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what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
sepig said:
what is Kaiser rom? is it Kaiser Operating System? what benefit will i receive if i change or upgrade my original AT&T kaiser Rom. thank you. once again. please don't be offended, i am a newbie, i have already tried find threads for explaining this basic thing, but i unable to find it, please some expert take 1 minute or so explain to me, thanky you
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i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Read this first.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
And then read the site for a month or so. "What is ROM"? Really???????
sepig said:
i just read some threads , someone said that HTC rom is better than my ATT rom, where can i download this HTC Rom? go to HTC website, they offer on it's official website ? how to upload HTC to my ATT kaiser phone ? thank you.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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Seems to me like you're speed reading the WIKI in the same way people read a cheap book..... don't start at the beginning, read every other chapter then (and I'm waiting for this one) complain that the book was crap because you missed something.
20 minutes after your first post asking what a rom is you're suddenly 'expert' enough to discern that the HTC ROM is better than your ATT one. Well yes - you're probably right but how long will it be before you discover that your radio might not work after your upgrade (another 5 minutes) or that you can screw up without hardSPL (sorry missed that one 'cos it was in chapter 2 and I only read odd numbered chapters on Tuesdays).
Go away and come back when you've learned how to read.
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LOL! Very true though.
Sepig. People are going to bash you if you don't spend a lot of time reading the wiki and forums before you post questions because you can seriously screw up your device if you don't. From your post, it will be a while before you can upgrade your phone.
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
ericc191 said:
Just go here and install this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679
Once you've install that CORRECTLY, go here for the official kaiser rom:
http://www.zshare.net/download/45579378780722/
That only took me 2 minutes to do. Wiki is your friend. Remember that!
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Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
ach2 said:
Have you considered that I might actually be a 7th grader???
Anyway, a bit harsh maybe - but if people fall over backwards to help others who are too lazy or impatient to help themselves then we'll be as inundated with useless posts as the Hermes forums.
And fyi, I don't normally flame noobs if they've done a bit or real work themselves - instead I normally try to help.
Also fyi, I was mildly flamed as a noob - ONCE only. I went away with my tail between my legs and learned to read - once I could read I learned to write.
In a bizarre way, by flaming noobs you do help - 1. because you bump their post. 2. someone always comes along to help. 3. To get the help they have to read through the scorn at their (sometimes) dumb question or attitude so maybe they research better next time.
Besides the above I'd had a beer and a ****ty day
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And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
shawndh said:
And the hard work from these cookers is free anyway (donations that is) so just do your home work first before posting. Is that too much to ask - an intelligent question?
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Flaming is a bit pointless if done to someone who, as was obviously the case here, comes with a complete blank and probably doesn't even know what a wiki is and what/where to look first.
On the other hand, it's a perfect opportunity to throw one's wisecracks at the noob and entertain the forum. A bit too easy though, don't you think?
There is a difference between helping or spoiling
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yes, true... as newbie we just don't know where to start... BUT don't just read for few lines... then open a new thread to ask question... after few minutes more, find more answer and maybe more question... open another new thread...
allright, everybody is a newbie... but being a smart noobie and {whatever} noobie is different thing... try being smart...
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Totally agree! This forum is not started just a few days ago. There are plenty of info. to solve most problems. Encourage people being lazy is actually not good for them. No need to scold them but just point them to the right place to read. If they don't. Just ignore them. I've been ignored before, but now I am able to cook my own Kaiser ROM.
Spoiling people is not helping.
In fact I would propose there is a black out period like 24hrs to 48hrs that a newbie cannot start any new thread. They may post to ask question but not starting new thread as soon as they register the forum.
Sad but true.
It seems that people are not into reading these days. Such a shame, cause reading makes you intelligent ! *ping*
No but seriously, read the forum starting with the Wiki. After that please remind yourself that you are NOT an IT-geek which makes the whole process probably even more dangerous. After the coscideration that your computerskills utterly -suck- , click cross in the right-upper-corner and have a nice day.
with love!
I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
No ill feelings to the original poster, as we were all there one day,
but to see it as a thread headline made me laugh!!! Actually made my day!
No worries, ROM Flashing is easy as hell!!
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I see this as a website to go to to find answers.
Similarly to how I would go to Dell.com (or whatever) if I wanted to find a PC to buy to play my latest game I bought.
I don't go reading through the technical manual on how a CPU or GPU works so that I know which one to buy. I look to the people who already have the knowledge to answer the questions I have.
Most of the regular posters on here (I'm guessing) already know a lot about flashing PDAs etc... especially the first guy who flamed the OP. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't take part in the forum. Yes, there are people who are trying to find an easy way to learn everything that you know and I agree that they should do their research etc... but this guy was abviously wanting a few pointers and got blasted for it. Take it as a compliment that he feels confident in this forum to be able to prvide him with the bit of knowledge he requires to do a flash and then be done. He has never done one before and will never do one again so why does he have to spend weeks reading material that potentially could give him answers that you could write in a line or so?
Please, don't flame the noobs.
I find that more often than not they don't come back.
Look how many times he has replied to this thread since the first guy flamed him... none.
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Nobody get paid in this forum. You pay Dell for their machine so you may and should entitle some service. If you get some free service AND some free spanking in this forum, that is life, no flesh does not come with blood. Even experienced one may get spanked once a while by asking non-sense question. No need to be too thin-skin.
You may also be the lucky ones who has plenty of money and being pampered and like the noobs who like to ask million dollar question like "Which is the best ROM in this forum?" or "How do I flash my ROM step_by_step with guaranteed no risk?" or "Where do I get free SIM unlock service?" and expect an answer right away.
Many people paid to have their machine unlocked. Getting knowledgeable advice from someone is a service and entitled to get compensation for. Talk to a lawyer for advice, you will fully appreciate all the good folks in this forum and they are the one needed to be pampered and not the noobs.
One will learn and learn by reading this forum. It is more like drugs to me now.
He hasn't replied, that is good, that means he is doing reading and reading and reading..... If he is not, why he want to risk his $600 machine and ended up blaming everyone in this forum for not helping him or prevent him from doing that.
I don't think he was flamed by the #2 or #3 or # .... He is being educated! He is benefiting by this experience! The machine that's saved maybe his!
Please note there is a note in this forum which says:
Reading this Forum (Wiki) may be hazardous to your health!
Hey, I think it may also be hazardous to your family life, your love life, and/or your current job! Not just your machine!
Lets get a bit real here...
The name of this site is XDA-Developers. There is a bit of a clue in the title as to a certain amount of pre-knowledge. This guy asked what a ROM is - he could have got his answer from dictionary.com but instead decided to go to a group of people who are (or were) efectively researching on the forefront of the XDA pda's.
Most noobs (me included) have a lot of experience of computers but at first they don't have any idea of how to translate this into WM5 or WM6. But they learn quick because they already have the pre-knowledge to enter a developers site. This question was nothing like that and there is a greater than 90% chance that we'll be fending off the 'what is the best rom', 'how do I insert the stylus', 'how do you spell brick' type of questions unless he is discouraged from proceeding without some serious reading.
I know there are nice and nasty ways to tell someone what to do, but my experience of these forums is that people who don't read will not read the 'help granny cross the road' style of advice - but they do tend to get the point when flamed a bit (and it could have been worse).
Anyway, I hope he's gone away - keeps reading and then comes back a bit better prepared. And lets face it - anyone can flash a Rom, but not everyone can recover from a bad flash - and bad flashes is what we want to prevent at any cost.
farhanali_ said:
Thats very positive attitude, instead of bashing ppl like bunch of 7th graders you actually made an effort to provide exactly what the newbie was looking for... VERY NICE, I LIKEE
I totally understand that this is a very basic question but instead of loading your guns you should just point the person in the right direction like ericc191 here. Just think of yourself when you got your 1st pda phone ever...
Thats just my 2 cents..
cheers
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Actually, I bricked my first PDA phone on the second day... That's when I found this forum However I managed to unbrick it. Somehow. Can't remember the how.
I did not see this anywhere in the Kaiser/Tilt section... would it be possible or a good idea to have a poll of the upgrades done to the Kaiser or Tilt?
jpofsc said:
I did not see this anywhere in the Kaiser/Tilt section... would it be possible or a good idea to have a poll of the upgrades done to the Kaiser or Tilt?
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It's already done...click this
I was thinking of an actual poll, probably on that site.. showing the number of people who have used which mod or tweak or theme... it would kind of give people an idea of the most popular stuff, etc... this could probably be used for accessories too... it may be a shortcut for people wanting to know the 'best' ...
The last poll we've had was pre-WM6.1. It almost seems like we need a new one. Instead of asking for one, why not start one? The quickest way to get something done is to do it yourself.
Just do it. -- Bo Jackson (c) Nike
Im forum illiterate... plus I dont know all the possible stuff that could be added to poll... Im still waiting for my Tilt to arrive...
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Im forum illiterate... plus I dont know all the possible stuff that could be added to poll... Im still waiting for my Tilt to arrive...
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You should be shadowing the threads and reading as much as you can.
You shouldn't have anything to post for about 3 months after getting your device. 95% of all issues have been explained or answered here, you just have to look for your answer.
See ya in July just kidding
Welcome to the forum but seriously search for for answers ... you'll learn alot faster that way.
Yeah, Im kind of making my list now of things I want to do... just trying to contribute somehow... right now, I bring ignorance...
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Yeah, Im kind of making my list now of things I want to do... just trying to contribute somehow... right now, I bring ignorance...
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We all have that at first...don't let our flamethrowers (like me) keep you from contributing. Just try to read and research things before starting up a new thread (see video in my sig ) and check for answers to your questions before posting them. As long as you try, nobody can fault you.
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
I recommend you read the sticky at the top of this forum. Then do a search on WM 6.1 roms, there are lots. Then when you understand the process you then flash away. See the links in my sig...they will help get you started as well.
Each person likes different things in ROMS, so it is very subjective. You should have done some research before posting...
Good luck.
ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I used to love this forum. I now have the hardest time just peeking in.
I have read the multi page thread about what to do about the redundant threads and none of the suggestions have been implemented (except the heavy hammer by Kyphur). alas, with the fact that our phones are now so common, we have more people than ever trying to flash. I miss the days when the XDA was one of only a few devices that people used and you cuold only find 50-60 users online at any given time.
Andrewsitu, you are one of countless junior members who want to start flashing but can't take a few moments to look around. In some ways I can't blame you, since there are SOOO many threads, many pointless and redundant, it can be daunting. But it is a chicken and the egg dilema.
Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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I recommend you return to the 2nd grade where they teach you how to read and comprehend.
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Maybe we need a senior member forum only so that we can actually be productive. This is nuts. I really feel like checking out . . .
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I feel exactly the same way.
But what would I do if I didn't have the government and everybody else making decisions for me? Oh my god where am I, what's my name, who are you guys, and where are my pants? Can somebody spare a Xanax, I think I'm having a nervous breakdown.
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I feel exactly the same way.
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Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.
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ooo.....this thread could get interesting
*grabs popcorn, waits for the jarek91 patented razing technique*
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I read these threads strictly for the entertainment value.
-McMex
crispyj said:
Ditto here. It did help us alot during the Beta testing.
I don't think you could just limit it to Senior Member status though as some people could just post useless info to get their post count up in order to make SM status.
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Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100. Puts more work on the the mods in some ways, but lessens it in others (fewer closed threads). I'd also have any new thread from anyone with less than 50 posts approved for non-redundancy by the mods.
I just really miss this place and I just seem to get more and more frustrated everytime I log in. And in some ways I can't blame the NooBs, because if aI saw all these threads I'd be spinning and wanting to just take the easy way out. It would be nice to have a senior member lounge or something . . .
noob
as someone who has read just about every post on here for kaiser I can say it is very daunting. but seriously he could at least have read the wiki...maybe we need a new main thread called..im a newb with a stupid question and im too lazy to read! I really appreciate all the help I've gotten here and I even cook my own roms now...read..read..read!!!
andrewsitu said:
hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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hi,guys,
i would like to have a kaiser wm6.1 rom,
which rom u recommand?
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Personally, I'd recommend looking through the "Kaiser Upgrading" forum for all ROM releases with "WM6.1" in the title. Then look at the list the Chef's provided of what's in the ROM and think "Do I use all those things?", then look again and think "Have I got installation cabs for the others I use that aren't there?". If the answer is "yes" to both, flash it as that's your perfect ROM. If the answer to either is "no", then note what was missing/extra and look at the next ROM. When you're done go to whichever ROM closely fitted your needs and flash it.
Oh, and for the love of (insert deity of your choice) install Hard-SPL first, then a WM6.1 Radio ROM after and don't expect your hand to be held by others in this forum until you've proven you're willing to learn the basics. Once you've proven you're willing to try, you'll be amazed how friendly and helpful everyone is.
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Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
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the scary thing is......he was actually being nice
jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?
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Hahaha, You sound like Dr. Cox in scrubs, or are you the writer ?
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I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.
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I'm just an angry single man in need of my dream woman...a 6' redheaded asian babe that can cook, is into anime and gaming that thinks I'm the sexiest thing alive. But I'm not picky or anything.
Seriously, I'm just a guy with a bit of creativity that likes to make people smile over things they wouldn't usually smile over. Oh...and I do like to vent on occasion.
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Yea, I would love a ginormous sensitive(you know what I mean XD) asian too lol.
Seriously you do sound like Dr. Cox from scrubs, like exactly something he would say to get them motivated, all you hvae to say is newbie and your set .
It's not that hard to give your input. Man, you guys make it seem like suicide. Just answer his question with a couple of words and bam your done. It gets the job done and the OP is satisfied. At the OP, i like Dutty's newest 6.1. I recommend you give it a try.
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Easily handled if the title was bestowed, rather than just automatic. mods could review and either grant or put them in pending status until useful posts actually accounted for the needed 100........
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Not a bad idea - it's been floating around since the Hermes days and probably earlier. BUT... would you like to sift through the 593872 (and rising) members to see which of us seniors actually qualify as useful.
In my 440+ posts some have been helpful, some fun and some flaming but NONE qualify me as a developer (the main reason for this forum). Would I be excluded?
The only real way to sort this out is to let the guys who actually run the site decide what they want, make new rules if necessary and then we live with it.
jarek91 said:
Alright boys and girls, strap in cause here we go...
<bad english>yo...my little pwnie...wtf?!?!!?!111oneoneone</bad english>
Let me see if I can help you, Charburger. It's spelled "you". It's not "u" or "yew" or "eu". And WTF is "recommand"? To command again? Okay...I recommand you to
<Samuel Jackson mode>READ THE MF'ING STICKY, WIKI AND THEN WATCH THE MF'IN LINK IN MY MF'IN SIG IN THE MF'IN QUOTE FROM ALEX. </Samuel Jackson mode>
Once you've done that, you need to post in the right forum. Since we don't have a forum called "I've recently had my brain smashed out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick...so please hold my hand and answer the same questions over and over and please change my diaper while you're at it" you'll just have to use the Kaiser forum. That's "Kaiser", not "Kaiser upgrading etc". Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I don't want to have to start over...that would irritate me and I don't think any of us want that. The upgrading forum is what chefs and packagers use to work on, release, and fix ROMs and cabs and such. Experienced members also use it to provide feedback to these same guys (and girls). Think you got all that? I hope so. Because if I have to address this with you again, I'm gonna get mean.
Now, to actually address your question (because I'm in a good mood today...no...really):
Are you serious?? Do you actually expect to get a usable answer from a question like this? Can you even fathom how many different answers you'll get and how many different reasons justifying those answers?? No, you can't count that high. It's more than fingers and toes. What you are asking for is an opinion so you don't have to think. Well here's my opinion...
You can't have my opinion. It's mine. Go make your own.
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When I first saw this thread, I was wondering if u show up yourself here.
What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
For example: I come to the Polaris upgrading thread, I´m looking for a fast ROM. Actually I use bepe 0.67, but I wanna try some others. So lets have a look...Hmm, "Vega R3", "Diamond R4", "PhamQuang"..you see, lots of ROMs.
BUT: I want to know which language it is (I think its something like WWE...what is WWE?? just a joke, I know what it means..), is radio included (I normally expect that..), what have I to watch out for when flashing it & how can I flash it (this is often included, but again, very slangy explained) etc etc etc !
In other words: Many infos are provided. But questions and answers from the rest od the thread could be added to the first/second/third post so people dont have to search for hours (yes, i tried for hours !!!!)
What to do ??
There should be some sort of template for everyone posting a new tool, ROM etc.
Must-haves of a post:
** What is it? What can I do with it? What do I need??
** What language is it
** changelog (in 90% cases included)
** links for good explanations (what is... a ROM, radio, hard-spl, WWE etc)
!!!!! Please, just make one standard thread for such infos; one single, long post, explaining "xda-developers"-language
** Links to other websites/downloads that are useful
Such questions should be summarized for each device and PLEASE write in plain english language, for everybody around the world !
And please, dont post links to threads which arent up to date or are not as userfriendly as they should be!
Another suggestion: Give me the infos I HAVE to know at ONE GLANCE. As I said, language, radio included, installation etc..
I know, what you are thinking right now: We already did this and much more than that. BUT, once again, this is just too less for n00bs like me.
And imagine, 50% less people you have to tell to use the search because you just make a understandable download-post/site with all necessary information...wouldn´t that be nice ???
regards,
Martin,
Austria (NOT Australia..)
[EDIT] You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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You might say "there is a wiki"...its just not useful, thats the problem.
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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The wiki is the place to go if you have questions. Are you saying you expect all the great cookers here to further spend more personal time to give you detailed step-by-step instructions on what to do because you feel searching is too much of a hassle for you? There are plenty of "how-to" guides floating around. Each cooker may give instructions, but I don't think it's their job to educate you how on how to do it, if you don't know how, maybe you shouldn't do it. It really doesn't make much sense to have instructions included in EVERY single ROM thread.
When your mechanic changes the oil in your car, is he supposed to teach you how to drive too?
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great responce
Im saying what you dont want me to say m.schmidler, use search...
God there are written SO FRICKEN many tutorials, we have been gathering links, in the threads in the wiki.
Dont we spend enough time cooking, developing etc? Should we start a school also? Who is gonna pay the teachers? you?
No, im not gonna spend more time making it easy on you, there are so much info, so much threads to help new guys (noobs) that im damn amazed that you cant figure it out.
If you cant figure out how to find stuff on XDA, then you really should sit down and think just for a sec.
Try HTC support, or MS support. Try see how helpfull they are, how they explain every thing you think you need to know.
Get a grip on reality man..either that or you and the rest of they guys demanding the things you do can start paying us by the hours we spend on making your device better.
And hey, yea, I know, my roms, and other cooks roms has bugs, flaws, this and that missing wich you deperatly need or w/e. But you know what, here is an idea:
Go back to using stock roms (here is a little help, just to show that I CAN be nice too:
Stock ROM=A operating system provided with the phone you have, in this case windows mobile, and it is not modded, altered or changed in any way. But hey, maybe that was to hard to understand too??)
Im sure the forum could be better, but making posts like that..
let me sum this up in a few words:
Respect the time we use on this, if not you will see that many of the beloved developers here just leave..and btw...thats happening all over the forum because of **** like this
OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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OK. we will change ALL...we will make it like in other forums...a "How 2 post" so that EVERY post looks the same...so that noob can follow...
BUT YOU check ALL NEW post if they are posted the right way.
hahahahahahaahaha
NO man. IF you cannnot follow the instructions in the threads...DO NOT FLASH!!!
I spent 1 year ONLY READING before flashing my first rom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO don´t come here with 5 posts and tell us how to do our job
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LOL! How about he gets promoted to a Mod, then he can go through and change them all just the way he wants by his specs !
Hey Guys, pls...
Hey Guys,
Im new too and I know about the probs in the forum, but the seniors and mods. are right, when they say that we, the users, should use the search an read the wiki.
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
But with the manuals and the posts of the other guys it makes me happy!!!
This is a great forum!!
Stay tuned!!
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What I mean is a general problem of this forum: There loads of good tools, ROMs, tweaks etc but most of you don´t spend enough time to explain what is what.
If you provide such a huge mass of information like in this forum its just impossible for new users to sort out whats good, whats bad, whats new, what can I use.....And DO NOT tell me to use the search-function
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You know, this IS a developers forum. There is kind of the understanding that when you see certain keywords like ROM, .NET, C++, winlibs, MSDQ, SQL, etc...that you aleady know what it is and do not need explaining.
If every developer explained everything their releases could do, down to the finest detail, they wouldnt have any time to develop, they would just be posting all day long. I don't think anything more than one or two lines (which is the case now), is needed for a good explanation.
This forum is perfect for my needs, and since it IS a developer's forum, you cannot expect it to be setup like a regular forum for non-techies. I mean, you don't see any soccer moms on here...no offense to the small minority of soccer moms who develop, lol
::: Connor
wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said
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. Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW:
I`ve been reading 6 months before flashing bepe 0.67.
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I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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wow, I didn´t expect such enormous response...but I think you got me wrong. I DO appreciate the hard work all the people here do, really. But what I suggested was just a little bit of time that could change a lot. As I said, there is plenty of info, or as TheChampJT said . Yes, floating around, but there should be some kind of link list for each device...Just let me think, how much work is this ?? 1 or 2 hours, maybe? And with that 1 or 2 hours you can help hundreds of users who would spend each 2 or 3 hours searching.
I really understand your argumentation and I will spend more time on reading and just doing some trial-and-error experiences.
But please, don´t just post such super-sarcastic responses, that won´t change anything.
I´d really do the work I suggested - but I am, as you noticed, just a beginner in flashing and modding. But maybe you guys start thinking social again and work together for a big community.
regards,
Martin
BTW: I managed to flash that ROM in 2 days..So I´m definitely not a n00b ?? lol
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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He just dont get it....
Anyways, telling us that you flashed the rom after 2 days, just show us how nOOb you are.
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I agree I have been around since - alot of years - I have just flashed for the first time. (On that note I hope you donated some money to Bepe) You flash quickly if a) you are stupid B) You have loads of money or C) you are a happy go lucky chappy.......
good luck son, piss some more people off! The seniors and moderators work very hard and for you to come in this quickly........ Wouldn't it be more sensible to read, read, help, help, help, understand, understand, understand, understand, and then do the whole lot again. and then offer some advice. People listen to people that are intelligent and not to quick off the mark.
This is a complicated forum with a hell of alot of info. I want to offer my congratualtions to the Mods here and say THANK-YOU.......
Will
OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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It's unbelievable how incredibly arrogant some people are. You start this thread demanding to be spoon fed the information, and then say that people are offending you. YOU are the offensive one my friend. NOBODY HERE OWES YOU ANYTHING. Hire a tutor.
and BTW I don't think anyone here cares whether you search or flash or not, just don't come here telling everyone how they should spend more time making your life easier.
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hey man, relax, i got the point. I already said, i recognized it was just a stupid post and u are right. BUT there are two ways telling me that and some replies are really a bit offending.
I hope you accept this "mistake", but it´s just a normal reaction when coming to a forum..other newbies are thinking nearly the same.
Nevertheless, when I post into other threads here please don´t think of me as some kind of moron who just annoys people the whole day
Ok. I think we should let everyone get on with what they do best. Let Noobs search and read and learn (which he has already accepted) and let the experts cook their ROMs and let the users flash them to their devices
He's got the point of no spoon feeding from anyone in here coz everyone who's a developer today was a Noob yesterday and learnt everything from the forum pages
I would love to close this thread to avoid any further forest fires, but since papamopps has a post in it, I'll leave it to the best of his judgement
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OMFG, this goes way too far, you guys are really, really offending. Ok, I´ll give in, I´ll use the search, I´ll read read read and won´t flash a new rom again after 2 days...Happy?
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
and next time after reading and not flashing.....start thinking first before you psot such a thread in 2 different subforums
regards
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GREAT you start LEARNING!!! welcome to xda-DEVELOPERS .com haha
regards
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Thank you, kind sir.
Yet I found the idea as quite sound and thoughtful, IMHO. If only it didn't sound as too "i need to be spoonfed" and being bashed right away. LoL
Standard templates/formats are increasingly become a necessity nowadays. In my work, they are the hero of the days. Tons of thousands of reports and informations are being streamlined in a common acknowledged formats. It saves time for BOTH information originators and users/readers. Imagine what they could do to this wonderful forum, it will save time, energy and space for not wasting them in basic queries and responses. Discussion could be more fruitful since it will only talk about advanced and detailed items since all basics are already covered in page 1 in standard form.
Again, if only the idea given some thoughts over
I don't know, but I can see pattern here that every single noob are being treated the same - the harsh way. And some people are also enjoying picking on them. I actually agree to some extent, since it also quite amusing sometimes, but please be more humane. I understand fully that sometimes they (noobs - including me) are so ignorant and lazy and almost always giving stupid and silly ideas. But it's not always 100% like that.
If you want to despise one's thinking, please despise the thinking, not the person. Just because he/she a noob, all his/her ideas are equally stupid/silly? It's an Argumentatum Ad Hominem, and it's not fair.
Noobs is only by definition that the person is new to THIS forum, the WM and HTC thingies forum. But it does not necessarily mean that the person is new to Internet Forum, right? You'll never know, but maybe the person you bash is actually a mod/admin in other respectful internet forum. Yea, who knows? So, I wish this forum could be more gentle to people.
Lastly, we know that this is a DEVELOPER forum. But it also never written that no noobs entrance allowed, right? Whoever now devs, chefs, mods and seniors are once noobs too. So anyone, including noobs, are actually a potential member to contribute to this community. It only requires time and well-grooming techniques, not hammering each one of them.
@Herr Martin Schmidler
Not a very bad idea at all, mate. I understand your frustration, since i sometimes felt the same. For me, the built-in search tool is quite (sorry) lame. And google does refine it a bit, but quite lagging since the gatherer bots need some times to cataloguing new items. But please always be respectful also to others, especially the seniors, they have spent so much time and energy building this great community. We cannot expect them to treat us as if we were kids. Guten tag, liebe gruss!
ive been looking over the forums for months now. i see people ask questions. and instead of given anwsers they are slammed because they should of researched first. Why? isnt it easier to just anwser a question than wasting a post saying you should of read first? if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they dont have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible anwser to their questions. the rom threads are getting too long 250+ posts average. and very often going on and off topic. so i guess what i am proposing is sub forums. let "Cooks" apply for a sub forum. not juyst any cook. but if they are making an honest to goodness contribution to the community i think it would help find information a lot easier. yes i know the forums have a search feature. but this it can still be difficult to sift throught the information.
so something like
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > JossKoss
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > Arnyl
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > MedKid
any roms a cook makes could have its own thread. and anything in the subforum would pertain to that particular person. now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation. that way people can post new threads inside the subforums without it getting moved into the thread with thousands of posts.
i dont make the decisions. im just posting something i think would help sort information and make it easier to find. that way if i have a problem with x rom. instead of reading through one thread there is a thread for each problem. then it is easy to see if that problem im having is an issue with other people. and if its been resolved. give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs. so if you agree vote Agree on the poll if you dont vote Disagree on the poll.
My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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Hey bro you wanna drink some natty ice, play some game cube?
on topic... I think it sounds like a pretty solid idea, would help with a lot of the organizational problems.
Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
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My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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well first off if you are cooking roms to release to the public , then yes you should beable to anwser most questions that arise.
and second as i stated dont just give anyone a subforum only the cooks that truly contribute. only the serious cooks that have proven themselfs.
but the kitcens have truly gotten too easy for just anyone to make their own rom. and this would also help identify who the trusted / established cooks that know what they are doing are.
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What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
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give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs
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i also addressed this in my original post
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Yes i saw that but Mods still will have to have some control so therefore more work, as not all chefs are online and able to keep threads clean.
To be honest i like it the way it is.
just my 2p's worth.
There has been numerous threads like this generally for the software section to be split... I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
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Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
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well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
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now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation.
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if its a well known cook and they have been around for a while i think they have kinda earned it. what im saying would be a little extra work for anyone that would be willing to create the sub forums. it would ultimatly keep roms neater.
you could then have a thread for each rom. build . why should someone read through problems of 21198 then they have been fixed in 21500. there are lots of advantages to adopting this procedure. and very few drawbacks. (yes there are some) . if nothing else lets get some of the cooks opinions.
but i thank each of you for your feedback.
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I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
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well i think if we wernt happy with the way it is we wouldnt be here. that doesnt mean there arent things that need improvement this place is constantly growing and its not uncommon for these forums to outgrow the old ways of doing things.
but again i respect your points of view also
It would make more sense for cooks to use a unified thread titling scheme.
For example, the tilt keyboard fix still has a title of [new] or something similar on it when it is years old.
Perhaps a loose standard should be developed so it is easier to find. Note: I spelled out the date so it is obvious to europeans and americans who list them differently. I hate early month dates!!! -----> 4-5-2009 April or May?
[October 15, 2009] - Anryl - WM6.5 25000 - v1
disagree
this is my vote
What are there no mods on duty today ?
Please, not another thread by another noob/ lazy user ? slamming the seniors for telling them to search. Here are the posting rules handed down by our Queen Flar.
1. Search before posting.........this isn't a suggestion or a senior being a jerk or an " unhelpful " post..... IT IS A RULE
2. Please be polite and respect your fellow users.......... the next time a noob gives me a ration of crap about a " wasted post " and " if I can't be helpful then mind my own business " when I instruct him as to the search function and ,as I ALWAYS do, start him in the right direction, I am going to hunt him down and remove his texting thumbs.
4. Post only using a clear subject and message. ........... I swear , if you could type in " help me pleeeeeease " into the search function, it would return over a thousand separate threads . It is this, and the thousands of I tried to search , but it is so haaaaaaard threads, that make searching so hard. Not the lack of information.
I liked it better back in the " old days " when asking a redundant or stupid question or if you were a noob that dared lash out after getting told to search, you would get drawn, quartered, tarred ,feathered and then set on fire. I lurked on this site from Nov until April when I finally joined, because I was terrified to ask a question. And I am fifty times more knowledgeable because of it . If I needed a question answered, I read and search, and search and read and found my answer. Because ALL the answers are here.
The models may change but the questions are all here. It seems now all you have to do is lash out about how unhelpful this place is, or how hard it is to search or how mean all the seniors are for " wasting my time telling me to search, when in the same time they could have just answered my damn question.", and before you know it , you have people falling all over themselves trying to answer this idiot's question. Because we can't have the noobs thinking we are unfriendly.
I have said it before and I will say it again. This is a library , NOT, HTC Tech support. Much as you would not go to the librarian and say give me all you've got on.....................
You ask the librarian where you would begin your search for................ and you go gather the information for yourself. So when a senior tells you to go search and start here, it is because we are following forum rule and noobs should be directed to also. And If that is not satisfactory to them them they should be directed to HTC Tech support because they are of no benefit to this community.
I like the way it was, is and will be. Search read and search some more, it is up to you to find it , not for the rest of us to fall over ourselves making it yet even easier because ...................
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if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they don't have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible answser to their questions.
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..........................i'm just sayin..................................
Okay, I have had my rant and vote, Josh, you can close the thread now
I honestly dont think that is a good idea because it would make it harder for new cooks to get there roms out, if a cook really is as good as you describe (which many are) you will find there roms but yes some cooks do upgrade phones and stop cooking and the sub-topic would then start falling apart and then no one will want to delete it otherwse all of that persons roms will be gone (I guess they could just move the threads actually) But still I think it seems unfair to newer cooks becaue the way it is set up now you can see if another rom starts to gain popularity otherwise everyone would only look at the cooks that have the most experiance.
BTW- I dont know how to cook but it sounds fun and I might want to learn someday if I stop feeling lazy lol so yeah thats one of the reasons I think like this but I guess this could be helpfull in some ways
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well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
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There is no such thing as that! We all do this forum for free! So people do it when they find time! Once time is an issue cooks do vanish no matter how good they are! Just dont argue, read and enjoy the forum!
Let's appreciate the idea he had on his very first post, but I think We need to change the place of this discussion as well. Great buddy no more words no more options on my part, just ask anyone from senior members & they will tell you why they don't agree with this idea. They know the trend on this forum. Good Luck but I think this topic needs to be moved out of ROM upgrading atleast.
I think its lazy. You are trying to make stuff easier on yourself and make more work for the people poviding us with great ROMs, basically for free. I'm not sure if youve ever modified a forum but its no easy task. This isnt tech support. I have very few posts but thats because most of the questions are answered somewhere around here. If you dont have time to look, maybe you dont have time to flash. The rules are the rules abie by them.
Bottom line, dont make more work for the cooks, who spend hours and hours cooking for free just because you dont want to search.
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Look at my SIG, especially the WHY ..
If you don't get the spirit, go somewhere else where people are willing to spoonfeed you. This is a developer site, not user site.
I'm not a developer, so what I can contribute is only bug reporting and testing .. and if you're not, have some respect to them, help them by doing more research. 99% of what you're looking for is there.
Chefs that would like to have their own subforum can just have another forum with a link on his topic.
This is exactly what Phoenix Dev Team does...
XDA-Devs board is a like friendly jungle. Just take your time to learn how to navigate through it, this is not that hard.
Flashing and upgrading regularly ROMs and softwares means you do have time for this. So one shall learn to have time to search. Anyway, by reading throught posts, one gets a much better control over his phone as you have more knowledge about this or that, not only a superficial approach, which will undeniably lead to a new thread: I don't get it, it's broken or similar .
Only my 2ct-philosophy...