have just flashed or are planning to flash.
- If you accidentally brick your phone, read How to unbrick the captivate or if that doesn't work, Unbrick the captivate for only $0.99
-Some useful links other members have posted:
One-Click Root - root your captivate in one click!
Build #1010 or above flash back to stock
My hopes of this thread are to save the Captivate general section from becoming a section full of useless threads. So if you are new, please use these steps and do the research to find a Rom that is right for YOU!
Cheers,
Alex
Thanks, + 1 sticky
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I second that sticky request please. Great piece of work!
Eh....Ii think a lot of us are guilty of expecting too much from "noobs." I remember being new and told to scour hundreds of pages of indecipherable text. Yeah right. I just want to flash my phone! Obviously not everyone does it. I hate to say it, but the forums are not very noob friendly. I recently tried suggesting an idea about organization of themes.....but no one even replied to my idea. Last I checked (correct me if I'm wrong) but the wiki is just a link to the sub forums. Someone tried to organize Rom features....but I don't think it hasn't been updated in a while. But I haven't checked
I would still like to create an easy to browse page full of apk's. Maybe I can find some time and a place to upload.....
Sent from my pocket.
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Eh....Ii think a lot of us are guilty of expecting too much from "noobs." I remember being new and told to scour hundreds of pages of indecipherable text. Yeah right. I just want to flash my phone! Obviously not everyone does it. I hate to say it, but the forums are not very noob friendly. I recently tried suggesting an idea about organization of themes.....but no one even replied to my idea. Last I checked (correct me if I'm wrong) but the wiki is just a link to the sub forums. Someone tried to organize Rom features....but I don't think it hasn't been updated in a while. But I haven't checked
I would still like to create an easy to browse page full of apk's. Maybe I can find some time and a place to upload.....
Sent from my pocket.
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Sure we might expect too much, but I think we should at least give them some guidance to flashing new roms. Since there is so much information out there it can be quite overwhelming to newcomers, which is why I tried to summarize and compile the best information I know of here.
I think your ideas of compiling themes into a one stop shop would be awesome if you kept it updated. I personally would just start a new thread and divide it into the most popular Roms out at the time, and paste links to whichever ones worked for that rom under the heading.
Gave you a 'thanks' and, AMEN!
Stickied, thanks for your contribution
very good useful information
Would the Cognition instructions work for other roms as well? For example, Phoenix 3.5?
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Would the Cognition instructions work for other roms as well? For example, Phoenix 3.5?
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To be honest, I have never flashed cog so I am not sure. But here is what I ALWAYS do, and everything works out for the different roms i have flashed.
1. Backup Apps and App data with TiBackup (not system data!!!)
2. Put phone in download mode
3. Open odin3 on computer
4. Plug phone in to computer, wait for odin to say "added"
5. Press start and wait to see if a blue line starts to apear on the phone
6. If the blue line appears wait for odin to finish, if it does not unplug the phone and hope it has not bricked. See the bottom of the OP if your phone is bricked.
7. Once rebooted, use one click root to root phone
8. Open droid explorer and move the CWM update.zip (see attachment to this post) to your phone as well as the rom you are flashing
9. Boot into recovery and "reinstall packages" usually twice until you get into CWM recovery
10. navigate to install zip from sd > choose zip from sd > (rom zip) > yes
11. once done click go back > reboot phone
12. If it asks you to convert data and partition click the first choice, something like convert all data and files, wait for it to finish
13. enjoi!
*NOTE* this assumes you have the correct drivers installed on your computer and that you have tested to make sure they work. I am not responsible if you follow these instructions and fubar your phone.
Does this work for Canadian ROGERS devices?
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Does this work for Canadian ROGERS devices?
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I am not Canadian and haven't used a Canadian device, so I would not be able to tell you. Sorry.
It is what it is
I'm a bit torn by the thread topic, but I do understand. What lead me to this thread was the realization that I was prohibited from submitting a post on the Android Dev forum. It would have been my first post, as I had been testing and writing down the results of my experiences with flashing ROMs that are currently offered. After doing some reading, I found that a minimum of 9 posts were required before posting priviledges available for the dev forum. A little disappointed, but I could deal with that...until I read the opening of this thread. On one hand, I understand that every post has its place and in order for a forum to run smoothly, respect and etiquette is paramount. However, the tone of the post had a kinda, "don't interfere in grown folk business" feel to it; a noob-tolerance, but "stay in your place-ness" IMHO. We were all noobs at some point. Perhaps it's a little easier for some to remember than others. Like I said, I understand. Both sides (Moderators and noobs) have to put themselves in each others shoes to make it work.
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A little disappointed, but I could deal with that...until I read the opening of this thread. On one hand, I understand that every post has its place and in order for a forum to run smoothly, respect and etiquette is paramount. However, the tone of the post had a kinda, "don't interfere in grown folk business" feel to it; a noob-tolerance, but "stay in your place-ness" IMHO. We were all noobs at some point. Perhaps it's a little easier for some to remember than others. Like I said, I understand. Both sides (Moderators and noobs) have to put themselves in each others shoes to make it work.
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This thread is not discouraging noobs from posting or being a part of the forum, in fact following the guide will do the opposite by getting them involved in rom discussions with other members.
I am encouraging noobs to try things for themselves instead of relying on what other people claim to be the "best rom" for them. This was not meant to be an "elitist thread" simply because I haven't even been here that long, just trying to de-clutter the captivate general forum.
I have to throw a wrench into this system.....sorry....there seems to be a lot of complaints about posts in the wrong area. This happens A LOT. I have to take the"noob" side for a minute. Maybe instead of everyone jumping on new members, we find a better way to organize the information. Searching sucks, admit it. I know what I am looking for so I should be able to drill down through the forums to find it. I tried searching for a specific email.apk and gave up after 10 minutes of flipping through posts. There are all walks of people in the development forums. After all, that is where the good stuff is kept. So of course questions are going to be raised there. You are never going to win the war against new members not knowing the culture of this forum. Instead, let's start getting some ideas together on how we can make it more user friendly for everyone.
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I have to throw a wrench into this system.....sorry....there seems to be a lot of complaints about posts in the wrong area. This happens A LOT. I have to take the"noob" side for a minute. Maybe instead of everyone jumping on new members, we find a better way to organize the information. Searching sucks, admit it. I know what I am looking for so I should be able to drill down through the forums to find it. I tried searching for a specific email.apk and gave up after 10 minutes of flipping through posts. There are all walks of people in the development forums. After all, that is where the good stuff is kept. So of course questions are going to be raised there. You are never going to win the war against new members not knowing the culture of this forum. Instead, let's start getting some ideas together on how we can make it more user friendly for everyone.
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Ok so I have to ask, did you even read this thread?
The sole purpose of this thread was to guide new users to flashing new roms, that way they would stop making new threads in the captivate general section asking other users which rom is best.
No where did I mention anything about the development section or new members posting in the wrong section.
If you can't find things with search then try altering your search methods, ie change the "sort results by" drop down box to Relevancy. Often times I just do a google search of "xda (whatever i am looking for)" without the quotes and find what I am looking for in a matter of seconds or minutes.
If you feel like the forum is unorganized, do something about it like I did, don't just sit on your ass. Start a thread with all of the relevant .apk's you think need to be compiled while allowing other users to contribute or don't complain.
I did, but it sounds like many threads I've read in the past over and over again. I could have swore I've read this topic several times here, but perhaps I am mistaken. I follow several forums here at XDA and it is extremely possible my frustrations lie from reading this topic in multiple locations, not just within the Captivate section.
After searching around, I realize that there are not as many threads like this within the Captivate section as I had thought. My apologies for coming off wrong; however,
I do feel like some of the repositories here are disorganized, and have even tried mentioning it, but my thread got absolutely NO response, and it was in what I thought would be the correct section (asking about a list of apks in the Themes and Apps Section). Ah, oh well. Guess my fuse has been a little short recently. I wish I had more free time than just the 15 minutes here and there. I REALLY want to work on sorting the WiKi, but I'm married, so I've ALWAYS got other things to do.
Now that I feel I've completely torn the thread off topic, I'm going back to work
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This thread is not discouraging noobs from posting or being a part of the forum, in fact following the guide will do the opposite by getting them involved in rom discussions with other members.
I am encouraging noobs to try things for themselves instead of relying on what other people claim to be the "best rom" for them. This was not meant to be an "elitist thread" simply because I haven't even been here that long, just trying to de-clutter the captivate general forum.
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Thanks for the response. Didn't mean to be overly critical of the thread. Simply wanted to express how both sides of the argument can be seen as valid and relevant. I've seen harsh criticisms from seasoned contributors as well as inconsiderate inquiries from new posters that indicate no effort to find an answer prior to posting. No offense intented and thanks for your contribution to the community.
Maybe you can change the thread topic to sound a little less hostile towards new members. New xda users read this first or New posters or anything but "n00bs"
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Maybe you can change the thread topic to sound a little less hostile towards new members. New xda users read this first or New posters or anything but "n00bs"
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Edited title.
It seems to me that there is a lot of frustration amongst devs, those in the know, and the unschooled to the ways regarding pretty basic information. Stuff like "is MR2 froyo or gingerbread?". I know I'd be asking and saying some industrial strength stupid and annoying things if I didn't have a good friend in the know. I suppose what I'm suggesting here is perhaps several things. The first would be describing a number of specifications regarding the ROM or kernel at hand. Not just for the latest ROM or kernel, but for all the downloads available on the OP. Usually the change log covers that, but what I'm suggesting here is a certain I uniformity of certain information. That way some noob can go do his homework real fast and not post some stupid question.
The second thought I have is creating the "stupid question thread" (that would grow like a weed, huh?). It would have basic stuff like what the RUU's are, their characteristics, what radios they work with, what the different radios are, setting up ADB, and really basic stuff that I keep seeing posted again and again all over. I was reading through the Tbolt forums months before I got my Tbolt and my last phone was an Incredible so the worlds didn't change a hell of a lot for your average flashing junky. But that isn't everybody's experience. I'm suggesting a thread or the guy that just got his Tbolt and is saying "Now I wanna root it!" then "It's rooted! Now what's out there!" And zap! there's te thread that gives him a rundown of all the basics.
This sound like a good idea to anyone? If so, let me know and I'll work something up.
I am a noob, TB being my first Android phone. When I started reading the forums, my very first thought was: how come I can't find a noob thread that I can actually understand, that explains the basics, etc. It did not exist! Hence al the annoying (to some) posts elsewhere. If such a thread existed it would have been a huge help for me. It could be organized similar to ROM threads, with some introductory remarks, (a radio is XYZ, you flash it this way, etc.) followed by specific questions / comments. I like the idea!
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This is a good idea.. if no one makes one soon ill take it up
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There is no substitute for taking the time to read the various threads and educating yourself. I think the devs do a pretty good job of supporting their work but to ask them to put together super noob threads and FAQs is just not something they're gonna do with any regularity.
The reason why no one has done it is because all of the noobs are to lazy or ignorant to read those threads, then continue to post their stupid and already-answered question anyway, flooding the threads as usual.
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I agree with you 99%. However, there are several cases especially with BAMF threads where there are hundreds of pages and thousands of posts. The OP many times doesn't have solutions to common problems and the only way to find an answer is to spend hours reading through hundreds of pages. (I admit that BAMF is doing much better with their 3.0 RC2 thread). I know you are going to say to search but when a thread is that large it is hard to find meaningful search results.
Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Because most often.. the dev himself does not know the answer.. and honestly.. the best way to know if something works or not is try it yourself. .. so I can understand when devs get frustrated with people asking certain permutation and combination of patches will work with their roms or not.
Once you understand (which comes with experience and lot of googling).. what affects certain aspects of a rom.. then you'll know yourself if a particular patch will work or not.
Patches from previous roms or other roms.. will never brick your phone.. the worst.. your phone won't boot up.. or it'll boot up and FC like crazy.. in which case you can always restore.
and I agree.. the best way for a noob to educate is google..
googling is an art.. once you get good at it.. there is almost nothing that you can't get information about.
And with some of the responses I just read in this thread is exactly why I haven't rooted my T-bolt yet. I rooted my D1 and really enjoyed flashing different ROMs and Themes but the HTC experience is a bit different from the one on the Motorola. I don't feel like getting flamed for asking something that those of you that have been using HTC long enough now find to be a useless question. I ran Blackdroids ROMs because he had an IRC channel where you could ask questions without being flamed openly in a forum for 100+ to see. I learned quite a bit to where I could eventually help others with it but I'm not at all comfortable yet with Hboot and ADB but hope to learn enough from reading to not bother you with questions you find trivial. I've read for a week now so what's another week
It appears there is a need for what I propose. Regarding those who's complaint is that nobody will read it, I say, at least someone put forth the effort and if someone like, linking to the thread is easy. Indeed looking stuff up for yourself is wise, however, it takes more time for people and all too often you don't know how accurate what your reading is or from what authority the writer speaks. I will agree most devs supply ample info on their work, but often its in jargon that makes no sense or lacks context. Part of the purpose for this thread would be to supply sense and context.
Hopefully over the next few days I can find time to whip something up. I welcome all suggestions and comments for content!