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How Do I Get Wm 6.1?

Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?

6.1 are released, but our cooks have tweaked and added their own flavors. There are many on the forum
To get it, you download a rom for the Kaiser and you flash it.
But before doing that, I suggest you alot of reading. Not hours, but many here have read for days.

Just check at list first 2 Sticky on first page before asking .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
I dont't want to be bed guy but it could happend that one not verry skilled member to answer to your question with a link to a WM 6.1 and if you just flash it you could brick your phone without HardSPL.

Ace78611 said:
Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?
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LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?

This is l-o-l.

alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki

alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?

kwill said:
no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki
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Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.

Ace78611 said:
No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, don't you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.

Ace78611 said:
No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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LOL. This makes me laugh.
Actually I do have a quite productive life outside of XDA. I don't know if you noticed the things at the top of the page that say stickies. Yeah those are meant there to be read first. The problem with this forum now is that nobody will take the time to do a little research. They want everything spoon feed to them. I understand you don't have much time being a student, believe me I was there once, but doing a search for about 10 minutes wouldn't hurt you. You could have easily found the result you were looking for by simply going to Google Advanced search and I guarantee this would have taken less than 10 minutes.
You say that you are familiar with flashing and radio's. Well you would have known this answer right from the start if you were even a little bit familiar with this process. How do I get WM6.1...Hmmm maybe look at the sticky that says WM6.1 ROM Links !!! Updated Daily!!!.
Austinsnyc has donated a lot of his time to publish this and keep it up to date so the forum in not inundated with ridiculous questions such as these.
Obviously a little more education wouldn't hurt you. READ and COMPREHEND!
...and since you are reading this I recommend that you check the 1st link in my signature...It's there just for the likes of you.

ronfin44 said:
I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.
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Well said

Ace78611 said:
Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.
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LOL...
do you hear a sucking sound?

Ace78611 said:
And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.

we3zy said:
Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.
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LOL. I also recommend a Razr for you. A pink one in that

LMAO man read the sticky.

Dude, read the stickies, they're there for a reason or do a simple search...If people started a new thread everytime they had a simple question, we would miss out on a lot of good info and good people on the forum.

Posting For Idiots. & Reading For Idiots.
Both very good books I hear.

does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.

AdamG said:
does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.
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I agree, it is here to help people, you are right. However, that being said, lately this forum has become inundated with an extremely large amount of people, no0b's and seniors alike, who dont feel the need to do a search or even read through the existing threads and stikies before they post. Most, as of late, even start a new thread. When is enough enough? I do answer as many questions as my time allows me for people needing answers that I don't remember seeing before or questions that have a tough answer to follow. But my God, the whole front page is covered with 6.1 roms, cooked and raw.

AdamG said:
i thought this community was here to help people.
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It is, with stickies.

i would like to have a wm6.1 kaiser rom

hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?

I recommend you read the sticky at the top of this forum. Then do a search on WM 6.1 roms, there are lots. Then when you understand the process you then flash away. See the links in my sig...they will help get you started as well.
Each person likes different things in ROMS, so it is very subjective. You should have done some research before posting...
Good luck.

ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*

andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I used to love this forum. I now have the hardest time just peeking in.
I have read the multi page thread about what to do about the redundant threads and none of the suggestions have been implemented (except the heavy hammer by Kyphur). alas, with the fact that our phones are now so common, we have more people than ever trying to flash. I miss the days when the XDA was one of only a few devices that people used and you cuold only find 50-60 users online at any given time.
Andrewsitu, you are one of countless junior members who want to start flashing but can't take a few moments to look around. In some ways I can't blame you, since there are SOOO many threads, many pointless and redundant, it can be daunting. But it is a chicken and the egg dilema.
Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .

andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I recommend you return to the 2nd grade where they teach you how to read and comprehend.

wireless_one said:
Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .
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I feel exactly the same way.

But what would I do if I didn't have the government and everybody else making decisions for me? Oh my god where am I, what's my name, who are you guys, and where are my pants? Can somebody spare a Xanax, I think I'm having a nervous breakdown.

AllTheWay said:
I feel exactly the same way.
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Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.

XtreMe_G said:
ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*
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I read these threads strictly for the entertainment value.
-McMex

crispyj said:
Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.
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Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100. Puts more work on the the mods in some ways, but lessens it in others (fewer closed threads). I'd also have any new thread from anyone with less than 50 posts approved for non-redundancy by the mods.
I just really miss this place and I just seem to get more and more frustrated everytime I log in. And in some ways I can't blame the NooBs, because if aI saw all these threads I'd be spinning and wanting to just take the easy way out. It would be nice to have a senior member lounge or something . . .

noob
as someone who has read just about every post on here for kaiser I can say it is very daunting. but seriously he could at least have read the wiki...maybe we need a new main thread called..im a newb with a stupid question and im too lazy to read! I really appreciate all the help I've gotten here and I even cook my own roms now...read..read..read!!!

andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.

andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Personally, I'd recommend looking through the "Kaiser Upgrading" forum for all ROM releases with "WM6.1" in the title. Then look at the list the Chef's provided of what's in the ROM and think "Do I use all those things?", then look again and think "Have I got installation cabs for the others I use that aren't there?". If the answer is "yes" to both, flash it as that's your perfect ROM. If the answer to either is "no", then note what was missing/extra and look at the next ROM. When you're done go to whichever ROM closely fitted your needs and flash it.
Oh, and for the love of (insert deity of your choice) install Hard-SPL first, then a WM6.1 Radio ROM after and don't expect your hand to be held by others in this forum until you've proven you're willing to learn the basics. Once you've proven you're willing to try, you'll be amazed how friendly and helpful everyone is.

jarek91 said:
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Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
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the scary thing is......he was actually being nice

jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?

~~Tito~~ said:
Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?
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I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.

jarek91 said:
I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.
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Yea, I would love a ginormous sensitive(you know what I mean XD) asian too lol.
Seriously you do sound like Dr. Cox from scrubs, like exactly something he would say to get them motivated, all you hvae to say is newbie and your set .

It's not that hard to give your input. Man, you guys make it seem like suicide. Just answer his question with a couple of words and bam your done. It gets the job done and the OP is satisfied. At the OP, i like Dutty's newest 6.1. I recommend you give it a try.

wireless_one said:
Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100........
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Not a bad idea - it's been floating around since the Hermes days and probably earlier. BUT... would you like to sift through the 593872 (and rising) members to see which of us seniors actually qualify as useful.
In my 440+ posts some have been helpful, some fun and some flaming but NONE qualify me as a developer (the main reason for this forum). Would I be excluded?
The only real way to sort this out is to let the guys who actually run the site decide what they want, make new rules if necessary and then we live with it.

jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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When I first saw this thread, I was wondering if u show up yourself here.

Touchflo cube

Ive read through the posts and there is some amazing stuff out there, and you guys have got to be commended. Im really a simple person so I want to find a simple answer/solution. I have a brand new att 8925 tilt. I just want the touch flo cube functionality. I dont need any other software. I just want it to respond like it were an HTC touch. Whats the best way to go about doing this and the best rom out there for it? Thanx for any help and keep up the good work, when i get some extra money donations will definately be going around!

KRUPTD316 said:
Ive read through the posts and there is some amazing stuff out there, and you guys have got to be commended. Im really a simple person so I want to find a simple answer/solution. I have a brand new att 8925 tilt. I just want the touch flo cube functionality. I dont need any other software. I just want it to respond like it were an HTC touch. Whats the best way to go about doing this and the best rom out there for it? Thanx for any help and keep up the good work, when i get some extra money donations will definately be going around!
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Did you read the Wiki? There some really great information out there. But you didn't, did you?
I know this because if you had read the Wiki like the Sticky mentions...oh wait...did you read the Sticky? Probably not. Let's just move right along, shall we? If you had read the Sticky, you would have heard about the Wiki and there you would have seen all sorts of links to that Cube page. You'd also know that if all you want is the cube, you don't have to change ROMs and thus possibly void your warranty. You'd also know that the proper forum for discussion about what software to use for what purpose belongs in the Kaiser forum, not the Kaiser Upgrading Etc forum. And you'd know that right now tell is that dutty has the ROM with the fastest responding cube. We even would have thrown in wonderful information about all the Frequently Asked Questions related to the Kaiser and related topics...yes...even dutty's ROMs. But all of this is in the hypothetical world where you read this stuff, right? That world where you didn't post this question that's covered in countless threads, forums, and wiki pages...
(I'd be more snarky but I'm hungry and I've had a rough day at work...now get back to your regularly scheduled programming peeps)

hi there, welcome to the forum.
here's the link to the wiki on the cube
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Cube
its linked in the kaiser wiki, as well as the sticky right on top of the page. in future please look in the sticky/wiki first and/or search before creating a new post.

jarek91 said:
Did you read the Wiki? You'd also know that if all you want is the cube, you don't have to change ROMs and thus possibly void your warranty.
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i thank you for your enlightenment. I did read the forums and the wikis and the stickys i just didnt see a clear answer to "just the cube" I apologize for the wrong section im not much of a forum person, but what do you suggest for the "cube" ? I dont want to mess up my phone or void my warranty.

KRUPTD316 said:
i thank you for your enlightenment. I did read the forums and the wikis and the stickys i just didnt see a clear answer to "just the cube" I apologize for the wrong section im not much of a forum person, but what do you suggest for the "cube" ? I dont want to mess up my phone or void my warranty.
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dude, both me and jarek gave you the exact same link.....did you even bother to look at it??? man, i thought i could be nice and all and give good welcome to this forum........jarek, he's all yours

KRUPTD316 said:
i thank you for your enlightenment. I did read the forums and the wikis and the stickys i just didnt see a clear answer to "just the cube" I apologize for the wrong section im not much of a forum person, but what do you suggest for the "cube" ? I dont want to mess up my phone or void my warranty.
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I personally have been happily flashing warranty voiding ROMs on my Tilt that have dutty's cube. I'm also one of those weirdos that just doesn't like the cube. Best thing I can suggest is read the two threads for the two different cubes linked on that wiki page and see what people are saying about them and compare it to what you want.

XtreMe_G said:
dude, both me and jarek gave you the exact same link.....did you even bother to look at it??? man, i thought i could be nice and all and give good welcome to this forum........jarek, he's all yours
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oh no...it's gonna be worse than that...the next n00b gets the wrath and I get to blame it on Krup. That way I get two for the price of one.

Oh screw it...
FLAME ON
I was far too nice, I see. I went through the trouble of taking 1.2 seconds opening another tab to get the URL of the EXACT Wiki page you needed so I could put the link in my reply. Why? Because I knew that you obviously did not bother to use the resource that so many of us here strive to maintain. It's an insult to the work we do here when people like you just drop on in and ask to be spoonfed. I suggest you read the Extreme Noobs post. I'm not gonna bother to link this time because you aren't gonna bother to use what is handed to you. Try looking for it. It's on the first page so you'll probably have a hard time seeing it. This isn't rocket surgery or brain science. It can be done by anyone with a little patience and the ability to comprehend those strange symbols on the screen we call "letters"...they go together to form "words" which convey "thoughts" and "ideas" and "knowledge". Am I going too fast for you with all these fancy terms? Doesn't matter...I don't care.
Yes, there's a lot of clutter in the forums. Yes, there's a lot of clutter in the individual threads. You know why? Shut up. I'm talking. It's because people like you annoy people like me by posting questions that have been gone over so many times that even "Barrens chat" now has more useful information in it. Do you know what Barrens Chat is? I thought I told you to close your pie hole. Go to Google...I'm assuming you know what that is. Try searching for Barrens Chat and see what I'm talking about. I'm actually being driven to the point that I want to play WoW again so I can hang out in the Barrens and listen to people discuss the characteristics of the love child of Chuck Norris and Michael Jackson. I'm beginning to think my time there would be far more stimulating than typing the same 8-10 answers over and over again until my laptop jumps up and smashes my balls with a Mack truck just to make me stop.
Have I hurt your feelings? Have I upset you or made you mad? I swear, if you don't stop talking I'm gonna have to punch you in the face with an active volcano. Now hurry up and answer me. On second thought, don't bother because I really don't care any more. You're just going to have to learn to be faster if you want to keep my interest in this conversation.

WOW!!!!!!!

Well, it seems clear this thread is not going anywhere useful. Links to the Cube info have been given.
Closing thread.
Mike

*** Ideas For A More Useful Forum ***

What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
For example: I come to the Polaris upgrading thread, I´m looking for a fast ROM. Actually I use bepe 0.67, but I wanna try some others. So lets have a look...Hmm, "Vega R3", "Diamond R4", "PhamQuang"..you see, lots of ROMs.
BUT: I want to know which language it is (I think its something like WWE...what is WWE?? just a joke, I know what it means..), is radio included (I normally expect that..), what have I to watch out for when flashing it & how can I flash it (this is often included, but again, very slangy explained) etc etc etc !
In other words: Many infos are provided. But questions and answers from the rest od the thread could be added to the first/second/third post so people dont have to search for hours (yes, i tried for hours !!!!)
What to do ??
There should be some sort of template for everyone posting a new tool, ROM etc.
Must-haves of a post:
** What is it? What can I do with it? What do I need??
** What language is it
** changelog (in 90% cases included)
** links for good explanations (what is... a ROM, radio, hard-spl, WWE etc)
!!!!! Please, just make one standard thread for such infos; one single, long post, explaining "xda-developers"-language
** Links to other websites/downloads that are useful
Such questions should be summarized for each device and PLEASE write in plain english language, for everybody around the world !
And please, dont post links to threads which arent up to date or are not as userfriendly as they should be!
Another suggestion: Give me the infos I HAVE to know at ONE GLANCE. As I said, language, radio included, installation etc..
I know, what you are thinking right now: We already did this and much more than that. BUT, once again, this is just too less for n00bs like me.
And imagine, 50% less people you have to tell to use the search because you just make a understandable download-post/site with all necessary information...wouldn´t that be nice ???
regards,
Martin,
Austria (NOT Australia..)
[EDIT] You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.

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You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?

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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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great responce
Im saying what you dont want me to say m.schmidler, use search...
God there are written SO FRICKEN many tutorials, we have been gathering links, in the threads in the wiki.
Dont we spend enough time cooking, developing etc? Should we start a school also? Who is gonna pay the teachers? you?
No, im not gonna spend more time making it easy on you, there are so much info, so much threads to help new guys (noobs) that im damn amazed that you cant figure it out.
If you cant figure out how to find stuff on XDA, then you really should sit down and think just for a sec.
Try HTC support, or MS support. Try see how helpfull they are, how they explain every thing you think you need to know.
Get a grip on reality man..either that or you and the rest of they guys demanding the things you do can start paying us by the hours we spend on making your device better.
And hey, yea, I know, my roms, and other cooks roms has bugs, flaws, this and that missing wich you deperatly need or w/e. But you know what, here is an idea:
Go back to using stock roms (here is a little help, just to show that I CAN be nice too:
Stock ROM=A operating system provided with the phone you have, in this case windows mobile, and it is not modded, altered or changed in any way. But hey, maybe that was to hard to understand too??)
Im sure the forum could be better, but making posts like that..
let me sum this up in a few words:
Respect the time we use on this, if not you will see that many of the beloved developers here just leave..and btw...thats happening all over the forum because of **** like this

OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job

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OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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LOL! How about he gets promoted to a Mod, then he can go through and change them all just the way he wants by his specs !

Hey Guys, pls...
Hey Guys,
Im new too and I know about the probs in the forum, but the seniors and mods. are right, when they say that we, the users, should use the search an read the wiki.
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
But with the manuals and the posts of the other guys it makes me happy!!!
This is a great forum!!
Stay tuned!!

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What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
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You know, this IS a developers forum. There is kind of the understanding that when you see certain keywords like ROM, .NET, C++, winlibs, MSDQ, SQL, etc...that you aleady know what it is and do not need explaining.
If every developer explained everything their releases could do, down to the finest detail, they wouldnt have any time to develop, they would just be posting all day long. I don't think anything more than one or two lines (which is the case now), is needed for a good explanation.
This forum is perfect for my needs, and since it IS a developer's forum, you cannot expect it to be setup like a regular forum for non-techies. I mean, you don't see any soccer moms on here...no offense to the small minority of soccer moms who develop, lol
::: Connor

wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said
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. Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW:
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
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I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol

m.schmidler said:
wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said . Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW: I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.

itje said:
He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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I agree I have been around since - alot of years - I have just flashed for the first time. (On that note I hope you donated some money to Bepe) You flash quickly if a) you are stupid B) You have loads of money or C) you are a happy go lucky chappy.......
good luck son, piss some more people off! The seniors and moderators work very hard and for you to come in this quickly........ Wouldn't it be more sensible to read, read, help, help, help, understand, understand, understand, understand, and then do the whole lot again. and then offer some advice. People listen to people that are intelligent and not to quick off the mark.
This is a complicated forum with a hell of alot of info. I want to offer my congratualtions to the Mods here and say THANK-YOU.......
Will

OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?

It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.

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It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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hey man, relax, i got the point. I already said, i recognized it was just a stupid post and u are right. BUT there are two ways telling me that and some replies are really a bit offending.
I hope you accept this "mistake", but it´s just a normal reaction when coming to a forum..other newbies are thinking nearly the same.
Nevertheless, when I post into other threads here please don´t think of me as some kind of moron who just annoys people the whole day

Ok. I think we should let everyone get on with what they do best. Let Noobs search and read and learn (which he has already accepted) and let the experts cook their ROMs and let the users flash them to their devices
He's got the point of no spoon feeding from anyone in here coz everyone who's a developer today was a Noob yesterday and learnt everything from the forum pages
I would love to close this thread to avoid any further forest fires, but since papamopps has a post in it, I'll leave it to the best of his judgement

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OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
and next time after reading and not flashing.....start thinking first before you psot such a thread in 2 different subforums
regards

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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
regards
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Thank you, kind sir.
Yet I found the idea as quite sound and thoughtful, IMHO. If only it didn't sound as too "i need to be spoonfed" and being bashed right away. LoL
Standard templates/formats are increasingly become a necessity nowadays. In my work, they are the hero of the days. Tons of thousands of reports and informations are being streamlined in a common acknowledged formats. It saves time for BOTH information originators and users/readers. Imagine what they could do to this wonderful forum, it will save time, energy and space for not wasting them in basic queries and responses. Discussion could be more fruitful since it will only talk about advanced and detailed items since all basics are already covered in page 1 in standard form.
Again, if only the idea given some thoughts over
I don't know, but I can see pattern here that every single noob are being treated the same - the harsh way. And some people are also enjoying picking on them. I actually agree to some extent, since it also quite amusing sometimes, but please be more humane. I understand fully that sometimes they (noobs - including me) are so ignorant and lazy and almost always giving stupid and silly ideas. But it's not always 100% like that.
If you want to despise one's thinking, please despise the thinking, not the person. Just because he/she a noob, all his/her ideas are equally stupid/silly? It's an Argumentatum Ad Hominem, and it's not fair.
Noobs is only by definition that the person is new to THIS forum, the WM and HTC thingies forum. But it does not necessarily mean that the person is new to Internet Forum, right? You'll never know, but maybe the person you bash is actually a mod/admin in other respectful internet forum. Yea, who knows? So, I wish this forum could be more gentle to people.
Lastly, we know that this is a DEVELOPER forum. But it also never written that no noobs entrance allowed, right? Whoever now devs, chefs, mods and seniors are once noobs too. So anyone, including noobs, are actually a potential member to contribute to this community. It only requires time and well-grooming techniques, not hammering each one of them.
@Herr Martin Schmidler
Not a very bad idea at all, mate. I understand your frustration, since i sometimes felt the same. For me, the built-in search tool is quite (sorry) lame. And google does refine it a bit, but quite lagging since the gatherer bots need some times to cataloguing new items. But please always be respectful also to others, especially the seniors, they have spent so much time and energy building this great community. We cannot expect them to treat us as if we were kids. Guten tag, liebe gruss!

Just got my Att Fuze what are some good programs to DL?

whats some good programs to install?

Um well....... what do you want to do? Are you going to flash a new ROM? What are you using the phone for? These are the questions I have for you. Without knowing that we can't tell you what to look for.

sigh.. just go to the site in my sig, tailored just for you.
And before you post on xda again please read the rules and guidelines first.

Click my sig, i got hundreds of cabs.

I know the OP asked when he could have searched...
But i am in the same boat and was also wondering what everyone is using. His question (and the replies with apps in the sigs) is going to make my life better too
So thanks OP for asking a disliked but useful question....

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asking a disliked but useful question....
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for the 10^10000000000th time.

well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.

Signal to noise ratio, man. The fewer redundant threads, the fewer months it takes someone to get the same knowledge and tools from xda forums for their phone.
I had no problem answering his question (hell I spent countless hours designing a website to accommodate people in his shoes) and I'm sorry if I came off as bitter but the rules make sense to the people who made the rules and to me and especially to those reading the forums on their phones with a browser or RSS.
Think of Slashdot. There by default you wouldn't see things like this as they would get moderated below the default threshold. If you're so inclined, you can modify the threshold up or down or order the posts in various directions. That makes Slashdot a lot better than it used to be before they coded that. But wouldn't it be nice if XDA could continue to get away without needing the forum equivalent of that kind of system if people would just post properly and when newcomers do not that they are advised to check the rules (and, in this case, their questions get answered too)?
And yes, because of this thread a bunch of people are getting cabs they didn't have from various sigs and now that this is turning into a debate a lot more people will get cabs. But would you not agree now that we are both right? Or do you truly not mind the boards being flooded with the same questions the wiki and searching satisfies? Not to mention spam and people trying to sell their phones. Signal to noise ratio.
Doug

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well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.
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I think for some it's just a matter of frustration. I've been guilty of it myself, and got my hand slapped by the mods in Q&A for an inappropriate flame. Speaking for myself, I first joined a little over a year ago and read everything available. This allowed me to avoid asking questions that had already been answered. I'd hazard to guess that the "ask first and search later" approach is viewed by some as intellectually lazy. I can also see the other side that you point out. This site can be very intimidating and some people may just not know what to look for -- especially if they're new to WinMo. I've now adopted a no-flame approach (don't want to get slapped again). I'm certainly no expert, but I occasionally can provide an answer or suggestion, even if it's nothing other than providing a link to the appropriate thread. I figure it's the least I can do for all the great help I've received here.

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Signal to noise ratio, man.
Doug
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Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.

Phaze13 said:
Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Hey thanks for backing me up. Heh, the Dude.
Glad you got good use out of the site! And guess what, you can get even more out of it because I got your default rings (HTC's and MS's) in the first paragraph of section 9, notifications.
Doug

@D0ugie
First off, i didn't think your reply was too negative. You just pointed out that people should search first and ask later, which i agree with. I think in my mind it's the level of grey that exists with the "search first" motto that is debatable. I have spent a LOT of time in some instances searching for a needle in a haystack, sometimes in fear of knowing that if i pose a new thread for a quick answer i might get flamed for it. And there are times when i asked before i probably should have (had one of those the other day) and felt like an idiot for it. And then there are the times where i was looking for something but maybe didn't even know it, and had someone else ask it and be like, wow that is exactly what i wanted to know. And then there are still the times where i asked a Q and wasn't sure if it was a good question and whether or not i'd even get a reply, and had a huge discussion evolve because of it and lots of people glad i did ask.
Obviously, the repeat of the same question over and over can make it harder to find the BEST answers, but sometimes i will search and not find that right thread and then someone points me to it and i am like, that just saved me SO much unnecessary searching, THANK YOU.
The bottom line though is i love this community and, in general, everyone here is amazing and so helpful and giving. I feel lucky to be a part of it and wish i was a better developer and had more to contribute.

Why So Serious?

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Why So Serious?
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@you lol. Perfect time to add that
@OP You could search the Raphael software/Diamond Themes, Applications, and Software/Developement & Hacking which are sections specially made for app posting.
EDITED, sorry if I offended anyone.

Phaze13 said:
Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Funny i was looking for the Dude trying to get a little Time of from XDA and accidentally used the Google XDA search. This was the only result.
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825531964825142534%3Acqr2sjirilw&q=the+big+lebowski&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I didn't know that until i accidentally searched for it.
Well for those in the Dark here's the Short Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtgfjkB6Pg
Please delete me when the fun's gotten out of it, but at least XDA should get back two search results from now on, on The Big Lebowksi
In two weeks:
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...esult&cd=1&q=Noonski+the+big+lebowski&spell=1
Should give you at least one result on finding out my true identity.
A few posts deleted, that is already more then any of us would have wanted on a Forum meant to harbour information.
Don't Flame a man trying to show you the light of XDA, it attracts to much attention of Moderators even when they are trying not to.

If you go to my 4shared, you can find pretty much any application that will do whatever you want on your WinMo based phone.